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post #1951 of 2340

Prometheus Breaks IMAX U.K. Pre-Sales Record

http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/breaks-imax-uk-pre-sales-record/

post #1952 of 2340

Here we go.

post #1953 of 2340

They played this for the crowd last night in front of The Avengers and it was crickets until some guy said "Boo!" and 1/3 of the audience laughed. I wanted to scream "HEY, FUCK YOU MAN!" I seriously think public awareness on this thing is going to be small because there's not a giant fucking Alien jumping all over the place to tell them that it's related.

post #1954 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Shaun H View Post

They played this for the crowd last night in front of The Avengers and it was crickets until some guy said "Boo!" and 1/3 of the audience laughed. I wanted to scream "HEY, FUCK YOU MAN!" I seriously think public awareness on this thing is going to be small because there's not a giant fucking Alien jumping all over the place to tell them that it's related.

 

Eh.  I remember Avatar getting the same reaction to it's trailer.  

post #1955 of 2340

Yeah trailer reactions in a theater is the last place you want to look for evidence.  Tracking and pre-sales are the best indicators.

post #1956 of 2340

Is there any information how Prometheus is tracking?

post #1957 of 2340

Don't know what the tracking is yet.

post #1958 of 2340

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post #1959 of 2340
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Don't know what the tracking is yet.

It's a month away so the tracking isn't there yet.  Don't expect huge numbers.  It's a hard sell outside of horror and scifi fans.

post #1960 of 2340

Tickets booked!!

post #1961 of 2340
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It's a hard sell outside of horror and scifi fans.

 

It doesn't need to sell much outside those genres...horror and especially sci-fi are the biggest money makers in the biz...we're not talking about a period piece.

post #1962 of 2340

O/T...

 

Watching the Director's Cut of Alien in HD right now for the first time.

 

Ridley, you magnificent bastard...

post #1963 of 2340
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O/T...

 

Watching the Director's Cut of Alien in HD right now for the first time.

 

Ridley, you magnificent bastard...

 

 

 

He has since said he only re-cut the film because Fox asked him to for marketing purposes, and that he considers the theatrical version his definitive cut.

post #1964 of 2340

I think the budget's around $125-150m. Initially Ridley asked for double of that, but when they declined he had Lindelof do some rewrites and they proposed something for less than $150m. I've heard they were then so pleased with the results that they increased the budget to make the FX scenes even better, but don't know how much. Guess this will have to do more than $300m to be considered a success.

Schedule:


May 25 - Men in Black 3 3D

June 1 - Snow White and the Huntsman, Piranha 3DD
June 9 - PROMETHEUS 3D, Madagascar 3 3D

June 15 - Rock of Ages, That's my Boy

June 22 - Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter 3D, Brave 3D
June 29 - GI Joe 2
 

Overall, it doesn't look all to bad for Prometheus. It'll probably only open on #3 behind Snow White and Madagascar and two weeks later it'll be hurt by Fox' own Lincoln, but for a while it's pretty much the only non-colorful, non-fun movie to choose.
 

post #1965 of 2340
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He has since said he only re-cut the film because Fox asked him to for marketing purposes, and that he considers the theatrical version his definitive cut.

 

Re-visiting the Alien anthology set earlier this year I became conflicted with the different versions of Alien and Aliens.  The theatrical of Alien is better for losing the pace-breaking Dallas-cocooned scene, but you also lose the scene of Ripely getting slapped by a crazed Lambert, and other smaller miscelleanous shots.

 

Likewise, Aliens' theatrical is better for losing the opening which features a bunch of characters we don't care about or see again, but it also lacks the essential scene of Ripley finding out about her daughter.

 

Why haven't they allowed consumers the ability to remake films via their own blurays yet?  Imagine being given the option to re-arrange a set amount of deleted scenes back into the feature?  I'd love that.

 

Also:  proud to be the owner of two IMAX tickets for Prometheus.  Though kind of wary about the 3D, I really am sick of it now.  I find it ironic that (for me at least) nothing since Avatar has made good use of it.  Every couple months people come out with "oh, the 3D is great this time, seriously!" and every time I fin that...it's not.  Transformers 3, How To Train Your Dragon, Avengers, whatever, nothing has come close to Cameron's immersive world, today's 3D is just a weight on the bridge of my nose and the image is just darker than 2D.  Good 3D is finding a balance between not being obnoxiously in your face and not being so subtle that you forget it's there.  Luckily I haven't seen any 3D that throws stuff at me, it's mostly just so subtle that I find there's no point to it.

 

Would be nice if the 3D in Prometheus is just relegated to holographics and motes of dust in corridors.

post #1966 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken View Post

 He has since said he only re-cut the film because Fox asked him to for marketing purposes, and that he considers the theatrical version his definitive cut.

 

Fair enough, but this was also the first time I'd seen it in HD, which was my bigger thrill.

 

But as Cog mentioned above, that extra slapping scene was aces.

post #1967 of 2340

I'm really curious to see how Weyland Corporation is shown in this film.  After re-watching Alien and Aliens recently, I sort of developed my own "fan theory" about them.  I always thought it was interesting to add the element of Ripley being lost out in space for 57 years.  I would imagine a "life boat" spacecraft would have some sort of tracking device on it, and I believe it was mentioned that she sort of drifted undetected through the core systems.  I started to think, wouldn't it make sense that W/Y just left her out there to die?  They would of had to know that the Nostromo was blown up, and that the shuttle was deployed before destruction, wouldn't they?  Knowing the Alien couldn't be piloting the shuttle, I could see them just wanting to leave the situation alone.  Report that the ship was blown up due to unknown reasons, all were lost.  No point in rescuing the survivors considering what went down on the Nostromo and LV-426.

 

That also brings up the plot hole of the signal from the derelict ship.  Why wouldn't the colony have found the ship, it's a planetoid that is only 1200km in diameter, so why did it take Ripley coming back for the wheels to begin moving?   Seems like they would of at least stumbled across the transmission the Nostromo picked up in the depths of space, right?  Well, W/Y already tried to bring a sample back, and look how that ended.  Why not do the research on LV-426?  Why not make the planetoid a place that is livable for people, then set up a permanent science division on the planet?  Terraform the planet, set up the colony on the opposite side of the LV-426, and when it is all done, start the research.

 

The information given in Aliens, says it was Burke who sent the colony out there to find it, for the soul purpose of him getting a full share from the Bio Weapons division.  To me, it seemed like he did this alone.  He listened to Ripley's testimony in front of the ICC, and did some "digging".  Went behind the companies back, and caused the total destruction of Hadley's Hope.

 

Only in Alien 3, did the company seem to be completely EVIL.  But then again, Alien 3 is a hyper-sleep dream and once Ripley, Hicks and Newt wake up they can begin their life as a space family.  LOL

post #1968 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers View Post

I think the budget's around $125-150m. Initially Ridley asked for double of that, but when they declined he had Lindelof do some rewrites and they proposed something for less than $150m. I've heard they were then so pleased with the results that they increased the budget to make the FX scenes even better, but don't know how much. Guess this will have to do more than $300m to be considered a success.

Schedule:


May 25 - Men in Black 3 3D

June 1 - Snow White and the Huntsman, Piranha 3DD
June 9 - PROMETHEUS 3D, Madagascar 3 3D

June 15 - Rock of Ages, That's my Boy

June 22 - Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter 3D, Brave 3D
June 29 - GI Joe 2
 

Overall, it doesn't look all to bad for Prometheus. It'll probably only open on #3 behind Snow White and Madagascar and two weeks later it'll be hurt by Fox' own Lincoln, but for a while it's pretty much the only non-colorful, non-fun movie to choose.
 

 

My magic 8 ball tells me that Prometheus is going to come in #1 it's opening weekend and cream $300 if you include international.  NOBODY over 17 is going to see Huntsmen over this, and that includes girls - Hemsworth and Stewart are way less interesting than marketing for this stupid movie wants you to believe.  I also think parents have burned out on the shitty Madagascar trailer playing in front of every movie for the last 8 months.  That's just my magic 8 ball talking, so if you want to argue with it, more power to you, I have nothing to back up my prediction except magic.

post #1969 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Monster Pete View Post

I'm really curious to see how Weyland Corporation is shown in this film.  After re-watching Alien and Aliens recently, I sort of developed my own "fan theory" about them.  I always thought it was interesting to add the element of Ripley being lost out in space for 57 years.  I would imagine a "life boat" spacecraft would have some sort of tracking device on it, and I believe it was mentioned that she sort of drifted undetected through the core systems.  I started to think, wouldn't it make sense that W/Y just left her out there to die?  They would of had to know that the Nostromo was blown up, and that the shuttle was deployed before destruction, wouldn't they?  Knowing the Alien couldn't be piloting the shuttle, I could see them just wanting to leave the situation alone.  Report that the ship was blown up due to unknown reasons, all were lost.  No point in rescuing the survivors considering what went down on the Nostromo and LV-426.

That also brings up the plot hole of the signal from the derelict ship.  Why wouldn't the colony have found the ship, it's a planetoid that is only 1200km in diameter, so why did it take Ripley coming back for the wheels to begin moving?   Seems like they would of at least stumbled across the transmission the Nostromo picked up in the depths of space, right?  Well, W/Y already tried to bring a sample back, and look how that ended.  Why not do the research on LV-426?  Why not make the planetoid a place that is livable for people, then set up a permanent science division on the planet?  Terraform the planet, set up the colony on the opposite side of the LV-426, and when it is all done, start the research.

The information given in Aliens, says it was Burke who sent the colony out there to find it, for the soul purpose of him getting a full share from the Bio Weapons division.  To me, it seemed like he did this alone.  He listened to Ripley's testimony in front of the ICC, and did some "digging".  Went behind the companies back, and caused the total destruction of Hadley's Hope.

Only in Alien 3, did the company seem to be completely EVIL.  But then again, Alien 3 is a hyper-sleep dream and once Ripley, Hicks and Newt wake up they can begin their life as a space family.  LOL

What I don't understand - and I am sure someone will either point out my stupidity or explain - if Weyland knew that there was something down there - either because of the events in Prometheus or other intelligence, and that the Nostromo was been destroyed, then why don't they send a specific unit to go to the derelict to get the eggs? After all they spend the sequels trying to get a living alien? also, why would it be a surprise that the colony has lost contact - surely that would be an outcome within a range of outcomes that they would want? Apologises if this has already been asked and answered.
post #1970 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Monster Pete View Post

I'm really curious to see how Weyland Corporation is shown in this film.  After re-watching Alien and Aliens recently, I sort of developed my own "fan theory" about them.  I always thought it was interesting to add the element of Ripley being lost out in space for 57 years.  I would imagine a "life boat" spacecraft would have some sort of tracking device on it, and I believe it was mentioned that she sort of drifted undetected through the core systems.  I started to think, wouldn't it make sense that W/Y just left her out there to die?  They would of had to know that the Nostromo was blown up, and that the shuttle was deployed before destruction, wouldn't they?  Knowing the Alien couldn't be piloting the shuttle, I could see them just wanting to leave the situation alone.  Report that the ship was blown up due to unknown reasons, all were lost.  No point in rescuing the survivors considering what went down on the Nostromo and LV-426.

 

That also brings up the plot hole of the signal from the derelict ship.  Why wouldn't the colony have found the ship, it's a planetoid that is only 1200km in diameter, so why did it take Ripley coming back for the wheels to begin moving?   Seems like they would of at least stumbled across the transmission the Nostromo picked up in the depths of space, right?  Well, W/Y already tried to bring a sample back, and look how that ended.  Why not do the research on LV-426?  Why not make the planetoid a place that is livable for people, then set up a permanent science division on the planet?  Terraform the planet, set up the colony on the opposite side of the LV-426, and when it is all done, start the research.

 

The information given in Aliens, says it was Burke who sent the colony out there to find it, for the soul purpose of him getting a full share from the Bio Weapons division.  To me, it seemed like he did this alone.  He listened to Ripley's testimony in front of the ICC, and did some "digging".  Went behind the companies back, and caused the total destruction of Hadley's Hope.

 

Only in Alien 3, did the company seem to be completely EVIL.  But then again, Alien 3 is a hyper-sleep dream and once Ripley, Hicks and Newt wake up they can begin their life as a space family.  LOL

 

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Check out my post from a while ago. We seem to be on the same wavelength here:

 

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen View Post

 

Caution: Fanfiction ahead!

 

So Ripley explodes the Nostromo. The company doesn't know that she survived, so they consider the entire ship and crew lost, which is why they don't go search for her. Instead, they send a team to examine the derelict and the creature on LV-426. But to hide it from the government or competing corporations, they do it under the guise of a colony/terraforming job. Since there isn't hyperspace in the Alien universe (that's why they need hypersleep), it takes 20+ years for the colony to arrive. The colony sets down on LV-426 near the derelict (but far enough away that the regular crew of the colony won't discover it), and while the terraforming process begins, the secret mission unfolds in the dark. Scientists and military crew sneaking off to the derelict to gather samples. This goes on for another 20+ years in secret. Then Ripley's craft gets picked up by pure chance. She's interviewed. Burke doesn't know about the true nature of the colony on LV-426, only a few higher-ups do. So when he hears about the creature from Ripley, he secretly sends off some colonists to check it out. And that's when shit hits the fan. Not being a trained and military-supported crew like the one that's been examining the derelict for 20+ years, the colonists get infected. They sneak back to the colony (they weren't supposed to leave the colony in the first place!) and the alien infestation spreads and wipes out the entire colony.

 

Here's how this could've been shown in the movie: In the deleted scene of the "mom and pop survey team" discovering the derelict, have the derelict be covered by camouflage to hide it from orbital scans, as well as having a lot of dusty and rusty scientific equipment set up around it to make it clear that this thing has been examined and scrutinized for decades. Also, when Ripley confronts Burke, instead of his line being "I didn't know!", it's "I didn't know about the true nature of this colony!".

 

Thoughts?

post #1971 of 2340

Check out this interesting article about the upcoming game Aliens: Colonial Marines.  Supposedly the game will be part of canon and ties Aliens and Alien 3.  I wonder if anything from Prometheus will immediately invalidate anything in the game, though apparently they've talked to Ridley Scott during the making of it.

post #1972 of 2340
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What I don't understand - and I am sure someone will either point out my stupidity or explain - if Weyland knew that there was something down there - either because of the events in Prometheus or other intelligence, and that the Nostromo was been destroyed, then why don't they send a specific unit to go to the derelict to get the eggs? After all they spend the sequels trying to get a living alien? also, why would it be a surprise that the colony has lost contact - surely that would be an outcome within a range of outcomes that they would want? Apologises if this has already been asked and answered.

 

Maybe they did?  57 years is a long time, and it's very possible they sent another team out there.  Maybe they were killed or maybe they told W/Y that there is to much risk to bring a sample back and there best course of action would be to do research on the planet.  With groups like the ICC overseeing what these companies are doing, it is probably better to do this research "off the grid".  They even bring that up in Alien:R, that this new group is in unregulated space. 

 

I for one, love that it is really never explained.  Keeps a cloud of mystery around W/Y. 

 

I don't think the company had any real idea what the Alien was, when watching Alien 3 you see them show up with a cage for the Alien.  I'm sure that will work.

post #1973 of 2340
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Check out my post from a while ago. We seem to be on the same wavelength here:

 

 

Burke had acted alone in Aliens as far as I know. It's possible that some people, a little lower in the totem pole of company execs knew about the incident on LV-426 many moons ago. Burke never acted on sending out a team until he heard Ripley's story. 

post #1974 of 2340

If they wanted Ripley dead and knew where she was they would've just flown there and destroyed her ship, not leave her to drift for decades. That seems like a loose end that Weyland wouldn't risk.

post #1975 of 2340
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If they wanted Ripley dead and knew where she was they would've just flown there and destroyed her ship, not leave her to drift for decades. That seems like a loose end that Weyland wouldn't risk.

 

 

Nostromo blew up, and they just called it... they just walked away, "Nothing to see here, move along". 

 

If W/Y wanted Ripley, or that shuttle, they would have got it.  No way that shuttle wasn't transmitting a signal out (Worst Shuttle EVER, if it wasn't).  Which even adds more to my theory, why wouldn't any other company or group have stumbled across the shuttle signal, unless it was turned off by the company.  Ripley being dead, or lost, was better for the company then her being found.  So why not just kill her, as you said?

 

With the presence of the ICC, I couldn't imagine W/Y wanting to risk sending out a "search and destroy" craft just to blow up one Warrant Officer floating in space.  Leave her out there to die.  No need to bring her back, no need to waste resources and risk exposing anything.  They would also be making whatever crew they send out there, somewhat aware that this shuttle is dangerous.  Creating more questions.  It's a gamble either way, and even Burke says it was dumb luck, that a DEEP SPACE Salvage team found her.  There is no other reasoning behind her being left out there.  Maybe W/Y even altered the shuttles course so it would drift between the core system undetected.  Plus, add in the fact that space travel probably isn't cost efficient, even in the future and prepping a team and a shuttle then sending them out for a couple months just to blow up one survivor doesn't seem as efficient and cost effective as rerouting the shuttle and forgetting about it. 

 

 

Even when Ripley was recovered, what happened to her?  W/Y didn't bring her in for questioning, or to access her story about the creature personally.  That was all done by the ICC.   They wanted nothing to do with her.  Ship her off warehouse and have her move boxes boxes for the rest of her life.  Declare her crazy, and ship her away.

 

But then again, it's just my theory.  I just like to imagine a boardroom meeting after the Nostomo blew up and the head of W/Y shouting "THERE WERE NO SURVIVORS..... LET HER ROT!"

 

One reason I LOVE the Alien series is, unlike the Star Wars series, there are so many questions and unexplained situations.  I like that we don't have everything spoon fed to us.  Even the company's knowledge of the Derelict ship is fun to talk about.  Kind of hoping Prometheus doesn't directly answer that. 

post #1976 of 2340
Good points Pete - I agree that not having the answers makes the films much more interesting - in fact one of my concerns is the harm Prometheus could do to Alien.
post #1977 of 2340
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Burke had acted alone in Aliens as far as I know. It's possible that some people, a little lower in the totem pole of company execs knew about the incident on LV-426 many moons ago. Burke never acted on sending out a team until he heard Ripley's story. 

 


Was this really a reply to my post? Because nothing I wrote disagrees with that...

post #1978 of 2340

Advance Prometheus Screening Reaction
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This person is legit.
More here http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/825

post #1979 of 2340

Freaky and bigger aliens?  Well now I am really excited.

post #1980 of 2340

Guess he could be talking about the space-jockeys there...

post #1981 of 2340
post #1982 of 2340

prometheus-movie-ticket.jpg

post #1983 of 2340

What's a pirate's favorite rating?

post #1984 of 2340

Wait, it screened?  When and where?

post #1985 of 2340
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Wait, it screened?  When and where?

Not to sound like an AICN talkbacker, but there is currently more chlorophyll surrounding this film, than the deleted ending of 'Little Shop of Horrors'...

post #1986 of 2340
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Not to sound like an AICN talkbacker, but there is currently more chlorophyll surrounding this film, than the deleted ending of 'Little Shop of Horrors'...

 

I'm to dense to get the analogy?  Green?  Money? 

post #1987 of 2340

Collider says they've contacted Fox, who confirmed Prometheus is rated 'R' for “sci-fi violence including some intense images, and brief language.”

post #1988 of 2340
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Wait, it screened?  When and where?

 

I think the ADVANCED printed on that ticket should answer your question.

 

Dissapointed in GDT attitude in not wanting to make atMoM because of Prometheus.  Sounds like he spoiled the ending.  Sour Grapes for getting shot down in his quest to make a R rated big budget film?

post #1989 of 2340
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Dissapointed in GDT attitude in not wanting to make atMoM because of Prometheus.  Sounds like he spoiled the ending.  Sour Grapes for getting shot down in his quest to make a R rated big budget film?

 

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Does this count as an At the Mountains of Madness adaptation?

 

What do I win?!

post #1990 of 2340
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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post

 

 

What do I win?!

 

A vision that will cause instant insanity

post #1991 of 2340
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I'm to dense to get the analogy?  Green?  Money? 

They may offer you fortune and fame
Love and money and instant acclaim
But whatever they offer you
Don't feed the plants

They may offer you lots of cheap thrills
Fancy condos in Beverly Hills
But whatever they offer you
Don't feed the plants

 

post #1992 of 2340
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Collider says they've contacted Fox, who confirmed Prometheus is rated 'R' for “sci-fi violence including some intense images, and brief language.”

 

 

What the feck is 'brief language?'

 

"...'Sup?"

 

"...'Kay?"

 

"...'Kin Hell!!"

post #1993 of 2340

or talking underwear

post #1994 of 2340
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I think the ADVANCED printed on that ticket should answer your question.

 

 

But the date says 6/8/12...the "advance" would mean advance ticket sale.

post #1995 of 2340
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But the date says 6/8/12...the "advance" would mean advance ticket sale.

 

Who the Hell buys an ADVANCE ticket a WEEK AFTER the fil...

 

...oh, sorrry...just realised...

post #1996 of 2340
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But the date says 6/8/12...the "advance" would mean advance ticket sale.

 

Um yes, June 8th, when the film comes out at 12:01.  I'm assuming your post about "wait, it screened" was about the ticket pic.

post #1997 of 2340
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Originally Posted by VectorSkullz View Post

Advance Prometheus Screening Reaction
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This person is legit.
More here http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/825

 

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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post

Wait, it screened?  When and where?


I think Ambler's talking about the top quote, no? Not the pic of the Advance ticket.

 

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Originally Posted by Monster Pete View Post

Dissapointed in GDT attitude in not wanting to make atMoM because of Prometheus.  Sounds like he spoiled the ending.  Sour Grapes for getting shot down in his quest to make a R rated big budget film?

I called it. Course, I thought it would have been more the studio's decision...

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Between this and the THING remaquel... no wonder Universal didn't want to finance that one. ALIEN and THE THING are already so heavily influenced by HPL. Tough to make that one seem original at this point. Course, that didn't stop Disney from footing the bill for JOHN CARTER.

post #1998 of 2340

Just seen the trailer in Imax in Edinburgh. Jeebus.  I wish I lived near an imax theatre.

post #1999 of 2340

And we're rated R! Thats the last thing I need to know about this baby. Holy shitcakes, this is going to be wonderful.

post #2000 of 2340

And Neville Page is still credited as a designer..... ugh.

 

Tell me I'm not the only one nervous about his participation.  I find his cinematic monsters to be, underwhelming at best.  Not deserving to share the same universe as the Alien.

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