Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides Post-Release - Page 3

I took myself to check this out today. I'm gonna have to side with Renn's earlier views from the thread and I agree with a lot of the stuff from the tag team review too. A lot of the outright hate towards this one seems wildly misplaced and over the top. It's not perfect but it's completely serviceable entertainment. I enjoyed it just fine, but perhaps my taste is suspect. Anyway, I'm also of the opinion that if they decide to make a few more, well that's just fine with me.

The other day I commented in the 3D experiences thread that I probably wouldn't go out of my way to see 3D unless people rave about it, but I ended up seeing it in "IMAX" 3D on 34th Street in NYC. My wife had to go to a baby shower and the timing of that showing was the best fit and it ended up working out perfectly from a timing perspective.

Anyway, the 3D was fine. Not necessary but it worked better than I was expecting. It supported some scenes more than others but I didn't feel like I was taken advantage of like I did after Tron's 3D was barely there.

I am in the same camp as most people around here.  Wasn't great, wasn't awful.  The energy and excitement were non-existent - especially in the first act.  Holy hell, I almost feel asleep a couple of times.  I haven't seen a more obvious cash-grab in a long, long time. I miss the bloated effects, sets and creativity of the first three.  Of course, the plots of the second and third didn't make much sense, but the craft behind the world created was enough to pull me in.  Yet, we are really talking about a series of flicks based on a ride, so I expect just that.  I just didn't feel much passion on the screen, and that's why it failed to really do much than mildly entertain. 

 

Someone else put it well: it was pirates being pirates.  When the day is over, that is pretty much what I went to see.  Interestingly, I own the first three, but when the credits ended I thought to myself: I am unsure if I have a desire to see that again.  As a completist, I can't see myself watching the first three and then following them with this one.

 

So, in the end, it was simply too boring.  Nothing overtly wrong, nothing particularly awesome.  Just passable.  The anger being heaved at it is puzzling.  It's harmless.

 

I was ecstatic to see that the royal guard became a little more resilient though.  At first, rolls being thrown at them, and wine shooting out of barrels were quite the adversaries.  I was rolling my eyes at this, but that seemed to change as the movie progressed.

 

When movie 5 or 6 ends, can we PLEASE see Jack ride two turtles though?  I do not care how ridiculous that will be - I desperately need to see this.

Didn't hate it, but Rob Marshall can't pace films to save his life.

 

3D is fine, I personally enjoyed that aspect.

 

The character of Sparrow needs to evolve for the next two.

I'm kind of amazed that this piece of crap manages to homage the climaxes of both Raiders of the Lost Ark (The mermaid reveal) and Last Crusade (Blackbeard's death at The Fountain of Youth) and still manages to be a complete bore.

 

Hmmm. Come to think of it, Penelope Cruz's backstory sure was similar to Marion Ravenwood too...

 

Fuck this movie.

What did others think about the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie? Is it worth watching or should I wait for it to come out on DVD/Blu-Ray.

 

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Agreed overall with the above assessments. But I still couldn't bring myself to hate/love it. It coasts most of the time. Coasts on the goodwill of the franchise, coasts on my love for the actors, and coasts on characters' pasts and previous actions/reputations. Despite barbecuing the cook, hanging the crew up my magical ropes, manipulating a mermaid, and using his daughter to extend his life, I still felt Blackbeard lacked menace. Ian McS doing his thing adds much, as usual, and he gets a great entrance, but I wanted more of his character being a ruthless bastard. He should have been more of a loose cannon, to counteract Sparrow's gradual "domestication" (familiarity).

 

My major complaints besides the wonky pacing and listless direction? It felt like a rough cut assembled from first take performances based on a first draft script. Lacks the zest, creativity, and punch of the previous three.

 

Good question. I like that they were there (TWIST!) to destroy the fountain as Spanish-Catholic cleaners , but they really should have eliminated the cups if that was their ultimate goal.

 

Also, the magic... I can buy the voodoo elements in Blackbeard's repertoire (doll, zombies) and I think they're enough alongside the smoldering visual style of BB and his ship. But the shrunken boats and Wii-mote sword seem so left-field and ambiguous. They don't really tie in with his voodoo and/or fire theme at all and just seem there without any explanation. Maybe that's left for sequels, but here, they're so incongruous, undeveloped, and ultimately superfluous  IMO. I'd hate more exposition, but how do all these elements tie in with this character? What are the rules/circumstances here for all this supernatural? I feel like a roll-player who wants a bigger peek at the DM's guide.

 

I'll probably own it and see the next one when it comes, but OST felt more like a first installment of a potentially-great up-and-coming franchise than the 4th entry of a strong fun series.

 

Yeah, I share Nick's optimism...

EDIT: Um, wow...

 

Domestic:	$163,967,000	25.8%
+ Foreign:	$470,800,000	74.2%
= Worldwide:	$634,767,000

 

Edited by DARKMITE8 - 5/31/11 at 11:01am

Yeah, we're getting Pirates V and VI.

 

I'll also side with Renn.  This is a solid sequel for the franchise.  While lacking the insanity of the previous two sequels, it's not as meandering either............which I found refreshing.  I don't get the humor complaints either?  Rossio & Eliott kept their usual wit and really only cut out the childish humor of the previous entries, which is perfectly fine by me.  While I enjoy At World's End, this is definitely a step up from the trainwreck that was the previous entry.  On Stranger Tides is definitely a callback to The Curse of the Black Pearl, though not as good.  The story is streamlined and we aren't following ridiculous amounts of characters all over the place.  The latter really made me happy.  For example:

 

At World's End:  Jack Sparrow, Will Turner, Elisabeth Swan, Davey Jones, Barbossa, Bootstrap Turner, Lord Beckett, Beckett's henchman, Norrington, Gibbs, Tiadalma, Sao Feng, Feng's first mate, Pintel & Raghetti, Cotton, the midget, Governor Swan, the bumbling soldiers from the first one, etc.   That's 20 or more characters that had to be given some sort of action/comedy bit and some closure.  It's ridiculous!

 

On Stranger Tides: Jack Sparrow, Barbossa, Gibbs, and Gillette are the only returning characters, with Teague getting a cameo.  To them we add Blackbeard, Angelica, Scrum, Philip, and Syrena.  There are some others that get lines here and there, but they are mostly relegated to a scene or two and then turned to sword fodder.  Or, like Derek Mears' role, are meant to be imposing and not much else.  Of those new characters, only two are likely to show up again in another installment.   That's less than half as many characters to keep track of, which greatly simplifies things in terms of story and is probably one of the main reasons that film isn't pushing three hours like the last two.

 

Is it a classic?  Of course not.  On the whole though, I'd say it is probably one of the best fourth entries I have ever seen though.  That isn't saying much obviously, but this truly isn't a bad flick.  Personally, I loved the singular Indy-style quest feel of this one.  Again, it reminded me of the CotBP and I hope they keep to that for any future films.  Hell, if they had taken more time on the last two they likely would have been almost as good as the first.  None of the returning cast seemed bored and anyone saying that Depp is weary of making a fifth one is reading too much into his "let's make sure we don't rush into it" comment.  The man has publicly stated his disappointment with how rushed the third one was and how it turned out.  He just wants to be sure that it doesn't happen again.

 

Long story short?  I really dug Pirates IV.  I severely doubt it will end up of my eventual "Best of 2011" list, but it certainly won't come close to being on the "Worst of" one either.  Of all the crap that has hit this year, people really want to label this as one of the worst?  Madness.  If you like the first three, you'll enjoy this one.  If you didn't like the last two, why are you bothering to watch the fourth one anyway?

 

Well, I got pretty angry at that point with the whole deal of that court not knowing who Captain Jack Sparrow was AND the real Captain Jack being able to impersonate a judge. That's just dumb.

 

I was more miffed in how it was poorly filmed and it didn't even seem like it WAS on a ship that was about to fall off of a cliff. I had no sense of direction or where everything was on there, such as which side was on solid ground and which one was suspended in the air.

 

Agreed. Over-convoluted is more the term I'd describe the plot of 2 and 3 rather than complex. It's just shitty storytelling, and I personally thought those films didn't need to be as jam-packed with shit as it should have been. It should have been like CotBP (only with one plot twist or two less; as much as I enjoyed the first film, I've always thought it had one or two tricks too many up its sleeve) instead of bloated rambling hard to follow tales where you either get aggravated at characters in a bad way or you just don't give two shits about them.

 

What rambling bullshit. Besides him hardly talking about the film at all in a coherent manner (maybe because English is obviously his second language), him turning it into a gross-out... i.e. typical Internet "humor", sad to say.

 

Well, Kate, I'm not sure what you thought of the first three, but the general consensus can be gleaned just from skimming through this thread, which hasn't had too many spoilers involved, IMO... so you may not want to read the rest of my post after this bit. My opinion, it's definitely better than the bloated confused At World's End and it's definitely easier to follow than the last two movies*, but it's definitely not like the first film.

 

* Any critics who say that THIS movie is hard to follow... that's just preposterous.

 

Besides what I've already said about this film, I agree with a lot of what Damon Houx said that DARKMITE8 already quoted earlier on this page. It's just a shitty story with a lot of stupid moments and plot holes; what else would you expect, though, given that the assholes who wrote 2 and 3 also wrote this? I didn't care for the supernatural stuff (I know, that's a theme of the entire series, but here... as Damon said, it was brought up and then made a non-factor) and I mainly groaned at seeing evil mermaid chicks with whips going crazy, or a voodoo doll used once and then much later tossed off a cliff to no effect. I got the most upset at seeing a wooden ship shoot GIANT STREAMS OF FIRE multiple times to kill somebody. Christ, that's just insulting to my intelligence.

 

Maybe I'd feel differently if I had gotten to re-watch all three of the movies last month as I was thinking of doing. Maybe then this would look better, but as I say now, it's just as nonsensical and "should have been better and not so stupid when you examine the plotting" as Tron: Legacy. I mean, just to list one thing, how did it become so easy for all those people to go through the portal to the Fountain of Youth considering that, you know, it was upside down and Jack had to step on someone to get into the portal? Much better, how in the blue hell did mermaid Syrena get through there? See what I mean about this being intelligence-insulting?

I thought those whip things were retractable Lovecraftian palm/wrist tentacles, but I could be wrong. Hard to tell for sure in the night lighting.

 

As for the voodoo doll thing... it only simulates pain, not movement (like we've seen in other films cartoons, example: WITCHES OF EASTWICK). The doll didn't get hurt (or drowned in the toss), so Jack wouldn't either.

 

And I could be wrong about this as well, but to me, it looked like the Spaniards emerged from the jungle and didn't go through the portal. The clergyman looked like he ran back to the mermaid through the jungle as well. Really hard for me to say. And if that is the case, why is the portal necessary? But the mermaid never went through the portal at all. She was left behind at the swampy area with the underground waterways.

If you're looking for a reason for those things, you can be assured there isn't one. By the way, did the mermaid kill the missionary at the end? Did they even try to explain what was happening there?

The whole "myth" was that a mermaid's kiss will prevent you from drowning.  I also think something was spouted off about the possibility of being turned into a merman.  That said, it seems that they don't give that kiss to horny and morally corrupt sailors/pirates...............who instead get drug under and devoured.  Since those are the types they usually come across, that explains the lack of mermen swimming the oceans.

 

Looks like Philip was taken to the depths of the ocean to live happily ever after with Syrene.

I heard that Pirates of the Caribbean on stranger tides made  over $700 million in the world but is struggling in the US. It was a okay film. I like that that film was short. I felt that Cruz was a wonderful addition and Johnny Depp provided a lot of excitement.

 

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My list of favorite movies LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean Queen Anne's Revenge rocks

Edited by johndroberts - 6/14/11 at 6:48pm

 

 

Aside from the fact that the kiss would save the missionary from drowning, I think his fate is supposed to be open-ended or maybe a setup for the next movie, like I'm hoping Blackbeard's sword and the zombification stuff will prove to be.
 

I didn't have any problems with the way all the players entered/exited the portal.  Who cares?  The legitimate logic issue with that part of the movie I think was the way the missionary rushed all the way back to the pools where they tied up the mermaid after he's mortally wounded.  When Blackbeard and company left her for dead there, they were still a full day's hike from the fountain.  (It was a night scene when she was stranded at the pools, and then when the pirate entourage met up with Jack again it was daytime.)   The movie intercuts the cleric's double back to the pools with the fight at the fountain, as if it all happens in more or less the same span of time, which is a few goddamn minutes.

 

Other thing that bothered me: exactly what were we supposed imbibe from the scene when Blackbeard tricks the mermaid into bringing forth a tear?  Was the whole deal of faking the cleric's death pre-planned by Blackbeard, his daughter and a zombie?  It just seemed really awkwardly done.  The dart thing that Jack took at the beginning of the movie knocked him out for FIVE DAYS if I remember right, but the cleric was out for like an hour or so?  

 

I still find that I like the movie a lot though.  A little Geoffrey Rush goes a long way, and I think there's a lot of little touches in the movie to be appreciated.  I've read people comparing it to Crystal Skull, I guess because they're both fourth installments in an adventure franchise, but On Stranger Tides isn't just a better adventure movie than Indiana Jones 4, but a better Indiana Jones movie than Indiana Jones 4.  There are a number of spots that don't work for me, but I think the only massive fail here is not giving Ian McShane more opportunities to be menacing - the roasting of the cook and the Russian roulette were more confusing than anything else.

 I enjoyed the movie, but it clearly isn't as good as the first one. I wouldn't mind if there was never another Pirates movie. That said, since OST made money, there will be one. Then why not get Edgar Wright to direct it. He could bring back the fun craziness of the first one.

Watched it a second time today (friend got a hall pass from his 6-month-old, this is the one Summer movie he wanted to see).  It was almost like seeing a new movie--so much I saw the first time was forgettable.  The first half still has some effective set pieces--the escape from the king's palace is classic Pirates (Jack pretending to be a fool but really plotting the whole time), most of the scenes with Angelica work, and there were genuine laughs in the mutiny-planning scene.  And the mermaid lagoon scene remains amazing. 

 

After that, the movie fell apart on me again.  A lot of it is the dropped subplots.  Still not sure if Angelica is Blackbeard's actual daughter or not.  What was the point of thinking Blackbeard's not really on the ship (could've been a cool plot twist) if you finally introduce him two minutes later?  I could let the zombies slide, I guess, but controlling the ship magically and capturing ships in bottles?  Need some backstory on that.  Not to mention the whole "how does everybody find this place?" bit described above

 

 

Second time around, becomes clear it was Angelica's plan.  I think it's supposed to be a hint she actually loves Jack--the love of your life returning makes you cry tears of joy.   My guess, given the post-credit teaser, is that Angelica returns for V and VI.

 

 

Saw this with the girlfriend at the cheapy theater and, considering one of our first bonding experiences was playing a Pirates of the Caribbean Scene-It, we had a lot of fun with it.

 

Yes the Missionary character is horrible, only justified by Jack's groan-inducingly awesome "I support the Missionary's position" crack. Although my favorite part of the film was, like someone mentioned above, pirates being pirates, the Missionary and nice mermaid kept bringing the movie down with their morality and love-dovey eyes.

 

The best part of Jack, here, is actually conceptual. Depp gives it a go but the schtick is feeling tired, but there are a few valiant attempts at deconstructing the character. The first scene of Gibbs being mistaken for Sparrow, and Sparrow in diguise, was somewhat novel but ultimately fell flat; what I appreciated was the importance of the idea of Jack Sparrow, reinforcing the theme of identity throughout the movie. This continues into the next set piece when Angelica is dressed as Sparrow, and continues into the discussion of Black Beard before we seen him all the way into Barbossa's identity crisis as a Navy man or pirate.

 

This emphasis on storytelling, identity and personal myth goes as far back as Jack's sea turtles story from the first movie, but here there's an attempt at bringing this subtext up to text. Sadly it fails. In terms of character arc there's a somewhat organic progression of Jack's flippancy with his life by bargaining eternity with Davey Jones for ten years with the Black Pearl, to his fear of death and yearning for immortality in At World's End, to his giving up on the idea of physical immortality and settling for his name being remembered at the end of this outing.

 

The Black Pearl in a bottle is nice because it bottles the idea of Jack's pride, his ship, but it could also be a commentary on the franchising of the series. Along with Jack's name being used by multiple characters throughout the movie, the Pearl has been reduced to a toy.

 

This is me stretching. I honestly had fun with the movie, but it's forgettable. The girlfriend summed it up when she said this felt like an end and there didn't need to be another, and she also said the movie felt too choreographed. The spontaneity of the first three (at least the first) is gone, so let this ship sink.

 

Finally saw this. I have to say, I liked the story better than the last two. I enjoyed the new characters as well. HOWEVER, the direction is terrible. Marshall sucks all the energy and spontaneity out of the action scenes, as has been pointed out here already ad nauseum. It really is remarkable how badly he flubs this; you could teach a "how not to" class by showing this movie back to back with the first two Pirates films. Maybe the 3D played a role in this; maybe they had to cut the film slower, thus giving the action scenes that stilted, half-speed feel. It's too bad because honestly if this had been in Verbinski's hands it would have been a pretty decent entry.

Watched this last night. Didn't like it, for many of the reasons everyone else already gave (shitty direction, preacher boy and mermaid girl suck, etc.). But I thought I'd go ahead and pick one particular nit: Why is it that so much of the plot hinges on a prophecy we never see given? Truth be told, I couldn't even figure out where it came from. It likely would have made sense to make the prophecy the opening scene, rather than the stuff with the Spaniards.

I really think a lot of the good stuff that was mentioned in the film, like the Pearl coming alive and Barbossa escaping it, should of been actual scenes.

Watching the 1st film, near the end, when Jack is about to be hung, they do mention that he did impersonate a cleric.

Also supposedly with the 3rd film, it was possible to have the Davy Jones curse removed if the loved one waited 10 years. Since the last one did make some money, and Bloom needs a hit, why not bring the 5th film back to a story about him and the lifting of the curse? They never made it exactly clear how to do so, in the 3rd film either.

 

Hells yeah.

 

I take it you've never seen the post-credits tag on At World's End. It deals entirely with this.

I found that post credits tag on youtube. I thought they should have the kid be Jack's. The tell tale signs would have been that he had Jack's walk and was chugging rum. Cut to Will with a how could you look, to witch Elizabeth responds with,"Well. He is quite charming." And scene.

I did, but I do think 99% of the people have no idea the curse can be lifted. For all they saw, it was him visiting the shore every 10 years.

Another thing I didn't like in Pirates 4. The previous movies knew we would relate more with the characters of Elizabeth Swan and Will Turner, so they get introduced early, and then the pirates show up. Pirates 4 thinks Jack can handle the whole thing and gives him the first scenes. We get Preacher Boy and Mermaid girl later in the film. What purpose do they serve? Mermaid girl is just needed for a tear. Preacher boy is just around to hopefully be confused as Orlando Bloom's brother, and with the way Bloom's career is going right now, that's a bad position to be.

Now I'm not saying everyone did relate to Elizabeth Swan and Will Turner, and maybe they had more fun with the pirate characters, but at least the crew tried to be traditional.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Keira Knightley is a huge reason those first two movies work. And, quite frankly, a lot of the stuff from At World's End that I'm okay with involves her, as well. When this series first started, there was a lot more going on than just Captain Jack. Plugging in generic characters around him that do nothing more than help drive the plot doesn't work. There's not a single new character in On Stranger Tides that I find to be engaging or entertaining. (Blackbeard gets a nice entrance and then ... does nothing for the rest of the movie.)

 

I mean, seriously -- why were those Spaniards in this movie at all?!

Well, I guess you can infer it from how pissed off Davy Jones is that Calypso never showed up. But if not, there's always the FAQ card that comes with the DVD!

I still don't think this is god-awful, but it is completely listless and uninteresting.  Easily the worst of the sequels.

I actually enjoyed Preacher boy and Mermaid girl more than Orlando and Kiera, and I'm in the minority in my belief that Jack worked well being in the center of the story.  It's just that the movie was poorly delivered.

Really?! Wow.

 

Now, granted, Bloom isn't much of an actor, but at least Will Turner had a purpose and a character arc. Will grew up hating pirates, with a misconceived notion of what they represent  -- well, misconceived in this romanticized universe, anyway. He carries nothing but disdain for his father. But then all of that changes, as the events of the first film send him on his own personal journey that leave him a much different character by the end of the first film. Hey, it may not be Olivier doing Shakespeare, but considering it's one facet of a movie based on a theme-park ride, it helps drive the film just fine.

 

In comparison, what happens to Preacher Boy in OST that's the least bit interesting for the viewer? Why is he religious in the first place? Why doesn't he suffer a crisis of faith in this movie? How is he changed at the end of the movie from the beginning? What does he learn doing his journey? Answers: Nothing; don't know, because the script sucks; he's not; and nothing.

 

And then he's dead ... or immortal ... or fuck if I know.

 

So, to sum up: Give me Bloom/Will Turner any day of the week.

I can't argue a single one of your points. All I can say is that there was considerably less of Preacher and Mermaid than there was of Orlando and Kiera, and since I never gave a shit about the characters of Elizabeth and Will, less to me is a good thing. I could have done with out all four of them, truth be told. But I guess it was cool that Mermaid girl was, you know, a mermaid.

 

That's all I've got.

Even the damn movie doesn't care about preacher and mermaid.

 

TED ELLIOT:  Here, Disney!  Script!

 

DISNEY EXEC:  Whatever, Ted.  You cut Orlando and Keira, right?

 

TED ELLIOT:  Yeah.

 

DISNEY EXEC:  Who'd you replace them with?

 

TED ELLIOT:  What?

 

DISNEY EXEC:  We need some young lovers for the Twilight crowd.  Make it happen.

 

TED ELLIOT:  Well, there's a mermaid scene.  Give me a pen and ten minutes.

Sadly I got the blu-ray (which AV wise is top notch).

Honestly asking me to suddenly infer something like that in this type of movie is too far reaching. If a movie has a consistent tone of just entertaining and not asking me to be taking it all seriously, then suddenly throws a curveball like that?! I think a movie should be able to stand alone and not need a pamphlet to discuss it.


A bit of praise I guess I'll give the movie is the Mermaids song by Hans Zimmer. Something very beautiful, and very haunting about it. While the a lot of the soundtrack felt like a remix of the 3rd film, this song had really good vocals, something I like a lot.

That's it, really. Even in the vaunted original, those characters hold not an ounce of interest for me. 

 

This series has a lot of stupid ideas about what it needs to be, or why they're successful. Like the Saw movies, there's just so much overwritten, uninteresting intrigue that I truly believe sails over the heads of like 80% of the audience. It seems like they could expend so much less energy on the incredibly complicated plots within plots and just go for broke with mythical sea creatures and swashbuckling. And it's not about wanting it to be dumbed down or whatever, I just would like them be economical and play to their strengths. But then, with a billion worldwide, perhaps they have a pretty firm grip on this thing.

 

I am completely confident that this franchise will make it to six installments, for better or worse.  I am also completely confident that neither Bloom nor Knightley will ever return to the series.  Their contract is up, they both state in virtually every interview that they have no desire to return, and Bruckheimer & Co. seem to have no desire to bring them back.  Like it or not, their story is over.

 

Depp will continue to be the face of this franchise until they stop making money or he stops agreeing to star in them.  The better question is whether or not they will attempt to continue without him if the latter ever happens.  Thoughts?

I'm betting that without Depp, there's no way. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is no fifth film, simply because they're huge undertakings and Depp's dance card is pretty full right now. I could see him being persuaded into another one, but if Lone Ranger works out, they'll probably push those instead. Have they even assigned the writing gig to anyone yet?

Yep, the script is being worked on as we speak.  Terry Rossio is writing it himself, sans Ted Elliott (who wants a break from the franchise).

 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that part of the compromise to make The Lone Ranger involved Depp agreeing to one or two more Pirates sequels.  In fact, I'd almost be willing to bet money on it.

I hope they don't decide to continue without Depp, because if they do, you just know they'll use his final film to set up the new lead character and they'll be enough baton passing to hold an Olympics.

Exactly. Those worldwide numbers for OST are staggering, so it feels to me like a fifth installment is guaranteed. I can't see the series continuing sans Depp, but he seems more than happy to put on the eyeliner and cash the check every couple of years.

 

By the way, I read somewhere that Rossio's draft was already turned in, but that Disney and Depp weren't happy with it. Not sure if they told Rossio to try again or if it's gone out to other writers.

 

I just hope Marshall is dropped in favor of a real director, or else this is suddenly going to be a series with more shitty movies in it than good ones.

I would rather see two more POTC movies than watch the Lone Ranger and Tonto fight werewolves. Granted this is a there is a gun to my head and I have to choose situation.

I'd watch another, but they better liven up the the pacing/action a bit. RM's directorial "style" in this was a chore. And I wanna see a sea serpent/s dammit.

This was just utterly soulless. Shoddy and cheap looking, it seems like studios no longer value cinema even as a source for profit, as every frame of the action was just utterly lifeless, a joyless slog shot as if it were an episode of HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER. It seems they respect us so little, that they figure they can just hire Depp, dress him in the costume, and not bother with putting effort into anything else. They don't have to bother with thrilling choreography, coherent action, or dialog that isn't painful to the ears. They know they have a brand, and that's all that's needed to get idiot America to show up to shell out cash for Disney's "film" product. This isn't filmmaking. This isn't even network TV. It's a film the same way GOOSEBUMPS #291 is a novel. I am getting sort of angry thinking about the state of our cinema, so I'm just going to be quiet and go back to ignoring this trash. I'm sorry, but this movie is everything that is wrong with our culture. They don't even respect us as human beings, if this is what they give us for "entertainment". No full human person, with a soul and feelings, could be entertained by POTCOST, much less engage emotionally with it on any level, even as pure spectacle. It's just hollow, empty shit

 

PS The dialog was painful. Full of anachronistic turns of phrase, and then on the nose "pirate speak" that has never sounded faker/more irritating

I have a feeling that, despite the success of this entry, Rob Marshall won't be back for the next one.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Verbinski return or Depp to rope in another one of his past collaborators.  Disney keeps chasing Tim Burton to do one, but I don't think that will happen.  I would love to see what Terry Gilliam could do with the franchise though.

 

Hah, make it lose money. 

And cost $500 million.

All joking aside, Gilliam has the right sensibilities for it and its not like he'd make it too much weirder than some of the other elements in the franchise (particularly the Davey Jones' Locker sequence from 3).  Besides, it'd be a work-for-hire ordeal if it happened anyway..................so story and budget would already be mapped out ahead of time anyway.  As long as you have Depp running around acting looney and occasional action scenes, it'll pull in the dough.................so why not have some fun with it while we still can?

 

That and if anyone would let the budget inflate to $500 million, it'd be Gore Verbinski.

I'd love a Gilliam take, but with his luck, it might sink the franchise. Literally. As in: under water.