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post #2201 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:36am

Monster Pete you're half right

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post #2202 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:40am
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But the thing is, there are two kinds of mixed reviews. There are the reviews that are mixed because reactions are polarised between love and hate - these are the exciting reactions because it suggests the movie is challenging and provocative and works entirely for some people. They're the ones that tend to become classics.

 

Then there are the reviews that are mixed because the film itself is a mixed bag. To be honest the lack of any real raves and the fact most of the reactions seem to be middling to positive suggest this is more likely to be the case with Prometheus. They still seem to be positive more often than not but it sounds like the script may be a little less than amazing (though it is a French translation of the script I guess).

There are also reviews that are mixed because some critics are fucking morons. Few and far between, but they certainly drag down the average.

 

So, is this a prequel to Alien? Do we know yet? I wish they'd stop dicking us around. We should know by now. Is it a prequel or not? Or is it its own thing? I gotta know.

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post #2203 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:50am

I'm pretty sure it's about as close to Alien as Avatar is to Aliens. In that there is similar tech and visual similarities, but aside from a few winks (SJ's, Weyland-Yutani, Giger-ish monster designs) there will be no connection.

 

 

Which is another reason there will be some hate for this movie.

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post #2204 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander View Post

Monster Pete you're half right

 

Care to correct the other half?  I'm a huge alien fan, but my patience is pushed to the limit when I go into those AVP forums. 

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post #2205 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Gabe T View Post

So, is this a prequel to Alien? Do we know yet? I wish they'd stop dicking us around. We should know by now. Is it a prequel or not? Or is it its own thing? I gotta know.

 

Empire interview with Ridley Scott appeared few hours ago...

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post #2206 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander View Post

I'm pretty sure it's about as close to Alien as Avatar is to Aliens. In that there is similar tech and visual similarities, but aside from a few winks (SJ's, Weyland-Yutani, Giger-ish monster designs) there will be no connection.

 

 

Which is another reason there will be some hate for this movie.

 

What I've been reading is the nods are very heavy nods.  That the space jockey, weyland and such serve no purpose other then to connect it to Alien.  Almost like they had this story they wanted to tell, and inserted Alien elements to connect them.  That's just what I've read, but I also read about, well, check out my spoiler post 2 pages back. 

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post #2207 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:55am

Pete:

i made the mistake of entering said forums last week, which is why I'm attempting to stay away from spoilers for the next week

to answer your question:

 

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there is a MASSIVE xeno at the end. however, its connected to the Squiggles creature revealed earlier, and let's just say there is a reason Guillermo Del Toro is more or less giving up on At The Mountains of Madness.

There is no direct connection to Alien though.

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post #2208 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Andres View Post

 

Empire interview with Ridley Scott appeared few hours ago...

It's from Empire, 2 issues ago (not to be a dick, just sayin').

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post #2209 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:56am

Do I really need to explain it that every time I come into this thread to pedantically ask whether it's a prequel or not, I'm joking?

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post #2210 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Monster Pete View Post

 

What I've been reading is the nods are very heavy nods.  That the space jockey, weyland and such serve no purpose other then to connect it to Alien.  Almost like they had this story they wanted to tell, and inserted Alien elements to connect them.  That's just what I've read, but I also read about, well, check out my spoiler post 2 pages back. 

 

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I've been reading the same thing the past few weeks, and while all those might be thrown in to connect the films thematically and visually, I'm pretty sure there isn't a point in the film where you say "soooo that's how that ship got there in alien!"

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post #2211 of 2340
5/29/12 at 11:59am
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i think you will walk out understanding what the derelict was, who was in that seat, and how all those eggs appeared. but i highly highly HIGHLY doubt they would stoop so low as to literally connect the dots for us.

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post #2212 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:36pm
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i think you will walk out understanding what the derelict was, who was in that seat, and how all those eggs appeared. but i highly highly HIGHLY doubt they would stoop so low as to literally connect the dots for us.


I would really laugh out loud though it it turned out to be Weyland. It would be impossible for me to take it seriously at that point. That just sounds so bad, like worse than anything in Indy 4 or the SW prequels bad.

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post #2213 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:38pm

I for one hope the Space Jockey is Weyland, and he is sooooooooo mad that Miss Yutani is forcing a corporate merger, that he is hellbent on flying the croissant back to earth, just to bomb her penthouse suite with alien eggs.   Then of course, the Predators arrive at earth, and offer Yutani a deal.  She gives them the Pred Cannon, they will blow that Weyland guy and his pastry spacehip out of the sky!! 

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post #2214 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:43pm

I have a feeling this movie is going to be compared to the Star Trek reboot. Shaky script, over ambitious, but excellent visuals and inspired acting

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post #2215 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:46pm

I'm going to pretend that nothing I know about this film, or that has been rumored is real and just get really really baked out of my mind when I go to see it. That might help.

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post #2216 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:48pm

grab some edibles, theyll last the entire running time..

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post #2217 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander View Post

I have a feeling this movie is going to be compared to the Star Trek reboot. Shaky script, over ambitious, but excellent visuals and inspired acting

 

I know many people are going to mad if this film isn't more heavily related to Alien.  I went ahead and brought the film up at work during lunch, and people were actually aware that it was coming out.  They said "oh, the new Alien film?  Just saw a TV preview for it".

 

I still think this film would have worked as a direct Alien prequel.  Changing the creatures around, isn't going to make them scary.  Alien isn't scary anymore, but the reason people still watch it, is because they love the creature, and it's a good film.  No matter how good this film may be, I still think the general opinion will be that the creatures were a let down in campirsion. 

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post #2218 of 2340
5/29/12 at 12:58pm
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I don't have sources at the moment, but I have read somewhere that before Ridley saw Giger's Necronomicon book, the designs for their alien was a tentacled creature, but that if done with practical effects at the time just didn't look right/wasn't scary enough. I think if you go back and read about the early production of Alien there will be a ton of concept carryover into this movie.

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post #2219 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:03pm

just seeing the previews.  The way they walk into the room of "egg like" cannisters.  Shaw becoming pregnant with a alien creature.  What harm would it have been, to make that the Alien?  From what I've heard, the script was originaly a direct prequel, but was changed and tweaked to be a stand alone.  Why?  I think the Alien could still be an effective monster, if the film is done RIGHT.  Even the most forgiving Alien fan will say the series is 50/50 at best, but that isn't the fault of the Alien, it's because the story they wrote around it was shit. 

 

I'm not going to buy the argument that Ridley had no desire to make another Alien film, because he clearly did at some point.  I'm just wondering what the thought process was to change it around?

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post #2220 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:07pm

I think from the get go it was never Ridley's intention to make a connect the dots film. I think it's why he took Spaihts script, which was, from what I gather, just that, and took it to someone else to be rewritten. He's expressed in interviews both recently and in the past that he wanted to explore the Space Jockeys, because he felt they were the true mystery of the first film. I could tell you every single detail about the xenomorph, and even what I don't know about them I could make a very educated guess with what we learn through the three films. But the Space Jockeys? All I know is that they had a hand in creating the xenomorphs, and that's it.

 

So while I agree with you, at the same time I would rather have more questions at the end, and have this lead into a whole new saga, than to just rehash what we've already seen.

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post #2221 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:12pm

but it doesn't have to be a rehash.  I mean, if the creatures aren't the Alien, how does changing that element make it NOT a rehash?  For me, being a huge Alien fan, the series has been beaten, bloodied, and dragged through the mud.  It deserves to be treated with a respect, and made whole again by a good filmmaker.  Why not Ridley?  He is the babie's daddy. 

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post #2222 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:20pm

I think Ridley wants to explore the following. We know that the Space Jockeys created the Alien somehow. This we know. We know that they are the ultimate killing machine. We know that it's a parasite that bonds with it's hosts DNA. We know that it has acid for blood, we know the life cycle, and we know that it has a penchant for smashing skulls with its inner jaws.

 

What I don't know: What is a Space Jockey? How are they powerful enough to create this terrifying creature? If they had the technology to create the xenomorph, I want to know what the hell else they've been cooking up.

 

I understand you want to see more xeno, who doesn't? But there has already been three films dedicated to the creature. I want more out of this movie, show me something I don't know. And I think that's exactly what Ridley wanted to do.

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post #2223 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:29pm

But of those three, all brought in new elements.  He could have done the same here.  Took something we knew, and changed it up. 

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post #2224 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:32pm

I don't want to spoil anything, but

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I don't think we are going to see an At The Mountains of Madness adaptation anytime soon.

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post #2225 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:46pm
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I don't want to spoil anything, but

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I don't think we are going to see an At The Mountains of Madness adaptation anytime soon.


Well, yeah, that's directly what Guillermo del Toro said. 

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post #2226 of 2340
5/29/12 at 1:52pm

Well considering how that script and this one have near identical beats, and that Ridley and Damon have both said this leads into a Prometheus 2 and not Alien, I just don't get how people are still saying this leads directly into Alien

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post #2227 of 2340
5/29/12 at 2:12pm

Empire posted their review.  

 

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=4513

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post #2228 of 2340
5/29/12 at 2:19pm
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Empire posted their review.  

 

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=4513

 

while I hate to even type it, LOL indeed

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post #2229 of 2340
5/29/12 at 2:52pm
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I think the enduring legacy of Alien 3 is Charles Dance's fine work...

And, IMO, Dutton is quite the badass motivational speaker in this. Also, Goldenthal's score is nice. The rest?

 

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Empire posted their review.  

 

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=4513

I don't get the joke.

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post #2230 of 2340
5/29/12 at 2:54pm
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I don't get the joke.

 

it's not the same movie whatsoever

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post #2231 of 2340
5/29/12 at 2:57pm
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Empire posted their review.  

 

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=4513

 

Well shit, looks like there are no aliens, or anything cool. 

 

Oh wait, I see what happened....

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post #2232 of 2340
5/29/12 at 3:11pm

I kind of want to see this.

 

but not really

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119956/

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post #2233 of 2340
5/29/12 at 5:10pm

Seeing this baby tomorrow.  Finally.

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post #2234 of 2340
5/29/12 at 5:42pm
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Empire posted their review.  

 

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=4513

 

 

 

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 including a scene where a woman, mistaken for a cow, is slaughtered and cremated in an abattoir

 

SPOILER!

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post #2235 of 2340
5/29/12 at 5:42pm
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Seeing this baby tomorrow.  Finally.

 

wtf_star_trek-12873.jpg

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post #2236 of 2340
5/29/12 at 6:22pm

Please guys, open a post-release thread for ongoing spoiler discussions. 

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post #2237 of 2340
5/29/12 at 6:44pm

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post #2238 of 2340
5/29/12 at 7:49pm

http://wlswarts.blogspot.com/2012/05/divorced-from-marketing-prometheus-is.html

 

 

Thought I'd post this if anyone is interested, it's the first review from the french screening I've found that's written in English.   It does have one pretty big spoiler in it, so beware.  The guy/site seems legit.  He gave it a 9.5 out 10.

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post #2239 of 2340
5/29/12 at 9:27pm

in response to that review:

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it seems like his biggest nitpick is that the story beats are all too familiar, but I mean, hell, there's only so many ways the story can go, especially once the trailers started dropping

 

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post #2240 of 2340
5/29/12 at 9:53pm
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Please guys, open a post-release thread for ongoing spoiler discussions. 

 

 

THIS!  Please!  ....pretty, please?

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post #2241 of 2340
5/29/12 at 9:58pm

Can somebody else do it, I would but honestly I'd probably mess it up

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post #2242 of 2340
5/29/12 at 10:34pm
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Do I really need to explain it that every time I come into this thread to pedantically ask whether it's a prequel or not, I'm joking?

Yes since I don't read every dammed post you throw her. Peace?

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post #2243 of 2340
5/30/12 at 2:03am
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Well considering how that script and this one have near identical beats, and that Ridley and Damon have both said this leads into a Prometheus 2 and not Alien, I just don't get how people are still saying this leads directly into Alien

 

Exactly.  Besides, if anyone is that worried about seeing "xenomorphs" in this franchise again I have no doubt that:

 

A) Fox is going to do another regular Alien film at some point.  Trust me, it'll happen.......be it an Alien 5, a third AVP film (likely spacebound and ignoring the other two), or some oddball sidequel.

 

B)

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Judging from some of the leaked info, which might just see said beastie (or a version of it) in Prometheus 2 if and when it gets made.

 

 

People need to stop worrying about it.  Just sayin'.

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post #2244 of 2340
5/30/12 at 6:11am
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Exactly.  Besides, if anyone is that worried about seeing "xenomorphs" in this franchise again I have no doubt that:

 

 

I'm not worried about not seeing them again, I'm worried about not seeing them used right again.

 

I just have a feeling, after seeing this film, it's going to be somewhat evident that the creatures in here were orginally going to be the Alien, and it was just changed "because".   

 

Another AVP film?  FUCK THAT. 

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post #2245 of 2340
5/30/12 at 8:41am

Okay, the Hollywood Reporter has a review out now.  I'm not posting a link to it here, but wasn't there an embargo?  Wait...and I see that The Gaurdian has one, as well.  

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post #2246 of 2340
5/30/12 at 8:48am
Thread Starter 
And an extremely postive one from The Guardian.
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post #2247 of 2340
5/30/12 at 8:49am
Thread Starter 
Sorry, I meant the Daily Telegraph.
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post #2248 of 2340
5/30/12 at 8:57am

Sounds like the film suffers from the Lindeloff script.  Is anyone surprised?  I have a feeling Spaiths original script was great, but was too expensive and ambitious for Fox so Lindeloff came and Fox'd it up.  As in, stripped the nutrients out and added more sugar.

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post #2249 of 2340
5/30/12 at 9:17am

just caught an HBO "First Look" segment on Prometheus....lots of stuff that has been already seen/heard but it did go a little more into depth on the design aspects of the ship/vehicles.

 

Apologies if this has been brought up here before (I think it has)....perhaps it will be it's own thread...?

 

I can't help but think the advertising for the film should have been more vague and mysterious....more along the line of the first Alien movie.

The current "action adventure" versions of the trailers/tv ads would seem to visually "give too much away". IMO, they should have stuck with a more creepy, enigmatic tone...go for a feeling of 'dread' instead of 'action'.

 

That being said, I haven't seen it yet so maybe there is more than enough dread to go around....?   

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post #2250 of 2340
5/30/12 at 3:25pm
Peter Sciretta of ‏Slashfilm tweets:
 
"I've been given the go ahead. I can tell you I've seen Prometheus and I can confirm that it is awesome.
Prometheus: Not only is it thrilling, but it leaves you asking questions. (remember, @DamonLindelof is involved after all)"
 
 
Steven Weintraub of Collider tweets:
 
"Prometheus is the type of big budget sci-fi that studios rarely make. Extremely well done. Don't read reviews. Just go see it."
 
 
Daily Telegraph's Robbie Collin tweets:
 
"PROMETHEUS is, um, absolutely nuts. Not perfect by a stretch but there are ideas here you wouldn't expect a studio to touch with a 10ft pole."
 
 
Jennings Roth Cornet ‏of Screenrant tweets:
 
"I predict that #Prometheus will sway some 3D nay sayers. Simply stunning."
 
 
Daniel Fienberg ‏from HitFix:
 
"The first two acts of "Prometheus" are fairly tremendous — 2 or 3 classic fright scenes, some strong acting, good 3D.
The last chunk of "Prometheus" is trying to serve too many masters and becomes muddled, though not cripplingly so."
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