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post #1701 of 2340

I always thought the Arcturians were basically human colonists who had some sort of kinky, deep-space sex tourism thing going on and that the Marines had never encountered a non-human culture or "alien" race before. If they had, they certainly never encountered anything like a Xenomorph. Naturally, the outfit was assembled by the Company to find some sort of extra-terrestrial life to capture and weaponize, but thus far, their efforts to locate one had been fruitless. Enter Ripley.

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I always thought the Arcturians were basically human colonists who had some sort of kinky, deep-space sex tourism thing going on and that the Marines had never encountered a non-human culture or "alien" race before.


So there are people out there who really think the space jockey and the xenomorphs are the first aliens encountered by humans? Weird. I don't see how that enhances the story at all.
 

 

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So there are people out there who really think the space jockey and the xenomorphs are the first aliens encountered by humans? Weird. I don't see how that enhances the story at all.
 


The crew aboard the Nostromo didn't even know Ash was a syn-- ...an artificial person. I think it makes the Space Jockey and the Xenomorph more alien if the heroes are first discovering non-human creatures in the context of the movie. Does anything in "Alien" support the idea that the human race has met other forms of intelligent life? I could be missing something, but I don't think so.

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Maybe "arcturians" is just how they refer to transsexuals and/or hermaphrodites in the future.

 

Not all proper terminology survives!

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The crew aboard the Nostromo didn't even know Ash was a syn-- ...an artificial person. I think it makes the Space Jockey and the Xenomorph more alien if the heroes are first discovering non-human creatures in the context of the movie. Does anything in "Alien" support the idea that the human race has met other forms of intelligent life? I could be missing something, but I don't think so.


That's different.  The crew of the Betty didn't know Call was an android either.

 

post #1706 of 2340

I like how this discussion has organically gone from discussing the layers of 'ALIEN' to the layers of 'ALIENS'. 

 

And another amazing point to bring up! I too, since first seeing the flick, assumed the way the Colonial Marines talked so nonchalantly about aliens that they'd encountered some species prior. I do like seeing the arguments against though, because this being the first discovered extraterrestrial species somehow makes it more badass. 

post #1707 of 2340

I'm sure they already encountered other life forms. When Ripley and the others hear the extraterrestrial signal, they aren't stunned at all. First proof of another intelligent lifeform and they're only like, sigh, additional work. They spend more time complaining about the disadvantage of not getting paid for this than talking about the incredible fact that they might be the first of mankind to meet another intelligent species. There's not one actually thrilled about it. Even when they enter the SJ room they're not taken by it. So, some ugly alien guy in a chair... with a gun... radio thing. Can we go now?

Whatever the state of space exploration, they have obviously seen plenty and it's all terribly boring.

And don't forget they are in the incredibly boring towing business. Even towing shit while sleeping for months seems more interesting than encountering new life forms.

 

post #1708 of 2340

Regardless, you can still claim that the crew in Alien thought they might have had first contact and the marines and humans in general in Aliens have encountered aliens before because there is 50 years of time that spans each film.

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Happy Easter, all.

 

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 Awesome new app on Facebook, including interactive goodies and some intriguing new stills from the film, shown below:

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Trouble is...can't find anwhere to 'LIKE' the damn thing!!

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I think this is me now backing off from this till release. I'm getting spoiled far too much.

They're pimping the 'collision' so much that i'm now hoping/thinking it happens fairly early in the film, and that there's a shit load that occurs after.
post #1711 of 2340
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I think this is me now backing off from this till release. I'm getting spoiled far too much.
They're pimping the 'collision' so much that i'm now hoping/thinking it happens fairly early in the film, and that there's a shit load that occurs after.


I actually don't believe we've seen ANYTHING after the 2/3 mark...C'mon!...We're being PLAYED....and you KNOW you're being PLAYED...and YOU LOVE IT (you Bitch)...

 

OK...I'd better stop now.

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The crew aboard the Nostromo didn't even know Ash was a syn-- ...an artificial person. I think it makes the Space Jockey and the Xenomorph more alien if the heroes are first discovering non-human creatures in the context of the movie. Does anything in "Alien" support the idea that the human race has met other forms of intelligent life? I could be missing something, but I don't think so.



It's already been brought up and re-iterated but I'll re-re-iterate it again:  There's nothing that directly confirms previous contact with alien life in Alien, but the completely nonchalant attitude of the Nostromo crew (with the slight exception of Ash) would seem to imply that the concept isn't new to them.  Now I realize that Space-Truckers might not be the most intellectually curious bunch, but Dallas, Ripley, and Kane don't seem like they're so dim that they wouldn't recognize the implications if this was the first true proof of alien life in the universe.  Instead it's all very businesslike, as if it's old hat for them.

 

I'd say it's entirely possible they haven't met living, sentient life, but at the very least they almost certainly must be aware that it has existed at some point (possibly via remains from other worlds?)

 

And of course, this is presuming that Prometheus doesn't retcon the whole thing to the point where what happened to the Prometheus and its' crew is public knowledge.  Though I always did really like the bits in the Colonial Marines Tech Manual that had turned the fate of the Nostromo and Sulaco into "Spacer Legends."  It'd be kind of neat if the same thing happened with Prometheus.  Just enough of the truth leaking out that people tell stories about it to spook each other on long space trips.

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It's already been brought up and re-iterated but I'll re-re-iterate it again:  There's nothing that directly confirms previous contact with alien life in Alien, but the completely nonchalant attitude of the Nostromo crew (with the slight exception of Ash) would seem to imply that the concept isn't new to them.  Now I realize that Space-Truckers might not be the most intellectually curious bunch, but Dallas, Ripley, and Kane don't seem like they're so dim that they wouldn't recognize the implications if this was the first true proof of alien life in the universe.  Instead it's all very businesslike, as if it's old hat for them.

 

I'd say it's entirely possible they haven't met living, sentient life, but at the very least they almost certainly must be aware that it has existed at some point (possibly via remains from other worlds?)


Nicely put, and this is pretty much where I land as well.  You'd think Parker would be all about a big(ger) pay-day if that ended up being the first proof of alien life attached to Kane's face.  

 

With Aliens, I get the feeling Cameron didn't give a shit about any of these little continuity details.  And that's fine.  I really like the movie, but he kinda jumped into the franchise with both feet and did whatever he wanted.  And that meant adding the queen, weakening the xenomorph, and tossing in macho quips about banging alien babes.

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Not sure if it's been brought up here yet, but in each Alien film, the artificial humans are named in alphabetical order:

 

Ash

Bishop

Call

David

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Not sure if it's been brought up here yet, but in each Alien film, the artificial humans are named in alphabetical order:

 

Ash

Bishop

Call

David


I guess that is some form of proof that Meredith Vickers (Charlize) is not an android.

 

post #1717 of 2340
The beauty of that form of speculation is that it's just speculation and you don't make a cunt of yourself in front if the whole internet by claiming it's a scoop

How embarrassing

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/06/prometheus-script-damon-l_n_1409287.html?icid=hp_entertainment_top_art
post #1718 of 2340
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The beauty of that form of speculation is that it's just speculation and you don't make a cunt of yourself in front if the whole internet by claiming it's a scoop
How embarrassing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/06/prometheus-script-damon-l_n_1409287.html?icid=hp_entertainment_top_art

 

Holy shit, does Harry even still have a reputation left to destroy?
 

 

post #1719 of 2340

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and I am happy that I know nothing about PROMETHEUS and that apparently every source that I know on this film - and that things I've heard from others is also complete fabrication. Because that means I'm completely pure for this film then! And that would be fantastic too.


If this is really how he feels about it, why would he read the draft in the first place, then write a review to spoil it for everybody else?

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If this is really how he feels about it, why would he read the draft in the first place, then write a review to spoil it for everybody else?



It ALMOST feels like a put-up job...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But WHY would Harry DO THAT when AICN is definitely on the wane?

post #1721 of 2340

Why indeed! An engima wrapped in a puzzle!

post #1722 of 2340

Finished reading the Alien novelization on thursday night, and it of course had a few changes. 1. They get THIS close to blowing the Alien out the airlock before an alarm goes off and alerts it (Ash sounded the alarm) 2. The "Alien turns Dallas and Brett into eggs" scene is in there. 3. Instead of Ripley reading the details about The Company's involvement, she gets Ash's head to tell them about it.

 

Basically, The Company knew that the "Distress signal" was really a warning, and they had some idea of an alien lifeform being there, and that's why they replaced the previous Science Officer with Ash. Ripley tells Ash that obviously The Company wants them all dead, and he surprises her by telling her that the Alien being as deadly as it was was unexpected, and The Company expected them to collect their full shares when they got back and just continue on with their jobs.

 

 

Going to start up the Aliens novelization today, so I'm looking forward to reading what's different in that one.

 

 

Oh yeah, and Dallas mentions blowing the Alien out of the airlock and sending it to ARCTURUS. Perhaps James Cameron read this novelization or an early script and that's why he put in the "Arcturian Poon-tang" dialogue in the finished film?

post #1723 of 2340

If possible, Harry's writing has gotten even worse.  I couldn't even get through the word-salad paragraph over on HuffPo.

 

Re: the Novelization.  I have such a soft-spot in my heart for Alan Dean Foster.  The Flinx and Pip series was a staple of my early teens.

 

 

post #1724 of 2340

The origins of the leaked "Prometheus" script.

 

post #1725 of 2340

I'll be honest. Every time I see the word Prometheus I think of that clip and want to say "Oh no! Promotheus!"

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If this is really how he feels about it, why would he read the draft in the first place, then write a review to spoil it for everybody else?



It ALMOST feels like a put-up job...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But WHY would Harry DO THAT when AICN is definitely on the wane?


I'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with the link to done youtube thing he's doing. Nothing at all.
post #1727 of 2340

Wow... So Harry took a fake script that had already been debunked and spread around the internet, claimed to have received it many months ago (before the fake script had been written), then wrote an absolutely terrible "review" that doesn't really reveal shit, gets told by Lindelof that it's 100% a fake script, but still doesn't pull the "review" down or writes a clear retraction... all to promote a YouTube show he's starting up? Did he think he wouldn't immediately get called out on this bullshit? He must be really fucking desperate or utterly retarded. I've always had a pretty meh attitude towards Harry Knowles, but this is absolutely disgusting.

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By the way, I would advise everyone to not look up Harry's YouTube... thingie.

 

As someone who would actually defend his childlike passion, it's embarrassing, ugly, stupid, juvenile, and incredibly self-serving.

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen View Post

Wow... So Harry took a fake script that had already been debunked and spread around the internet, claimed to have received it many months ago (before the fake script had been written), then wrote an absolutely terrible "review" that doesn't really reveal shit, gets told by Lindelof that it's 100% a fake script, but still doesn't pull the "review" down or writes a clear retraction... all to promote a YouTube show he's starting up? Did he think he wouldn't immediately get called out on this bullshit? He must be really fucking desperate or utterly retarded. I've always had a pretty meh attitude towards Harry Knowles, but this is absolutely disgusting.

 

Really, that makes you angry? Who gives a shit. The internet isn't real and the people that write for it, even less so. 

post #1730 of 2340

Yeah, I do get a bit angry when a movie news website that was once the biggest of its kind resorts to outright lying and news fabrication for page impressions and video views... I guess I'm weird like that.

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Yeah, I do get a bit angry when a movie news website that was once the biggest of its kind resorts to outright lying and news fabrication for page impressions and video views... I guess I'm weird like that.


Surely the integrity of the online movie news world shall not be impugned like this. What injustice!

 

post #1732 of 2340

This doesn't really clear anything up, but during Ripley's Court of Inquiry scene in Aliens one of the Company officers mentions that the xenomorph was a species "never recorded once in over 300 surveyed worlds." The implication can go either way: there could be tons of species recorded on those planets, or none at all.

 

As for Hudson's bravery or lack thereof, I always figured him to be a nerdy tech guy that got to hang out with the cool kids. He's the one that hacks the door and handles the motion tracker, he's just a computer geek. 

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Yeah, I do get a bit angry when a movie news website that was once the biggest of its kind resorts to outright lying and news fabrication for page impressions and video views... I guess I'm weird like that.


AICN has been a disgrace for years.  This latest episode is just wake up call for it's delusional followers who still hang around the place.  Even they admit the talkbacks are the only thing worth a damn anymore.  And the only reason the talkbacks are popular is because it's one of the last places to troll without being banned.  It's like the Mos Eisley spaceport of movie websites.  And why allow trolls?  Because Harry knows if he banned trolls, most of his visitors would disappear.  Get my drift?

post #1734 of 2340

I haven't been paying much attention to AICN since I jumped ship to CHUD a decade ago, so I haven't been privy to all the other shit that's apparently been going on over there. So AICN is in its death throes?

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This doesn't really clear anything up, but during Ripley's Court of Inquiry scene in Aliens one of the Company officers mentions that the xenomorph was a species "never recorded once in over 300 surveyed worlds." The implication can go either way: there could be tons of species recorded on those planets, or none at all.

As for Hudson's bravery or lack thereof, I always figured him to be a nerdy tech guy that got to hang out with the cool kids. He's the one that hacks the door and handles the motion tracker, he's just a computer geek. 

There is also the clause in the contract in Alien that states they have to investigate any transmission of intelligent origin under penalty of total forfeiture of shares. Could be to make sure SOS get responded to or could be search.for intelligent life.

Ash also tells Ripley that it's the first time they've come across an organism like this. Not the first time they've encountered alien life. So i'm leaning towards having encountered low level flora and fauna, but nothing major. But...

...how fast do the ships go? They have to use cryo sleep so no warp drive, but Nostromo was less than a couple of years out if I remember. So that's substantially closer than anything even one light year away. So they can't have explored too far, which again would limit the chances they'd met anything at all..

A movie series lacking definite consistency, who's have thought it ;p
post #1736 of 2340

At least all this inconsistency is enough to drum up lots of discussion for us! We all love discussions.

 

 

Started up the Aliens novelization earlier and found that it's detailed that Ripley was close to dying from being asleep for so long. The longest recorded hypersleep was 65 years, and they said anything beyond that would make the body break down. She got real close. I'm only a bit into it, but it's reading like the Director's Cut so far, as the scene where Ripley talks to Burke about her daughter is in there.

 

 

post #1737 of 2340
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At least all this inconsistency is enough to drum up lots of discussion for us! We all love discussions.


Started up the Aliens novelization earlier and found that it's detailed that Ripley was close to dying from being asleep for so long. The longest recorded hypersleep was 65 years, and they said anything beyond that would make the body break down. She got real close. I'm only a bit into it, but it's reading like the Director's Cut so far, as the scene where Ripley talks to Burke about her daughter is in there.


It's a lot like the.djrectors cut. I can only think of One substantial difference off hand.
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It's a lot like the.djrectors cut. I can only think of One substantial difference off hand.



You mean the bit where...

Warning: Spoiler for ancient novelisation! (Click to show)

 

 Ripley gives the cocooned Burke his 'coup-de-grace' grenade?

 

 

That was at least partially filmed, perhaps the whole thing...I've seen stills from it.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 Well, whatayaknow...it's on YouTube...

http://youtu.be/-zCnKbKr7eI

 

 


Edited by Graham - 4/8/12 at 7:42am
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Forgot about that, no
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the stinger on the alien tail being why Gormanis unconscious
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Forgot about that, no Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the stinger on the alien tail being why Gormanis unconscious



Oooh, and I'd forgotten about THAT!

 

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223 UP IN 'DIS BITCH.

post #1743 of 2340

Doesn't mean that the last 7 minutes don't take place on LV-426. Afterall, it's probably a planetoid away.

post #1744 of 2340

Similar report in the UK's Daily Telegraph.

 

SPOILERS, I guess...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/9195794/Prometheus-preview.html

 

I am now irrationally afraid that [spoiler] the doughnut crash sequence is going to be on LV-426 and the dessicated remains of whoever is in the chair when it crashes is what the crew of Nostromo find . I was hoping the association would be more tangential [spoiler]. There is nothing in the write up to suggest that, though, other than [spoiler] the stated connection between the "last seven minutes" and Alien [spoiler].

 

I should probably find more important things to worry about...

post #1745 of 2340
I'm just praying the last 7 minutes are not like the ending of X-Men First Class, trying to suddenly align to another movie.
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I'm just praying the last 7 minutes are not like the ending of X-Men First Class, trying to suddenly align to another movie.


Agreed.  That actually really killed the movie for me.  Why in such a rush to get to the status quo?

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 Why in such a rush to get to the status quo?


Paranoia by the studio.  They have to wrap everything up in a bow for fear of the audience...they're deathly afraid of offending people so they don't take any chances.

 

post #1748 of 2340
So we're here again?

Maybe we should just believe them when they say that this would not lead directly to Alien, as they have clearly stated from the beginning.

Let Prometheus be it's own (star)beast.
post #1749 of 2340

As long as the connection is organically woven into the story, I don't really care if they make the connection in the last 7 minutes.

post #1750 of 2340

And yet it can't tie-in too directly if there's to be room for a sequel or two...maybe.

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