AT LAST, YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF CAPTAIN AMERICA - Page 2

Yeah, that's exactly how I put it.

If all else fails, Johnston & Co have nailed the period production design.  Those opening shots alone were gorgeously presented.

Sure, no one shot here looks particularly "new", but the set pieces themselves look incredibly well-executed.  There's a certain vibe that I'm getting from them - such as the simplest shot of the Hydra soldiers pursuing Rogers on their motorcycles -- that has a distinctly Rocketeer-esque feel, and that's exactly the Johnston I was hoping for with this movie.

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Thanks, Judd! Updating now.  I will still seethe we had to watch it first on grainy Entertainment Tonight footage.

 

 

 

Sorry I didn't submit as a scoop!  My bad.

This is the only Summer buster of them old blocks that's getting my inner fanboy all excited...

Gotta admit, while I'm not "outraged" by Cap using a gun, I do think that it makes him less distinctive (rather like the cheesy Batman that briefly populated DC's "First Wave"): soldiers and cops use guns, heroes use their magical other-ness. Not a big deal, though, in the context of them getting so much else right.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer 

I can't believe the bitching about skinny Cap. Seriously. Some people here just come off as joyless scolds. That trailer is gonna put butts in seats.

I'm a Captain America fan, and a fan of Chris Evans, but even if I'd never seen Evans in my life, those shots would look bizarre. 

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Originally Posted by Jeb 

Gotta admit, while I'm not "outraged" by Cap using a gun, I do think that it makes him less distinctive (rather like the cheesy Batman that briefly populated DC's "First Wave"): soldiers and cops use guns, heroes use their magical other-ness. Not a big deal, though, in the context of them getting so much else right.

What's Cap supposed to use, man? Harsh language?

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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny 

I'm a Captain America fan, and a fan of Chris Evans, but even if I'd never seen Evans in my life, those shots would look bizarre. 

We'll just have to agree to disagree then, because I think they look fine.
 

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

I liked it, but skinny Evans looks off.  Like his head is way too big for that body or something.

I've seen dudes like that. Course, I work with a lot of software engineers.

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Originally Posted by Fafhrd 

My only nitpick with wimpy Steve is I think they should've done something with the pitch of his voice.  Short guys tend to have slightly higher voices, and it's a little weird hearing Chris Evans's regular voice coming out of a tiny little guy like that.

 

Agreed. My only sticking point actually. And a small one.

EDIT: Wow. Looks great in HD.

The skinny Cap shots are well done. If you really look at them you can tell they're effects, but I don't think you would know if you weren't looking for it.

And I don't get all the bitching about Thor. Both this and Cap look pretty great to me. I have concerns about Thor, but I have concerns about Captain America as well, just like I do for every huge summer blockbuster. Thor has more inherently (to me) cool shit, which some people seem to be finding too "out there", but that's a matter of taste, surely?

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Originally Posted by The Prankster 

And I don't get all the bitching about Thor. Both this and Cap look pretty great to me. I have concerns about Thor, but I have concerns about Captain America as well, just like I do for every huge summer blockbuster. Thor has more inherently (to me) cool shit, which some people seem to be finding too "out there", but that's a matter of taste, surely?

Thor looks fine, but it doesn't look "out there" enough. Too much powerless desert flannel stuff.

Cap looks better.

I'll see both.
 

Cap used a gun in WWII. He is a soldier after all. I'm sure this aspect will be played down, and then dropped all together in the present day setting of the Avengers movie.

Captain America using a gun isn't a big deal. It's not like he's Batman. He's in the middle of WW2, so of course someone would give him a gun and he'd be stupid not to use it.

When he's facing superhuman threats in the Avengers, they'll probably just ditch it.

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Thor looks fine, but it doesn't look "out there" enough. Too much powerless desert flannel stuff.

Cap looks better.

I'll see both.
 

 

As with the Cap trailer, I think they're playing down the comic book stuff, but only in the marketing. Someone jokingly mentioned that the Thor trailer seemed geared towards pulling in a female audience, but I actually think that's dead on. But there's still actual wild comic booky shit in the Thor trailer, which is more than I can say for Cap. I was worried about Thor spending too much time depowered in the desert or whatever, but I do realize that there are budget issues. As long as Act One and Act Three have Thor in his hammer-flingin' glory and we get a fair amount of stuff in Valhalla (which, from what I understand, is the case) then I'm cool.

Is Cap facing Red Skull on a zeppelin? Please let him face Red Skull on a zeppelin. Pretty please? 

And as good as Dugan is ultimately going to be, I can't help but feel they missed out on casting the obvious choice...

I don't think you can say they're playing down the comic book stuff in Captain America at this point. The first trailer explained the origin of the character, which is a good move. If the next trailer (I have a feeling they'll attach a second one to Thor or some other movie between now and July) doesn't play up the Cap vs. the Red Skull and his cosmic cube, then I think you can say they're downplaying the more 'fantastic' elements.

I'm picturing Jon Krasinski's melon on the pre-serum Rogers and keep giggling and giggling, which is probably mean. Looks like at the very least a heckuva fun summer flick, which is all I really hope for from these properties.

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Originally Posted by wadew1 

Captain America using a gun isn't a big deal. It's not like he's Batman. He's in the middle of WW2, so of course someone would give him a gun and he'd be stupid not to use it.

When he's facing superhuman threats in the Avengers, they'll probably just ditch it.

Cap busts through the door & thinks, "Ok, there are 100 Nazis in front of me.. I could throw my shield, hit maybe 2-3 at a time & pray that it ricochets right back so I don't have to pick it up or I can...uh... ah, fuck it, they're NAZIS."

I'm not some authority on the subject, but wasn't Cap popping Nazi fools left and right in his WW2 adventures? 

Well, Captain America is a soldier, and soldiers use guns.  It was a war.

Now, modern day Captain America doesn't use a gun; he's not a soldier, he's a superhero.

In WWII, it makes sense to use the gun, especially early, getting-used-to-being-the-badass Cap.

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Originally Posted by Andres 

I also have less faith in the "powerless desert flannel stuff" in Thor. But it's the lacking of a good narrative in the Thor trailer that seems flat. With Cap is all there, weak guy joins some weird experiment to kick ass the odd Nazi and that guy with a red face. With Thor you have a blonde depowered dude treated like an outcast . Portman and some other chick make jokes on him, hilarious. Armored guys is sent to kick ass and that's all. It's a mess.

A mess? What's not clear? Thor's a god, he gets cast out of Valhalla (probably due to Loki's machinations) and has to get his mojo back with Natalie Portman's help. It comes through pretty clearly as far as I'm concerned.

I think he means "mess" as in "awful", rather than "not understanable".

Just popping in to say that this looks really awesome. I don't really know the first thing about Captain America, but the narrative was clearly laid out, the characters look compelling (in a cheesy, WWII-style way), and the action looks pretty exciting. Plus Tommy Lee Jones and Hugo Weaving (granted, Weaving can play villains in his sleep, but still, what fun!) I'll definitely be checking this out.

And the fact that this was directed by Joe "The Rocketeer" Johnston doesn't hurt. I was a big "Rocketeer" fan back in the day (not sure if I should be ashamed of that or not!).

Coming from someone who thinks Thor DOES look good, THIS looks amazing. I don't think skinny Evans looks that odd, and its only the shirtless scenes that look odd. When he has a shirt on, it doesn't look that strange, at least, thats MY opinion. My only nit-pick is.....not enough Red Skull dammit! And once you see the muscle'y Rogers......the music that plays from that point till the end of the trailer.....jesus, that music WORKS. Anyone know if that's from something else? Or can I hope that's a hint of the movie music (which I know is rare....but still I have hope).

But this looks fantastic. And Evans looks THE SHIT.

Loved the just oh so brief shot of Weaving PULLING HIS FACE OFF. I'm looking forward to the reactions of the non-initiated members of the audience going 'What the hell?' and hopefully being mildly freaked out. I always love Evans, he's great and underrated so me enjoying him here, as both pre and post-serum versions is expected, but I'm really digging what little we got of Tucci and especially Jones. Hell, I didn't even know he was in this until recently. His 'escort Adolf Hitler to the gates of hell line' is just so...well, it's something I can hear Tommy Lee Jones saying on a regular basis.

Skinny Steve looks great. Of all the effects in films, especially Avatar, the defattening of people is the most impressive to me. Do agree about the voice, but it's nothing I can't get over.

Oh, and I don't know why he isn't yet, but Chris Evans is about to become one hell of a star.

Movie looks like so much fun, like early Kirby exploded all over the screen. What is also giving me goosebumps is the clearer connections we're getting between the Marvel movie universe. It's one thing to see Nick Fury and Black Widow pop up in Iron Man, but it's finally dawning on me that Tim Roth's Abomination in The Incredible Hulk is a direct result of the events of Captain America. I hope Cap moves like Roth did in that movie, flipping all over the place and running so fast his feet barely touched the ground.

Was sold on this the moment Johnston was named director and remain sold on it now congrats Marvel you get my opening weekend dollars.

Thor on the other hand.

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Thor on the other hand.

My thoughts exactly.  I just finally watched the full THOR trailer and..... meh.  In all honestly, I'll probably skip it when it comes out, mainly due to not being a huge fan of the character in particular.  But this movie?  Looks like a fucking blast.  Reminds me of the first full trailer I saw for IRON MAN.  

And the voice pre-serum doesn't bother me in the slightest... do you guys really want him to sound like a chipmunk? 

Okay, so am I the only one who immediately started YouTubing fan-edited trailers for "The Avengers" using all the footage we have from the trailers to Cap and Thor and footage from Hulk and the Iron Man movies? Ok then.

A day later, and this footage still kicks ass. But still, I can't shake it... Joe Johnston has made some TERRIBLE movies. A couple in the last decade. I want to have faith, but I dunno - the trailer could be the movie. As in, no surprises. We love the trailer because it hits on some pretty familiar beats. But is the entire movie going to be a bunch of hoary superhero and war movie cliches? That plays like gangbusters in a trailer, but in a full movie, especially with Johnston at the helm? Eek.

Also, the visuals were so exciting (as I hope they are in context) that it made me hope the main theme for the music that plays over them is absolutely gangbusters. None of Marvel's films so far have had really recognizable themes. Nine years later, and we scoffed at Danny Elfman's workmanlike "Spider-Man" cues, and they might be the standouts in a field that included three decent-to-good X-Men themes (but no unifying theme), some terrible guitar-aided stuff (Iron Man), and otherwise forgettable beat-by-beat action scoring (Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four). I think Thor can get away with some generic skull-bashing action music, but a Captain America theme needs to be ICONIC.

This was great. My favorite part? Dum Dum looking like a total badass witht he rest of the commmandos. LUVED IT!

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Also, the visuals were so exciting (as I hope they are in context) that it made me hope the main theme for the music that plays over them is absolutely gangbusters. None of Marvel's films so far have had really recognizable themes. Nine years later, and we scoffed at Danny Elfman's workmanlike "Spider-Man" cues, and they might be the standouts in a field that included three decent-to-good X-Men themes (but no unifying theme), some terrible guitar-aided stuff (Iron Man), and otherwise forgettable beat-by-beat action scoring (Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four). I think Thor can get away with some generic skull-bashing action music, but a Captain America theme needs to be ICONIC.

The way of the Williams and Elfmans seems to be out of favor these days. It makes me sad. Howard Shore seems one of the only film composers still playing in that sandpit.

Biggest geek disappointment: a normal-headed Arnim Zola. But this looks AMAZING.

Most pics Ive seen of Cap during WWII  he had with him was M-30 "grease gun"

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A day later, and this footage still kicks ass. But still, I can't shake it... Joe Johnston has made some TERRIBLE movies. A couple in the last decade. I want to have faith, but I dunno - the trailer could be the movie. As in, no surprises. We love the trailer because it hits on some pretty familiar beats. But is the entire movie going to be a bunch of hoary superhero and war movie cliches?

Dude, it's a Captain America movie.  Michael Haneke's take on the material might be interesting and all, but not exactly what a studio is going to base the most ambitious popcorn franchise ever attempted around.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Biggest geek disappointment: a normal-headed Arnim Zola. But this looks AMAZING.

Have patience Andrew.
 

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The way of the Williams and Elfmans seems to be out of favor these days. It makes me sad. Howard Shore seems one of the only film composers still playing in that sandpit.

Speaking selfishly, I'm kinda glad. I always found that Williams in particular was distracting in how forced and manipulative his scoring was. Scoring is at its essence about triggering emotions and resonating with people, but I always felt Williams was too overt in declaring how I should feel during a scene. 

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I always found that Williams in particular was distracting in how forced and manipulative his scoring was. Scoring is at its essence about triggering emotions and resonating with people, but I always felt Williams was too overt in declaring how I should feel during a scene. 

 

To each his own, but it seems to me that many of the modern day composers who go the other way (less overt) fail to trigger emotions and resonate with people. Given the choice (which is, I'll admit, a false dichotomy), I'll take overt and manipulative over bland and forgettable any day.

I'm a big proponent of the Basil Poledouris, Jerry Goldsmith, Hans Zimmer school of clanging various bits of metal against each other and seeing if it works. 

Not that I disagree with your point, but always? Even as a kid? I find that hard to believe.

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

Speaking selfishly, I'm kinda glad. I always found that Williams in particular was distracting in how forced and manipulative his scoring was. Scoring is at its essence about triggering emotions and resonating with people, but I always felt Williams was too overt in declaring how I should feel during a scene. 

 

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Not that I disagree with your point, but always? Even as a kid? I find that hard to believe.

 

 

Dude I'm autistic, I might as well have not even had a childhood. 

I had an Uncle who was a massive classical music snob and lots of scores, especially by Horner and Williams, used to infuriate him in how easy they were. Then he'd go and listen to some rare Mahler recording from war-torn Lichtenstein. 

I must've missed a memo.  Now we don't want music to evoke feelings?

I know, I know, matters of degree and taste and so forth.  But there's a time and place for bombastic, and I'm pretty sure it's when Captain America is throwing stuff at a super-powered Hugo Weaving.

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I must've missed a memo.  Now we don't want music to evoke feelings?

 

I know, I know, matters of degree and taste and so forth.  But there's a time and place for bombastic, and I'm pretty sure it's when Captain America is throwing stuff at a super-powered Hugo Weaving.

Totally not what I said. I think Williams sometimes creates emotion all by himself, his scores are often insanely overpowering (to my ear). Emotive music is fantastic (one of my favourite recent scores is Nick Cave's work on The Assassination of Jesse James which is incredibly emotive all on its own) but I feel that Williams was constantly giving it 11. Like every sequence of a John Williams score is telling you exactly how to feel, rather than suggesting motion. 

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

I'm a big proponent of the Basil Poledouris, Jerry Goldsmith, Hans Zimmer school of clanging various bits of metal against each other and seeing if it works. 

Brad Fiedel must've missed the bus to that meeting.

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

Totally not what I said. I think Williams sometimes creates emotion all by himself, his scores are often insanely overpowering (to my ear). Emotive music is fantastic (one of my favourite recent scores is Nick Cave's work on The Assassination of Jesse James which is incredibly emotive all on its own) but I feel that Williams was constantly giving it 11. Like every sequence of a John Williams score is telling you exactly how to feel, rather than suggesting motion. 

No, I get what you're saying.  It's just that the line between "suggesting" and "telling" is not at all fine, and there are times when I think it's okay to just tell (Captain America beating up Nazi Skeletor being one of them).

I don't see subtlety being much of an asset to this movie, is what I'm getting at.
 

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

 

Dude, it's a Captain America movie.  Michael Haneke's take on the material might be interesting and all, but not exactly what a studio is going to base the most ambitious popcorn franchise ever attempted around.

 

God dammit, Schwartz. Guess what I'm going to be thinking of until release day.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I think I was trying to start an argument more than anything else. I was interested in the Michael Giacchino rumour because I love his work when he's in smooth John Barry mode. His scores for Speed Racer and The Incredibles are some of my favourite, evocative, film scores of the last decade. 

But yeah films like this need a big score to really work.

If Silvestri is scoring I'm kinda bummed out because I think the last score he did that I can remember is his work on The Quick and the Dead, which is a lot of fun. 

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His scores for Speed Racer and The Incredibles are some of my favourite, evocative, film scores of the last decade. 
 

Awoo!  Love Giacchino in Barry-mode.  That's when he can best avoid making his work sound like something I'd hear in an episode of LOST.  I mean... I loved his work on Lost, but wasn't too taken with the way his work with Abrams seems to allow that "Lost" sound to seep in.  MI3 and Star Trek being the culprits...

I thought Silvestri's score for Beowulf was pretty fun.  But other than that, it feels like I haven't heard anything ICONIC from him for a while.
 

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Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I think I was trying to start an argument more than anything else.

Well, you're damn sure never gonna provoke me into saying anything negative about Cave's Assassination score, so tough beans.

mcnooj82, Alan Silvestri's score to...G.I. Joe Rise Of Cobra and The A-Team are...Awesome!  Of course he is scoring...Captain America this summer too!  I cannot wait to throw...Captain America's Mighty CD, into my boom box!