THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Pre-Release Thread - Page 11

Well, when I heard the director of 500 Days of Summer was taking over the Spider-Man franchise, I didn't expect anything that would look half this good. So, Yay?

But I still don't see how he gets the mask over all that damn hair.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

 

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It won't end like that. But you'll want to stay after the credits.

 

......and how do you know this?????

I saw a preview of it in 3D before the Avengers and it looked amazing.  As did Prometheus.  

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

Also, clearly, Peter Parker has been upgraded from geek to DOUCHEBAG HIPSTER. Clear difference.

Corrected that for ya, bud.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

Also, clearly, Peter Parker has been upgraded from geek to NERD. Clear difference.

What difference is that?

A geek is socially inept and disliked, more about who you are, even if you're a science nerd or bad at sports. A nerd is about what you represent, the way you dress and the way you act a purposeful decision to be different than others. People are born geeks. People become nerds. Nerd has somehow become a term of endearment, whereas "geek" is still considered mostly derogatory.

"Hipster" also applies in place of "nerd," since it usually involves an awareness of trends. Tobey Parker would probably wear whatever Aunt May recommends. Garfield Parker probably actually shops for clothes, and maybe has a slight metrosexual side.

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Originally Posted by stelios 

Dude, what's in the comic is actually worse:

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Norman Osborn's Gwen Stacy impregnating O face. 

Ugh, it looks like the lovechild of Tommy Lee Jones and the Richard Nixon mask from Point Break. 

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Originally Posted by Draco Senior 

New trailer on iTunes:

 

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=59064

 

(Not on YouTube yet, but I will update this spot when it's been added.)

Action (and swinging) actually looks great. Doesn't look as cheap as I feared.

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

 

No shit. I can't believe no one's mentioned the skateboard yet. I'm sure that'll be the explanation for why he so great at webslinging right out of the gate.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

A geek is socially inept and disliked, more about who you are, even if you're a science nerd or bad at sports. A nerd is about what you represent, the way you dress and the way you act a purposeful decision to be different than others. People are born geeks. People become nerds. Nerd has somehow become a term of endearment, whereas "geek" is still considered mostly derogatory.

 

"Hipster" also applies in place of "nerd," since it usually involves an awareness of trends. Tobey Parker would probably wear whatever Aunt May recommends. Garfield Parker probably actually shops for clothes, and maybe has a slight metrosexual side.

A nerd is someone who is generally smart (high grades in school, math and science, etc). A geek has "specialized knowledge" like movies or comics or pop culture. Social ineptness is associated with both. BIG BANG THEORY hosts a cross-breed.  Most nerds are also geeks, but many geeks could never be nerds.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

A geek is socially inept and disliked, more about who you are, even if you're a science nerd or bad at sports. A nerd is about what you represent, the way you dress and the way you act a purposeful decision to be different than others. People are born geeks. People become nerds. Nerd has somehow become a term of endearment, whereas "geek" is still considered mostly derogatory.

 

"Hipster" also applies in place of "nerd," since it usually involves an awareness of trends. Tobey Parker would probably wear whatever Aunt May recommends. Garfield Parker probably actually shops for clothes, and maybe has a slight metrosexual side.

These are such bizarrely personalized definitions. Is it really that important to make such a specific distinction?

The new Peter isn't a geek or a nerd, and yes, he does give off a strongly repugnant stench of hipster -- but he does seem like the kind of guy who could tangibly be an outcast, a social reject, and a "loser." It's not my idea of the character, nor the one shown in the comics, but I will give Webb a little credit for sticking with the basic outsider character model, I guess.

Paraphrasing - they wanted to make Peter Parker fuckable.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan 

Geek, nerd? Neither, I'd say he's more of a smartass. That's one of the things I thought was sorely missing in the Raimi films. It's nice to finally see him throw out some sarcastic quips at criminals. It makes sense that getting superhuman abilities would feed a teenage kid's ego.
My thoughts on the new trailer: it doesn't look like it will be one of the standouts this summer, but I hope it turns out to be damn good. I want it to be, there are many things in it that I'm happy they're going with that the Raimi films refused such as Spider-Man's smartass quips and him being regarded as a menace to the city, as opposed to being loved by everyone and even showing up at public events. Spider-Man should be an outcast.

I agree. I'm also glad to see mechanical web-shooters being invented and used by Peter Parker. Although I have nothing against the organic web-shooters, I always felt that Parker's genius was never displayed in Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, but Webb definitely make note of it. 

I'll give the new trailer this... It makes me want to see the slinging/swinging in 3D (more so than the other trailers).

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

Paraphrasing - they wanted to make Peter Parker fuckable.

Ding, ding, ding!

What does the gentleman win? You can practically hear Sony execs chanting "could we make this sexier?" and reciting demographic numbers, coming from every piece of marketing for this like a Gregorian chant. 

And let me repeat this one more time. All this pre-ordained greatness, destiny, everything is connected bullshit can die in fire. When the fuck did the absolute definition of a regular guy turned hero like Spidey turn into this?

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Originally Posted by stelios 

 

Ding, ding, ding!

 

What does the gentleman win?

 

And let me repeat this one more time. All this pre-ordained greatness, destiny, everything is connected bullshit can die in fire. When the fuck did the absolute definition of a regular guy turned hero like Spidey turn into this?

Didn't Bruce Banner in Ang Lee's Hulk movie pretty much did the same thing? His own father passed the DNA experiment into his body, and later he was bombarded with gamma radiation and these two combined to transform Banner into the Hulk. So you can say that it wasn't a complete accident that Banner become the giant green goliath. 

There are instances where all this destiny stuff will work fine. Though Ang Lee's Hulk wasn't one of them. Spidey is NOT one of those instances. It sucked in the comics it will suck in this.

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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 

I'll give the new trailer this... It makes me want to see the slinging/swinging in 3D (more so than the other trailers).

yup.  I don;t like the mystery parent storyline, or even skateboarding Peter, but the actual Spider-Man bits do look, well, amazing.

And yeah, 3D all the way.  I hope that the first person stuff works really well, and that that is worth the price of admission alone.  Shallow, but those are my only expectations of this flick.  Honestly, anything else above that is just gravy.

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Originally Posted by stelios 

There are instances where all this destiny stuff will work fine. Though Ang Lee's Hulk wasn't one of them. Spidey is NOT one of those instances. It sucked in the comics it will suck in this.

I know I'm in the minority but I love, love Ang Lee's Hulk.

Nothing wrong with that. It's in no way a bad movie.

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Originally Posted by Anger Management 

 

I agree. I'm also glad to see mechanical web-shooters being invented and used by Peter Parker. Although I have nothing against the organic web-shooters, I always felt that Parker's genius was never displayed in Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, but Webb definitely make note of it. 

Bingo!  I love that they are taking more of his scientific approach to this movie.  I love they are making more effort into Peter Parker being a genius, awkward.  They did the same with the Avengers Hulk.  

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Originally Posted by stelios 

Nothing wrong with that. It's in no way a bad movie.

Well, one might argue that it is in some ways a bad movie, which is way a lot of people don't care for it. I would agree though that it would be hard to classify it as an awful movie.

I think Reasor said it in the Avengers thread but watching that trailer (which looks far more interesting than anything that's come before), I can't help but think that this looks like a very exciting hypothetical Spider-Man 4. In fact it makes me all the more despondent that instead of just giving us Dylan Baker Lizard in Spider-Man 4, we're getting whatever the hell this is.

I think realistically this will be an entertaining film, but I will not be able to get over the insanity of Sony's decisions here.

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Originally Posted by Mike's Pants 

....that instead of just giving us Dylan Baker Lizard in Spider-Man 4...

Which, by all accounts, we weren't going to get anyway. 

I saw the trailer in front of AVENGERS last night with my two daughters (both of them in their teens), and I asked what they thought. Both said the same thing: maybe on DVD.

Interestingly, I asked what they thought of the TDKR trailer, and both said it looked really good, including the daughter who hasn't seen TDK and has no interest in it.

I could really, REALLY do without the whole "destiny" bullshit but I do like the idea of doing something with Peter's parents as they were always a black hole of information. I always thought you could have done something cool like make them reporters who were killed because they were investigating King Pin, or someone, and that spurned Peter's interest in photography and reporting although their deaths were reported to be an "accident" by The Daily Bugle which would have put Peter into conflict with JJ not to mention whoever in the police force that covered up their murder. One of the idea's I had for Raimi's third movie was that the people who bought Aunt May's house do some renovations and find something within a secret compartment that is then given to Peter which leads him to King Pin. Tie in random attacks from The Lizard and the symbiote suit and part 3 could have been very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Loki Odinson 

I could really, REALLY do without the whole "destiny" bullshit but I do like the idea of doing something with Peter's parents as they were always a black hole of information. I always thought you could have done something cool like make them reporters who were killed because they were investigating King Pin, or someone, and that spurned Peter's interest in photography and reporting although their deaths were reported to be an "accident" by The Daily Bugle which would have put Peter into conflict with JJ not to mention whoever in the police force that covered up their murder. One of the idea's I had for Raimi's third movie was that the people who bought Aunt May's house do some renovations and find something within a secret compartment that is then given to Peter which leads him to King Pin. Tie in random attacks from The Lizard and the symbiote suit and part 3 could have been very interesting.

Agreed!  People are bitching about another origin movie, but I like the angle they are taking.  It's different and fresh.  What are people bitching about?

Uh, they kind of can't use Kingpin. He's tied up in Fox's Daredevil rights. I agree that it's somewhat nice that we're getting a new angle on the origin, but that new angle might not turn out to be so promising.

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Originally Posted by Chris Spider 

Uh, they kind of can't use Kingpin. He's tied up in Fox's Daredevil rights. I agree that it's somewhat nice that we're getting a new angle on the origin, but that new angle might not turn out to be so promising.

I think I have read, a few times, that Kingpin's rights are in both the Spider-man package and Daredevil package. So he is one of those few characters that can cross over between franchises.

Man...  The ONLY thing that could make the Avengers better is a post credits sequence that introduces Peter Parker back into Marvel films.
 

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Originally Posted by Freeman 

Man...  The ONLY thing that could make the Avengers better is a post credits sequence that introduces Peter Parker back into Marvel films.
 

A tiny, tiny part of brain was thinking we would see a shot of Garfield in crowd followed by "Jesus Pete, get a shot of that!"

I would orgasm.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

 

It is literally the least different, fresh approach ever taken to retconning a superhero's origins, ever. It's different for Peter Parker, I guess. But "destiny, your father issues, blah blah dumbass" is as fresh as Carrot Top.

Well be nature Super Hero plots have been recycle for decades.  It doesn't have to be original and new because none of these movies are, it's all about does it work or not. The Avengers is nothing new bad vs. good guys, but it works.  I'm pulling for it because it looks incredible, but I don't have high expectations either.  

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

But THE AVENGERS is new in that it's four headlining superheroes in one massive movie for the very first time, and it WORKS. You asked why people were bitching about the changes to the origin, and claimed it was different and fresh. And it is not. It's the fucking INCREDIBLE BATHULK. And it fits Spider-Man about as well as a big cape with an "S" on it would.

Let's at least see the movie before we judge.  Sure, Avengers was different because it's four SH instead of one, but the plot and everything else is your basic cookie cutter SH movie.  As with all of Marvel movies it's played safe.  

Eveything's been done a million different ways. The secret is to make sure that no matter how corny or cliched it may be that it's done with an emotional earnestness and if you can achieve that you'll have the audience eating out of your hand. As John Millius said "it's easy to be cynical, it's hard to be corny".

I don't think I'm saying anything profound when I point out that Amazing Spider Man looks like it's going to be a mess tonally.

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Originally Posted by cccc 

 

 

Let's at least see the movie before we judge.  Sure, Avengers was different because it's four SH instead of one, but the plot and everything else is your basic cookie cutter SH movie.  As with all of Marvel movies it's played safe.  

Looks like you're new to the internet.  Let me show you around.  There's Facebook.  That's the Google.  Apple folks are nice, but kind of a clique .  That over there?  Used to be Geocities as far as the eye could see.

I could see Raimi's Spidey going with the quips and the stunts and the showing off post settling things with Aunt May and getting MJ. This version, at least the way it's sold in the trailers since I could be wrong about the final product, seems to be using quips only as fan pandering. Unless he's a mouthy jerk pre-spidering.

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Originally Posted by cccc 

 

 

Let's at least see the movie before we judge.

I've seen enough to know it looks like shit, so I'm vouching not to see it in any capacity that involves spending money directly for the sake of seeing it.

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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber 

I don't think I'm saying anything profound when I point out that Amazing Spider Man looks like it's going to be a mess tonally.

 

 

Looks like you're new to the internet.  Let me show you around.  There's Facebook.  That's the Google.  Apple folks are nice, but kind of a clique .  That over there?  Used to be Geocities as far as the eye could see.

LOL!   no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Benny Reno 

I've seen enough to know it looks like shit, so I'm vouching not to see it in any capacity that involves spending money directly for the sake of seeing it.

That'll show'em!  

I'll say this for THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: at least it isn't teal-and-orange.

Ok, after getting my comic-book rocks off on THE AVENGERS I'm finally going on a rant about this nonsensical derivative POS.

Where is the fucking daylight in this movie? You know...Spider-Man...bright colors...bustling city streets...webbing and cavorting around Manhattan at lunchtime? Where the fuckin' fuck is any of that? Why is Peter Parker a brooding slouching weirdo? Why does his head look like a basketball? Why was it absolutely imperative to rehash the origin, and change it to another fucking "destiny" trope? Where is the goddamn joy anywhere, because the trailers indicate absolutely NONE, ZERO, ZILCH.

Everything about this production rubs me the wrong way, and thankfully the latest trailer got little to no audience reaction at the AVENGERS showing. I hope this thing face-plants and I never have to hear the name Marc Fucking Webb (he was chosen for his name; perfectly obvious now) attached to anything worthwhile again.

I sincerely hope Sony execs are in an absolute pure, primal, frothy panic after seeing THE AVENGERS and Joss Whedon make bank.

With great power comes great... obligation.