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The big issue is that the House of Undying is light on plot. Until Dany actually comes face to face with the Undying themselves there's nothing that's strictly "needed" for the story--it's all about a cool, atmospheric horror sequence with lots of foreshadowing hints (and even then, some of them just seem to be there for the sake of being freaky rather than strictly prophetic. Did anyone ever determine if there was a deeper meaning to the naked woman being nibbled to death by tiny rat-men? Which, incidentally, I found to be the CREEPIEST FUCKING THING in a very disturbing sequence.)

D&D have shown to be more "cut to the chase" kinda guys. They don't even spend much time on potentially awesome action sequences (the most recent episode excluded), let alone some of the cool details that make this feel like an alien, fantastical world (Qarth has its moments, but it's generally been a little too boring for my taste). So I feel like the long, dread-soaked journey to the inner sanctum might be cut and we'll jump right to the Undying. I'd be very disappointed if that's the case. But then, as has been mentioned, they do have a lot of time in this episode, and there are characters we don't really need to see, so maybe they can spare the screentime to do it right. I hope I hope I hope...

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Oh, here's a weird, random thought: I wonder if Pyat Pree the Multiple Man is setting up that the Undying will ALL be the same guy, repeated over and over again? Not only would it save on budget, it'll be nicely creepy and weird.
 

Beinoff and Weiss have revealed a list of some of the new characters that will appear in Season 3.  Reed kids confirmed; B&W confirm in an interview snippet that neither of them have been written out.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game-of-throne-season-3-cast/

Ooh! EW is announcing a bunch of new characters added for S3--and this isn't even the complete list of new characters, but it seems to include just about everyone who was left out of S2, including Edmure Tully and the Blackfish, the Reeds, Lady Selyse and Shireen (except I thought we already saw Mrs. Stannis on the beach?) and, rather surprisingly, Oleanna "Maid of Thorns" Redwyne (who I thought for sure was cut, her character folded into Margaery). They also mistakenly likst Beric Dondarrion as a "new" character, since we did see him in S1 even though everyone's probably forgotten about him by now. I dunno if they're going to recast? I was surprised they bothered to show him, honestly, since I thought they could easily have him "hired" by Ned offscreen. Also confirmed are Daario Noharis, Mance Rayder (duh), Thoros of Myr, and Tormund Giantsbane.

The big missing link so far is Ramsay Snow-Bolton, but it's pretty obvious we are going to see him--maybe even in the next episode.

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Looks like my speculation about the budget getting big enough to add a lot more characters was probably correct. Of course, given how brutally the cast is going to be cut down by the end of S4, adding some new faces might just end up balancing things out...

We see Stannis' wife on the beach, yes, but very briefly as he takes her hand and walks back to the keep.  Easy role to recast if they had to.

Not sure if Beric's inclusion is an editorial oversight or an indication that the part has been recast.  Interesting.

Also assumed that Olenna would be folded into the more obviously savvy Margaery to keep things simple, but it will be delightful to see her.  Even more so if Maggie Smith, a fan favorite for the part, is cast.

Thereby upping the Downton Abbey/GoT crossover audience even further!

If they do recast Selyse and Beric, I'll honestly be a little annoyed. It would have been incredibly easy just to leave those characters out of it entirely so they didn't run into that problem. I mean, they had the foresight to give Jaqen a hood in S1, why not think through the same thing with these characters?
 

Also, it's nice to have lots of characters, but the thing is, you have to give them things to do in a screen adaptation as opposed to a book, and it adds to the show's budget. Admittedly, so far the show has done wonders with beefed up roles for characters like Tywin and Bronn, but they can't keep doing that for EVERY secondary character. And as much as people love Oleanna, I wouldn't have minded losing her if the cost of hiring Maggie Smith means they have to shortchange, say, Dany's rampage around Slaver's Bay.

Ehhh, I'd be a little more annoyed in Beric's case because it's obviously him in that scene when Ned gives the command and the actor has a few close up shots, but Selyse is a bit more forgivable if her recasting is, again, also true.  I can't even remember if there's a good shot of her in that scene aside from Stannis taking her hand.  Even as a book reader myself I don't know if I'd recognize that the role had been recast because she's just in that one scene for a tiny bit.

Another character I'm wondering if we'll ever see: Patchface. I know this is kind of a weird fixation on a character whose entire existence so far seems to be for the sake of a very minor plot point (the Lannister's comeback to the accusation of Joff being an incest-bastard) but the amount of weight Martin gave to his introduction, plus the fact that he pops up again in book 5, makes it seem like Martin's got something planned for him.

You're right, even though Selyse was nominally in the beach scene we could write her off as "just some lady". But even in S1 I was like, "Wow, really, they're going to drag out Beric with a big flashing sign reading "THIS DUDE WILL BE IMPORTANT LATER" even though it means the actor won't be seen again until S3 at the earliest?" That just seemed like poor planning--unless they do get the same actor to come back, in which case it becomes awesome.

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Not convinced that the only reason the character exists is to further minor plot points like Lannister rumor-mongering. Patchface's random asides are eerily prescient. He predicted the Red Wedding at some point, did he not? Pretty sure at one point in Dance, Melissandre even mentions that she thinks he is "dangerous", and that she's seen him in her flames either surrounded by skulls or lips red with blood.

Well, uh, yeah, that was my point. It sort of seems like he's going to be important. But in terms of what he's actually added to the story so far, not much.

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You're right, even though Selyse was nominally in the beach scene we could write her off as "just some lady". But even in S1 I was like, "Wow, really, they're going to drag out Beric with a big flashing sign reading "THIS DUDE WILL BE IMPORTANT LATER" even though it means the actor won't be seen again until S3 at the earliest?" That just seemed like poor planning--unless they do get the same actor to come back, in which case it becomes awesome.

This is true, but I'd also note that we did see The Mountain get replaced between-seasons, and he had (a bit) more screentime than Beric did.  Though as I recall, Beric did get at least one intelligible line.

Would be interested to know why the original actor didn't return if this is true.  Scheduling?  Maybe they just found someone else who suited the part better for the character's role in the third season?  I mean, if they wanted more time to find someone closer to shooting they could have had Ned issue the order for Clegane with Beric off-screen (while still naming him and making it clear what he was going to do), especially since he's not in the first season quite as much as he is in the book with his other small appearances.  Parts, especially more minor ones, have been recast before for reasons that have little to do with the actor.  It's a little irritating sometimes, but it happens.

The change of Mountains was an unplanned necessity; there was no particular reason to think Conan Stevens wouldn't be back for S2 when they cast him. Something went wrong, it happens, blah blah blah. But casting a guy and giving him a big moment in the spotlight when you know you won't see him for two more seasons (or more!) and not making plans to bring back the actor? That's kind of weird.

Like I say, it's not so much that they may have to recast, it's that they couldn't have seen this coming and avoided it easily.
 

I wouldn't say it was a big moment more than it was a few short lines in a small-ish scene (I can't even remember if he was named, actually, even if it's clear that the guy is Beric from the books) but it definitely was more than they needed to give him before the role became prominent.  Casual television watchers probably won't know - I doubt many of them will remember this guy was even in the first season - but when you follow these shows and know every bit of news recastings can definitely cause some wincing when you notice them.

Speaking of the third season...he's technically not a new character, but I wonder if Barristan Selmy will finally be re-introduced?

Christ, I hope so. 

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Beinoff and Weiss have revealed a list of some of the new characters that will appear in Season 3.  Reed kids confirmed; B&W confirm in an interview snippet that neither of them have been written out.

 

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game-of-throne-season-3-cast/

 

 

Edmure Tully-- brash? That makes him sound a lot cooler than the ineffectual dipshit he turns out to be.

I pretty much had no doubt they were going to recast Beric, given his five seconds of screen time in S1. Glad we're finally going to get some Thoros action... Everybody's got his favorite minor characters in the books-- the Brotherhood are mine.

Jesus, they're going to run out of British character actors to cast after a while, aren't they?

I'm actually a bit worried about all the new Season 3 characters being announced. Why? Because I think Season 2 has had a tough time dealing with all the characters it has - and then we add so many more. 

It would be fine if lots were killed off (like season 1), but book 2 is not heavy in the deaths department. I'm concerned about the pacing of the season.

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There will be plenty of new characters, but we are also going to see the departure of many as well. 

It's really kind of lose-lose for the producers. It would take a masterful job of juggling to keep all these story lines and characters intact without the series becoming far too dense and cluttered for the average viewer. Cut anything major from the books, though, and not only do you get an outcry from the Martin faithful, you potentially fuck up a lot of story threads that Martin has not woven together yet. Seems like the show's writers could put themselves into a corner real fast that way.

Of course, I suspect Martin already wrote himself into a similar corner long ago-- hence the cluttered, drawn-out and dissatisfying nature of the last two books. I could be wrong-- but then, I wrote off ASOIAF in disgust  after "Crows" and only picked it up again when the TV series came out...  Don't hate me.

If nothing else, the show is going to remain interesting for years to come just to see if this can even be pulled off.

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's gonna be difficult for here on out but these guys have done a masterful job with this series. I think they know where they're headed, and wouldn't attempt something this big without it. I know, I know, many a shows obviously go sour, but they have the material, they know what's happening. George himself has said he has spoken with D&D about a lot of what's going to happen in the following books, which therefore allows them to eliminate characters that aren't going to be important later on. Also like it's been said, a good chunk of people will meet their demise that season. I have faith in them for sure. Now pull this post up in a year and we'll see if I feel the same, here's hoping yes.

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There will be plenty of new characters, but we are also going to see the departure of many as well. 

The departure of who??? Not until the end of season 3.

They keep adding 5-10 characters for everyone they kill. That pace cannot be maintained. They must cut out entire subplots or the series risks collapsing on itself.

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They keep adding 5-10 characters for everyone they kill. That pace cannot be maintained. They must cut out entire subplots or the series risks collapsing on itself.

Could not agree more...

I was skimming the AV Club thread about this EW article, and was surprised at how many commenters there were positively giddy that the Reed siblings are going to be introduced next season. As wrote above, I know everyone has his favorite minor characters, but for fuck's sake--

If I remember the books right, the Reeds have already appeared by the point we've now reached in the show-- before Theon takes Winterfell, even (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm mistaken-- haven't read the books in a while).

I thought the show was doing a damned good job of folding the Reeds' "special insight" into prophetic dreams and shit into Osha's character. She could essentially serve the same purpose for Bran over the course of the series. But now we're going to take time out of an already-crowded third season to work them in? So they can spear some frogs and make a bunch of cryptic statements? Spare me.

And that's just one example. As Hyperspace says, the introduction of new characters far outweighs the ones who exit. Book-wise, it gets particularly bad with ADWD (don't get me started)... Eventually, something's got to  give in the HBO adaptation, and some major stuff is going to have to go.

EDIT: The Prankster also makes a compelling point... But "Storm of Swords" is still looking pretty crowded, even spread over two seasons.

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Hyperspace...Imma spoiler this even though we're in the spoiler thread because it's just so huge...but in re: character deaths:

 

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That's a pretty substantial chunk of the cast. And those are all MAJOR characters, whereas most of the ones who are being added--like Thoros or Edmure or Vargo Hoat--are fairly small roles and would only be in a couple of episodes. Like, they don't have to give Thoros additional screentime the way they did with, say, Tywin or Bronn.

Yes, I know book 3 has a fair amount of deaths. But book 2 doesn't - only Renly really. And those book 3 deaths will not occur until the end of season 3, and some into season 4. Meanwhile we just added 10 or so characters at the start of season 3. Do you see the problem?

I think they can solve it - but they have to be REALLY careful.

I was excited to see some of the names in the "season 3" list - but many of them would have been chopped or combined if I was running things. The Reeds serve no real purpose other than passing time for Bran. Olenna Tyrell can be combined into Margery. I would have combined the Blackfish and Edmure. And so on.

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Hyperspace...Imma spoiler this even though we're in the spoiler thread because it's just so huge...but in re: character deaths:

 

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Here's a PARTIAL list of who cacks it in book three:

Robb
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Balon Greyjoy
Ygritte
Tywin
Shae
The Mountain
Jeor Mormont

On top of which, Bronn, Varys and a few others basically vanish from the narrative, despite being still alive.

That's a pretty substantial chunk of the cast. And those are all MAJOR characters, whereas most of the ones who are being added--like Thoros or Edmure or Vargo Hoat--are fairly small roles and would only be in a couple of episodes. Like, they don't have to give Thoros additional screentime the way they did with, say, Tywin or Bronn.

THIS. If memory serves me doesn't The Hound "die" as well next season as well. And if the book is sliced correctly, most deaths will end up occuring in the third season anyway. I love they added Olenna, it adds more to Sansa's story and being that you never meet many Tyrell's it's a welcome addition. She's also going to be in probably only one episode, same for Selyse and Shireen in a couple, and Vargo in a couple.

On the Reeds subject yet again, they could of cut them out, I am surprised they added them, however don't forget about the eventual introduction of Howland and the fact that at some point Osha and Rickon will be written off to go to Skagos. it would make no sense to me to simply keep them together, seeing as I'm sure something interesting happens with Davos when he goes to retrieve Rickon come the 6th book.

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THIS. If memory serves me doesn't The Hound "die" as well next season as well. And if the book is sliced correctly, most deaths will end up occuring in the third season anyway. I love they added Olenna, it adds more to Sansa's story and being that you never meet many Tyrell's it's a welcome addition. She's also going to be in probably only one episode, same for Selyse and Shireen in a couple, and Vargo in a couple.

 

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We don't see the Hound die, but it's strongly inferred. 

Also, have they confirmed that they're splittings the season yet? Because if that's the case, then the flood of new characters might be more manageable. 

It's all but confirmed. That's pretty much what Martin, Weiss, and Benioff have been saying for a little while now. Although I'm pretty sure it's not like SOS=2 seasons, but more that the books will stop equalling one season. Jaime and Brienne in this season is just a taste of some of the timeshifting I think we can expect going forward. I think it's a cagey, probably necessary decision, considering how fractured everything continues to get.

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We don't see the Hound die, but it's strongly inferred. 

But also later strongly indicated that that inference might be wrong.

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So, Stannis has a daughter now?

Uh..he always did have one.

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But also later strongly indicated that that inference might be wrong.

Yeah, there's hints, and it totally wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't, because Martin looooooooooves doing that whole "THEY'RE DEAD, REALLY, THEY ARE FINE DON"T BELIEVE ME" only to later be like "BOO-YAH, I GOTS YAS, THEY NOT DEAD!"  It's like...clearly his favorite thing to do, other than describe how people break their fasts. 

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Uh..he always did have one.

In the books he did, but they sort of pointed out in the 2nd episode that it was just him and his wife.

 Mel says his wife has only given him still borns and death.

Oh, you were talking about the show. Yeah, I thought it was weird that Shreen was added in. You could argue that Melisandre was specifically talking about an heir, and Stannis probably doesn't really consider Shrieen a proper heir, due to her disfigurement. Nobody's probably ever going to want to marry her (poor thing) and so it wouldn't allow his name to live on blah blah blah. Let's face it, dude wants a boy.

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In terms of The Hound, this is why I placed the die in "" since he techincally doesn't die. Do we even think the show is going to later mention that he might be alive or just keep it ambogious until the end. I barely remember a lot of Feast in terms of Brienne's chapters so never realized what the graveyard scene was insinuating until after the fct.\

As for the splitting, I thought it was almost common knowledge that the book will be split, with the 4th season being a mixture of the latter of the 3rd and the beginning of the 4th for some characters.

Apparently they are using books 3 - 5, and just laying the entire story out and deciding based on events and such, how it should lay out from season to season.

season 3 will obviously be events from book 3, but after that, I think it will be a strong mixture of everything.  They may even move certain plots along faster, move other's more slowly, and maybe even have characters and events occur earlier in the show then they did in the book. 

I was paying attention when Mel and Stan had their conversation about children, and she says "Your wife has given you no sons, only stillborns." Which left room for a daughter by implication as far as I'm concerned. I guess they might have tapdanced around it since they didn't know if they'd have the budget to fill out the cast in coming seasons and wanted room to cut Shirreen if they had to.

As for the Reeds, I don't think they're going to be a drag on the narrative the way people are suggesting. Bran's plot from here out consists of wandering around the countryside with a six (seven?) year old and a basically mute giant. It's not going to hurt to give him new characters to interact with, and the Reeds might even add to the plot, which will be needed for Bran. Plus, they sort of suggest Meera Reed as a love interest for him.

Again: most of these new characters are going to be support players who won't be demanding their own screentime the way some of the other expanded characters have. The only ones who might do so are the Reeds (who'll be sharing their screentime with Bran, so no real change there), Daario, and Oleanna (Oleanna being the only one whose existence I question). The characters who might box in the showrunners have already been introduced: Osha, Talisa, Jaqen (I have no idea what they're going to do with him for the remaining show, though I suppose his shape-shifting makes it easy to recast him), Bronn...THESE are the characters who are going to complicate things by demanding more plot points and screentime as the series goes on.

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I don't understand the feeling that the Reeds are any less important to the plot than either Osha or Jaqen, popular characters whose roles people haven't questioned.  Osha only serves, for the most part, as a reminder that the wildlings are fleeing from an imminent threat - one that will soon be at the doorsteps of the seven kingdoms.  Beyond that she has served no critical duty, certainly not one that couldn't have been performed by the Reeds (and was, in fact, performed by the Reeds in the books as Osha was off with Rickon).  Despite that, I still enjoy having her on the show as Natalia Tena is a great actress and the character brings a bit of practical wisdom to characters who have yet to experience the greater horrors that approach from the north.

Jaqen has served solely as a source of power for Arya in the absence of Needle.  Through Jaqen, Arya is learning about the consequences of having power over life and death - her saving his life gave her the means by which to escape her predicament in Harrenhal and taking the wrong lives helped prolonged the war (imagine if she had named more critical targets...); he is but another in a long line of teachers - Syrio, Jaqen, The Hound, etc.  Again, outside of that role, he isn't integral to the larger plot (as of yet).

For these reasons, it seems strange to me that people don't seem to value the crucial role the Reeds, and in particular Jojen Reed, plays in helping Bran explore his powers and in encouraging him to travel north beyond the wall to meet his destiny.  If you cut out the Reeds you have to find some other way to have Bran come upon the realization that he needs to travel beyond the wall and that can get tricky.  Sooner or later the show will have to explain the wolf dreams, the three-eyed crow, and all the rest, and this is the main role the Reeds played in the books (it was Howland Reed himself who sent his kids to tutor/guide Bran in his self-discovery).  Besides, it may be through Bran that we get some answers in regards to past events such as 1) Did Rhaegar abduct Lyanna or did she run off with him, 2) Who is Jon's mother and why did Ned supposedly lie about his parentage, and 3) Where do the White Walkers come from?

As for the number of characters that may be on screen in season 3, I thought this was something that book readers were always going to be aware of.  Storm of Swords is a monstrous tome exactly because there are so many characters and plot threads.  It also turns out to be the most popular of the books so far, so in terms of the books the sheer number of characters hasn't turned people off.  For the show, however, a little (or a lot) of trimming will no doubt have to take place, and splitting the book into multiple seasons was always an obvious remedy to this problem.  I've also heard that there may (and I repeat, may) be a couple of extra episodes per season (12 vs 10) to help alleviate the logjam, but they can certainly pull away from a few characters for a while - Arya (she doesn't do anything of note, just witnesses events take place until she heads off to Braavos), Sam and company (their stuff after the Fist - Craster, Coldhands, Gilly) may get pushed back to season 4), and Theon being a few.  In fact, I see a number of ways they could go with this.  The wildling assault on the Wall could be either season 4 or 5.  They could rewrite the entire episode with Jeor being killed by his men and have him killed by White Walkers instead.  I don't think we should be surprised by any fairly moderate to large deviations from the book at this point for the purpose of streamlining the plot.

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I've also heard that there may (and I repeat, may) be a couple of extra episodes per season (12 vs 10) to help alleviate the logjam

No, no, and no. I don't know where people keep coming up with this - but we won't be getting more than 10 episode per season. The show creators have said this MANY times now. Everyone needs to accept it and move on.

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No, no, and no. I don't know where people keep coming up with this - but we won't be getting more than 10 episode per season. The show creators have said this MANY times now. Everyone needs to accept it and move on.

To repeat what Parker said, calm down.  First, the idea of extra eps isn't offensive in any way.  To mention that there was speculation, even on the part of the producers, that this was an option is in no way offensive.  Now, if I had said something to the effect of "If this damned show doesn't have at least 12 episodes next season I'm never going to watch again," then you would be justified in that reaction.  In fact, I'm curious as to where all this supposed rampant demanding of more episodes is coming from that you lose your cool at the mention of 12 eps?  I'll just leave you with this...

Jules: Nobody's gonna hurt anybody. We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like? Come on what's Fonzie like?
Yolanda: Cool?

Jules: What?

Yolanda: He's cool.

Jules: Correctamundo.  And that's what we're gonna be.

You and me, Hyperspace.  Two little Fonzies. :)

But I wanna fight about this.

Wait, there's going to be 12 episodes next season!!!! 

http://winteriscoming.net/2012/06/shireen-cast/

A young actress best known for portraying Matilda on the stage, Kelly Ingram, has been cast as Shireen.  She announced that she had won a role on her twitter and responded "yes" when a fan asked if she was cast as Shireen.  Here's a picture:

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The Hound isn't dead. He is clearly revealed in the fourth book, A FEAST FOR CROWS, as being in seclusion and serving the monks on...that island. Brienne and company pass him by; he's a big, silent man digging graves. Martin, ever the master of the subtle hint, gives us the final clue by having a dog - GET IT? - coming up to Sandor and Clegane gives the dog a pat.

Also, Prankster: that creepy image of the naked lady and the rats? Fan consensus is that the woman represents Westeros, and the rats the five royal claimants.

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Holy crap, wait a minute, I know he's a minor minor MINOR character and that's probably why his casting hasn't been announced, but could they ditch Edric Storm entirely and have Stannis be tempted to sacrifice his own DAUGHTER? I mean, that automatically makes him a MUCH worse person, but I wonder if maybe that's the path they'll take...

EDIT: And aw, even Robb is considered a rat man? Damn judgemental house of the undying warlock vision masters! 

That does make sense in context, since even the "good" contenders for the throne (...which basically comes down to just Robb) are hurting Westeros by fighting over it when there are White Walkers a-comin'.

Still, that's pretty oblique compared to the other visions, which are actually pretty straightforward (almost disappointingly so) once you've realized what they mean in retrospect. If the show wants to surreal it up all in the Undying's grill, I'd be cool with that. (The second freakiest moment for me in that sequence is the bit where all the friendly, laughing wizards invite her in and she realizes that it's actually the wrong door. And you're left to wonder what kind of horrible thing would have happened if she'd gone in. Somehow the friendly, jovial scene makes it all the more horrific to contemplate.)
 

Oh man, it would be incredible if they included those laughing wizards in the episode.  So unsettling when it's left to the imagination what would've happened had Dany walked over.

I'm still curious to see how they show the Undying.  Will we see their true forms?  Will their false forms all be Pyat Pree instead, since we've seen that supernatural visual already?