THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Pre-Release Thread

I think it has 100% to do with the fact that they think they need to retell the origin. Just recast it and make more Spidey stories; there's no need to do Uncle Ben getting shot again. There's so much more for the character than just knocking around feeling guilty about that.

Also, mechanical webshooters are dumb. So, so, so dumb. Yes, even in the comics.

It amuses me how differently Fox and Sony are handling these properties. I think Devin likend this reboot to somebody upending a chess board in frustration and starting over. Contrast that with Fox who are so desperately clinging on to a continuity that is utterly fucked.

I love me some Spidey but I just cannot fathom how giving us the origin again is a good idea. It'd be the equivilant of the next Bond film being Casino Royale. Utterly bizarre.

ETA. And yes, mechanical web shooters just don't work....

I'm not thrilled about another blast of the origin story either - loved the Bond analogy, man - but I've got too much time for the character and a lot of those involved (especially Garfield) not to be excited.

Still think Anton Yelchin would've made a great Peter though.

I feel confident saying that this will more closely resemble the Nolan Batman reboot than the Sam Raimi films.

Mike's Pants, YOU, dislike...Mechanical Web Shooters?  I expect that from...Greg Clark.  To me Sony, is...Finally going to get Spider-Man right!  Maybe, this Peter Parker will be endowed with a sense of Humor.  I want to see a Spider-Man that uses Puns to distract the villains, whether they be ordinary crooks or Supervillains.  Mechanical Web Shooters are better than the organic webbing as it shows that Peter is in the genius class of...Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Hank Pym.  I always thought that was...Awesome!  I also like that, Gwen Stacy is Peter's first girlfriend, and not MJ, whom started caring more for him after her death.  I think Andrew Garfield will show to be a real...Swinger, as Peter Parker Spider-Man that will have moviegoers saying...Sam Who? and Tobey Who? and No...Kirsten Dunst...Whew!

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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear 

I'm not thrilled about another blast of the origin story either - loved the Bond analogy, man - but I've got too much time for the character and a lot of those involved (especially Garfield) not to be excited.

 

Still think Anton Yelchin would've made a great Peter though.

I think as Andrew said, I'm not running for the hills, I just don't get it. Although after all the cock teasing I'll be glad to finally see the Lizard (poor Dylan Baker). Also Anton Yelchin is genius! 

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Originally Posted by duke fleed 

Mike's Pants, YOU, dislike...Mechanical Web Shooters?  I expect that from...Greg Clark.  To me Sony, is...Finally going to get Spider-Man right!  Maybe, this Peter Parker will be endowed with a sense of Humor.  I want to see a Spider-Man that uses Puns to distract the villains, whether they be ordinary crooks or Supervillains.  Mechanical Web Shooters are better than the organic webbing as it shows that Peter is in the genius class of...Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Hank Pym.  I always thought that was...Awesome!  I also like that, Gwen Stacy is Peter's first girlfriend, and not MJ, whom started caring more for him after her death.  I think Andrew Garfield will show to be a real...Swinger, as Peter Parker Spider-Man that will have moviegoers saying...Sam Who? and Tobey Who? and No...Kirsten Dunst...Whew!

In all honesty Duke, that's sort of why it didn't gel with me. Of course Pete was highly intelligent but having him up there with Stark, Richards and Squirrel Girl in the IQ dept. robs him of the "normal teen" angle that I think is the big sell of the character. Having said that I agree completely that we need a wisecracking Spidey. I love Raimi, I love Maguire but cryin' Spider-Man just wasn't doing it for me either!

Mike's Pants, One of the more endearing parts of Peter Parker, was that he was...Too Smart for his own good.  That is one of the reasons he gets picked on by Flash Thompson, is that Peter is a know it all, whom cannot defend himself.  He doesn't seem to fit in is social circles either.  It is not until he becomes Spider-Man, that he is able to overcome these things, and then experience new heights out of costume as well.  So, yeah, I like that he is a teen super genius.  

It's probably been mentioned before, but I like how Ultimate Spider-Man handled it: Peter finished a formula that his father had left behind for a superstrong goo that dissolves in an hour, then creates the mechanical webshooters. Maybe a little too convenient, but with the Parker parents included it isn't unlikely.

I'm not so much dissapointed in this being a reboot/origin story again (I bet it's not as bad as we think, maybe flashbacks to Uncle Ben) as it being more of the same. Someone Peter knows turns into a monster, he has to fight them.

I hope a sequel deals with the Man-Spider storyline, with Peter mutating more and more until he's an eight-legged freak. It could even bring back Dr. Connors to help Peter cure himself. This was something I had hoped for in a Raimi Spidey 4, since it could be played up horrifically, like body horror snuck into a mainstream superhero film the way Raim injected a little Evil Dead 2 into Spiderman 2 with the Dr. Octopus hospital scene.

Also, how about a little mafia? Doesn't need to be Kingpin, could be Silvermane or something.

Bartleby_Scriven, Hammerhead, would be...Awesome. A villain that takes the look of a...30's era gangster, replete with similar era gunsels, could be...Epic.  Then...The Maggia, Silvermane, Man Mountain Marko could be included as well.  I would also...Love to see, Black Cat Felicia Hardy introduced as well.

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

I feel confident saying that this will more closely resemble the Nolan Batman reboot than the Sam Raimi films.

I certainly hope not. For all their technical accomplishments and bravado, Nolan's Bat-flicks aren't the most fun films in the world, something that becomes more and more apparent with every viewing. Spidey should send people out of the theatre - prepare yourself for a pun very much intended - swinging from the rafters. Modeling this after Nolan's Bats isn't the surest way to go about achieving that. Whatever people say about Raimi's trilogy, its heart was in the right place.

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Originally Posted by Mike's Pants 

I think as Andrew said, I'm not running for the hills, I just don't get it.... Also Anton Yelchin is genius!

Oh, I'm with you; I still don't think there's any need for a reboot either, but a choice between a new Spidey film and none isn't a choice for me at all.

Thanks! I can't take credit for the Yelchin suggestion though, sadly. A mate of mine threw that out there recently and I've been romanticizing that idea ever since. As I said at the time, the guy was a convincing black-belt in Taekwondo in Alpha Dog. What's not to love about the idea of that scrawny wee scamp beating up thugs twice his size and quipping his way round town? He's so perfect for Peter's goofy side as well that I should probably stop getting so attached to something that isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by duke fleed 

Bartleby_Scriven, Hammerhead, would be...Awesome. A villain that takes the look of a...30's era gangster, replete with similar era gunsels, could be...Epic.  Then...The Maggia, Silvermane, Man Mountain Marko could be included as well.

That would be fantastic... and another great reason not to Nolan this (can you really see those characters getting that treatment?) At its best, Raimi's trilogy really captured the wonder of the 90's cartoon series. I don't want to see that compromised because of some bland notion that everything has to be very worthy and poker-faced because of Nolan.

So anybody catch the ten minutes of footage that was shown today as that special preview?

Honestly, I was super-impressed. I've been negative about this one so far, but the footage went a long way towards convincing me this would be worth watching. Compared to the earlier footage, I gotta say - I understand the rush to get a trailer out there, but it now seems clear that a lot of the effects weren't finished yet. Even now, they're still somewhat unfinished, but they they look better than the sometimes-ropey work from the Raimi films. Basically, calm your tits... this is no $80 million fly-by-night operation. This is a blockbuster.

First, the CONS:

-Spidey scored by pop music? I would go with this. Except that a Flashdance-esque training montage is scored to Street Fightin' Man (which doesn't make a whole lotta sense), and a flirting scene with Gwen Stacy is punctuated by the gentle strings of a middling Coldplay tune.

-Pandering. This Spidey still stinks of appealing to the younger set. There's skateboarding, parkour-based combat and the aforementioned pop music. Also, Spidey ocassionally spray-paints his symbol wherever he goes. Okay...

-The tone. Still can't figure out what they're going for here. Spidey's lighter, quippier, funnier, finally. But the movie overall looks pretty rough-and-tumble, pretty violent, and the Lizard looks pretty scary. Spider-Man's jokes seem almost ominous in that context. Hope it was just dodgy editing.

PROS:

-As I mentioned, Spidey jokes! There was an extended scene where he badgers a car thief, taunting him, tying him up and lightly torturing him with endless webbing. He has a pretty funny reaction to the thug asking if he's a cop.

-The action! The Lizard is a big, mean fucker, and they're going to be going at it many times in this film. He's kinda dinosaur-like, and in one scene he seriously fucks up a row of cars on the Brooklyn Bridge. There's also one huge looking money shot sequence of Spidey trying to get away from a toppling building.

-The effects. Not only does the CGI look great, but the practical stuff looks superb too. Raimi went CG most of the time, but when he used a physical Spidey, the stuntmen didn't always seem so limber. This Spider-Man, which seems MOSTLY practical, is like an actual gymnast. Looks phenomenal.

-Captain Stacy. Clearly Peter Parker is sort of a leftie, slightly anti-establishment, a little punky - whatever. But the counterpoint is Gwen's hard-edged dad, played by Denis Leary. It looks like they share some tense scenes together, both as Parker and as Spider-Man, including one preeetty surprising moment I won't spoil. He looks like he's playing the "Spider-Man's a menace" angle that Jameson did in the original, but more seriously.

-The 3D looked INCREDIBLE. Spider-Man is actually swinging at you. Never liked 3D, but this looked great.

UNSURE

The Lizard. Looks big and scaly and pretty scary, but they only showed him in flashes. He does have a giant tail, so that's pretty neat. Not sure how much of him is going to be Ifans, and how much will be monster-y.

Anyway, I went from open contempt to genuine anticipation.

Sweet. The more I learn about this one, the more it seems like it could be the sleeper blockbuster of the summer (not unlike Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes - another movie no one asked for but delivered like a muthafuckin' champ).

What did you make of the Peter/Gwen chemistry, Gabe?  

I think Devin had a pretty good description of this version of Peter in his positive assessment of the footage:  not your stereotypical nerd, but a more Trenchcoat Mafia-esque outsider.  It's an interesting counterpoint to Raimi's more straightforward, nerdy interpretation, and I definitely could see it working without seeming to pander.

EDIT:  Oh, and I'm sure most of you know by now, but the second trailer will be released tonight at 3AM EST.

Why does this thing feel like it's been in production forever?

I just can't bring myself to be interested. I think of Raimi gearing up for Spidey 4 and it just saddens me that we'd never know what he had planned. Although, from what I hear, the script never got to what Raimi wanted it to be with the looming start date approaching. So maybe bullet dodged on that front?

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What did you make of the Peter/Gwen chemistry, Gabe?  

 

I think Devin had a pretty good description of this version of Peter in his positive assessment of the footage:  not your stereotypical nerd, but a more Trenchcoat Mafia-esque outsider.  It's an interesting counterpoint to Raimi's more straightforward, nerdy interpretation, and I definitely could see it working without seeming to pander.

 

EDIT:  Oh, and I'm sure most of you know by now, but the second trailer will be released tonight at 3AM EST.

I have no idea what the fuck Devin is on regarding THAT description. I read Peter as slightly gawky or nerdy, but more or less generic, with a slight rebel streak. The movie is definitely portraying him as sort of a genius, so I think his smarts will be spotlighted over his angst.

As for the chemistry, it seemed alright, I guess. Couldn't really tell. Though they had one flirtation scene in a high school hallway that they showed us, with the Coldplay music, and I laughed, because it was so fake-quirky, and it was an almost abandoned high school, where it looked like no one had EVER stepped foot in those hallways. Weird bit of creepy unreality there.

If that trailer is the trailer I saw today, it will convert many. Though it's best to see it in 3D!
 

Honestly the novelty of seeing Spidey on the big screen has long since passed, I can't muster anymore enthusiasm for this than I could Marvel Comics releasing a new Spidey title.

Just what exactly can modern mainstream superhero films teach us that hasn't already been said a hundred times before - and probably better- in the last 12 years?

This is just Malibu Stacey with a new hat.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

Honestly the novelty of seeing Spidey on the big screen has long since passed, I can't muster anymore enthusiasm for this than I could Marvel Comics releasing a new Spidey title.

 

Just what exactly can modern mainstream superhero films teach us that hasn't already been said a hundred times before - and probably better- in the last 12 years?

 

This is just Malibu Stacey with a new hat.

To tell you the truth, I think the whole super-hero genre has played out and for better or worse has changed the landscape of blockbuster filmmaking forever. We need to learn to move on from it.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

This is just Malibu Stacey with a new hat.

This really needs to be on the one-sheet as the film's tagline.

That is groin-grabbingly great.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

Honestly the novelty of seeing Spidey on the big screen has long since passed, I can't muster anymore enthusiasm for this than I could Marvel Comics releasing a new Spidey title.

 

Just what exactly can modern mainstream superhero films teach us that hasn't already been said a hundred times before - and probably better- in the last 12 years?

 

This is just Malibu Stacey with a new hat.

I sorta get what you're saying, but Spider-Man is a character that's existed for fifty-something years. He contains multitudes. I don't think there's any reason to think a new movie can't tread new ground.
 

I think the main problem is with the superhero movie genre by itself. But what are ya gonna do? People keep seeing them, so they keep making them. And, for the most part, these movies could be a lot worse.

But there's no one single definitive superhero story, and there's no one distinct Spidey tale.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

I sorta get what you're saying, but Spider-Man is a character that's existed for fifty-something years. He contains multitudes. I don't think there's any reason to think a new movie can't tread new ground.

But this one so obviously isn't.

Bah, some people obviously just like the same old shit served up to them if it;s in the particular coloured tights their nostalgic for. Not knocking it, we all have our weakness, I just think I'm fed up to the back teeth with superheroes personally.

I really wish Clash Of The Titans hadn't been sweaty hairy-balled ass and had moved blockbuster Hollywood on from superheroes to full blown mythical high adventure.

The action film got around 15-20 years in its ascendancy, but the nature of the genre left itself a lot more open to reinterpretation than superheroes seem to.

Plenty will be in denial for the next few years, but I really believe this genre's spent.

...my god, to have seen myself typing that last sentence twenty years ago, when the idea of a superhero being brought to the big creen was still a complete and total novelty.

No offense Rain Dog, you're a smart guy and I like you, but you sound like the same people who were calling horror movies dead during the slasher cycle of the 80's, or somebody proclaiming rock n' roll dead in... I don't know, pick your decade. It just makes you sound like a sour old coot, frankly.

The superhero subgenre is just that.. a subgenre. It exists now and will continue to exist. Should it evolve? Sure. Should it strive to improve? Absolutely. Do we need this many superhero flicks a year? Hell no. Is this reboot necessary? I don't know. But the genre is here to stay. You're just going to have to make peace with it. And feel free to ignore it if it bugs you. 

I have yet to learn/see anything related to this movie that gives me any kind of hope that it will do anything but suck epic amounts of dirty donkey dong.

I really wish they would've continued the series. I don't want to watch Spider-Man become Spider-Man again. I want to watch Spider-Man BEING Spider-Man. I want the Spider-Man of the animated series of the 90s. I want the Spider-Man who doesn't struggle with being a superhero. I want the Spider-Man who's been stomping bad guy ass for a few years.

And fuck Andrew Garfield. Peter Parker shouldn't look like a fucking runway model.

So where is this trailer being posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-tnxzJ0SSOw

Here's the new trailer, just released on the 'Tube.  It incorporates a lot of the longer sequences from the preview, and looks pretty damn great.  

I like what I'm seeing.  CG looks decent, I'm sold on Garfield, Fight scenes seem exciting and I really like that Leary seems to be getting alot of screentime.

Yeah; I'll pay to see this when it comes out.

Watching it now... "your door man is a..." I have no idea what he's saying.

"Your door man is intimidating."  Pretty clear to me.  No "and".

That actually looks pretty good. It doesn't seem too "Nolanized" like everyone was worried about. Slightly darker tone but only slightly.

Thanks, now that you say it I hear it. It's been a long night.

I'm sold on Garfield as well. He's more awkward then just a nerd. So it makes sense that behind his mask he can be a smart ass. Something that the first Spider-Man was lacking.

I like that they're taking the "public menace" angle and making it more than newspaper propaganda/villain taunts.  Spidey is legitimately defending himself from a goddamn SWAT team, trying to hide his face at the same time, and making George Stacey more prominent gives him a credible human threat in addition to the Lizard.

The Trailer for the new...Spider-Man is...Amazing!  Finally!  Peter Parker...IS a scientific genius, his Spider-Man does have...Webshooters, does use jokes and puns, has the...Belt Camera from the comics, and he fights...Godzilla Jr err...The Lizard!  This film looks like it will be the...First...Spectacular Spider-Man Film.  If Spidey is going to fight more of his...earlier foes, I would hope...The Rhino, The Tarantula, or The Jackel, appear in an upcoming sequel.  Denis Leary seems to be...Perfectly Cast as...Police Captain George Stacey.  Maybe, if he dies in this...Captain Jean DeWolf, could replace him in a sequel.

The Rain Dog, No, I don't think this is the end for...Spider-Man, or any of his...Amazing Friends!  The Man Of Steel, THOR 2, Iron Man 3, and maybe...The Wolverine, Deadpool or X-Men 2nd Class could all be out in 2013!  I think the genre of...Superhero Films will get...Grander!  THOR will lead the quest for more Over The Top heroes.  Could...The Guardians Of The Galaxy appear soon?

Gabe T, The Trailer to...The Amazing Spider-Man is...MARVELous.  I am convinced it will be the...Best Spider-Man film.  I...Love the return of...wise cracks, Mechanical Web Shooters, Parker...Is a Genius, and the...Lovely Emma Stone as Gwen Stacey!

I'm digging the Spidey parts way more than I expected. It was too light on the high school drama to know if it will be a detriment. I HATE the new "everything is connected" bullshit. It sucked in Ultimate Spider-Man, it sucked in Spider-Man 3, it sucks now and it will suck forever.

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I HATE the new "everything is connected" bullshit. It sucked in Ultimate Spider-Man, it sucked in Spider-Man 3, it sucks now and it will suck forever.

Likewise.

Trailer looks okay. So the budget on this is still huge I take it. I guess the reboot was more to get away from huge salaries than overall budget(although it does look smaller than 3 of course). Or was that common knowledge?
 

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

No offense Rain Dog, you're a smart guy and I like you, but you sound like the same people who were calling horror movies dead during the slasher cycle of the 80's, or somebody proclaiming rock n' roll dead in... I don't know, pick your decade. It just makes you sound like a sour old coot, frankly.

 

The superhero subgenre is just that.. a subgenre. It exists now and will continue to exist. Should it evolve? Sure. Should it strive to improve? Absolutely. Do we need this many superhero flicks a year? Hell no. Is this reboot necessary? I don't know. But the genre is here to stay. You're just going to have to make peace with it. And feel free to ignore it if it bugs you. 

I sounded like a poorly spelled grammatically challenged curmudgeon above my apologies. Of course the genre, much like action films did around ten to fifteen years ago, may end up hibernating for a while but it'll never go away completely its true. Nor should it. Hell I could never write off an entire genre, that's asinine. I'll always be interested in people wanting to use the genre to actually say something, it's why I'm just as excited about Nolans trilogy capper as everyone else and am pretty curious to see what Nolan and Snyder serve up in 2013.

Let me then be a little more focused and lucid and say I just don't see whats trying to be explored or said with this reboot of Spiderman as with so many of the current late-era glut of these babies. I don't want the genre to disappear, I want it to evolve or go quiet until new voices are ready to explore some different perspectives of the genre. I want to see the films that do for superheroes what Bourne did for action. Evolution meets revolution with a solid grounding in the wealth of genre entries that have come before. I know I whine, but it's only from frustration at much of this current genres output being so seemingly creatively stagnant.

Liked the trailer. Especially the Peter/Gwen chemistry here.

The "Everything is connected" bullshit? Sorry, but doesn't that happen is every comic nowadays. Doesn't bother me that much.

Can we have a Spider-Man movie where he manages to keep his mask on the whole time?

And am I the only one who raised an eyebrow at how many of the FX scenes seemed to be set at night?  That's usually a signal they're using the darkness to cover up some of the effects.

Garfield and Stone seem fine though, and I like the jokey Spidey with the car thief, but yeah, all the stuff with the parents leaves me cold.

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

No offense Rain Dog, you're a smart guy and I like you, but you sound like the same people who were calling horror movies dead during the slasher cycle of the 80's, or somebody proclaiming rock n' roll dead in... I don't know, pick your decade. It just makes you sound like a sour old coot, frankly.

 

The superhero subgenre is just that.. a subgenre. It exists now and will continue to exist. Should it evolve? Sure. Should it strive to improve? Absolutely. Do we need this many superhero flicks a year? Hell no. Is this reboot necessary? I don't know. But the genre is here to stay. You're just going to have to make peace with it. And feel free to ignore it if it bugs you. 

Your old-coot examples are about people finding the evolution of rock, horror movies et al to be New and Scary while he's saying, and I agree, that the superhero subgenre has become Stale and Boring.

As for the trailer, yeah, I mean it's not bad but still elicits an overwhelming feeling of "seen it". I will say I prefer Garfield and Stone to Maguire and Dunst

The trailer actually gives me more of a HARRY POTTER vibe than the TWILIGHT one I expected. Parents killed. Nerdy outsider orphan raised by extended family who keep him in the dark about his past. Discovers his powers, potential, and destiny. Fatefully linked to villain.

I liked some of what I saw, but besides the actual monster itself, it didn't seem drastically different enough from Raimi's part 1 to warrant a reboot (instead of just a recast continuation).

The trailer is a big improvement over the first one. If they can get the origin out of the way quickly I'll be pretty happy with it. I do agree that the whole "secret of the parents, everything is connected" angle is kinda bullshit, but at least it's a different tact than the first SPIDER-MAN. Things like the wisecracking (although it's almost hostile the way Garfiled is delivering that line, I don't think you're going to get silly puns, sorry Fleed) and the gymnastics. I'm certainly seeing it in the theater, but I don't think I ever claimed otherwise.

I will say this: though I love Garfield as an actor, I feel like he's playing Peter as an angry young man, and that's just not who the character ever was to me. Maybe that's who the character is in the comics, but in my day that just wasn't who Peter was. It's just something that feels a little off.

I just love the amount of Denis Leary in the trailer. 

Say what you want about the Raimi films, but he really nailed the tone of what Spider-Man should be. Yeah, Spidey didn't wisecrack all the time (though there were a few in there, c'mon) but when he did, they were the right kind of wisecracks. This Spider-Man looks like he's actually out to hurt the criminal's feelings or something. There's (no pun intended) venom behind it that just doesn't seem like the right tone to strike for Spidey. The whole thing just seems a little too dark and angry. And how is a giant Lizard going to fit into all this realistic angst? Visually I am impressed, but I maintain that the tone here is still off.

Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider... "MY PARENTS LEFT ME AT A YOUNG AGE!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

This Spidey looks like if you called him "Spidey" he'd kick you in the nuts, hard, and insult you. And "friendly neighborhood"? Forget it.

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

Say what you want about the Raimi films, but he really nailed the tone of what Spider-Man should be. Yeah, Spidey didn't wisecrack all the time (though there were a few in there, c'mon) but when he did, they were the right kind of wisecracks. This Spider-Man looks like he's actually out to hurt the criminal's feelings or something. There's (no pun intended) venom behind it that just doesn't seem like the right tone to strike for Spidey. The whole thing just seems a little too dark and angry. And how is a giant Lizard going to fit into all this realistic angst? Visually I am impressed, but I maintain that the tone here is still off.

Which is what kills me about this nerdgasm/jerk off reaction to this trailer. "Oh look! He's finally doing wise-cracks!"

Uh, he did them in the first movie and Raimi (rightfully) dropped it. Tobey's comic-timing was off, his quips didn't really fit into the tone of what Raimi was going for and they instead placed the humor on Peter being a loveable loser. We're still getting the origin story, a villain who Peter has close connections to and whose origin to link to "science gone horribly wrong," etc. Let's not act like this is re-inventing the fucking wheel.

Pisses me off the more I'm seeing this revisionist/bashing of the Raimi/Tobey reign. All three of those flicks were fucking H-U-G-E and the quite beloved by the masses and nerd community alike - the first two, that is.