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Romeo + Juliet (1996)

post #1 of 26
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Y’know what is great about this movie? The soundtrack! Maybe I’m getting old but the soundtrack still kind of sounds really cool even today. I think more than anything else it’s just because Luhrman knows how to pick his songs, but everything just plays perfectly within the film and kind of transcends its mid-90sness.

 

Y’know what else is great about this movie? The attention to detail! The production on this thing is insane and I’m not just talking about its kinetic style. Everything in this film is utterly stylised from the billboards, to the graffiti on houses, to the skyline of Verona itself. I only noticed when watching on Blu-Ray that all of the billboards and adverts are written in Shakespearan English, it’s a fantastic touch and it really kind of adds verisimilitude to the entire thing.

 

Y’know what doesn’t really work about this? The actors! In my view we’ve got three different acting types in the film. We’ve got one group (represented by Paul Sorvino) who are reciting the dialogue like they’re on stage, giving it full on Shakespearan affectation. We’ve got another group (represented by Harold Perrineau and Diane Venora) who modernise the dialogue, treating the dialogue like its modern parlance. Then you’ve got a final group who are just saying their words without really conveying the dialogue. Claire Danes does this a few times where she essentially rabbits out sentence after sentence without any rhythm whatsoever. As such you have an odd sort of energy to the film where certain actors feel too classical in their delivery and certain actors don’t feel like they’re delivering lines at all.

 

I still kind of love the film though, I think the hyper-kinetic energy serves the first two acts really well and it means that when the film does change gears for its ending the emotions really work. I think the problem is that both DiCaprio and Danes are kind of outmatched by their supporting cast at times. They’re both kind of stiff in their roles (and I say this as someone who loves 90% of everything else both actors have done) and that stiffness is kind of amplified when they’re together. Danes’ scenes with her nanny are nice and naturalistic, whilst DiCaprio is fantastic when playing against the more over-the-top Montague boys and Perrineau’s Mercutio. But when they’re together the energy gets sucked out of the scene.

 

I do think the highlight of the film is Perrineau as Mercutio. Mercutio as written is a counterpoint to Romeo, expressing his wants and desires at will whilst Romeo remains trapped within himself. In the context of 17th Century England they’re essentially just friends. However modern audiences have often taken Mercutio’s affections for Romeo as hints of something else and Perrineau kind of plays up that ambiguity. There’s a sort of petulance to Perrineau’s performance which suggests that he’s actually in love with Romeo, it’s not particularly overt but there’s definitely an undercurrent and it works really well within Luhrman’s vision of the play. 

post #2 of 26

I've never been able to appreciate Shakespeare's poetry (not a poetry-guy in general, really), so while I love the film's look and energy, it mostly leaves me cold.  And yeah, I have a hard time really connecting to Danes' and DiCaprio's performance.  

 

But I love the film's energy and earnest passion.  

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I get that Shakespeare's writing can come across as stuff (especially if it's forced onto you) but I think his works are quite accessible really. They're designed for broad audiences, just a broad audience from the 17th Century, rather than some elite. They're essentially ye olde Days of our Lives. 

post #4 of 26

Oh yeah.  His stories are very accessible.  I'm just too much of a philistine to get past his prose.  It's simply never clicked with me.  When it comes to poetry, I'm lost.  It's probably a huge part of why I'm not that into any music other than movie scores.  Lyrics don't do much for me.  My inability to connect to Shakespeare's work is completely on me.

post #5 of 26

I have to agree 100 percent with Spike. The style, the set production is fabulous. The music is iconic and fitting, yet transcends its 90s-ness. The manic energy that crashes down, the iconography that permeates the film adds depth to what could have been silliness.  The acting is the issue.  Strong performances, like Paul Sorvino or Pete Postelwaithe, are just dragged down by the less performances. Claire Danes is the weakest part of this film for me, which is terrible because she is the other half of the story. I think DiCaprio does a decent job of being the weak, rather thoughtless Romeo.  But Danes...just bad. As I have said in another thread, my students laugh every time she wakes up and chokes her cry when she sees dead Romeo. We had a discussion about why they laugh, should they, and what makes them laugh here, where they didn't laugh while reading the play.

 

 

 

post #6 of 26

That first sob she performs when she realizes that Romeo had died in her arms... I have no doubt that there are people out there who would express grief like that.  You can't judge the way someone grieves.  But when it comes to the way we've been conditioned to read sadness and grief in movies, Danes' outburst was just so awkward and alienating.  I've made fun of it for years.  She sounds more like someone about to throw up than someone who has just lost the love of her teenage life.

post #7 of 26

Exactly the conclusion we came up with.

post #8 of 26

I forgot about the face-palming!  Even Claire Danes knows that she botched that take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr_Q9IRrR4s#t=7m40s

 

Really, the best performance of that R+J scene is in Hot Fuzz.  Will never be topped.  BANG!

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Oh yeah.  His stories are very accessible.  I'm just too much of a philistine to get past his prose.  It's simply never clicked with me.  When it comes to poetry, I'm lost.  It's probably a huge part of why I'm not that into any music other than movie scores.  Lyrics don't do much for me.  My inability to connect to Shakespeare's work is completely on me.

 

You're a smart guy, so this is probably useless advice, but... I've found with Shakespeare that it's really about--to borrow workout speak--pushing through.  When you keep at it, you get into the rhythm of his prose and everything just starts to click.  In a very short amount of time, you find that you're reading "Titus Andronicus" as easily as you read the latest Stephen King novel.

 

As for Romeo + Juliet, I completely agree with Spike's original post.  And, hell, I still listen to the soundtrack.  It has one of my favorite Garbage tracks on it.
 

 

post #10 of 26

It's also still the best use of Radiohead in any film ever.

post #11 of 26
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  It has one of my favorite Garbage tracks on it.

 

 

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who adores #1 Crush. And Clark's right about the use of Radiohead. That shot of Romeo on the beach with Talk Show Host playing is probably the perfect introduction to the character. The one thing about Romeo and Juliet in the film is that they both kind of feel like kids, I think Luhrman had a perfect idea of how teenagers would act and kind of pushed both DiCaprio to a more naturalistic style which I don't think works very well with the dialogue. 

 

post #12 of 26

Great post Spike. The first time I saw this film I didn't really get it, but the second time I liked it a whole lot.

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You're a smart guy, so this is probably useless advice, but... I've found with Shakespeare that it's really about--to borrow workout speak--pushing through.  When you keep at it, you get into the rhythm of his prose and everything just starts to click.  In a very short amount of time, you find that you're reading "Titus Andronicus" as easily as you read the latest Stephen King novel.


What?  It takes hard work?!  Whuuuut? 

 

You're right, of course.  Thing is, I've even had to perform monologues from Shakespeare's plays when I took an acting series in college.  It was a strain on the brain for me to really hook into the emotional truth behind the prose.  I don't think I was able to push through then. 

 

I may try to watch Romeo + Juliet again to see how it works for me this time.  I haven't exposed myself to Shakespeare for a LONG time.

 

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What?  It takes hard work?!  Whuuuut? 

 

You're right, of course.  Thing is, I've even had to perform monologues from Shakespeare's plays when I took an acting series in college.  It was a strain on the brain for me to really hook into the emotional truth behind the prose.  I don't think I was able to push through then. 

 

I may try to watch Romeo + Juliet again to see how it works for me this time.  I haven't exposed myself to Shakespeare for a LONG time.

 

It doesn't need to be hard work though Nooj. What could also do is do what I did.

 

I was once like you. Blind, hapless. Stumbling through the culture like a drunken wombat. Then I was seduced by a tall, shapely redhead who loves and knows Shakespeare and forced me to go to a production of Richard III. Turns out if it's performed right it's a shitload of fun.

 

Now, as Spike says, in this film there's a variation in tone which stops it from being greatness and might still be a hurdle to you really digging it, but I know for a fact that it's possible to go from being nonplussed about it to enjoying it.

post #15 of 26

This movie loses all impact on a small screen. The bigger and louder, the better.

 

I can't stand Perrineau's mumbling-- he trashes some of the best text in the play. Danes is at least articulate, but she's at her best when she doesn't have to speak. I've always thought she would have been a great silent-era star. Postlethwaite is, of course, outstanding, and I love that he keeps the meter while speaking in an American accent.

 

The notion that Romeo initially fixates on Juliet because he's stoned out of his gourd is a curiously good fit.

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It doesn't need to be hard work though Nooj. What could also do is do what I did.

 

Give me a tall, shapely redhead... and I'll believe anything you say.
 

 

post #17 of 26

I sorta go the opposite way on this film. For me, Shakespeares words and stories are gripping enough that I don't need Luhrman giving me the uber-kitsch, ultra-tacky technicoloured vomit version to keep me interested in 'all dum big werds'. If anything I find the entire exercise a complete turn off and think it does a terrible disservice to what is one of the greatest stories told in western history.

 

But then I'm kinda stuffy and traditional when it comes to Shakespeare. Ya just don't need to mess with perfection in my book.

 

That's just me tho, I get why so many people dig many of the updated takes on his works.

post #18 of 26

No, it's a fair point RD. I like the film but it doesn't hold a candle to the live (outdoors) production of Richard III I saw. That blew me away.

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No, it's a fair point RD. I like the film but it doesn't hold a candle to the live (outdoors) production of Richard III I saw. That blew me away.



That's the thing, give me a traditional version of Ole Bills stuff with an exemplary cast to make the story come alive and that's as good as it gets to me. Watching very very good actors with Shakespeares prose in their mouths is quite simply one of those things that makes life worth living as far as I'm concerned - why would I want anyone distracting from that with an explosion of ADHD music video stylings? It strikes me as "Shakespeare for people who don't like Shakepseare".

post #20 of 26

I love the ultra-tacky, technicolor vomit version, because it fits with the heightened teenage angst of the story.  As mentioned, the Montague boys being doped up while crashing the Capulet ball is a great fit.  But it's not hard to see how such an OTT take would not be for everyone; I just love the performances (particularly Perrineau, who is the furthest thing from subtle, but infuses some of the most impenetrable text with energy and personality, and Leguizamo's Tybalt).

 

Nooj, if you're willing to try some more traditional Shakespeare, Branaugh's Henry V is solid and Polanski's Macbeth is pretty great.

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Nooj, if you're willing to try some more traditional Shakespeare, Branaugh's Henry V is solid and Polanski's Macbeth is pretty great.



Both great suggestions, Mel Gibsons Hamlet and Brannaghs Much Ado About Nothing are also very accessible and wildly entertaining. It's really worth putting the effort in with nooj - the rewards are infinite. It's truly a lifelong love affair for me and one that becomes more rewarding the older I get.

post #22 of 26

I have to agree with Schwartz that I like the ultra neon Baz Luhrman version, but there is nothing wrong with Zeffirelli's version from the 60s. To convince non-lovers of the greatest wordsmith in the English language, I tend to show comedies, like the aforementioned Much Ado About Nothing, Burton and Taylor in Taming of the Shrew, Kline's Midsummer Night's Dream or Bonham-Carter's Twelfth Night.  

 

Netflix has a ton of Shakespeare to watch. I was watching McKellen in Richard III a couple weeks ago and it was great.  Not so much Patrick Stewart's Macbeth set in the same time period.

post #23 of 26

I still think Polanskis cinematic Macbeth is definitive.

post #24 of 26

I think what we're collectively getting at is that a hyperkinetic youth-oriented style may be a valid option when interpreting Romeo & Juliet but it shouldn't be applied to just any play. I confess I kept my distance from Taymor's Tempest -- did anyone here take the plunge?

post #25 of 26
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I think Luhrman’s hyper-kinetic style works in Romeo + Juliet partially because, as others have mentioned, it heightens the teen romance angle but also because it gets back to the original sensibilities of the play. Shakespeare was massively populist in his day and his plays are essentially Elizabethan soap operas.

 

I think Shakespeare’s pioneering use of language and form sometimes distracts from the fact that his works are supposed to be appreciated by exceptionally broad audiences. The only thing stopping accessibility is the vernacular of the time, which is a shame because the wordplay in Shakespeare is usually fantastic and usually kind of hilarious. I think adaptations like this which try to capture the spirit of the play are often far more useful than straight adaptations. For example I think Franco Zeffirelli’s version of the film often feels far more staid than it probably should do, it’s formalism taking away from the emotional core of the piece.

 

But then again I tend to be very un-stuffy when it comes to Shakespeare. Taymor’s Titus and Richard Loncraine’s Richard III are two of my favourite Shakespeare adaptations and they massively diverge from the source material but really get to the emotional core of the pieces.

 

post #26 of 26

Most disappointing aspect: cutting the Romeo/Paris duel. Seeing a DiCaprio/90s-era Paul Rudd catfight would've been interesting today.

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