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post #1 of 145
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About five minutes in, I wanted it to end.

 

Everything about this movie screams "obligation." Depp is borderline embarrassing in this. He's clearly not playing a character anymore, just a set of affectations. And Rob Marshall is no Gore Verbinski - the movie stops at a HALT whenever Depp's Sparrow starts riffing. There was enough mayhem in the Verbinski movies that Sparrow seemed like part of the atmosphere. Here, Marshall just yields to Depp to say whatever comes off the top of his head.

 

They made a big mistake letting go of Verbinski. They have a number of wacky, convoluted action set pieces like in the previous films, but instead of the manic, cartoon vibe of the earlier films, this thing is edited so poorly that it's just a slog, and every goofy bit ("It's in HIS hand, no it's in THAT guy's hand, where did that dynamite come from?" etc.) plays like a funeral march. Shorter than the other films, but it feels so much longer, made worse by what is clearly a much smaller budget. No sea monsters this time, and a whole lot of bad sets and shitty lighting.

Also, Sam Claflin playing Orlando Bloom essentially... this guy makes Bloom look like the most exciting actor in Hollywood.

Worst of all? It's not funny. At all. The audience sat through it mostly silent, no applause, no big laughter, nothing.

 

Good score, though. Zimmer with some guitar work by Rodrigo Y Gabriela.

 

Oh, and, for the eight billionth time, FUCK the 3D.

post #2 of 145

OK, the most important question for me:  Did Jack Sparrow's raven locks sway in the ocean breeze?

post #3 of 145

Haaaaa I knew it!  FUCK THIS FRANCHISE!!!!!

post #4 of 145

Shorter? I'd read it was 2 hours 20 min, so not much.

 

And: no fucking surprise this is awful. I'm still curious what a few other reviewers have to say, but my interest in this was middling lukewarm at its peak.

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Oh, and, for the eight billionth time, FUCK the 3D.


You Sir, are my hero.
 

 

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They made a big mistake letting go of Verbinski.

 

They didn't really let him go. He chose to go.

 

Sorry to hear this is terrible. I was holding out some hope.

post #7 of 145

How's McShane?  My hope/interest for this film kind of lay entirely with him.  

post #8 of 145

You can feel the stultification of this franchise in the trailer. Not at all surprised by this verdict.

post #9 of 145

How do you think people will react to this? Do you think it'll do well? I get the sense that even Joe Moviegoer is burnt out on this franchise, going beyond three movies in such a short time feels pretty desperate (fourth movies always tend to feel pretty desperate anyway) and as mentioned, the trailer makes it look pretty cheap.

 

But then, I'm rooting for this movie not to give Thor much competition, so I may be biased.

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How do you think people will react to this? Do you think it'll do well? I get the sense that even Joe Moviegoer is burnt out on this franchise, going beyond three movies in such a short time feels pretty desperate (fourth movies always tend to feel pretty desperate anyway) and as mentioned, the trailer makes it look pretty cheap.

 

But then, I'm rooting for this movie not to give Thor much competition, so I may be biased.


It's going to hurt Thor regardless, since it'll no doubt be taking over a whole bunch of those premium (Faux) IMAX 3D (and regular 3D) screens.  I suspect this summer season is going to be ruthless with the turnaround on those screens, and it may end up dragging down a lot of the "final tally" domestic grosses for various films.

 

I suspect a big opening weekend followed by a really sharp drop-off.  Then again, it could turn around and do Alice in Wonderland numbers based on Depp's fanbase alone, so I guess we'll see.

post #11 of 145

This movie is guaranteed to do at least 250+ Due to the name and Depp alone.

post #12 of 145
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How's McShane?  My hope/interest for this film kind of lay entirely with him.  


I might be alone on this, but, had I not seen and LOVED McShane in Deadwood, I would be absolutely DONE with him at this point as far as onscreen roles. The guy's post-Deadwood parts feel like he's reading lines while sitting in a recliner, and this was no different.

post #13 of 145

So based on their experience with this, Marshall and Depp are going to remake the Thin Man? Fuck.

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I might be alone on this, but, had I not seen and LOVED McShane in Deadwood, I would be absolutely DONE with him at this point as far as onscreen roles. The guy's post-Deadwood parts feel like he's reading lines while sitting in a recliner, and this was no different.

 

Not completely alone, though I did enjoy his performance on Kings.  I figured Blackbeard would allow for him to play the Swearengen-esque bravura again.  Sad to hear that that's not the case.

 

post #15 of 145

You know I usually watch these Summer sequel Blockbusters, Good or Bad. Mainly because of continuity and because I have time on my hands. But i am seriously considering giving this a miss. I wasn't crazy about the previous Pirate films and this is looking to be 141 mins of tedious shit.

 

I've already seen Priest. One shitty movie this Summer is enough for me.

post #16 of 145

I like Rob Marshall for some reason -- I know he's not terribly interesting or anything, but I actually enjoyed Nine (which I know puts me in a rather miniscule minority). But to be honest, I don't know how ANYBODY could reinvigorate this franchise. I'm glad Marshall's getting another good project with Depp (Thin Man) off of this installment, but this one was going to be awful before they even started. Who else thinks this will be the last one? Even Depp seems to be getting lukewarm about doing another...

post #17 of 145

Drew has his review up. Confirms what's said above: avoid it and mourn the whoring out of the franchise's corpse.

post #18 of 145
I enjoyed it, but advance word led to drastically lowered expectations. About half way through, this series finally learns that Geoffrey Rush is as vital as Depp. Really, if you look at the whole, the story is fully about Barbossa seeking revenge on Blackbeard, with Sparrow only along for the ride.

Major props to ILM. I can't think of a bad FX shot in the film.
post #19 of 145

Drew just guts this film what a marvelous review. Marshall is an interesting filmmaker he seems to helm beautiful films (Chicago, Geisha) production wise but there is so little thought or nuance to his work its glaring when you get him on a huge tent pole release like this and an actor like Depp.

 

I like McShane and Rush and really can only stand the first film as I think this series is a joke for any so called characters in the last few films (only Sparrow registers as interesting how is that possible?) but Penelope Cruz is actually the deal breaker for me on even watching this movie ever.

 

She looks annoying as hell and I haven't tolerated her since Vanilla Sky.

post #20 of 145

If I had remembered that Marshall directed GEISHA I would have never been able to muster even a "meh" for this film.  A terrible, terrible movie that still haunts me for the time I'll never get back. I'd rather watch REVENGE OF THE FALLEN again than GEISHA, and that's saying something.

post #21 of 145

So should I expect something of a diverting trifle here? Because I think I'll enjoy it if it's just a bunch of piratey ruckus that passes the time. Dead Man's Chest was like that, and that was pretty good for me.

 

Or is it an endurance battle? Like trying to watch At World's End a third time? The worst thing about that is I feel like I have to watch it if I watch Dead Mans Chest, because it's the second half of the story, but it just fucking kills me to try and wade through its failures for three hours.

 

Does it have good visual design elements? Or does it look like a bunch of cheap shit? 

 

Oddly, what I'm most excited for its Rush. He's always been the Steve Nash of this series.

post #22 of 145
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So should I expect something of a diverting trifle here?


No.

 

It's the same writers as the first three, so there are a lot of the imaginative set pieces with about a hundred chess pieces in play. So you watch them and think, oh, this is clever, but Marshall directs these sequences so laboriously that it's a fucking chore. There's one bit where Rush and Depp are on a boat hanging over a cliff, and if they put too much pressure on either side of the boat, it will tumble off the cliff. The comical rocking back and forth goes forever, and then it suddenly ceases to be an issue as Depp and Rush have a full-on conversation in the middle of the ship.

post #23 of 145
Because they stayed centered.

I thought the flick picked up considerably once Barbossa becomes a major player.

Basically, Marshall isn't Verbinski. The set pieces are rarely as exciting as the stuff in the first three. But it also never felt as overly long to me as those films did.
post #24 of 145

So is Barbossa a full-on good guy here?

post #25 of 145
Yeah, but in the same way he was a good guy in At World's End. He's still devious but so damn likable.
post #26 of 145

Do we get the usual After Credits scene?

post #27 of 145

Yes, but it's useless. This is NOES remake level bad. Badly directed, way too much exposition. Garbage balls to bone.

post #28 of 145

It's utterly mediocre. Some reviewers loathed it, and while I sympathize, I just can't muster up enough anger about it.  It's just... there. 

post #29 of 145

The box office for this is going to be very interesting to watch.

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The box office for this is going to be very interesting to watch.

 

I doubt it.  80-90ish opening weekend, 240-260 total.  This be my guess.

 

How much did it cost to make?  It certainly looked much less expansive than At World's End.
 

 

post #31 of 145

I would say that Disney easily spent about 200 Million on this movie.

 

I agree with Dark Shape. It'll do Transformers 2 numbers maybe more.

post #32 of 145

$200m would be $100m cheaper than At World's End!  At the very least the films look like every penny's up there on screen.

post #33 of 145

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 As for making good on his part of the transaction and leaving you with a reasonably entertaining movie? Go fuck yourself.

 

Beaks at AICN hated the shit out of this as well.

post #34 of 145
His review is great. I love this quote.
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PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: ON STRANGER TIDES is an embarrassment on every level for Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer.
post #35 of 145
Comparing it to Batman & Robin is total hyperbole. Even at its worst, the film is just sorta there. And calling it one of the worst summer films ever a week after Priest was unleashed is just silly.
post #36 of 145

Sounds reasonable given the budget and talent.

post #37 of 145

I think I will be a great movie.I still didnt watch his movie but i believe that Captain Jack Sparrow will again do lots of adventure this time.I saw the trailer and I think it will be the great and best movie and will break all those previous records.Sp hope for the best guys.you also can Download Pirates of the Caribbeans On Stranger Tides Movie here.

post #38 of 145

Can someone please ban this guy now?

post #39 of 145
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Sounds reasonable given the budget and talent.


Transformers 2 waves at you, unless you're qualifying that it doesn't have the talent; and if you do, we're not really talking about worst summer films ever.

Nick's take on this flick is closer to the mark than Devin's or Beaks'.
post #40 of 145

If you want to pay 3D money to see Depp mug around some more and get almost no 3D effects wankery except for a couple of swords shoved into the camera lens, more power to you.  I didn't loathe it like Beaks and Devin did, but it's still pretty damn bad.  In some ways it's worse - it's inert.  At the end of the film everyone is in the exact same place as they were at the beginning except for the new characters which you didn't give a shit about anyway.

 

The kindest thing you can say about this is that it's workmanlike. 

post #41 of 145
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Spoilers for those who have seen it...

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that mermaid totally kills that dude at the end, doesn't she?

 

post #42 of 145

Here's how the film begins. There's the set up of the finding of the Fountain of Youth where a bunch of anonymous people give exposition.

Then the film cuts to the "fun" sequence where Jack Sparrow pretends to be a judge where he gets to wear a wig and judge outfit. To which there are no stakes, etc. This then leads to...

A scene where a character doles out exposition for over a minute or two as the characters sit in the back of a carriage. Within the first ten minutes of the movie, We're treated to a scene where endless exposition is doled out in the least interesting setting ever. But I guess it's supposed to lead to a switch, which then puts Sparrow in custody, where he then is treated to...

ANOTHER THREE MINUTES OF SOLID EXPOSITION WHERE ALMOST EVERYONE IS SITTING. This one is a little more fun because Richard Griffiths goes so far over the top, but mostly what it does is introduces that Geofrey Rush is back.

This then leads to a chase sequence, which Jeremy I think correctly called "done at half speed" which ends with Sparrow going to a bar where Keith Richards gives him another minute or so of exposition, which then leads to him meeting someone who's doubling him, which then leads to even more exposition. This is the opening reel of the movie.

 

Exposition in and of itself isn't a bad thing, it can set up a narrative and reveal character. But here we know the characters, and nothing about the exposition informs so much as it creates the narrative that isn't really on screen. To wit, Sparrow is suposedly in love with Penelope Cruz. But he has to talk about it because they have no chemistry on screen. At no point did I know where any of the three competing groups were in their search, and when I did see where they were the lags never made much sense, nor did their plans.

 

Blackbeard is introduced by having magical powers which he then never uses again, And some say this is because he can only use them on the boat, but if that's the case, if he has the power to catch things with ropes while on his boat, then the Mermaid sequence is even stupider than suspected, or then if he's got zombies, why doesn't he use them more? The cart being put before the horse is the MO of this entire movie, so that Sparrow has to jump off of a really high cliff is set up with a scene that goes nowhere, and tells us too much without consequences.

 

Then there's the action, which is all pretty half baked. Like the cliff jumping, or the escape sequence, which is incoherently staged. When it ends with the tie-up, it felt like the only way that would work is if all the Spaniards were S&M freaks and let themselves be tied up. And then the end where you have two older English gentlemen trading parries while about a dozen extras trade sword swings in the background, and none of it adds up to much - very exciting.

 

Why did they only get one tear from the mermaid when her face was wet? Why did the Spaniards steal the cups and take them to the one place they could be used if there plan was not to use them? How could anyone seriously know how to use the cups that require such elaborate means to make the fountain of youth work? Etc. etc. All narratives exist to tell a story, but if the machinations of that narrative become self evident that they exist solely to get to the next set piece, it usually considered bad writing. This is another in a long line of Hollywood films that is bloated (seriously, why all the elaborate opening machinations, when you can simply put a Pirate on a boat searching for X?), character-free nonsense that lacks any sort of visual panache. I don't get being forgiving of this sort of bad movie-making.

post #43 of 145

You know it's dire when the backlash against the backlash is "It's not that bad, it's just boring and workmanlike."

post #44 of 145
I think the bigger question about the Spaniards is, why are they in the movie at all?
post #45 of 145

My god, the reaction to this film is (mostly) retarded.

 

I guess everyone is having fun slapping each other on the back for gutting the shit out of this movie, but it's like nails on a chalkboard after all the forgiving, sloppy blowjobs for Thor and Fast Five for fucks sake.

 

I hate being in the position of wanting to defend an only okay-to-decent film against extraordinarily over-the-top thrashing. It's again impossible to publish an opinion that won't get swept up in all the negative shrieking, without shrieking in the other direction. I'm not Armand White enough to do so. I wish we could just fast forward past this one.

 

 

post #46 of 145

I didn't care enough to stay to the end credits to find out.

post #47 of 145

You know what?  I don't know about other people, but I'll put this out there - I saw this the same day as THE TREE OF LIFE.  THE TREE OF LIFE is a challenging, beautiful, bravura piece of filmmaking.  Even if you think the end result of ToL is indulgent, you can't say that Malick wasn't passionless about his work.  So I see a film that comes straight from the heart, that really tries to grapple with Big Ideas and concepts, and then go see this, which is just flaccid in the water and doesn't even TRY.  It is a complete cashgrab, which would be okay if they weren't so damn obvious about it.  You can literally see the deadness behind the actor's eyes as they go through their dialogue not giving a shit.

 

I don't know about other reviewers, but if they did a double feature of TREE OF LIFE with this movie?  Yeah, I can see why people would rip it a new asshole.  Hell, I sympathize.

post #48 of 145

Well, I do enjoy following a viewing of THE DESCREET CHARM OF THE BOURGEIOISE with TRANSFOMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN occasionally, so I dunno, TREE OF LIFE and PIRATES 4 could work as a double bill.

 

How does this compare to VAN HELSING? Better or worse? Say what you want about VAN HELSING, it has passion.

post #49 of 145

Alan, I know I saw the film a while back, and not with Tree of Life. I believe it was my only screening that day. Most of the Los Angeles people saw it pre-Monday, which were the first Tree of Life screenings. I imagine I would think even less of Pirates had I saw them the same day, though. As per "extraordinary" bashing, I mean, I saw the film. As I outlined above, the opening twenty minutes are about 60% exposition. If this weren't a huge ass franchise, it wouldn't make it past a reader's desk. And I'm sure people can and will find their fun with it, but without a strong passion or visual sense behind the material, I don't see what's to recommend, even if the movie is passable. When I saw it, I was reminded of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

post #50 of 145

For what it's worth (I hope not to be dragged to see this), I don't see how this film can be much (any?) worse than Sorcerer's Apprentice, and my recollection is that there was basically zero discussion of that film here; I think I started the thread after I endured the sneak, and there were maybe two responses.

 

So Renn may have a point, that the level of vitriol is a bit excessive, given that derivative crap sequels and brand-name marketing posing as a movie are pretty much the order of the day anyhow.

 

On the other hand, this is yet another sequel to one of the more entertaining big-budget Hollywood films of the past decade or so, so I can understand working up some extra venom when something that was once worthwhile to some degree is reduced to nothing but junk product.

 

 

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