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MICHAEL SHANNON ESCAPES THE PHANTOM ZONE

post #1 of 66
4/10/11 at 3:10pm
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by Elisabeth Rappe: link

A bold choice from Warner Bros
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post #2 of 66
4/10/11 at 3:33pm

Shannon would've made a great Lex. Sure, he'd be playing another mad with power type but at least he'd be highly competent this time.  I guess Luthor isn't in this or they're keeping his casting as a surprise. Ah well, I wouldn't have minded him in this if it was a real reboot since they could get the character right this time. On the plus side, maybe they'll use Zod in an interesting way. Thing is, I thought they got him right the first time.

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post #3 of 66
4/10/11 at 3:44pm

Pop Zeus, While...Terence Stamp was note perfect as, General Zod, that was almost...30 years ago.  There is no problem of bringing back Zod, for a new generation!  The fight in New York City, between Superman and Zod, Ursa and Non, is still one of the best fights in a superhero film.  Maybe, there could be even more collateral damage in...Man Of Steel.  What is it with Nolan, and dropping the name of the hero from his own film?

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post #4 of 66
4/10/11 at 3:46pm

Pop Zeus, I think Michael Shannon is...Awesome in Boardwalk Empire.  He should be good as...General Zod!

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post #5 of 66
4/10/11 at 4:01pm
My first question is what happens to Boardwalk Empire. There's got to be a overlap on these shoots.
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post #6 of 66
4/10/11 at 4:05pm

Originally posted 3/22/11 at 12:50pm. This was before there were any talks of him joining the cast.

Kneel...

 

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Where's my cookie?

 

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post #7 of 66
4/10/11 at 4:11pm
Thanks for the reading. A post over /film noticed the Sunday trend regarding Superman news.
Zod is nice for the first film. Shannon is a great actor.
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post #8 of 66
4/10/11 at 4:47pm
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by Elisabeth Rappe: link

A bold choice from Warner Bros


There goes my theory of them going against type and casting him as a young editor on the rise named Perry White.

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post #9 of 66
4/10/11 at 4:58pm

Fat man's going to be Perry White. Michael Shannon isn't fat. He's also not from New Orleans.

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post #10 of 66
4/10/11 at 4:58pm

Got to agree with Miss Elisabeth on this one, he's also my least favored choice for the role - but I'm sure he'll be very capable.

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post #11 of 66
4/10/11 at 6:07pm

He's good, but the most interesting question will be who's Lex. That will probably be the biggest name again.

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post #12 of 66
4/10/11 at 6:57pm

Well since I'm utterly convinced Snyder reads talkbacks like this one let me offer some suggestions...

 

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Some obvious choices maybe - but obvious doesn't mean bad.
 
Or... if Snyders going for a Lex closer in age to his Kal-El...
 
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post #13 of 66
4/10/11 at 7:03pm

Crudup. Bank on it.

 

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post #14 of 66
4/10/11 at 7:14pm
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Crudup. Bank on it.

 



Oooh nice call. Would he make a better Brainiac tho I wonder?

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post #15 of 66
4/10/11 at 7:41pm
I can't believe I'm going to get to see Michael Shannon shoot lasers from his eyes. Lucky day.
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post #16 of 66
4/10/11 at 7:54pm
My suggestion, after one pic from RD confused me.

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post #17 of 66
4/10/11 at 8:33pm

The recent rumors for Lex that were swirling the web were for actors whose names I didn't recognize.  It looks like they are going to be casting an actor similar in age to Cavill, which makes sense to me.  Something tells me they aren't really chasing after any Hackmans or Brandos this time 'round.  Fine by me, as it leaves more money for the FX budget.

 

I'd go with Patrick Wilson or Billy Crudup myself.

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post #18 of 66
4/10/11 at 9:05pm

Oh, I like Patrick Wilson for Lex. 

 

Wendell Pierce for Perry White!

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post #19 of 66
4/10/11 at 9:16pm

For me, Wilson passed his audition for Lex with flying colours when he played Agent Lynch in The A-Team.

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post #20 of 66
4/10/11 at 9:32pm

MS looks like he hails more from Innsmouth than Krypton, but whatev.

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post #21 of 66
4/10/11 at 9:43pm
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MS looks like he hails more from Innsmouth than Krypton, but whatev.


All his casting made me think at first was, for all their utopian technologies of the future, Kryptonian optometry still had a ways to advance.

 

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post #22 of 66
4/10/11 at 9:54pm
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For me, Wilson passed his audition for Lex with flying colours when he played Agent Lynch in The A-Team.


Right on!

 

I like Gene Hackman, but I'd be lying if I said I loved him in the role.  He was way too pompous and not nearly menacing or maniacal enough.  I much prefer the Luthor we have been given in the Superman/Justice League animated shows and even Michael Rosenbaum on Smallville.  Hackman and his sidekicks were far too bumbling for my tastes.  Spacey brought more weight to it, but was still shackled to the Hackman version.  Gene was pretty much just playing himself.  It doesn't cause me to dislike the original films and I enjoy how it works within their context, but I REALLY don't want to see them go down that road again.  The Lex Luthor of the original Superman film series was merely an obstacle who occasionally threw a roadblock up in front of Supes.  He was never on the level of being an archnemesis though.  The Lex I know from the comics and other mediums was savvy enough to launch missiles, cause earthquakes, create super-powered lackeys, and team up with supervillains.................................and still not get caught with enough evidence to put him in jail.  THAT is the Lex Luthor that I want to see, as opposed to the bumbling criminal who thinks he is a genius.

 

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post #23 of 66
4/10/11 at 10:02pm

Yeah I think the Timmverse model of Lex (as voiced by the iconic Clancy Brown) is probably the best template for the character personally...

 

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...but then, I would say that really.

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post #24 of 66
4/10/11 at 11:05pm

I'm getting really tired of people across the web bitching about Zod being a character that was "made up for the movies".  He first appeared in the comics in 1961.  General Zod was an established character in the medium SEVENTEEN YEARS before he first appeared on the screen in 1978.  Everyone can complain all they want about WB using the villain from Superman II for their second reboot after they reused the villain from Superman 1 for the last one (Superman Returns).  I get that.  Just don't go spouting off crap.

 

Would I prefer to see Brainiac, Metallo, Darkseid, Parasite, etc. in the film instead?  Sure.  That said, I can understand WB going with a villain from a previous box office success.  There hasn't be a resoundingly successful Superman film since the mid-80s.  I don't think they feel that the character can make it on his own in theaters if they had a villain that the public wasn't as familiar with (ala Batman Begins).  Personally I think that is the wrong lesson to be taking from SR underperforming, but such is life.  I'm just happy that they aren't going with Luthor as the primary villain, though I'm sure he'll make some sort of appearance.

 

All we can do is hope that this film turns out well and that it makes bank.  If that happens, we won't have a problem when it comes to getting to see Darkseid throat-stomp Supes on the silver screen in a future sequel or superhero team-up film.

 

 

 

EDIT - BTW, I'm digging the casting on this film so far.  Cavill is poised to break out and the rest of the cast (Adams, Shannon, Costner, Lane) are top-notch.  They are making some really good choices and I hope they continue to do so.

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post #25 of 66
4/10/11 at 11:32pm

I'm dissapointed. There's not nearly enough rejoicing in this thread. You had it coming.

 

 

 

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post #26 of 66
4/10/11 at 11:36pm

Yea, its nice to see WB still understands how big Superman is capable of being, if only given the right treatment. Zod is a great choice for a villain, especially since now we can see a fully realized Superman fight (Matrix 3 notwithstanding) that will be presented in the epic fashion that has been missing.

 

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For Lex, why don't they just go out and get Clancy Brown.

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post #27 of 66
4/10/11 at 11:46pm

Don't know the mans work outside of The Runaways but I was impressed with him there. Not excited but not dissapointed so there is that. Zach you need to really make sure you bring it with this one.

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post #28 of 66
4/11/11 at 1:30am

Michael Shannon is playing General Zod. MICHAEL SHANNON. Why aren't people firing guns in the air in celebration?

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post #29 of 66
4/11/11 at 5:01am

I'd say go for Bettany or Rhys-Myers, although I'd like to see Lex being older.

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post #30 of 66
4/11/11 at 6:04am

After hearing about this, I decided to pull up Shannon's Random Roles AV Club interview, and was amused to read this when he was asked if having an Oscar nomination netted him more opportunities:

 

 

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It certainly was a very thrilling experience, and it’s something I’ll always remember and cherish. But it’s not like all of a sudden I’m Superman or something.

 

Not quite, Mike!

 

And yes, I am very excited to see lasers shoot out of his crazy as fuck eyes.

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post #31 of 66
4/11/11 at 7:15am

Oh man, I'd love a Billy Zane Luthor, but I don't think Snyder would have a clue as to how to use him properly.

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post #32 of 66
4/11/11 at 7:28am

Hmm. Lois is displeased. What to do....

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post #33 of 66
4/11/11 at 7:35am

The great casting for this continues. I think he'd make a better Lex but he should be great as Zod.

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post #34 of 66
4/11/11 at 9:45am

If all you knew of Superman was the backlash at the confirmation of Zod being in this film, you'd think there were 15 other Superman films with Zod in them.

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post #35 of 66
4/11/11 at 9:50am

I do admire Rain Dog's suspicious repository of pictures of EVERY male actor between the ages of 24 and 42.

 

Have you got the source code for all of them saved in some notepad somewhere, or do you manually create your manopolis each time?

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post #36 of 66
4/11/11 at 2:48pm

Man, Warners is gonna face an uphill battle selling this thing. The biggest star so far (besides Costner and Lane, who I doubt will be in it THAT much) is "the girl from Enchanted". After Superman Returns (which I liked) didn't do so hot......I just do not envy the marketing team for this flick. Shannon is an unusual choice, and I don't know that much about him. But if most of you guys like it, I'm on board.

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post #37 of 66
4/11/11 at 3:00pm



 

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Man, Warners is gonna face an uphill battle selling this thing. The biggest star so far (besides Costner and Lane, who I doubt will be in it THAT much) is "the girl from Enchanted". After Superman Returns (which I liked) didn't do so hot......I just do not envy the marketing team for this flick. Shannon is an unusual choice, and I don't know that much about him. But if most of you guys like it, I'm on board.


What are you talking about? It's Superman. SR made over $400 million worldwide and people didn't even like it that much. Also, Amy Adams is quite a bit more than that "girl from Enchanted". Snyder's got some baggage, but if you cut a decent trailer with nice FX and the promise of superpowered fights, etc., I imagine that excited chatter will probably happen. Something like Sucker Punch is an "uphill battle", but this is basically hey don't fuck it up and the brand will carry you home.

 

 

Edit: I don't know if this has ever been a thing that people talk about, but I suspect that Shannon is or has been a comic book fan. In an interview for The Runaways, the interviewer asked him about the possibility of playing the "Ice Man", Richard Kuklinski, and Shannon sort of jokingly clarifies that it's the hit man, and not the "Iceman from Marvel Comics". Whether he's full blown or not, I don't think you drop a little line like that without some reading.
 

 


Edited by JacknifeJohnny - 4/11/11 at 3:46pm
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post #38 of 66
4/11/11 at 4:55pm
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I do admire Rain Dog's suspicious repository of pictures of EVERY male actor between the ages of 24 and 42.

 

Have you got the source code for all of them saved in some notepad somewhere, or do you manually create your manopolis each time?


Tis a manual manopolis my good sir - but then, I am a black belt double dan in google image search.

 

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post #39 of 66
4/12/11 at 4:19am
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What are you talking about? It's Superman. SR made over $400 million worldwide and people didn't even like it that much. Also, Amy Adams is quite a bit more than that "girl from Enchanted". Snyder's got some baggage, but if you cut a decent trailer with nice FX and the promise of superpowered fights, etc., I imagine that excited chatter will probably happen. Something like Sucker Punch is an "uphill battle", but this is basically hey don't fuck it up and the brand will carry you home.

 

 

Edit: I don't know if this has ever been a thing that people talk about, but I suspect that Shannon is or has been a comic book fan. In an interview for The Runaways, the interviewer asked him about the possibility of playing the "Ice Man", Richard Kuklinski, and Shannon sort of jokingly clarifies that it's the hit man, and not the "Iceman from Marvel Comics". Whether he's full blown or not, I don't think you drop a little line like that without some reading.
 

 

Sorry, but to the average movie-goer, they don't know Amy Adams' name AT ALL. She is "the girl from Enchanted". Just cause you and I know her name, doesn't mean Joe and Joan movie-goer do. And I don't think Superman is an easy sell at all. Yeah, Returns made $400 worldwide, but did anyone consider it a success? Singer is not coming back, and neither is Routh. People don't buy into the Superman kool-aid like they used to. It's all Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men, and now Iron Man......everything else has to sell itself well, and that includes Superman.
 

 

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post #40 of 66
4/12/11 at 4:34am

People know Amy Adams. She's not Julia Roberts, but if Katherine Heigl is an above-the-title star then Adams sure as Hell is.

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post #41 of 66
4/12/11 at 4:46am

My family knows who Amy Adams is, and they are my generally accurate litmus test for the 'average film goers knowledge', though I have to say that Costner and Fields are the most recognizable right now.

 

Marketing will just have to promote Snyders movies like they have before, on fancy CGI and speed ramping, with a touch of S.

 

 

Oh and keep that damn theme. Superman without the theme would be criminal.

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post #42 of 66
4/12/11 at 5:14am

Yeah, it's Superman so the brand should be inherent to sell itself.

 

However, this does strangely seem to be a hard sell. More than one person has asked me, "do you know why they picked a new Superman?".  Now, I'm not saying this sliver of anecdotal evidence is going to be a harbinger of Man of Steel's failure or anything, but people do seem to be rolling their eyes about it.

 

Which will all change once an official trailer hits. Then it's going to be "ohthislookssocooiIloved300!"

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post #43 of 66
4/12/11 at 5:49am

The hard-sell is simple. This is going to have "From the people behind BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT" splattered all over it.

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post #44 of 66
4/12/11 at 6:02am
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The hard-sell is simple. This is going to have "From the visionaries behind BATMAN BEGINS, THE DARK KNIGHT, and 300" splattered all over it.



 

You right.

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post #45 of 66
4/12/11 at 6:15am
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The hard-sell is simple. This is going to have "From the people behind BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT" splattered all over it.



Exactly, don't underestimate what kind of cache "From the makers of The Dark Knight, Inception, 300 and Watchmen" brings to the table when combined like that.

 

That and ya know, it's fucking Superman.

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post #46 of 66
4/12/11 at 8:23am

"People" definitely know who Amy Adams is.

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post #47 of 66
4/12/11 at 8:50am
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Sorry, but to the average movie-goer, they don't know Amy Adams' name AT ALL. She is "the girl from Enchanted". Just cause you and I know her name, doesn't mean Joe and Joan movie-goer do. And I don't think Superman is an easy sell at all. Yeah, Returns made $400 worldwide, but did anyone consider it a success? Singer is not coming back, and neither is Routh. People don't buy into the Superman kool-aid like they used to. It's all Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men, and now Iron Man......everything else has to sell itself well, and that includes Superman.
 

 


I think the Adams thing has been handled, so I won't bother with it. However, you somehow missed my point. SR, a movie very few people seem to like, made over $400 million. It made over $400 million because it's Superman. He generates interests irrespective of immediate popularity. Will he really dig into the popular culture this time around? I have no idea. The film is populated with wonderful actors, but Snyder is a terrible storyteller, and we don't know what the script is or is not.    
 

 

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post #48 of 66
4/12/11 at 1:52pm

Amy Adams has carved a pretty nice career for herself thus far.....

 

2006 - Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby

2007 - Enchanted, Charlie Wilson's War

2008 - Doubt

2009 - Sunshine Cleaning, Night At The Museum: Battle For The Smithsonian, Julie & Julia

2010 - The Fighter

 

All of those either pulled in the money, were received well by the critics, or both in many cases.  They might not all be top-notch flicks, but that isn't what we are talking about here.  She hasn't been an "unknown" for awhile now.  Everyone might not know her name, but as soon as she pops up in the Superman trailer they will recognize her.  She is pretty damn popular these days and studios hound after her for almost every big project they have.  This year she has On The Road and The Muppets hitting screens.  I'm sure the latter will only increase her popularity.  She might not be a superstar, but she is on her way.

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post #49 of 66
4/12/11 at 2:12pm
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Amy Adams has carved a pretty nice career for herself thus far.....

 

2006 - Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby

2007 - Enchanted, Charlie Wilson's War

2008 - Doubt

2009 - Sunshine Cleaning, Night At The Museum: Battle For The Smithsonian, Julie & Julia

2010 - The Fighter

 

All of those either pulled in the money, were received well by the critics, or both in many cases.  They might not all be top-notch flicks, but that isn't what we are talking about here.  She hasn't been an "unknown" for awhile now.  Everyone might not know her name, but as soon as she pops up in the Superman trailer they will recognize her.  She is pretty damn popular these days and studios hound after her for almost every big project they have.  This year she has On The Road and The Muppets hitting screens.  I'm sure the latter will only increase her popularity.  She might not be a superstar, but she is on her way.



I've seen one of the above the flicks. I have no idea who Amy Adams is outside of this thread....

 

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post #50 of 66
4/12/11 at 2:37pm

She's also in the tabloids a lot. Trust me, LOTS of the general public know her by name.

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