PROMETHEUS pre-release discussion. - Page 30

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Originally Posted by Carpe Jugulum 


THAT is Guy Pearse on the left. No question about it.

 Look at old Weyland on the left. He is pointing at something in the other direction than the guys who are pointing the guns. Also David is holding out a protective arm to him.

 Look in the reflection of the bubble helmet of the shooter on the left. Just to the left of his head is the reflection of someone maybe in a similar suit but it is red.

 No idea what it is or what it means but it's just something I noticed.

I'm just going to allow the hype to seep it's way in. This really looks to be somewhat of a renaissance for Ridley Scott, a return to true form.

Oh and btw...

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Originally Posted by Benny Reno 

Oh and btw...

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

This speculation a few pages back about the creature on the ship being David is just silly. Just no. It's probably not that complicated.

 

Apart from other information (the fact that Shaw clearly gets something cut out of her stomach appears infected etc), noting that Shaw's boyfriend is not prevalent in the trailer much outside of the introduction to the mission, unless he is appearing sick, picking tentacles out of his eyes and so forth, I'm going to go ahead and assume that something along these lines happens: he gets transformed into a proto-xenomorph and possibly through relations with Shaw during that transformation, results in the famous xenomorph we all know and love.

 

Simple and it makes plenty sense.

 

 

 

Here's why I think David will become infected by the alien tech (possibly willingly): Alien is all about biomechanical organisms. Pretty much all the alien films have had androids, which are also biomechanical organisms. But this parallel has never really been explored in the films. And the fake David 8 commercial points at the android playing a big part in the story.

Maybe David doesn't transform into the Space Jockey (though I like the idea of Weyland ending up becoming the Space Jockey, and the Nostromo crew actually finding the remains of their old company CEO many years later), but I definitely think something big happens to David.

EDIT: Fuck it, I'm removing the spoiler tag. Feels silly using spoiler tags when speculating about a movie no one's seen yet.

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen 

 

Here's why I think David will become infected by the alien tech (possibly willingly): Alien is all about biomechanical organisms. Pretty much all the alien films have had androids, which are also biomechanical organisms. But this parallel has never really been explored in the films. And the fake David 8 commercial points at the android playing a big part in the story.

No the fake commercial points to exactly what it is: a clever marketing device. We already know he has a substantial role in the film (our villain however is Theron's character not his), we can tell by the trailer that he is performing tests on whatever they recover from the ruins/derelict/whatever, but what you're suggesting is a massively huge stretch that makes no sense whatsoever. An android becoming infected and causing the organism to change to the form we know it makes no sense because he is *gasp* a robot. The xenomorphs take on characteristics of their host through their dna, if they could gestate in just about anything (including non-living things) the whole plot of them taking on a form to (presumably) eradicate humanity is completely pointless as they could simply hump a rock and achieve the same goal.

So sorry to be so blunt, but seriously the whole idea is just stupid.

EDIT: And no, there is nothing biological about the androids in the Alien films. They are simply machines capable of mimicking or maybe even outperforming humans, which plays into the larger overall theme of mankind playing god. In the words of Parker in the original film they are "god damn robots".

I'm not suggesting David is the source of the xenomorph and nor did I say that. I'm suggesting that David will use the alien tech to become more than an android. To become a living creature. Biomechanical.

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen 

I'm not suggesting David is the source of the xenomorph and nor did I say that. I'm suggesting that David will use the alien tech to become more than an android. To become a living creature. Biomechanical.

In that case, I would say that would only result in a highly convoluted plot. I don't see Ridley going down that route at all, it's just not necessary when there are plenty of fleshlings readily available, and we know from the marketing materials thus released that Shaw and her BF do get infected with something. Plus, I'm fairly certain David is good.

We see him fighting the infected crew members in the trailer btw. I can't imagine the plot going from that to David turning into a Space Jockey.

He could be good while still wanting to be a living creature. I just can't shake the idea, especially when this movie is coming from the director of Blade Runner. Well, maybe that would be a reason for Scott not to go there, since he's already explored those themes...

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen 

He could be good while still wanting to be a living creature. I just can't shake the idea, especially when this movie is coming from the director of Blade Runner. Well, maybe that would be a reason for Scott not to go there, since he's already explored those themes...

Exactly, I've never known him to tread the same ground twice. He would make a boring movie about wine before that. xD

Or not about wine, because he already did that.

You're saying those cylinders in the trailer don't contain Chardonnay? 'Cause I'll fight you on that...

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Originally Posted by Daley D 

 Look in the reflection of the bubble helmet of the shooter on the left. Just to the left of his head is the reflection of someone maybe in a similar suit but it is red.

Red? Well that guy bites it.

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen 

You're saying those cylinders in the trailer don't contain Chardonnay?

Nope. Sparkling Muscatel. The finest wine of Idaho.
 

I'm always fascinated by the evolution of the science in science fiction:  Electricity, Modern Medicine, Radiation, Computers, Cosmic Rays, Genetic Engineering, and it certainly looks like Prometheus deals with Nanotechnology.

All in the service of making a better boogyman, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen 

 

Here's why I think David will become infected by the alien tech (possibly willingly): Alien is all about biomechanical organisms. Pretty much all the alien films have had androids, which are also biomechanical organisms. But this parallel has never really been explored in the films. And the fake David 8 commercial points at the android playing a big part in the story.

 

Many years before Prometheus was even announced, a friend and I started writing an ALIEN sequel script, just for fun, and an android being a host of the xenomorph was one of the plot points.  It came fairly organically and was inevitable.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route Ridley takes.

My issue is, how does the xeno eventually end up with the BLACK exoskeleton?  In the trailer we see the large tail of what is obviously a fully grown adult creature (in the shot of Shaw looking through the door) and it's pale blue.  

In Alien, the chestburster starts out with ivory like skin and eventually darkens into pure black.  And it's facehugger mommy was taken from the ship we see in Prometheus.  That means Prometheus must lead to the black skinned xeno we know today, but I'm wondering how it evolves from the fully grown pale blue creature we see.

The more I look at this picture,

in conjunction with the recent ads...the more I'm convinced these guys AREN''T pointing their weopens at space-jockeys, xenos, mutants, whatever...they're pointing them at the un-infected crew, who are trying to stop Pearce and Fassbender from doing something, (or RETURNING from doing something), REALLY stupid.

I'm reminded of Ash letting the away-team back onto the Nostromo, except with more obvious firepower...

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Originally Posted by Graham 

The more I look at this picture,

 

 

in conjunction with the recent ads...the more I'm convinced these guys AREN''T pointing their weopens at space-jockeys, xenos, mutants, whatever...they're pointing them at the un-infected crew, who are trying to stop Pearce and Fassbender from doing something, (or RETURNING from doing something), REALLY stupid.

 

I'm reminded of Ash letting the away-team back onto the Nostromo, except with more obvious firepower...

really? I saw it as them coming out into the hangar, where the mutated crewmember has jumped off the vehicle and starting kicking shite out of people, and are opening up on that person.
 

I'm still not seeing that picture as unambiguously showing Pearce in old age makeup.

Could be, except these two are clearly pointing their guns at separate targets...they could just be scoping the area...but, yeah, ultimately I don't know.

What I do know is these trailers are chronologically visual anagrams.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 

I'm still not seeing that picture as unambiguously showing Pearce in old age makeup.

I don't see either. In one freeze frame it kind of does look like an old man, but not in other frames.

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Originally Posted by Graham 

Could be, except these two are clearly pointing their guns at separate targets...they could just be scoping the area...but, yeah, ultimately I don't know.

 

What I do know is these trailers are chronologically visual anagrams.

best I get back to relentlessly scrutinising all the trailers for this movie I can get my hands on then :)

Also, walked past the multiplex a minute ago, they now have a Prometheus poster up.  (Partially) ashamed to say I actually skipped a step when I saw it, I was that excited.

from the UK trailer. Suspect same scene.  Also suspect it's around the time people are burning some shit, and the mutated crewman may be trying to stop them.

I think this is Weyland, and he's dying, possibly from faulty nanotech produced by Weyland corp.  I still don't see the old guy being him.  And I still believe Ridley when he says this is not the ship from Alien, but a different planet, different ship, so him or David "becoming" the SJ from Alien doesn't make sense to me.

I'm open to their being a second ship, either a backup Weyland vessel (maybe this one carrying Weland himself?), or Yutani trying some industrial espionage.

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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber 

I'm open to their being a second ship, either a backup Weyland vessel (maybe this one carrying Weland himself?), or Yutani trying some industrial espionage.

I think there has to be, otherwise it's a really fucked timeline in the movie.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Many years before Prometheus was even announced, a friend and I started writing an ALIEN sequel script, just for fun, and an android being a host of the xenomorph was one of the plot points.  It came fairly organically and was inevitable.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route Ridley takes.

 

My issue is, how does the xeno eventually end up with the BLACK exoskeleton?  In the trailer we see the large tail of what is obviously a fully grown adult creature (in the shot of Shaw looking through the door) and it's pale blue.  

 

In Alien, the chestburster starts out with ivory like skin and eventually darkens into pure black.  And it's facehugger mommy was taken from the ship we see in Prometheus.  That means Prometheus must lead to the black skinned xeno we know today, but I'm wondering how it evolves from the fully grown pale blue creature we see.

It's an albino, bringing us full circle.

Also: http://www.projectprometheus.com/eridu/ (tell abu shahrain)

[fanwank]There are in fact 2 ships...the Prometheus and her sister ship the Magellan...The Magellan carries the corpse of Weyland and a military team to run in and grab the Jockey-tech, and arrives some time after Prometheus makes it's discoveries...Weyland is revived by David (who was programmed to protect his master at all costs)...Vickers and Janek are taken to the Magellan so the Prometheus crew can't sabotage the mission...the space jockey awakes...he's pissed, decides to head for earth...'derelict ' takes off...Janek on Magellan breaks free , fires-up the engines and rams the Magellan into the derelict; Vickers ejects in an escape-pod.

...and somehow lands on the planatoid BEFORE the derelict crashes, meets up with Shaw, they SEE the derelict heading towards them, never think about running away at RIGHT ANGLES to the course of the crashing ship ...and somehow survive...for a short time.[/fanwank]

Another image at

http://www.projectprometheus.com/245409/

password (includes , at end): DDM2DDM2DDM2AMAMAMBIGBIGBIGBMESMPP, 

Wow - another one.  They're really ramping this up:

https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/information

and when it says "information", it is not fucking around.  This is one small grab

EDIT: also - how old is Weyland supposed to be?

not really related to prometheus, just thought it was interesting what Jenette Goldstein was up to lately

http://www.jenettebras.com/

Is it possible all of the trailers are being edited to display things out of sequence? 

Speaking as a big fan of the Alien series--saw the original in the theaters in high school--I hope there's only some connections to the source material and nothing like some major revelation to explain the whole Alien background. There are many stories to be told, let's see something else original and exciting. Whatever is happening, it sounds like Sir Ridley is excited enough about it to consider fast tracking a sequel to Prometheus. 

Two glorious hi-res shots have been found:

http://www.projectprometheus.com/eridu/img/tas.jpg

http://www.projectprometheus.com/245409/img/DDM2DDM2.jpg

Wallpaper time!

Notice that "the Dome" from the trailer is at the far left of that second shot?

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Originally Posted by Hyperspace 

Two glorious hi-res shots have been found:

http://www.projectprometheus.com/eridu/img/tas.jpg

 

http://www.projectprometheus.com/245409/img/DDM2DDM2.jpg

 

Wallpaper time!

What's interesting, is that these look like models the way they are lit.  I kind of love that.

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Originally Posted by Joseph P. Brenner 
"Stand up straight and rock that hourglass, honey."

 

Word.

Was she a big girl though? I don't remember her in that way (and I'm pretty sure I would have looked). Buff girls tend to lose their racks. Maybe she shed the muscles and reclaimed the curves.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 

Notice that "the Dome" from the trailer is at the far left of that second shot?

First thing I thought of was Geiger's Harkonen Palace, much simplified:

http://www.meridian.net.au/Art/Artists/HRGiger/Gallery/Images/giger-dune-ii-small.jpg

Okay... my theories on the matter.

The things in the Jars, the sticky looking residue, are single cell organisms that were used to populate Earth. Once out of the jar, they become these squid, eel-like creatures. Basically they have a fast evolution and growth just like the Xenomorphs. This is really cool, because even though these creatures are alien to us, they aren't. They are pre-human in the evolutionary chain. So the crew gets stalked in their ship by... you guessed it, our earliest forms. 

Which begs the question now. Is the xenomorph what the Space Jockey's were trying to create from the beginning but failed with us? 

This thread is so fun.

Just to keep my feet on the ground, Neville Page did some (a bunch? a little?) design work for Prometheus.  While he's a very talented artists, I've never liked any creature this guy has come up with, and would have much preferred Barlowe.

Also, what's the story on Geiger, is he fed up with the franchise?

He's just fed-up with Hollywood fucking him over...

'Alien' and 'Species' aside.

...in fact, scratch 'Species'.

H.R. Giger is synonymous with the Alien films as he created the look of the creatures and the film's look. The site asked Scott about his potential involvement in the film.

"I brought him in, I showed him what we were doing, showed him the story and he liked it a lot" said Scott. "So he's doing a little bit of work for me. He's been doing some murals, big murals, which we'll see in almost one of the first chambers we encounter when we land where we're gonna go." http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/27603

I'm pleased!  I know he was really unhappy with Aliens adding ridges to the drones heads, and it's been downhill from there, this makes me happy.

Momentary threadjack!  Anyone ever go to a Geiger Bar?  Were they any fun?

The Reprint paperback of this will be out on May 29th.

Any idea if that's updated in anyway?  I still have my old copy, so I don't know if I need to upgrade unless there's actually new material in it.

Probably the same stuff. But i am definitely looking forward to this. Since i missed out on the old version.

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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber 
I'm pleased!  I know he was really unhappy with Aliens adding ridges to the drones heads, and it's been downhill from there, this makes me happy.

 

Was there ever supposed to be a reason for this, or was it just another case of Cameron putting his own stamp on things? I have to admit, it bugged me a bit too. When you see the two Aliens guarding the queen, it would have been cool if they had been the smooth-headed aliens, just to not be as weird a continuity thing.

Maybe they were ridged for her pleasure?

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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber 

First thing I thought of was Geiger's Harkonen Palace, much simplified:

 

http://www.meridian.net.au/Art/Artists/HRGiger/Gallery/Images/giger-dune-ii-small.jpg

 I noticed that too....

So what is Vickers talking about from the TV commerical I just saw when she says....

"If you go down there, you're going to die."
 

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Originally Posted by Andy Bain 

yeah, the ridges really annoyed me too. I dealt erg it by reasoning that the smooth head was a 'young' Alien thing, the ones in aliens being more mature.
But it totally ruined a big part of the psychosexual imagery.

Yeah, Giger's original alien design works very well as a horror movie creature. Its smooth, greenish brown surfaces are elegant and grotesque at the same time.
The recognisable human qualities - the body shape, the mouth - make it even more disconcerting.

The problem is in the second movie Cameron needed it to be an action movie monster. So it has to look tougher. So ridges are added, and the outer shell looks more hard and impenetrable. It kind of works, but the original creepy elegance is lost.

Also I think the 'Action Alien' sort of falls between two stools. The features that worked on the original 'horror creature' don't work quite as well on an action movie creature. The humanoid, skeletal body and the small mouth don't really fit the image of a strong predator.

I think the Starship Troopers bugs - while maybe not as iconic - fit the purpose of action movie predators better, with their big crushing jaws and tough-looking exoskeletons.

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Originally Posted by Rockley 

Yeah, Giger's original alien design works very well as a horror movie creature. Its smooth, greenish brown surfaces are elegant and grotesque at the same time.
The recognisable human qualities - the body shape, the mouth - make it even more disconcerting.

 

 

The problem is in the second movie Cameron needed it to be an action movie monster. So it has to look tougher. So ridges are added, and the outer shell looks more hard and impenetrable. It kind of works, but the original creepy elegance is lost.

 

Also I think the 'Action Alien' sort of falls between two stools. The features that worked on the original 'horror creature' don't work quite as well on an action movie creature. The humanoid, skeletal body and the small mouth don't really fit the image of a strong predator.
 

I'm sorry, but that is bull. (IMO)

Giger's original alien design has ridges up the wazoo over the entire body. So Cameron added a few ridges to the head. So what? If anything, it makes the whole design more cohesive. And they really aren't *that* different. The forehead is still smooth.

If the ridged head had appeared first, people would be holding it up as the perfect design and decry Cameron's smooth head as a bastardization. It's all about preference of the familiar.

technically, the original design by Giger did have some 'ridges' on it....they just happened to be covered up by that translucent 'skull'

also, I remember seeing pictures/drawings of the original Alien's "tail" come out the 'crotch' area and not the 'butt' so as to ramp up the phallic aspect even more