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Kissing Jessica Stein (2001)

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Watched this about a week ago and it was fun and thought provoking, but what prompted me to start the thread is all the hooplah over Bridesmaids.

 

Movies by women, for women are indeed a rare thing, and this one has a concept (women gets fed up with men, decides to check out women) that could be embarrassing if not handled delicately. Fortunately the writers manage to pull off not just a realistic meet-cute situation (Jessica is attracted to Helen not because of any latent-bisexuality but because of the quote Helen put in her classified ad), but an entire relationship.

 

I love that "coming out" for Jessica is not a big deal to everyone else, but is a big deal to her. The scene when her mom gives the okay on the relationship is beautiful, and kudos to Tovah Feldshuh for an incredible acting job.  

 

This feels very indie, like a holdover from the '90s boom, but it works. It handles the sexuality question much better than, say Chasing Amy (or more recently Sunshine Cleaning), and I like how the experience changes both Jessica and Helen for the better. Jessica realizes she's not a lesbian, really she is uptight about everything in her life including sex, but learns to embrace her artistic side and take chances. Helen finds love with another woman and settles down, so I don't think it's a matter of anyone needing "serious deep dicking" (something that Chasing Amy and The Kids Are All Right were criticised for). 

 

And I've exhausted the big highlights of mainstream lesbian cinema of the last twenty years. Really, I'm just a generic young straight guy so I can't comment on the authenticity of these films, but I am fascinated by tales so outside my experience zone. Kissing Jessica Stein manages to be more than just a relationship film, as it gives lip service to what it means to be "gay": not just being attracted to, or having sex with, someone of the same sex, but living a lifestyle and being true to yourself. Love the gay friends and the argument they have with Helen, especially since they don't come across as cliches.

 

The break-up scene is horrible, cringe-inducing to watch. Helen is so truthful and Jessica is so lost. Geez, it's hard to see characters that a movie has convinced you to care about be in so much pain, and that's why I give this film credit.

 

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I love this movie.

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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

This feels very indie, like a holdover from the '90s boom, but it works. It handles the sexuality question much better than, say Chasing Amy (or more recently Sunshine Cleaning), and I like how the experience changes both Jessica and Helen for the better. Jessica realizes she's not a lesbian, really she is uptight about everything in her life including sex, but learns to embrace her artistic side and take chances. Helen finds love with another woman and settles down, so I don't think it's a matter of anyone needing "serious deep dicking" (something that Chasing Amy and The Kids Are All Right were criticised for). 

Im a fan of this film as well but I do have to defend Chasing Amy because I refuse to let Kevin Smith's ONLY film of some substance go down without a fight. The "serious deep dicking" line is said by the asshole character. He is supposed to represent the closed minded homophobic males point of view on the matter. Amy was never really a lesbian she was bisexual who had closed herself off probably due to guys like Banky. Much like Jessica she found someone who happened to be male that clicked, Yet due to his feelings of inadequacy he lost her. Some have given the film shit for Smith's portrayal of a bisexual woman saying it's what a guy's fantasy is like. And hey perhaps thats true but to say it's a straight guy who turns gay girl straight film is wrong.

 

The Kids Are Alright though is a different matter. I pretty much agree there. Also Sunshine Cleaning didn't have a gay relationship in it. I can see how you made that mistake though. The blood drive girl was a lesbian and misinterpreted Emma's friendship. The reason Emma looks so bored during sex was because she disn't like the guy, not all guys. From what I understand the original script made it much clearer.

 

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I didn't quite phrase that the way I intended. I'm a big fan of Chasing Amy as well, and I understand that the "deep dicking" line is out of Banky's mouth, but Alyssa always bothered me as a character. She falsely represents herself to Holden before they start dating (why would she lie to her casual guy friend about her past sexual experiences? She could have explained that she's bisexual and left out the racier stuff), and appears to even be lying to her lesbian friends about her past. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been the whole "lost another one" scene, since they would have realized she was never a full-on lesbian from the start.

 

Smith was in over his head. There's a thematic throughline between Alyssa/Holden's relationship at first (he's attracted to her as a person but he's also fascinated by the "exoticness" of her being a lesbian) and later (he can't take her past kinky experiences with guys), but the movie never brings the two together. The narrative, therefore, feels disjointed.

 

This may be for another thread. Thoughts on Kissing Jessica Stein?

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