THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Pre-Release Thread - Page 10

Anyone else find it funny that they're pulling this origin change-up when one of the biggest criticisms (that wasn't among the more shallow and idiotic ones at least) lobbied at the 3rd Raimi film was the Uncle Ben/Sandman retcon? You'd think that alone would've given SOMEBODY over at Sony the distinct idea that people sorta hold this particular origin as especially sacrosanct.

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Originally Posted by Chris Spider 

Perhaps my tastes have just branched out a lot in 10 years?

I think the problem is that we have seen this story before and I am not talking about repeating the origin. I'm talking about how this movie seems to just be a combination of previous superheros movie ( Lizard trying to turn other people like him=Magnet's plot in X-men, Peter's parents messing with his DNA=Lee's Hulk, dark brooding bullshit=Batman). It's been done and this movie appears to be years behind the curve. Hope I'm wrong.

Ok, so Peter Parker's Dad mysteriously altered his son's DNA somehow & then some science-y accident triggered superpowers in the kid years later?

Oh, right.

Yeah, this is gonna turn out great.

Watching The Dark Knight Rises trailer with those winter scenes, they should set the sequel during winter with Spider-Man swinging through snow. It's a visual we've never seen on film that I don't think even the cartoons or comics touched upon.

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Originally Posted by User_32 

Watching The Dark Knight Rises trailer with those winter scenes, they should set the sequel during winter with Spider-Man swinging through snow. It's a visual we've never seen on film that I don't think even the cartoons or comics touched upon.

That would be quite strikingly beautiful if done right.  I like it.

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Originally Posted by User_32 

Watching The Dark Knight Rises trailer with those winter scenes, they should set the sequel during winter with Spider-Man swinging through snow. It's a visual we've never seen on film that I don't think even the cartoons or comics touched upon.

Actually, there's a few episodes in Season 2 of The Spectacular Spider-Man that take place during Christmastime, and there's at least a couple scenes where he swings through snow.

SAIRUS: Goddamn it, now you just reminded me of Morbius, easily the most WTF Spidey villain ever. Suddenly Spidey is fighting a vampire? The hell?

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Originally Posted by bigbrother 

I think the problem is that we have seen this story before and I am not talking about repeating the origin. I'm talking about how this movie seems to just be a combination of previous superheros movie ( Lizard trying to turn other people like him=Magnet's plot in X-men, Peter's parents messing with his DNA=Lee's Hulk, dark brooding bullshit=Batman). It's been done and this movie appears to be years behind the curve. Hope I'm wrong.

Putting aside the fact that Spider-Man is one of my all-time favorite characters, it's impossible to not watch this trailer and spot the cliches. This is "re-inventing" Spider-Man by borrowing bits and pieces of about a hundred different blockbusters we've all seen already, countless times.

Two things that bother me about this, and suggest that maybe I am tired of the superhero genre:

1) I don't really care for stories about orphans obsessed with what happened to their parents. A lot of actual orphans (like, say, Tobey Maguire in "Spider-Man") make do with what they have, grow up, and don't let their hazy background bother them. As no doubt Peter will discover at the end of this film, it's not about where you came from, but where you're going. I would especially think it's not entirely important to worry about what happened to your parents if you were going through late puberty growing pains, developing super powers, employing a double identity, feuding with the police, flirting with the police chief's daughter, fighting a Lizard-Man... it really is just excess crap on your plate.

2) The original films, and the comic, emphasize the fact that Spider-Man has a CHOICE. He could be a jerk wrestler. He could use his powers for selfish gain. But by making him the result of a scientific experiment, making him his parents' guinea pig, it means he was DESTINED to be great, there was a LEGACY he was meant to be fulfilled. And teen/young adult cinema and literature is obsessed with the idea of legacies and destinies and characters that have a pre-planned path they need to fulfill, whether it's Harry Potter, or the Lord of the Rings, or even Katniss being drafted into the Hunger Games, being placed in a system where she has to succeed and prevail in a very specific way. From a dramatic perspective, it's distressing, because it creates more passive protagonists who have less control over their own future. It's fucking boring.

But on another level, it's pretty distressing that the public has allowed this shit to persist when the hero or heroes is always WHITE. There seems to be a limitless supply of Percy Jacksons, all who are destined for centuries to assume their rightful place as kings, rulers, champions, because the prophecies declare it. After one movie, it doesn't make a difference. But what about some Hispanic kid who spent ten years of their childhood watching kids movies where white people are repeatedly anointed as heroes long before their birth. Amazing Spider-Man is coming long after a decade or so of these types of fantasies, and to see the character essentially strongarmed into the White Hierarchy of modern fantasy films is discouraging and troubling.

Also, this trailer is obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by User_32 

Watching The Dark Knight Rises trailer with those winter scenes, they should set the sequel during winter with Spider-Man swinging through snow. It's a visual we've never seen on film that I don't think even the cartoons or comics touched upon.

Its been done in the comics before, way back even, although not terribly often. Comic's been around 50 damned years, I'd be kinda silly if they hadn't put Spidey in just about EVERY possible environment by now.

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Originally Posted by Jaquio 

 

Its been done in the comics before, way back even, although not terribly often. Comic's been around 50 damned years, I'd be kinda silly if they hadn't put Spidey in just about EVERY possible environment by now.

After four movies you'd think they'd give us a snow drenched New York City. I was kind of expecting it for the third movie actually. 

I can't say anything about this movie that hasn't been said before. I want to love it, but can't, yet. There's so much cool stuff in that trailer, I really like the people making it, Gwen Stacy's > MJ, I prefer this costume(shoes aside)....but I can't get past the nagging feeling that its just gonna be a lesser origin story. I wish I hated the look of the costume or the actors so I could write it off more easily.

And I swear if it ends with the Lizard falling off the building to his death despite Spidey's efforts to save him, I'm walking out...though...that'll be at the end of the movie...but I won't stay through the credits...unless there's a scene afterwards. But barring that? Out the door.

I'm not sure why Peter having his genetics messed around as a kid is getting so much hate. It makes him becoming superhuman as the result of an radioactive spider bite instead of dying a lot more reasonable.

I also like Conners actually appearing to have a plan involving the whole city, instead of just senseless rampaging and revenge-seeking.

I think it was just before...Maximum Carnage, that Richard Parker re-appeared in his son Peter's Life.  He apparently was a spy or something.  I do not mind the change to the origin.  To me, Sam Raimi changed enough, with Spider-Man producing his own webfluid and not making him the scientific genius Peter was in the comics.  It took the...Marc of a true...WEBBhead, to change it back.  It is not just about making his own webshooters, but all the alterations in his webfluid when fighting a new foe.  Peter was always tinkering, when a new sometimes stronger foe appeared.  Also, Emma Stone looks...Perfect, as Gwen Stacey.  Denis Leary as Captain Stacey looks like the competent, cop of the comics, as opposed to James Cromwell's somewhat buffoonish Captain Stacey of Spider-Man 3!  I cannot wait to see this on July 3rd!

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Originally Posted by Damar 

I'm not sure why Peter having his genetics messed around as a kid is getting so much hate. It makes him becoming superhuman as the result of an radioactive spider bite instead of dying a lot more reasonable.

Read Gabe's post again. He's supposed to be Spider-man, not Harry Potter. I think HP is probably more of an influence on this than TDK.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

 

Because Peter Parker is some neurotic, nerdy, bad-with-girls kid who gets these powers thrust upon him by chance. It's not "destiny",

I kinda understand you misaking him for nerdy, which he grew out of fast once becomng Spiderman and for which I hate the Raimi films for keeping him that way instead of growing up like the comic character did beyond the first issue, but neurotic? And bad-with-girls is rather laughable given he married a supermodel and this.

You're clearly mistaking his Clark Kenting to avoid his enemies and friends from finding out he's Spider-Man as his true self.

And there have been a ton of stories where Peter was destined to be Spider-Man, in addition to his parents being SHIELD agents.

Count me in the minority, but that trailer sold me.

Gwen Stacy standing on a cloud is fucking gut-bustingly hilarious.

Side note: I do think it's cool that Campbell Scott and Embeth Davidtz are playing Peter's parents. Even if their roles are ultimately small on the screen-time end, it's neat to see both of them in a big movie like this.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

I love Garfield, but he comes across as a cool, good-looking outsider type rather than the genuine nerd that Peter Parker is.

But the definition of "nerd" is completely different in the 21st century. Raimi played Parker like a 1960's "nerd". In this day and age, that kind of nerd doesn't exist anymore because the world itself has gone somewhat nerd/geek. The Social Network are the new generation of nerds. Garfield comes across as an awkward, not comfortable in his own skin outsider which is what the 21st century version of a nerd is nowadays. 

Maybe we're seeing things differently cause that's not the vibe I get at all. Edward Cullen hung out with other good-looking "outsiders". This Peter Parker is by himself and alone working on science projects. Less Twilight more Social Network Jesse Eisenberg as a brooding nerd. 

Peter Parker says "Fatties Need Not Apply".

I'm pretty sure that the cloud at Gwen Stacy's feet actually means that she's a "wank fantasy".

Well we haven't seen the film yet so I have no idea how he charms her but from the trailers she works at Oscorp and seems to be into the whole science thing so, you know some girls dig nerds. 

CUT IT OUT ASSHOLE! THIS NEVER HAPPENED!

Dude, what's in the comic is actually worse:

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Norman Osborn's Gwen Stacy impregnating O face. 

Fuck you for reminding me of that.

It's a sad fact, messing around Spider-Man is completely par for the course.  We should all just lie back and think of England.

Oh and I won't be happy until Spider-Man vs. Mr. Zodiac gets adapted for the big screen.

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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick 

Count me in the minority, but that trailer sold me.

Me too.  

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

 

But on another level, it's pretty distressing that the public has allowed this shit to persist when the hero or heroes is always WHITE. There seems to be a limitless supply of Percy Jacksons, all who are destined for centuries to assume their rightful place as kings, rulers, champions, because the prophecies declare it. After one movie, it doesn't make a difference. But what about some Hispanic kid who spent ten years of their childhood watching kids movies where white people are repeatedly anointed as heroes long before their birth. Amazing Spider-Man is coming long after a decade or so of these types of fantasies, and to see the character essentially strongarmed into the White Hierarchy of modern fantasy films is discouraging and troubling.

Interesting point that I never thought about before.  I agree.

This is movie might be completely unnecessary, but the "You found my weakness: small knives!" line made me laugh. I made it a mission to see everything Andrew Garfield was cast in after seeing Red Riding, and while I wish the circumstances of its creation were better, I'm pretty sure I'll have a good time with it.

See Boy A.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

But on another level, it's pretty distressing that the public has allowed this shit to persist when the hero or heroes is always WHITE. There seems to be a limitless supply of Percy Jacksons, all who are destined for centuries to assume their rightful place as kings, rulers, champions, because the prophecies declare it. After one movie, it doesn't make a difference. But what about some Hispanic kid who spent ten years of their childhood watching kids movies where white people are repeatedly anointed as heroes long before their birth. Amazing Spider-Man is coming long after a decade or so of these types of fantasies, and to see the character essentially strongarmed into the White Hierarchy of modern fantasy films is discouraging and troubling.

I've missed the last few Ultimate Comics Spider-Man issues — is the new Ultimate Spider-Man still Miles Morales? There were some truly dumb-ass reactions to that, too.

He wears a full-head mask — what the fuck difference does it make? Ultimately (heh) you're casting for a good Peter Parker, and Donald Glover would've made a cool Peter Parker.

...co-starring Oprah as Aunt May.

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Originally Posted by Rando 

Me too.  

Me three.  I'm going to see an actual "What If...?" Spider-Man comic book movie!  I'm so excited!  Well, not really "excited", but it is very cool from my perspective to get a "What if...?" comic book movie.  I loved reading those growing up!

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Originally Posted by Art Decade 

...co-starring Oprah as Aunt May.

And Morgan Freeman as Uncle Ben.

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Originally Posted by HypnoToad 

 

And I swear if it ends with the Lizard falling off the building to his death despite Spidey's efforts to save him, I'm walking out...though...that'll be at the end of the movie...but I won't stay through the credits...unless there's a scene afterwards. But barring that? Out the door.

Spoilers for Amazing Spider-Man

Also, clearly, Peter Parker has been upgraded from geek to NERD. Clear difference.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

 

Also, clearly, Peter Parker has been upgraded from geek to NERD. Clear difference.

No shit. I can't believe no one's mentioned the skateboard yet. I'm sure that'll be the explanation for why he so great at webslinging right out of the gate.