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post #1 of 36
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First part is up now. Part of a nine part series.

 

Liked it. Nice action and fights. Michael Jai White and Jeri Ryan. They seem to be following the "Semi-realistic" premise they showed in that experimental trailer months back.

 

Definitely looking forward to the rest of them.

post #2 of 36

Technically it looks really good (for a web series) and any B Action fan has to love Shalavi meeting White on screen, but without Outworld and the goofy costumes... I don't know. As a random action short it worked for me, but aside from the names and throwaway eye bit there was not much MK in this.

 

 

post #3 of 36

Yeah, this just ends up being generic as hell. In attempting to go super realistic, they may have bled out everything that made MK fun to begin with.


 

post #4 of 36
To be fair, this is only the first part - hopefully the more batshit nuts mystical stuff will come in later in the series (I certainly can't picture a 100% real-world MK) Enjoyed it fine. It looks nice and has some well-shot action. It doesn't really give you enough to go on (It was obvious that they were going for a cliffhanger ending, but it was very clunkily handled) but they have my interest for the next part at least.
post #5 of 36
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According to this Trailer, they'll be more Outworld stuff coming up. the makeup for Quan Chi looks terrible though.

 

post #6 of 36

MORTAL KOMBAT: LEGACY HITS THE WEB (IN THE FACE).

by Renn Brown: link

The first episode of the web series debuts.
post #7 of 36

The debut trailer has some interesting stuff in there. Can't wait for the Scorpion/Sub-Zero episode which takes place in feudal Japan and is mostly in Japanese.

 

post #8 of 36
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Much as I love Jeri Ryan, she's way too old to be playing Sonya.

 

Still, I thought Part 1 was decent enough. I'll keep watching.

post #9 of 36

It's all setup. I'm not even a big MK fan and I could see a lot of future stuff being hinted at. From pieces of gear to special attacks. The action stuff was pretty good, too. 

post #10 of 36

I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it more when people stopped talking and started fighting. Curious to see where it goes

post #11 of 36

If Scott Adkins pops up as . . . well . . . anyone, really . . . I'll be most happy indeed.

 

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It's all setup.


That's weird, I didn't feel there was enough setup actually. I'm not sure what the stakes are or anything. I get that they felt they needed to jump into an action-scene right away so as not to turn people off, but it would've helped if they'd spent a few more minutes on the characters and story, and cut out when Kano goes "Kill them all!"

 

And yes, I wants me some Scott Adkins.

post #13 of 36

Gritty! Realistic! GRITTALISTIC!!!

 

This whole project seems like an elaborate parody of how fanboys take everything too seriously. Yeah, the original game had a hearty dose of DOOD LOOKA HOW BADAZZ WE ARE, but it's still about cyborg ninja demons from another dimension.

post #14 of 36
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Ep 2 is up now. Jeri Ryan is looking good in this one. Love the way she fires that shot at 2.12mins.

 

Michael Jai White and Darren Shahlawi has a nice fight as well.

post #15 of 36

New episode is up. I'm gonna try and keep up with each one and do a mini-review. Here's the latest....

 

http://www.chud.com/49631/mortal-kombat-legacy-hits-round-three-review/

 

I've collapsed this thread with the other so there's centralized spot to discuss.

post #16 of 36

Anyone watching these? Figured there'd be some reaction.

 

I've been categorized as a hater that can't recognize fight scenes that are better than those in most feature films by a commenter. Apparently there's some strange Mechanic-based grudge.

post #17 of 36

That groin punch was something, finally. Something reminding me of MK. And the end scene suddenly promised something supernatural after the first two episodes played it semi-realistic. But you're right, it's still not good at all. The action is just there and not thrilling, and even worse, it's just not fun. Wouldn't they be able to go totally bonkers, getting super extremely violent? There is no internet MPAA, or is there? This should have the tone of Crank II meets Rob Zombie's Werewolf Women of the SS meets Postal 2, with a bit of Hobo with a Shotgun. Shit you show your friends. Shit you do not want to show your kids but heartily laugh about. I wonder why Boon even runs with this. If it's not Quan-Chi ripping out his partners leg and beating him to death with it, it shouldn't be made in the first. That is MK, if you don't want to adapt it that way, adapt something else. So this goes in a long row of game adaptations that sissied out and missed the point.

 

What if the next episodes too just draw in under 200k views? Will they still go to the end and release the DVDs? And the.. eh movie they've spoken about?

post #18 of 36

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That groin punch was something, finally. Something reminding me of MK. And the end scene suddenly promised something supernatural after the first two episodes played it semi-realistic. But you're right, it's still not good at all. The action is just there and not thrilling, and even worse, it's just not fun. Wouldn't they be able to go totally bonkers, getting super extremely violent? There is no internet MPAA, or is there? This should have the tone of Crank II meets Rob Zombie's Werewolf Women of the SS meets Postal 2, with a bit of Hobo with a Shotgun. Shit you show your friends. Shit you do not want to show your kids but heartily laugh about. I wonder why Boon even runs with this. If it's not Quan-Chi ripping out his partners leg and beating him to death with it, it shouldn't be made in the first. That is MK, if you don't want to adapt it that way, adapt something else. So this goes in a long row of game adaptations that sissied out and missed the point.

 

What if the next episodes too just draw in under 200k views? Will they still go to the end and release the DVDs? And the.. eh movie they've spoken about?

 

The more I think about it the more of a missed opportunity this feels like already. Obviously there are still plenty more episodes, so they might accomplish this yet, but EVERY episode should have some meme-worthy shit in it--- exactly like beating the shit out of someone with their own leg. What other value could this possibly have?
 

 

post #19 of 36

It's called exposition.  They establish each characters reason for competing.   Johnny's  is that he is for real, that he is not a fake.  He has blown so many things, he is trying to redeem himself. There won't be a lot of violence in these parts.  It is not all martial arts, they have to develop the story.

post #20 of 36
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It's called exposition.  They establish each characters reason for competing.   Johnny's  is that he is for real, that he is not a fake.  He has blown so many things, he is trying to redeem himself. There won't be a lot of violence in these parts.  It is not all martial arts, they have to develop the story.

 

That story has been told a dozen times. There's no value to telling it again cheaper and shittier in youtube video form. This needs to find something new in between the quick cut scenes/allusion that a video game would use to support the mythology, and the outright set-up/pay-off of a feature film. This series will be too insubstantial to justify being bland right out of the gate. If you want to do something interesting with the story, fine. If you want to be all crazy action and fighting, also fine. You can't do both and do them poorly though. This is a new form, a new distribution opportunity... how about trying something new with it, rather than sloppily carving up a profoundly DTV cheapfest.

 

This whole thing isn't worth monumental effort to trash it, I'm simply saying what I see when I look at this. If you look at this and genuinely see great fight scenes and action, or a compelling story... great- enjoy it.

post #21 of 36

I think what Tancharoen is doing is the same thing the screenwriter of Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun Li tried. That is he's actually of the opinion that the character stories are gripping and interesting, moreso than the actual fighting. Even if it may be amazingly written on paper (or pdf that is), you get actors that can't pull the material off (of course, it's Mortal Kombat for christs sakes) and a directing eye not able to transport anything but blandness. It's obvious that Tancharoen didn't start this with the idea of ever going for amazing fight scenes, funny super violence and over-the-top characters in the first place. Don't get your hopes up, it's not coming.

 

First thing every director of game adaptions should do is a breakdown of what's really cool and beloved about the games (moves, characters, lines, locations). Look at the possibilities you'll have, cast, budget, locations. Strike everything that is not possible to do. Then think up new stuff that would be cool but doesn't fuck with the rest. And only then you can start to think about how you'll tie everything together, when you got everything covered that people expect and that should be in there (because it's success is proven).

 

Most of the times with game adaptions, it feels the other way around. And it seems as if the filmmakers are either never capable of seeing what people like in the original... or that they're just not giving a fuck and just half-heartingly do Mortal Kombat because no one wanted to finance their real dreams. You may say that every movie should have good characters and a story, but when it comes to adaptions like this one, I seriously doubt that's the highest priority for target audience. And Tancharoen will fail at that. He'd have bigger chances to land real gigs if he used these episodes as style and action reels.

post #22 of 36

The Street Fighter: Legend of Chun-Li comparison is spot on.  It's what first came to mind after I watched Rebirth.


 

post #23 of 36


Ironically, MORTAL KOMBAT, the first movie at least, was a pretty decent take on the property in a movie format.  It could have been gorier and it's kinda dated FX-wise, but it had the stuff people wanted to see with just enough plot to string things along.
 

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Most of the times with game adaptions, it feels the other way around. And it seems as if the filmmakers are either never capable of seeing what people like in the original... or that they're just not giving a fuck and just half-heartingly do Mortal Kombat because no one wanted to finance their real dreams. You may say that every movie should have good characters and a story, but when it comes to adaptions like this one, I seriously doubt that's the highest priority for target audience. And Tancharoen will fail at that. He'd have bigger chances to land real gigs if he used these episodes as style and action reels.



 

post #24 of 36

The first Mortal Kombat movie wasn't very good, but I think it sort of nailed the tone of the property perfectly.


 

post #25 of 36

New episode is up, and I actually took the time to examine what value this could have had, were it actually pulled off well.

 

http://www.chud.com/50827/mortal-kombat-legacy-episode-4-review-kitana-mileena/

post #26 of 36

 

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What happened to the ultra-grimy elseworld approach that actually turned a few heads? People cared about the original short because Baraka was suddenly re-imagined as an ultra-grimy, self-mutilating doctor with decent make-up, rather than a LOTR orc knock-off with a Party City mask and costume. And that’s just one example.

 

Yeah, but it only turned heads for the same dorks who think every property in the world has to be a hard R.  "You know what would be the best thing ever?  If Superman ripped that fucker's spine out!!"

 

The proof of concept video was awful, and its total seriousness gave off the sub-DTV vibe you're criticizing Legacy for (not that I'm defending Legacy).  Mortal Kombat: Rebirth wasn't a "Nolanizing"; it was just doing the same thing Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li did, and to the same result.

post #27 of 36
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New episode is up, and I actually took the time to examine what value this could have had, were it actually pulled off well.

 

http://www.chud.com/50827/mortal-kombat-legacy-episode-4-review-kitana-mileena/


You posted your review a mere moments after I submitted my review (and to let you know this snoozefest was available as of Monday) as a scoop.

 

Here's my review in a nutshell.

 

Polished turd.

 

To say I feel disappointment in this series as a whole is an understatement.

 

post #28 of 36


Arguably, the difference is Mortal Kombat is a series about pulling dudes' spines out.  Superman isn't. 
 

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Yeah, but it only turned heads for the same dorks who think every property in the world has to be a hard R.  "You know what would be the best thing ever?  If Superman ripped that fucker's spine out!!"

 

The proof of concept video was awful, and its total seriousness gave off the sub-DTV vibe you're criticizing Legacy for (not that I'm defending Legacy).  Mortal Kombat: Rebirth wasn't a "Nolanizing"; it was just doing the same thing Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li did, and to the same result.



 

post #29 of 36
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Arguably, the difference is Mortal Kombat is a series about pulling dudes' spines out.  Superman isn't.



It's also about realms, gods, lizard men, and evil wizards.  Playing it off as gritty is silly in and of itself.

 

I think there's balance to be found, and Tancharoen just can't find it.  Playing it as grim n' gritty doesn't work (Rebirth).  Playing it as a slavish, direct adaptation doesn't work (the Kitana/Mileena episode).  Both extremes just don't play well on screen.

post #30 of 36
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Ep 5 is up. And they waste a few minutes doing that recap thing again.

 

post #31 of 36

Yeah, I'm not really feeling these, either.  I'm a little disappointed.

post #32 of 36
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Ep 6-- Raiden is up. I just submitted it.

 

Here's an interview with Director Kevin Tancharoen on the development process of this web series.

post #33 of 36

I'll be catching up with these soon. A weekly dump of cynicism seemed less ideal than just rounding them up every couple of episodes.

post #34 of 36
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Ep 7- Subzero & Scorpion is up.

 

Another two parter. This time in Japanese. I didn't mind this entry. But as usual they cut to the credits as soom the final fight started. And no doubt next week they'll waste the first minutes in another pointless recap.

 

Renn, would like me to submit the installment here from now on? For easier viewing and convenience.

 

post #35 of 36

Nah, I'm still planning on going through everything, but hard to prioritize these particularly high. Maybe later today or tomorrow I'll catch up. Speak of them as you will.

post #36 of 36

These things have some weird edits.  I think they're cutting out stuff so they can get them in under 12 minutes so they can post them on YouTube without much of a fuss.

 

I remember a recent interview with the director about extra stuff that'll be on the DVD.  So maybe they'll actually be better? 

 

Anyway, this episode was pretty decent.  Hopefully the next episode is kick ass.  If this guy fucks up Scorpion and Sub-Zero, then there's really no hope for the series.

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