X-MEN INTERNATIONAL TRAILER

Like it, though I preferred the American trailer.

Fassbender is gonna fucking own this flick, but I'm also growing to think McAvoy as Professor X.

Until this point I had faith in the film based largely on the fact that Matthew Vaughn is three for three for me as a director and his previous collaborations with Jane Goldman were fantastic. The first few trailers kind of underwhelmed me, I kind of liked the slower, more methodical feel of this trailer. I think largely because it puts the emphasis on the conflict between Xavier and Magento.

There's a fascinating Luther King/Malcolm X conflict for the two characters which was kind of generally ignored in the original X-Men trilogy, as such the idea of a talky, philosophical X-Men prequel which also happens to involve Michael Fassbender ripping submarines out of the ocean is something I'm genuinely excited for. It's certainly a far more interesting proposition than having the origins of the metal on Wolverine's skeleton boringly spelled out to us. 

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There's a fascinating Luther King/Malcolm X conflict for the two characters which was kind of generally ignored in the original X-Men trilogy, as such the idea of a talky, philosophical X-Men prequel which also happens to involve Michael Fassbender ripping submarines out of the ocean is something I'm genuinely excited for.

For Pete's sake, can we ditch this silly Luther/Malcolm X comparison already? I don't recall Malcolm ever calling for a violent, Magneto-esque war of subjugation & eradication against all white people, even in his radical early days. Most importantly, in his last few years he was as much of a peaceful inclusionist as Luther ever was.

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For Pete's sake, can we ditch this silly Luther/Malcolm X comparison already?

The Malcolm X/MLK subtext has been there since the second these characters were conceived.

So, the answer's no.

I'm aware it's been there for ages. My point is that the subtext is inaccurate & damn foolish.

I get where you're coming from, it definitely short changes Malcolm X to define him as violent and supremacist, it's just an easy way to define their relationship. It's more about the idea of action/reaction than anything else. 

I hear ya. I'm a massive fan of the 80s Claremont run as well as the inaugural Kirby/Lee X-Men stuff, it's just that the King/Malcolm X subtext distilled from the early comics & trumpeted in the films irritates me to no end.

I think the King/Malcolm X allegory gives the story more strength. Furthermore, you have to take into account that Erik Lehnsherr lived through the holocaust and feels that's what humanity has in store for mutants.

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... the idea of a talky, philosophical X-Men prequel which also happens to involve Michael Fassbender ripping submarines out of the ocean is something I'm genuinely excited for. It's certainly a far more interesting proposition than having the origins of the metal on Wolverine's skeleton boringly spelled out to us.

That's what's pulling me in too. I thought I was pretty much done with superhero films a while back but this one is intriguing.

Also, removing the Malcolm X allegory means we would've been robbed of the sole remaining moment of badassery from X1 that hasn't aged--Erik dropping "by any means necessary" on Prof X.

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Also, removing the Malcolm X allegory means we would've been robbed of the sole remaining moment of badassery from X1 that hasn't aged--Erik dropping "by any means necessary" on Prof X.

You don't dig when Rogue and Wolvie's paths first cross anymore? Admitedly I haven't seen 1 and 2 for a while and I've never seen 3, but I remember that being one of the best things in any superhero movie ever.

"When they come out ... does it hurt?"

"Every time."

Of course they went on to fuck up a lot of what's aces about Wolverine in subsequent movies, but I hope that doesn't retrospectively colour the coolness of those sweet early moments.

If X has pictures of Darwin and Einstein on his endtable, who does Magneto admire at his bedside? Che Guevera? Too on-the-nose?

Well, I think the Malcolm X/Magneto comparison emerges most succinctly in the truest reading of his early days. I mean, if the government were out specifically hunting and labeling black people in Malcolm's era a la Mutant Registration Act, do you not think he would call upon his supporters to strike back righteously*? I hope the film gets this right, in that Magneto's earliest intentions were to do good, and he only responded to far too many post-Holocaust provocations from humankind with violence.

*Did I just punch a straw man there?

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I'm aware it's been there for ages. My point is that the subtext is inaccurate & damn foolish.

These innacuracies stem from the fact that the comic since it's set in a world more heightened than ours, features personalities more heightened than the real ones. Just as Malcom X was never violent as Magneto was, so MLK was not as saintly as Professor Xavier.

This is why you make the big bucks. Nice one.

As much as I love X2 I think it's probably the only consistently good film out of all the movies. The first just plods along and feels like a TV pilot, the third is cursed by lacklustre direction, a messy plot and some dubious politics and Wolverine is....well...Wolverine. 

I guarantee Magneto is a fan of Rousseau and Nietztche.