1. BATMAN AND ROBIN
2. CATWOMAN
3. SUPERMAN IV THE QUEST FOR PEACE
4. THE CROW: WICKED PRAYER
5. X-MEN ORIGINS WOLVERINE
6. DAREDEVIL
7. ELEKTRA
8. DYLAN DOG: DEAD OF NIGHT
9. SUPERGIRL
10. VAN HELSING
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1. BATMAN AND ROBIN
2. CATWOMAN
3. SUPERMAN IV THE QUEST FOR PEACE
4. THE CROW: WICKED PRAYER
5. X-MEN ORIGINS WOLVERINE
6. DAREDEVIL
7. ELEKTRA
8. DYLAN DOG: DEAD OF NIGHT
9. SUPERGIRL
10. VAN HELSING
Never funny.
Time has not been kind to my love for the Raimi Spider-Man films.
Why are there always people screaming into the camera? You can always tell when there's a camera-scream coming. The whole tone of the film seems to come to a screeching halt. Suddenly, the camera is focused on some random, shapely woman. And then she's screaming into the camera like it's a 3D skit from SCTV.
Why must there be a scene with the people of New York suddenly coming to Spider-Man's rescue? New Yorkers are mean. They hate Spider-Man. Fuck New Yorkers. Except for Cash Cab. We can keep Cash Cab.
That said, I'm a geek. I'll watch practically anything with a superhero in it. I won't pretend to have scruples.
Spiderman rarely gets called out for being as much of a mess as it actually is, partly because it's such an amiable one and partly because it made 6 jillion dollars. The ending particularly grates. If you're going to use the iconic Goblin/bridge set up, don't cop out by not following through on the only part that makes it significant. And the "New York to the rescue!" bit is god-awful pap.
But I love Spiderman 2 the way most people love their more attractive children. It has many of the same issues, but it just does everything better. Better villain, better action sequences, better romance, and the "New York to the rescue!" bit actually works, because the people are visibly terrified and completely ineffectual. That makes it seem actually courageous (instead of oddly swaggering in the first), and underlines that he has to be Spiderman because even when willing, no one else is able to handle these threats. With great power and so on.
I like what you did here..I really do.
1.Batman Returns
2.Constantine
3.Dark Knight
4.Watchmen
5.Superman
6.Iron Man
7.Spider-Man 2
8.Thor
9.Incredible Hulk
10.Batman Begins
I've never read V for Vendetta or Wanted, but I've enjoyed both films. As for Kick Ass, the film is much better then the comic book.
I just watched "X2" again and it's still my favourite movie of the 2000s (2000-2009). As soon as "Spider-Man 2" came out, everyone seemed to forget about it and think of it as passé, clearly outclassed and no longer relevant or worthy of mention in the conversation about superior comic book movies. When "Iron Man" came out, it was further buried, and "The Dark Knight" was the final nail in the coffin of its relevance. It's practically forgotten now, considered a relic of a genre that has matured by leaps and bounds, leaving it exposed as a shallow lark was only praised upon release because the genre was in its infancy and it was only adequate compared to the mediocre dreck that had been produced up to that point. A big fish in a small pond.
I vehemently oppose this reasoning. I sort of get it. A movie with an ensemble cast like that is harder for people to get emotionally invested in. They want superhero movies that focus on a single individual so they can root for him and consider it more poignant because they get more moved by his personal individual struggles. I don't think the fact they're centered around one hero rather than a whole team of them automatically makes more recent comic books movies better, though.
When I was saw "Spider-Man 2", I was infuriated by all the melodrama about how much Peter Parker's life sucks. Yeah, it's good to have that in the movie to make the character more sympathetic and to give his dilemma more poignancy, but I thought they laid it on a bit too thick (i.e. Peter being attacked by a bunch of backpacks). Watching the movie several times on DVD, I appreciated it more than I had when seeing it at the movies, but I still think it gets too melodramatic at times. The best parts of the movie are the action sequences in which Spider-Man fights Doctor Octopus, yet it seems like many consider the drama in Peter's personal life to be what elevates it to a masterpiece of its genre. "The Dark Knight" is great except for some stupid plot stuff (the sonar shit was lame for example) and Bale's shitty-ass hero voice. "Iron Man" was brought to a screeching halt by the cave sequence which just felt like a dull retread of "Batman Begins", but it recovered nicely and the rest of the movie was fine, if not spectacular.
"X2" doesn't have a larger-than-life, flamboyantly dressed villain like Doctor Octopus or The Joker to give it the iconography of the Batman and Spider-Man sequels, but in the places where it counts most (plot, character, dialog, and tone), I think it succeeds more. I love Brian Cox's performance as Stryker. So supremely confident, gleefully cruel, and delivering smart and memorable dialog with wonderful malice. The same goes for Ian Mckellan as Magneto. Then there's plenty of thoughtful, intelligent, and even touching character beats for Iceman, Nightcrawler, Jean Grey, Wolverine, and Rogue. The character development for all of them is brief, but effective. Mystique is a joy to watch too. She doesn't have a lot of scenes or dialog, but everything she does and says is enthralling. Lady Deathstrike was terrific too, it's just a shame she had only one line and was pretty much just a thug put in the movie for the purpose of one action sequence. I don't really care since that scene ruled so hard. The only real drag was how frustratingly underused Professor X and Cyclops were (especially Xavier...kind of a waste of a great actor). That movie is criminally underrated.
Back on topic, I watched "Danger: Diabolik" based partially on the recommendations in this thread and I liked it a hell of a lot more than some of the more 'sophisticated' comic books movies we've had in the last few years. Beats the hell out of the first Batman, X-Men, and Spider-Man movies. It's weird how it looks so campy like the Batman '60s TV series, but is pretty much played straight without wisecracks. I loved every minute of it, from the gaudy, imaginative production design to the icy, but engaging lead performance, and the Bond-ish villain (the trap door on his plane is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in a live action movie). I think it's a good time to start re-doing these lists, what with all the comic book movies coming out this summer. I plan to re-think mine after seeing a few. I would definitely have a place for "Danger: Diabolik" now.

I just watched "X2" again and it's still my favourite movie of the 2000s (2000-2009). As soon as "Spider-Man 2" came out, everyone seemed to forget about it and think of it as passé, clearly outclassed and no longer relevant or worthy of mention in the conversation about superior comic book movies. When "Iron Man" came out, it was further buried, and "The Dark Knight" was the final nail in the coffin of its relevance. It's practically forgotten now, considered a relic of a genre that has matured by leaps and bounds, leaving it exposed as a shallow lark was only praised upon release because the genre was in its infancy and it was only adequate compared to the mediocre dreck that had been produced up to that point. A big fish in a small pond.
That's a oddly thoughtful, detailed, and articulate line of reasoning to attribute to "everyone", but that doesn't mean it's altogether inaccurate. What you seem to be overlooking, though, is that X2's legacy has been hurt at least as much by X3 and Wolverine's failures as by Iron Man and TDK's successes. And still, I think it's generally regarded positively, and it's not really possible for it to be simultaneously condescended to and forgotten to the extent you claim.
Nightcrawler in the White House is neck and neck with Spiderman 2's train fight for best superhero action sequence, as far as I'm concerned.
I still have to repress shivers almost every time I think about that scene. I loved the first Spider-Man, but seeing a live-action BAMFing executed so thrillingly sent me to that emotional place few action movies have done before or since.
Thanks, guys. It's always reassuring to know there are others out there who haven't forgotten the movie's merits. And you're right, I didn't take into account how much its legacy might be tainted by X-Men: The Last Stand" and "Wolverine"...because I like to pretend those don't exist.
I think that's definitely a factor in the movie's diminished stature, but I still also believe a lot of it has to do with the fact that people tend to forget something when the 'hot new thing' comes roaring along. Not me, though. I'm still waiting for "X2" to be topped or at least matched in quality within its genre. As I anticipated its release, I really believed "The Dark Knight" would be the one to inherit the mantle of best comic book movie from "X2", but nope. Not to me.
I don't know what I was thinking, but I clicked on this expecting a discussion of the best comic-book adaptations of movies. Which would be Walter Simonson's Alien, Hisao Tamaki's Star Wars and Al Williamson & Carlos Garzon's The Empire Strikes Back.