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post #1301 of 2477
5/12/12 at 3:39am

Rorge was also supposed to be missing most of his nose, and they settled with a bad scar which they will propably for Tyrion.

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post #1302 of 2477
5/12/12 at 2:26pm

so, the gravedigger at the Quiet Isle, is that who I think it is?

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post #1303 of 2477
5/12/12 at 2:39pm
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so, the gravedigger at the Quiet Isle, is that who I think it is?

 

yes

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post #1304 of 2477
5/12/12 at 10:24pm

episode 7 spoilers from westeros

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Sansa's moonblood scene does happen. Shae is involved, but she is not holding the knife to Sansa.

 
Xaro calls for a meeting of the Thirteen to discuss the theft of the dragons, because he thinks "one of them did it or knows who did". Pyat Pree reveals that the dragons are in the House of the Undying and that the warlocks and Xaro were in on the whole thing - the warlocks would get the dragons (and Dany) for their own nefarious purposes and Xaro would be made King of Qarth. The personal slaves of the Thirteen then all turn into duplicates of Pyat Pree and slit the throats of their masters (R.I.P. Spice King). Following this, Dany runs the hell away, presumably to go hide somewhere.
 
Jaime kills Alton Lannister to lure Karstark into the cage, then murders him and flees. He's recaptured and chained up. Robb is away at the Crag and Karstark Sr. demands Jaime's death. Fearing that Jaime won't survive the night (thus losing Littlefinger/Tyrion's deal of exchange), Cat releases Jaime with Brienne at the end of the episode.
 
On another note, there's a lot of backstory this episode. Jaime telling Alton about his past as a Kingsguard member, and Arya/Tywin discussing Harrenhal's history.
 
Episode cliffhanger, I think, is two tarred corpses hanging from the gates of Winterfell.
 
The audience is made to think it's Bran and Rickon. I think.
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post #1305 of 2477
5/13/12 at 3:30am

Hmm, I've read the books, and I still wish I hadn't read that. I'd suggest you all proceed with caution.

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post #1306 of 2477
5/13/12 at 3:56am

Wow, thus far the show has been pretty faithful (in my opinion) to the books.  It kind of sounds like it might finally be starting to diverge in significant ways.

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post #1307 of 2477
5/13/12 at 4:26pm

spoiler space spoiler space spoiler space spoiler space

 

I think it's pretty funny that they're doing this on Mother's day.

 

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post #1308 of 2477
5/13/12 at 7:03pm
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Wow, thus far the show has been pretty faithful (in my opinion) to the books.  It kind of sounds like it might finally be starting to diverge in significant ways.


Nah, that's not really that much of a change, just more Qarth filler to lead Dany into going to the House of the Undying.

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post #1309 of 2477
5/13/12 at 7:27pm

Am I the only one who finds Arya's scenes with Tywin well acted (again, props to Maisie Williams for holding her own against Charles Dance) but wasteful when it comes to her story?  It's engaging stuff on its own in terms of humanizing Tywin's philosophy (already accomplished, I think, by his scenes with his own sons), but I'm not quite sure where it's going.  For the past three episodes now the lengthier scenes of Arya's story have consisted of conversations between herself and Tywin that, while illuminating on Tywin's part, ultimately won't be serving much of a purpose and hurt the atmosphere of Harrenhal.  It really just feels like a mildly unpleasant place where Arya serves lords and occasionally sees the people she came with, which does a disservice to the atmosphere that I think should have been more strongly emphasized.  They're just taking too much time.

 

I think that there the book presents problems in adaptation that the show has sidestepped in terms of externalizing these POVs with strong dramatic incident, but I'm not quite sold with Harrenhal's changes yet.

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post #1310 of 2477
5/13/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Draco Senior View Post

Am I the only one who finds Arya's scenes with Tywin well acted (again, props to Maisie Williams for holding her own against Charles Dance) but wasteful when it comes to her story?  It's engaging stuff on its own in terms of humanizing Tywin's philosophy (already accomplished, I think, by his scenes with his own sons), but I'm not quite sure where it's going.  For the past three episodes now the lengthier scenes of Arya's story have consisted of conversations between herself and Tywin that, while illuminating on Tywin's part, ultimately won't be serving much of a purpose and hurt the atmosphere of Harrenhal.  It really just feels like a mildly unpleasant place where Arya serves lords and occasionally sees the people she came with, which does a disservice to the atmosphere that I think should have been more strongly emphasized.  They're just taking too much time.

 


I think the wonderful character building beats what happens to her in the book, which was a lot more of wandering around in the woods and dealing with various creeps at Harenhall. Tywin always came across as nothing but a villain in the books, and the show has done an excellent job (once again) making a not-so-sympathetic character far more complex and interesting through what he's doing with Arya. It's also developing her sense of vengeance as well. Giving a weird stranger a name for someone to kill and picking up a knife while thinking about stabbing him in the back are two very different things. They're obviously going to play off some drama where she has a chance to kill Tywin OR get free and she chooses her freedom (or something along those lines). And I think that's interesting, and far more interesting than her getting bossed around by some loudmouth cook. 

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post #1311 of 2477
5/13/12 at 7:49pm

The Tywin/Arya scenes are my favorite part of this season, without a doubt. I think everything interesting about Harrenhall has been pretty well maintained, especially this week. I would like to see what's up with Gendry and Hotpie, but I'd gladly watch a three hour play of just Charles Dance and Maisie Williams talking about shit.

 

If we didn't know that, essentially, Tywin is not going to find out about Arya, they would probably be the most suspenseful scenes too. But Dance gets the MVP of the supporting cast this season, as far as I'm concerned.

 

ETA: Also, Theon is going so well this season that I'm actually really excited to see Quentyn Martell's plotline on the show. That could be so incredibly fun, if handled right.

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post #1312 of 2477
5/13/12 at 7:54pm

My main issue is that we're getting more like glimpses of what's wrong in Harrenhal as opposed to the book's front row seat, which is largely due to the significant POV change.  It's difficult because Charles Dance does a lot with Tywin, but I think humanizing him has already been done well enough already, and I'm not sure how adding Arya ultimately merits showing those scenes again a bit differently.  As I said, dramatically speaking and removed from their context I love the acting chops showcased in these scenes, but there's a "Where's this going?" sense that makes them harder to enjoy in terms of that larger context.

 

And they're stronger than the more canonical material in the book, which kind of makes the scenes Arya's occupying feel too disconnected from the environment that we were introduced to a few episodes back.

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post #1313 of 2477
5/13/12 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

The Tywin/Arya scenes are my favorite part of this season, without a doubt. I think everything interesting about Harrenhall has been pretty well maintained, especially this week. I would like to see what's up with Gendry and Hotpie, but I'd gladly watch a three hour play of just Charles Dance and Maisie Williams talking about shit.

 

If we didn't know that, essentially, Tywin is not going to find out about Arya, they would probably be the most suspenseful scenes too. But Dance gets the MVP of the supporting cast this season, as far as I'm concerned.

 

ETA: Also, Theon is going so well this season that I'm actually really excited to see Quentyn Martell's plotline on the show. That could be so incredibly fun, if handled right.

100% with you on this one.....this is like an extended version of the Robert/Cercei scene from the first season. It may not be in the books, but the show is not a scene for scene adaptation. The show producers are finding other bits and relationships and I trust they will eventually move the characters to where the story needs to go. For now I am just enjoying the Tywin/Arya exchanges, I wonder if they will have Tywin figure out her identity right as she escapes Harrenhal, planting the seed for his creation of the fake Arya down the line.

 

The other relationship I am really enjoying is Roose Bolton/Robb Stark. Bolton is quietly observing Robb's subtle missteps, it makes his ultimate betrayal of Stark much easier to understand for a viewer. Book readers got plenty of clues that Boltons are to be watched closely, but the show could not convey that without one of their infamous sexposition scenes where someone talks about their misgivings about House Bolton while being ridden by Roz.

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post #1314 of 2477
5/14/12 at 6:49am

Oh, and the Hound from the books finally showed up. I've never had a problem with how they've used him on the show, but that was quite clearly the character Martin described. Maybe he won't end up taking Ser Dontos's role.

 

Also, considering we've got Jorah and Dany, I hope no old guy falls in love with Sansa. It might be a redundancy.

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post #1315 of 2477
5/14/12 at 6:53am

SPOILERS

 

Great ep, enjoyed it a ton. Right on about the Arya/Twyin scenes. The two steal the show every time and all while being in a single room together each time. It doesn't have to lead anywhere, just the threat that it possibly could is enough. He's called off to battle in the next ep and I bet the prisoners arrive shortly after. I am liking the relationship with Shae and Sansa being more to the forefront as well, which makes her betrayal to Tyrion a little more backstabbing. Damn season 3 is going to be depressing.

 

The actress playing Ygritte is sublime, and gone are my doubts about the casting (I still think she's too pretty, but is that really ever a bad thing?) She ferocious when needed and humorous the next, it's great. By the way, Lord of Bones looks amazing! Better than I could of imagined.

 

I'm rereading the second book for the second time whilst watching the show, about 90 pages to go and have to say I forgot how uninteresting her storyline was in the book. The House of Undying stuff is cool yeah, but there's no real momentum at all for her and nothing of significance really happens. I am totally with the changes in the show, it gives it some added drama and makes Pyat Pree look like a straight up badass. I'm hoping for some crazy looking stuff in that scene.

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post #1316 of 2477
5/14/12 at 6:57am

I've heard everyone saying it should look like David Lynch, very specifically the way the Black Lodge was presented in Twin Peaks, or even the Club Silencio. This week's Spice King murder sequence suggests they got the note.

 

Biggest complaint for me this season? Neither hide nor hair of the Greatjon.

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post #1317 of 2477
5/14/12 at 7:00am

George Martin gave a reading last month on a Tyrion Chapter in the upcoming THE WINDS OF WINTER.

 

Nothing much happens. But here's a summary.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Tyrion is playing cyvasse with Brown Ben, while they wait for 'Ser Grandfather's' army to sally forth and try to break the siege of Meereen. These two share banter with other of Brown Ben's staff about what's the worst thing about waiting for the battle to start, punctuated by the sound of the trebuchets as they fling more plague corpses into Meereen.

 

Brown Ben muses that the two dragons are wild cards which could attack anyything on either side during the battle. They assume Dany will return on the third dragon and speculate about rescuing the three hostages - Daario, the eunuch and the horse boy - and delivering them to Meereen thereby changing sides a second time but claiming that they only pretended to change sides before so as to learn the Yunkish plans. Tyrion thinks any skepticism about this will be outweighed by gratitude that he killed Dany's most dangerous enemy - Tywin. Just as Tyrion is about to win the cyvasse game Jorah bursts in with news of black sails in the bay (ironborn ships) flying dragon banners.
 

 

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post #1318 of 2477
5/14/12 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

 

ETA: Also, Theon is going so well this season that I'm actually really excited to see Quentyn Martell's plotline on the show. That could be so incredibly fun, if handled right.

 

Oh yeah. THIS.

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post #1319 of 2477
5/14/12 at 9:52am

I'm a fan of the series, and love 95% of everything they have done, but one thing I can not get over is the recasting of The Mountian that Rides.

 

I know his role has been greatly reduced, but I wonder if the reason they have kept him in the shadows this season is for the possibilty of Conan coming back to play him, because Ian Whyte does not look good, or any bit intimidating.   I wouldn't have mind them casting a big body builder this season, and just having him keep his helmet on (the one from season 1, hate the new helmet) the entire time and just dub in his lines. 

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post #1320 of 2477
5/14/12 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

I've heard everyone saying it should look like David Lynch, very specifically the way the Black Lodge was presented in Twin Peaks, or even the Club Silencio. This week's Spice King murder sequence suggests they got the note.

 

Haven't watched the latest episode yet, but this is VERY good to hear. This show's biggest problem so far, to me, is that it's sometimes in such a rush to get the plot moving along (combined with budget issues, obviously) that it tends to forget atmosphere or establishing a strong sense of place, and it's also so hung up on the "realistic" aspect that they seemed to be downplaying the fantastical stuff in S1. The shadowbaby gave me hope, but the House of the Undying reads SO awesomely on the page (and it's got so little to do with plot) that I was worried it wouldn't be handled well. And the David Lynch thing is very encouraging, that's exactly how it reads on the page...which is pretty impressive, really. I mean, to convey a David Lynch feel in prose, that's not something I would have thought would be easy to pull off.

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post #1321 of 2477
5/14/12 at 11:11am
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I'm a fan of the series, and love 95% of everything they have done, but one thing I can not get over is the recasting of The Mountian that Rides.

 

I know his role has been greatly reduced, but I wonder if the reason they have kept him in the shadows this season is for the possibilty of Conan coming back to play him, because Ian Whyte does not look good, or any bit intimidating.   I wouldn't have mind them casting a big body builder this season, and just having him keep his helmet on (the one from season 1, hate the new helmet) the entire time and just dub in his lines. 

 

Ian Whyte has a pretty cool Christopher Lee voice though.

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post #1322 of 2477
5/14/12 at 11:19am

What does Ser Gregor need to be other than a 6'10"-7' mass of a man? I didn't even realize they'd recast him until he spoke this episode.

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post #1323 of 2477
5/14/12 at 11:57am

Well, considering his name is The Mountain, I would think he should be built like a mountain.  Ian Whyte as Gregor, it looks like a guy is sitting on top another man's shoulders, something out of the Little Rascals.   I swear it looks like he is going to fall over.   It's a small nitpick, but one that bugs me.  Conan Stevens looked like a guy who would smash an infants head into the wall, Ian Whyte, not so much. 

 

The book describes him as a man of 30 stone, and swings a great sword with one hand.  The Mountain that Rides, not the Beanpole that Waddles. 

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post #1324 of 2477
5/14/12 at 1:07pm

Obviously, "You know nothing" was pretty great.

 

That look Roose gives Robb when he leaves the tent!

 

The entire scene with Jaime and Alton.. so well done.

 

Harrenhal exposition!

 

Loved this episode

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post #1325 of 2477
5/14/12 at 1:42pm
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Well, considering his name is The Mountain, I would think he should be built like a mountain.  Ian Whyte as Gregor, it looks like a guy is sitting on top another man's shoulders, something out of the Little Rascals.   I swear it looks like he is going to fall over.   It's a small nitpick, but one that bugs me.  Conan Stevens looked like a guy who would smash an infants head into the wall, Ian Whyte, not so much. 

 

That's because Whyte is heavily padded.  He's a huge guy himself, but he's more... lean.  Check him out as the White Walker in Winter is Coming, or as the main Predator in both AVP films.

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post #1326 of 2477
5/14/12 at 2:56pm

Pretty sure there was either some behind-the-scenes gubbery leading to Conan being ousted--he got a role somewhere else, maybe?--or else the producers just thought he wasn't suited to the more dialogue-heavy stuff in the coming seasons. I can't help but notice the scenes he got in S1 were played a little...broadly.
 

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post #1327 of 2477
5/14/12 at 3:00pm
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That's because Whyte is heavily padded.  He's a huge guy himself, but he's more... lean.  Check him out as the White Walker in Winter is Coming, or as the main Predator in both AVP films.


I know who he is, and I like his work but he was horribly miscast in this.  From what I read, Conan Steven's schedule on The Hobbit interfered and HBO was rushed to cast someone.  But, here's hoping he is back next year.  Outfits aren't helping Ian at all, clothes are hanging off him strangely.  You can tell there we tailored for someone else.

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post #1328 of 2477
5/14/12 at 4:49pm

Conan Stevens' schedule didn't get it in the way -- he wasn't even contacted about season 2.   There's clearly some issue between him and the people in charge.

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post #1329 of 2477
5/14/12 at 6:15pm

Rewatched the ep tonight.  The guy playing Theon is doing a great job, watching that final scene makes me want to weep for the tragedy he's made and the tragedy he's made of himself.

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post #1330 of 2477
5/14/12 at 7:43pm

SPOILER? MAYBE.

SPOILER

SPOILER

SPOILER

 

 

 

With no introduction of Reek/Ramsey thus far, how are they going to successfully pull off the entirety of Theon's truly tragic story?  It seems, with only three episodes left and Blackwater and House of Undying still to come this season, that they will put off a number of book two sequences until the third season.  I'm thinking of... 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

1. The Sack of Winterfell

2. The Fist of First Men
3. Arya's Weasel Soup at Harrenhall

 

 

Am I missing anything else?

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post #1331 of 2477
5/15/12 at 4:35am

It seems likely that yes, some of it's being put aside, and some of it's simply being skipped.

 

Ramsay has been mentioned but not shown, so he's out there...whether he shows up this season remains to be seen, but seems unlikely given no casting news.

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post #1332 of 2477
5/15/12 at 7:41am

 There is a casting report out there for season 3, that is looking for "male 20-30, but weird and extreme looking".  That really could be anyone, but people are suspecting that is for Ramsay Snow. 

 

If I had to guess, I think that Ramsay will be mentioned  as the man who sent an army to Winterfell to take it back.  Roose will show up, and be the one responsiable for the sacking of Winterfell (and blame it on Theon).  Season 3, Theon will be brought to Dreadfort where Ramsay is.

 

I can see the season ending with Robb getting married, Winterfell being sacked, and Jaime being freed.  I think seeing Winterfell in flames, intercut with Robb being wed would be a great closing moment.   

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post #1333 of 2477
5/15/12 at 8:01am

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Bear in mind Theon's not in book 3 at all. I think they're going to make some significant changes to the whole Reek business in order to give him more to do. I suspect next season will consist of Theon trying to hold Winterfell and doing a cruddy job, and end with Reek revealing himself and taking charge.

 

I'll be very surprised if we don't get some action on the Fist by the end of this season, though.
 

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post #1334 of 2477
5/15/12 at 8:26am

Spoiler.....................

 

 

Jaime wasn't in book 2 that much, and they basically played that out the same in season 2.  Just show Theon once in a while, being tortured.

Maybe even do a little more rewritting and have Robb go to Dreadfort and visit Theon.  Theon unable to talk and blame the Bolton's for the sack because his teeth are ripped out. 

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post #1335 of 2477
5/15/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post

SPOILER? MAYBE.

SPOILER

SPOILER

SPOILER

 

 

 

With no introduction of Reek/Ramsey thus far, how are they going to successfully pull off the entirety of Theon's truly tragic story?  It seems, with only three episodes left and Blackwater and House of Undying still to come this season, that they will put off a number of book two sequences until the third season.  I'm thinking of... 

 

SPOILER SPACE

 

Ramsay is in the show... He has been mentioned, so he will show up in Season 3. His Reek persona, however is most likely cut. NO BIG DEAL. It really has no effect on Theons plot. Besides, Dagmer seems to have taken the place of Reek, at least in the way he eggs on Theon to do bad things.

 

So the season will most likely end with A) Ramsay (hidden in armor) capturing Winterfell & Theon or B) Ramsay leading a siege outside Winterfell, capturing it & Theon in early season 3.

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post #1336 of 2477
5/15/12 at 12:18pm
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Spoiler.....................

 

 

Jaime wasn't in book 2 that much, and they basically played that out the same in season 2.  Just show Theon once in a while, being tortured.

 

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Theon's one of the main characters at this point. They can't reduce his role to "show him getting tortured once in a while" for TWO SEASONS before picking up the thread again. (I do think a lot of season 4 will be about Theon getting tortured, but even then there'll be more to it than that--they'll probably move some of the events of book 5 back to this period of time.) Yes, Jaime's been marginalized but we're starting to see him again, and he'll probably be getting more to do soon (I suspect he and Brienne will be starting their journey before the season is out). Meanwhile, characters who are barely in book 2, like Tywin and Littlefinger, but who have become vital to the show, have been given extra scenes. That's just the way TV shows work, barring the occasional stroke of luck.

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post #1337 of 2477
5/15/12 at 12:27pm

SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

Oh man, what if Theon is captured, taken the Dreadfort, and forced to share a cell with a disgusting ruin of a man who keeps calling himself "Reek." Then, towards the end of the season, after Ramsay's killed that Reek out of boredom (or hell maybe have have that whole Lady Whoeatsherfingers plot line play out) we would have Theon, a ruin of a man, calling himself "Reek." Circular! As George Lucas would say, it's like poetry, because it rhymes. 

 

I don't know, I'm just spit balling because its fun. Also because I'm crossing my fingers and hoping my Game of Thrones spec script goes somewhere. So please excuse me if I get all "fan fictiony" in this thread. 

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post #1338 of 2477
5/15/12 at 12:50pm
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

Oh man, what if Theon is captured, taken the Dreadfort, and forced to share a cell with a disgusting ruin of a man who keeps calling himself "Reek." Then, towards the end of the season, after Ramsay's killed that Reek out of boredom (or hell maybe have have that whole Lady Whoeatsherfingers plot line play out) we would have Theon, a ruin of a man, calling himself "Reek." Circular! As George Lucas would say, it's like poetry, because it rhymes. 

 

I don't know, I'm just spit balling because its fun. Also because I'm crossing my fingers and hoping my Game of Thrones spec script goes somewhere. So please excuse me if I get all "fan fictiony" in this thread. 

 

WINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIEWINORDIE

 

Or Theon could be locked up with "Reek," who mentally and physically runs him through the wringer, and who is then revealed to be Ramsay in disguise, having convinced Theon that he is now Reek.

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post #1339 of 2477
5/15/12 at 12:54pm
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Theon's one of the main characters at this point. They can't reduce his role to "show him getting tortured once in a while" for TWO SEASONS before picking up the thread again. (I do think a lot of season 4 will be about Theon getting tortured, but even then there'll be more to it than that--they'll probably move some of the events of book 5 back to this period of time.) Yes, Jaime's been marginalized but we're starting to see him again, and he'll probably be getting more to do soon (I suspect he and Brienne will be starting their journey before the season is out). Meanwhile, characters who are barely in book 2, like Tywin and Littlefinger, but who have become vital to the show, have been given extra scenes. That's just the way TV shows work, barring the occasional stroke of luck.

 

You could be 100% right that they stretch his hold of Winterfell into season 3, I'm just saying, considering Jaime's role this season and what we know will happen to his arch, I wouldn't put it past the show to toss him aside for 7 episodes.  I for one can't wait for Theon to get his. 

 

Anyone else get confused when the teaser for episode 8 played?  Two more episodes?  Till the season is over?  Till the finale?  I think someone screwed up at HBO. 

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post #1340 of 2477
5/15/12 at 1:11pm

SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE

 

That REEK crap is so tedious and useless in the books. There is NO NEED for such a character. It adds NOTHING to the saga that three people have had the Reek nickname. How about Ramsay just calls Theon Reek because... he reeks? Why over-complicate it.

 

As for what do do with Theon in season 3/4. I would just cut him out cimpletely. He is not a major character on the level of Jaime. Leave his fate a surprise for season 5.

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post #1341 of 2477
5/15/12 at 1:20pm

Spoiler.....................

 

 

I wouldn't even mind him being gone for most of season 3, only to reappear at the end of season 4 as Reek.  Show him being lead into the depths of Dreadfort, only to reappear a season later as an unrecognizable thing named Reek.  With so many new characters on the horizon, Theon isn't needed until way in the future.  With some good FX work they could leave Reek's indentity a mystery until he meets up with his sister and confesses who he is.  Make it a shocking moment where the audience feels sympathy for him (and the possible fate that awaits him in the hands of Stannis).

 

 

With Jon Snow, are we going to find out that the Qhorin and such were captured by the Wildlings and that is why Jon couldn't find them? 

Cool to see Rattleshirt in the preview, and I wonder if later, instead of making it "magic" that allowed Mance to look like Rattleshirt, if they just have him wear his gear and pose as him?


Edited by Monster Pete - 5/15/12 at 1:55pm
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post #1342 of 2477
5/15/12 at 2:32pm

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I wouldn't MIND if Theon vanishes for two seasons (though his storyline is busy enough in book five that it makes sense to move some of it forward) but TV has other concerns. Among them, Alfie Allen needs work. And fans of the show bitched enough this season over Dany's minimal role in the first four episodes, or, in some quarters, Jaime's absence for five episodes. There's just no way they're going to ditch the character for that long.
 

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post #1343 of 2477
5/15/12 at 2:35pm

If they cut Tormund Giantsbane, me and me member are going on a spree of some kind.

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post #1344 of 2477
5/15/12 at 2:50pm

Well, they'll have a lot more screentime and, presumably, more money (remember, S2 was greenlit soon after S1 started airing, so it wasn't a confirmed success the way it is now). So I'm guessing they'll be fewer excised cast members, and we'll see the return of some characters who have already been cut--Reek for sure, I'm betting the Reeds will be added since Bran's plotline needs to be fleshed out, and we may even get the elusive Blackfish...
 

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post #1345 of 2477
5/15/12 at 4:23pm
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If they cut Tormund Giantsbane, me and me member are going on a spree of some kind.

Word on the street yo' is that THIS dude went in for an audition...

 

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post #1346 of 2477
5/15/12 at 4:50pm

There's absolutely no need for the Reeds to show up. 

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post #1347 of 2477
5/15/12 at 5:00pm

Eeeh, I was never that big a fan of the Reeds either, but depending on whether or not Howland Reed turns out to be important...

 

Plus, I trust the show runners to actually make them interesting. And if Osha is taking Rickon away, Bran's gonna need someone besides Hodor to interact with. 

 

Speaking of, what a perfect delivery on that second "Heh. Hodor." 

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post #1348 of 2477
5/15/12 at 5:06pm

But I want them, dammit! frown.gif

 

 

Tonks and HODOR are just fine traveling companions, and Osha is a  fine exposition fairy when needed (and apparently GRRM is a huge fan of Natalia Tena, bless his good taste), but I don't know, Bran's storyline could benefit from interaction with kids his own age, assuming that he and Rickon won't be splitting up in the show.

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post #1349 of 2477
5/15/12 at 5:07pm

Well there's no "need" for a lot of characters to be there--I mean, Osha is technically a FAR less important character than the Reeds--but there are a few plot tangles that they would help resolve. The Howland Reed thing is one, the mysticism is another, and the need for companionship for Bran is a third, assuming Rickon is headed off somewhere else. As has been mentioned, Osha can fill their role to an extent, but it would be a little weird for her to head up north of the wall when she had been very studiously heading south to avoid the White Walkers in the first place. I mean, there's ways around all this, but since they're going to need to give Bran more to do in S3 and 4 anyway, they may as well give him some of his supporting players.
 

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post #1350 of 2477
5/15/12 at 5:16pm

SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILER

 

The Reeds only exist as guides for Bran.  Simply replace their little premonitions with dreams for Bran and there ya go -- you've saved a considerably amount of screen time that could go to other characters and plot lines.  Osha's already going to replace them heading North.

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