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- Only slight spoilers -

I'm actually surprised, but this turned out really, really good. The trailers aren't selling how good this is. Before I get to the single characters, I'll say this: the directing is sweet. Vaughn makes this feel like an upper class 70s spy thriller. The new period is actually underplayed and not just a gimmick. Overall, it's more serious. There are jokes, but they too are underplayed. Smirks, no laugh-outs (but there are some major surprises that will make you laugh out, at least two). What really makes this fun is the fact that Vaughn really makes you feel these kids are being challenged big for the first time in their lives, and that a global war is a possibility. The inclusion of the Cuba Crisis is ... okay. It could have been worse. FX are mostly good, only CGI-Beast does look shitty (but that's kinda okay as Hoult actually works it with a "man, do I look like shit" gaze). I'd say there's as much action as in THOR, but while there's less spectacle overall, the characters are more interesting and the flick looks so much better. Usually, I don't like the idea of prequels because they mostly come up with stupid winks at the later flicks to make you remember certain aspects of the original (think young Hannibal wearing the Samurai mask), but here it's really well done. They show you how they met, how they got the school, the plane, how they came up with the nick names, how they end up with their gimmicks like Magneto's helmet etc, but never in a showy way.

Now to the characters..

XAVIER - I had my doubts about McAvoy. He's a fine actor, but so young looking. I had no idea. He makes him a believable human with needs and fun, but who's also thoughtful and a commanding presence. You will believe the way older looking (but in fact only two years older) Fassbender looks up and listens to him. If Chris Evans is anything like that, he might be believable as a leader of Robert Downey Jr. and the others.

 

MAGNETO - This is a breakout role. This will, has to make Fassbender a big star. He's bringing depth and emotions to the character, but also lots of badassery. After the first 30 minutes, you'll wish for a Magneto solo movie, with him just travelling the world and hunting Nazi escapees.

Did I mention that there are four different languages spoken? Bacon's German is good, and Fassbender seems to be a natural in any language.

MYSTIQUE - When they cast Jennifer Lawrence in the role, I thought it was the wrong decision. Thought she's worth more than blue t&a. The role is more than that, in fact there are only one or two small scenes in which you see her full frontal. She does get simple dialogue, but she doesn't make it seem dumb. They only thing that will make you go huh is her sudden sexual interest in Magneto. There's no build-up to that.

MOIRA - I think Rose Byrne is a mediocre actress that always comes off as distant and melancholic. It's the same in here and she does not have any chemistry with her love interest McAvoy at all, but at least Vaughn finds a reason to strip her down to underwear. And she's not that important.

BANSHEE and HAVOK - Not fleshed out, but they do get some nice bits.

DARWIN - Nearly unused. A worthless character, though he does inspire a neat line for Shaw.

ANGEL - A weak point. A nothing of a character with a lame action scene.

Now for the bad guys:

SHAW - As soon as they announced that Kevin Bacon was to be the main antagonist, we knew it would be something to look for. He totally delivers. Feels like an epic Bond villain, just looking awesome, being awesome and demanding the spot lights. He comes up as a big threat, but not just as an evil or psychotic one: you can see what kind of fun future he's envisioning for himself, and everyone else like him. The only thing missing is a big final fight - you see him charging himself up on a nuclear reactor, but then he doesn't to get to use it. But he does have some smaller action scenes before that.

FROST - Well, tits. Jones fills her bra, looks the role. She tries to be icy, mysterious, dangerous, but is never the Sharon Stone Basic Instinct role she aims at. Good thing is her dialogue isn't that important. She's just a henchwoman and the importance clearly is tits, going diamond and only then whatever she says. She does not have the same chemistry Mystique has with her team, but then she's only supposed to be a fuck toy and tool to Shaw anyway.

AZAZEL - Badass. A slightly less wonky version of Nightcrawler who absolutely does not fuck around. Just coldly kills and kills and kills. Did I mention that he looks cool as fuck?

RIPTIDE - His power of creating small tornadoes isn't as interesting as the other ones, but he's as elegant looking as the other ones. Only a wordless henchman, but a solid one. Also, all three of them always wear suits. They're provoking WW3 in style.

 

It's no The Dark Knight masterpiece, but it's better than X2 and a really good movie in itself. I'd give 4 out of 5. Interestingly, it seems to include story elements from each of the first three flicks and Wolverine. Shaw wants to turn people into mutants as in Part I. Wanting to be accepted as a mutant is a huge element of the flick, like in Part II. Then there's a cure like in the third movie, but implented way more interestingly. Finally, you have Magneto taking over the avenging of a loved one.

As for the continuity? A bit fucked, but I'll explain under a break
 

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The biggest fuck-up is Moira's age. In X3, she's played by a 40 year old. In XF, she's already 30, and not a mutant.
They explain Mystique's age problem with slowed down aging.
What happens to Xavier does not fit to Wolverine or the flasback of X3. Also, Emma Frost appears to be 30 while being way younger in Wolverine, which takes place ten years after this.

 

Now STOP READING if you don't want to get spoiled the fuck. They'll be discussed.


Edited by Chris Myers - 5/25/11 at 12:34pm
post #2 of 605

Read a spoiler about a certain cameo in the film.  You know, wanting to keep a secret is one thing.  Just flat out lying to everyone like Bryan Singer did back in November, along with Fox spokesmen, is just fucking bullshit.

post #3 of 605

Why?  I'd rather have filmmakers lie in order to keep a surprise.

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SPEAK NO MORE ABOUT THIS CAMEO.

 

Also, Magneto and Mystique sexually attracted to each other? I dunno about THAT. Their relationship seemed to be more... sisterly in those early Singer movies.

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Is there a Post Credits scene in this?

 

 

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SPEAK NO MORE ABOUT THIS CAMEO.


I don't actually know what the cameo is, or what was said.  I'm just totally in favor of filmmakers lying to keep things secret.

 

post #7 of 605

How's Beast?

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SPEAK NO MORE ABOUT THIS CAMEO.

 

Also, Magneto and Mystique sexually attracted to each other? I dunno about THAT. Their relationship seemed to be more... sisterly in those early Singer movies.


Sisterly. That mad me laugh out loud.

 

You're right, though. There was some innuendo, but it mostly came off as playfulness. Flirting. Someone saying "She's good", and Magneto saying "You have no idea...", and her caressing him when she walks by -- I never read that as being sexual, just two flamboyant people goofing off. Him being very confident and she being vampy and slinky.

 

post #9 of 605

Very strong. A bit thin and tinny in places, but I could see this aging much better than any of the others. Fassbender remains awesome.

 

The best compliment I can think of is that I was disappointed at how far they took the story, because I would have 100% been on board with playing a few strings out in a sequel with this cast/crew.

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Very strong. A bit thin and tinny in places, but I could see this aging much better than any of the others. Fassbender remains awesome.

 

The best compliment I can think of is that I was disappointed at how far they took the story, because I would have 100% been on board with playing a few strings out in a sequel with this cast/crew.



So, Magneto is basically completely a villain by the end? Meaning, we won't see any continued building tension between Erik and Charles over any sequels. That's a shame.

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I went from "I will check it out when DVD is out" to "I am going to make an effort to see it in theatre" due to the rave reviews it's been getting. Also, I like Vaughn's direction and he is the biggest reason why I think this movie will succeed.

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Haven't seen the film yet, but I'm just ducking into ask you guys who have a quick question.

 

My girls never seen an X-Men film before. Not one. Is it worth showing her at least X-Men one and two before we go see this or is this prequel a good primer into the world of Marvels super mutants?

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Haven't seen the film yet, but I'm just ducking into ask you guys who have a quick question.

 

My girls never seen an X-Men film before. Not one. Is it worth showing her at least X-Men one and two before we go see this or is this prequel a good primer into the world of Marvels super mutants?

 

This could definitely serve as a full, standalone reboot. If they have any sense, it will become one. No need to prime them with old stuff, unless you wanna.
 

 

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It does an amazing job of tying itself to the other films though, so a reboot might be pushing it. They could make about five good flicks that take place between this and X-Men 1.

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I have to be that guy...

 

this is the kinkiest X-Men movie yet.

 

Almost every other line is a double entendre. There's all sorts of sexual permutations going on here. Tons of women in their undies, or nude. No one really feels as if they are in love, but everyone is hooking up.

 

Also...

 

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the black X-Men dies first and the first one to defect is the Hispanic? C'mon now.

 

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It does an amazing job of tying itself to the other films though, so a reboot might be pushing it. They could make about five good flicks that take place between this and X-Men 1.


So could you watch it in the order of First Class, One and then Two and it'd work fine?

 

post #17 of 605

Definitely.

post #18 of 605

Saw XMFC this morning.

 

I would honestly say that it's the best in the series since X2, though it doesn't manage to surpass it.

 

Nearly everything in this film works. Dislikes include a few wonky CG moments, the 'X-kids choosing code names' scene, Darwin being so useless and a bit of blurring around continuity's edges. But these are minor niggles when laid against all that is good.

Fassbender's performance is the centre of this film, it all hinged around him and in lesser hands, this just would have been awful. Props to the man.

 

Oh and I loved the

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Wolverine

 

cameo appearance

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I really, really enjoyed this, but with a little distance....Two things really did bother me.

 

- The Phantom Menance-esque multipart brawl at the end just doesn't work as a climactic setpiece. I was truly annoyed everytime they cut away to fights between barely sketched X-kids and Angel or Azazel.  Only Beast had any sort of distinction here, and that was thanks to the nice voice work. Also, a protracted "dogfight" between a guy who actually can't fly and a girl in pixie wings.....never a good idea.

 

- There was no need to rush to get us to the X-Men 1 status quo by the end of this movie. So much of what made this work was the tension and buildup (especially in Fassbender's Nazi-hunting scenes as badass Erik Lensherr).  Frankly, I don't think "Magneto" is as interesting a character. 

 

Those things aside, Bacon and Fassbender almost carry this movie by themselves, and the filmmakers have surprises galore (all of a casting nature, not a plot twist one), so you should go in as blind as possible.

post #20 of 605

Saw this last night.  IMO it's the best X-Men film, and I'm glad to see that it connects to the first two x-men films, and NOTHING after that.  X3 does not exisit in this dojo.

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That was the most nourishing plate of crow I've ever eaten.

 

Incredible, I'd go as far as to say it surpassed X2.

 

Fassbender* and MacAvoy are astonishing even if Fassbender kinda gives up on the accent by the end but there is so much heart and chemistry between the two it's just magic. I'm delighted they didn't try and ape Stewart and McKellen.

 

For the first time ever I wish a film had been written with franchise in mind. One character's arc (Raven) could have easily filled a trilogy of films but it's clipped far too short to accomodate Singer's continuity. In fact the film almost stumbles at the end to get various characters where they need to be, which is a shame. It's more then strong enough to support itself.

 

This film makes me weep over Vaughan's "what if" X-3.

 

* I would have happily, happily sat through two more hours of "Inglourious Magneto" 

 

 

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Saw it tonight, it's good but far from the second coming many critics would have us believe. There are too many characters, it would have been much tighter just stripped down to Charles, Erik, Raven, Hank and Moira, with Shaw, Frost and Azazel against them. Darwin was utterly pointless (and sadly made for a depressing genre film cliche), while Shaw's henchmen were mute, character-free death machines. The story moved over too quickly a timescale to truly give the impression Charles and Erik could ever have become such great friends and, given how long Charles and Raven were together, the fractures in their relationship seemed to occur similarly quickly (although she was definitely the most sympathetic character of the bunch, with the most believable story arc).

The score was utterly forgettable for the most part and, worst of all, the film lacks the confidence in itself to leave anything unresolved so it tries instead to neatly wrap everything up in a perfect ribbon setting the stage for the previous films on the assumption there's nothing else that happened between this and X-Men. It would be much better instead if  ***Ending Stuff***   the cracks were visible but Charles and Erik were still working together, Charles still had the use of his legs and wasn't just going straight into being a headmaster, etc. There could be some great future films mined from that alone instead of rushing to establish the status quo so soon (so what the fuck do Erik and Raven do for the next 30 years then?). I guess we should just be thankful they didn't make Charles bald too while they're at it...  ******

Despite all that, there's still a lot to like and the cast are mostly great, with McAvoy, Fassbender and (surprisingly) Jennifer Lawrence and Nick Hoult being the stand outs. The 60s setting is refreshing and tying things into the Cuban Missile Crisis was an interesting idea, if one they could have made more of. The action's fine but it's the character scenes with Erik and Charles where the film excels and leaves you wishing there were more of them.

Quite honestly though, I could just watch Magneto Bond, Nazi Hunter all day, I dug the hell out of Fassbender in this. And it's always lovely to see an SR-71 whizzing about the big screen.

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I like what Vaughn said about the sequel, that he'd have Magneto behind the JKF "magic bullet".  I kind of wished they would still have been teamed up after this film, but I can see why they didn't do it.  The wheelchair stuff, in my eyes, discredits and removes both X3 and Wolverine from the official movie cannon. 

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I like what Vaughn said about the sequel, that he'd have Magneto behind the JKF "magic bullet".  I kind of wished they would still have been teamed up after this film, but I can see why they didn't do it.  The wheelchair stuff, in my eyes, discredits and removes both X3 and Wolverine from the official movie cannon. 


And yet, can someone explain the presence of an elderly man named General Stryker?

 

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I like what Vaughn said about the sequel, that he'd have Magneto behind the JKF "magic bullet".  I kind of wished they would still have been teamed up after this film, but I can see why they didn't do it.  The wheelchair stuff, in my eyes, discredits and removes both X3 and Wolverine from the official movie cannon. 


 

Or you could have the US Government kill Kennedy and put the blame on Magneto along with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Ten years later, the US is deep in Vietnam because they say it's the front on the war against mutants when, in reality, it's because Vietnam has the richest deposits of adamantium in the world and the US is trying to covet it ala Iraq/Oil. Meanwhile, at home, debate rages about mutants and their civil liberties.

I just really, really want to see everyone wearing some awesome 70’s fashion.

 

Love your quote by the way......glad to see someone liked the idea......

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I think the idea is that General Stryker is Brian Cox's father... Xavier refers to his son, "William" during the conversation.

 

Anyway, the film is terrific and admirable and imperfect. Vaughn's casting is unbelievably astute, with Fassbender and McAvoy deftly avoiding any comparison with McKellen or Stewart and making these intriguing characters their own. Fassbender will obviously (and deservedly) reap most of the praise for his seductive, raging Lensherr, but for me, McAvoy was the heart of the film. Depicting Professor X as a charming, privileged idealist with a hint of cad was a clever idea, and his chemistry with Fassbender was almost tangible. I didn't care so much for the portrayals of the less-significant mutants such as Havok, Banshee or Angel, but Nicholas Hoult as Beast and Jennifer Lawrence as Raven bring something special to their roles, particularly Lawrence who is substantially more affecting than, and given much more to do than Rebecca Romjin.

 

Storywise, I was surprised with how efficient and smooth the script was in doling out huge chunks of narrative and backstory without losing sight of its characters. Obviously the 'new kid' mutant recruits were slightly shortchanged, but the fact that Goldman and Vaughn managed to wrangle so much pure 'story' into two and a quarter hours is admirable, even moreso when you consider that they never lose sight of the heart of the film. Some of the quieter moments between Raven, Beast, Lensherr and Professor X are among the film's best. To my mind, the scene where Xavier accesses one of Lensherr's long-lost memories is probably the most affecting scene in any X-men (or Marvel) movie to date.

 

The only significant flaw, in my opinion, was the clumsy final act where the film almost loses control of all of the plates it is trying to spin. Shaw is summarily dispatched of, while the lesser mutants get a few minutes of unexciting action to make their inclusion worthwhile. The real headscratcher is the decision to move the chess pieces into position for Singer's first X-Men film; why on earth did Fassbender need to become fully-fledged Magneto in this film? Surely there was more room for his relationship with Charles to develop, for tension to brew? I didn't fully buy into the last few minutes, emotionally, and it sorts of hurts my lasting impression of the film.

 

Still, I look forward to the sequel and hope this makes a truckload of cash. It's so much better than the mediocre Marvel films like 'Thor' and 'Iron Man 2' that I hope Fox realises what a treasure they have on their hands and gives Vaughn and company the time, money and freedom to develop a lasting franchise.

post #27 of 605

I liked it, didn't love it. For all of X2's flaws, that movie still has a lot of really great fist-pumping moments, and in the end I'll take those with the bad over a more even "OK" consistency. Though this did have some great beats. I guess people weren't into the climax, but I loved when Magneto "becomes" Magneto and dispatches Shaw, though I agree that it would have helped the movie immensely had they not felt the need to set up everything completely by the end. 

 

But overall...nothing's pulling me to re-watch this any time soon. There were surprisingly few action sequences. Come to think of it, I can hardly think of any beyond the assault on the CIA and the ending. And did anyone else think the opening sequences were flat-out horrendous? I was honestly nervous watching it, thinking, "Is the whole thing going to be this awkward?" Everything from young Xavier meeting Raven to young Magneto blowing up the offices just felt so "off" to me. 

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And did anyone else think the opening sequences were flat-out horrendous? I was honestly nervous watching it, thinking, "Is the whole thing going to be this awkward?" Everything from young Xavier meeting Raven to young Magneto blowing up the offices just felt so "off" to me.

I thought the Holocaust scene in the beginning was both horrifying exploitation and pure camp, with Bacon's Nazi giggling (oh the bizarre accents in this movie!) and that kid's screaming JAZZ HANDS. Paralleling that with young Xavier befriending Mystique was particularly weird. "You never have to steal again. Also, move in." Does six year old Xavier make all the rules in this house?

 

The entirety of Mystique's personality threw me off. I get that she certainly has identity issues. But she grew up with Xavier, and yet retained a slow aging process, but she's still gotta be, what, late twenties, early thirties? And when Xavier spurns her, she starts hanging out with the X-kids and has a great time dancing and partying with them, just like one of the kids. And then she moves right to Magneto. I really had a difficult time figuring out what her maturity level was supposed to be.
 

 

post #29 of 605

Being able to look as young or old as you want would likely fuck with your level of maturity.

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Few things more pointless than arguments about canon. 'Did this really happen?' 'Did that really happen?' None of it really happened! Han neither shot first nor second. There is no Han. Enjoy the stories you like - ignore those you don't.

 

To bring this back to X-Men - how many different versions of the world and its characters have there been since 1963? How many more have yet to be created? Don't worry it. 

 

This movie was fantastic. The cameo brought applause in my theater. Let Vaughn make all the X-Men movies he wants. So far the summer superhero movies are 2 for 2. Bring on GL and Cap.

post #31 of 605

Best compliment I can give this film is that I'm actively looking forward to paying to see it again, and taking friends with me.

 

Nick and I are working on a Tag-Team currently.

post #32 of 605

Bring it on Renn, can't wait.

 

 

post #33 of 605

Really fucking loved this, it's easily on par with X2 (and X2 is one of my all time favourite super-hero films). I think the film pales in comparison to X2 in overall structure (and nothing in the film matches the sheer energy of the Nightcrawler attack or the savageness of the Wolverine/Death Strike fight) but it towers over X2 in terms of characterisation and specific scenes. The cast are a joy to watch, the style of the thing is amazing, the script is surprisingly sharp (despite doing a prequel thing I hate and having to do the origin of a bunch of inane crap like the jet and the X-Mansion) and Vaughan's eye for incidental detail is brilliant. I just wish it felt more cohesive. There are so many great moments, but it often feels like you're watching a collection of FANTASTIC but loosely unrelated scenes.

 

I also loved the use of superpowers in this film, even little stuff like Magneto throwing the knife, and then pulling it back to stick into the guys hand again are made really great by the way Vaughan films things. He almost has a naturalistic take on the powers, sort of accepting their presence and filming them casually instead of making them specific money shots.

 

Fassbender is defintely the MVP, but I think Bacon does a lot with very little. His character is essentially beta-Magento (even his power matches Magneto in that it uses the tools of humanity against them), but he injects the character with life. He's almost delightful in his glee in his opening scene. Also love the score, really great piece of work, looking to see when it gets released on Amazon.

 

Edit: Oh, and I could watch an entire film of Magento and Xavier just recruiting people. That sequence was so much fun, it even made the end of it (which really should have made me groan) work.

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it made me groan

post #35 of 605

 

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Paralleling that with young Xavier befriending Mystique was particularly weird. "You never have to steal again. Also, move in." Does six year old Xavier make all the rules in this house?

 

I agree, that scene in particular was pretty clunky - we had a fire alarm mid film so they cancelled the session half way though, and we came back for following one - and both times it was quite awkward. That said, maybe he used his powers to convince his parents it was a good idea or something along those lines. I don't know.
 

I really enjoyed it - agree with the praise for Bacon, Fassbender, McAvoy and Lawrence. Such a pleasant change after frigging Wolverine.  I didn't mind Magneto's diminishing accent so much as McAvoy's English-with-a-bit-of-Scottish when he grew up in America and his sister had a fully blown twang, but hey.

 

In regards to Mystique's personality - I figure she's spent most of her life being bought cola at the pub and keeping completely in control to maintain her facade. Failing to do so would be a distaster, according to Xavier, who's somewhat patronising about the idea that she might have a bit of an issue with being blue and bumpy looking and feeling like a freak all the time. And then she's around a group of younger mutants and takes advantage of the opportunity to let her hair down, as she's never been able to before. I might be overthinking it though.

 

There was applause in our cinema for the cameo. And weirdly, for references to Xavier going bald.

post #36 of 605

I liked it, but man this has problems.

 

- January Jones is a horrible actress

- Aside from Xavier, Eric, Raven and Beast, the rest of the mutants are disposable with barely a line or two of dialogue.

- I know they had a rushed schedule, but some of the CGI was awful (Emma Frost outside the submarine looking for ice for example, there's some visible green screen shots too).

- Beast makeup seemed like it belonged to Sesame Street.

- Like everybody else said, they rushed the conclusion to fit the status quo of the first movie. I could have a second movie consisting only on Charles and Eric dabating their ideas while playing chess and still be happy.

 

That said, its miles better than X3 and Wolverine, and a solid effort overall (mostly thanks to McAvoy and Fassbender's chemistry) but best superhero movie ever (hello Devin Faraci)? Gimme a break.

 

post #37 of 605

Devin only says that to get Batman fanboys wilded up....

post #38 of 605

Also, poor Charles Xavier, he always ends every X-Men movie in a terrible way.

 

First one: Almost killed.

Second one: Kidnapped and weakened.

Third one: Dead

Prequel: Paralized.

 

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And yet, can someone explain the presence of an elderly man named General Stryker?

 


Yes, its William Striker's father, which, if his son is in his twenties/thirties, would make William Striker's Vietnam black ops work and recruiting of Logan and Victor fit in the time-line (you could also argue that the CIA and KGB supress the truth behind the missile crisis resolution in order to keep the public from knowing about them, while setting a "Mutant Cold war" bewteen the US and USRR).

As for the other "Wolverine" holes, they can be easily explain by saying CGed Xavier at the end was actually a mental illusion used by Xavier to guide the kids to safety from a distance, and the young Emma in that film can be any of a number of density/invulnerable mutants (Husk, Diamond Lil, etc).

Loved the film, BTW, and its just a notch below X-2 in my opinion.

As for sequels, i'd love to see a move to the 70's or 80's, with a Mutant Cold War race between CIA (Weapon X) and KGB (Omega Red), with Xavier and Magneto in the middle, trying to work their agendas from the conflict.

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Also, poor Charles Xavier, he always ends every X-Men movie in a terrible way.


Third one: Dead

 


I'd say he ended  "no more moral class teaching for you" in that one...and reeking of coma odor.

post #41 of 605

The movie is pretty good until the final thirty minutes and even sections of that are great. But jesus, there's some terrible dialogue and action beats in the last half hour. The airborne chase with the flying mutants is beyond terrible, just badly edited with "Wolverine" quality effects. Mystique's "Mutant pride" line that's used multiple times -Fucking terrible. Fassbender and Mcavoy carry this thing and Kevin bacon is just chewing scenery here. Without them First Class would have been a disaster. That's how good they are.

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Without them First Class would have been a disaster. That's how good they are.



 I initially balked at that but I think you have a point. I certainly wouldn't say disaster, but they certainly elevate it in the same way McKellen, Stewart and Cox elevated Singer's films.

 

I love this film more and more and I just can't get Fassbender out of my head. The Pigfarmer and Tailor scene is just incredible.

If only they had had more confidence in it from the beginning to structure it like a trilogy of prequels. The film really needed some breathing especially at the end.

 

Chalk that up the studio pressure rather than the filmmakers.

post #43 of 605

So you think everything in the film bar those three is disastrous? Wow.

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Also...

 

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the black X-Men dies first and the first one to defect is the Hispanic? C'mon now.

 


I thought the same exact thing.

 

Anyway, I loved this.  A lot of fun.  Definitely disappointed by its rush to get these fun characters to a certain set point by the end.

 

"I'm bad now!"

"I choose you!"

"My legs!"

 

I also found those opening scenes awkward.  Hahahaha, jazz-hands.  I did not like that.  That kid was definitely no Fassbender, who (after Inglorious Basterds and now this) continues to be my new man-crush.  So damned good.  Loved McAvoy as well.  He sells the saintly Xavier without being too saintly.  I appreciate the film calling him out for not realizing just how lucky he has it.  The two of them bring great balance to the film.  It's too bad we won't get anymore of Swingin' 60s Chuck' persona anymore though.  I loved that.

 

Kevin Bacon.  Such fun.

 

But jeez.  January Jones.  Why is she in movies?  I mean... I know why.  But why?  She's terrible.  It's as if even the movie gave up on her midway through. 

 

Rose Byrne just kinda comes and goes from the film as well.  The lovely lady really does seem to have a case of chronic melancholy no matter what film she's in.

 

Was I the only one that felt something between Darwin and Havok?  It couldn't help notice a vibe between them.

 

I do think that the film was over-reliant on its score.  A fantastic moment like Fassbender: Nazi Hunter drinking beer with two former Nazis (awkward!) would've been nice and tense without an overbearing score telling me to get nervous.  And I LOVE overbearing scores.  Maybe it's because Henry Jackman's work felt adequately functional.

 

My midnight audience, though hardly packed, ate the film up.  Two moments where they audibly gasped:  Hank's harsh words to Raven (that was painful) and Xavier's poorly chosen words ("Just following orders") at the end.  For hitting moments like that, while being a satisfyingly fun film, Vaughn has my love (though he already had it for Stardust).

 

Really looking forward to your tag-team review, guys.

 

EDIT:  Strange that Singer's production logo is now a reference to both Jaws and The Usual Suspects. 

 

 

 


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I loved Erik’s smirking look at Charles when he said ‘They’re just following orders’. It’s like, WELP, NOW YOU’VE DONE IT.

 

I really like January Jones in Mad Men, but holy shit she was terrible in this. Just Betty Draper with superpowers, even down to the weird way she cocks her head like a Labrador every now and then. I did love her sneering at the general whilst eating an oatcake or something, it was delightfully campy. I think Rose Byrne spent most of the film just rolling her eyes or being slightly concerned by stuff. Then again neither of them are as aggravating or given as much attention as Halle Berry’s Storm, so that’s a plus point.

 

One of the funnier things about the ending was that to quickly work things out they had to have Azazel and Stormy McGee kind of quickly switch sides to Magneto with very little explanation. Apparently they’re inherited goons.

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Oh boy. Guess I better get the 'ole flame retardant suit out. With the exception of Fassbender, most of Bacon's stuff, and the kid who played Beast I thought this was fucking dogshit. My jaw honestly dropped when I read some of the things you guys are praising. It feels like I saw a totally different film. What's really sad is I had the highest expectations of this after Layer Cake, Stardust, and Kick-ass(all three of which I loved). It's late so I'll just cover the main problems I had. 

 

Opening Holocaust scene was fucking hilarious when it was clearly supposed to be horrifying and disturbing. Young Magneto's retard screams and jazz hands(Thanks GabeT. I was struggling with trying to find a way to describe how goofy that looked on the drive home.) made my entire audience howl with laughter. 

 

This had to have been one of the most bland fucking scores I've heard in a long time. It's constant presence routinely ruined the tension and flow of entire scenes that might have been good otherwise. Reminded me a lot of Giacchino's Star Trek score in it's complete inability to make an impression while still being in the way. Also found it funny how it intended to invoke John Barry in places and instead reminded me of shitty Bond video game music. 

 

This movie has some of the most inept, lazy, and unnatural foreshadowing this side of AVP 2. McAvoy's line about going bald made my audience groan in disgust. 

 

The black mutant with the most interesting power out of the bunch is the first to die...and in the wimpiest way?? Really? Still? 

 

Mystique's various love sub-plots were painful to sit through. Sub-Twilight level drivel. 

 

January Jones comes off as a low-rent Christina Applegate. Why does she still get work? Oh....right. Also what the fuck was the point of that scene where she cuts a hole in the glass and breaks it? Why is that scene in the movie?

 

Out of the movie's 80 or so attempts at humor the movie only got two laughs. And both of them involved cameos. 

 

And last but not least this movie commits the capitol crime of completely wasting Michael Ironside. 

 

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Wasn't that initial scene with JAZZ HANDS Magneto from the first film, or are you talking about him trying to move the coin. Because I loved Fassbender's 'BLUE STEEL' variant of that pose when he moved the radar.

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I loved Erik’s smirking look at Charles when he said ‘They’re just following orders’. It’s like, WELP, NOW YOU’VE DONE IT.

 

I really like January Jones in Mad Men, but holy shit she was terrible in this. Just Betty Draper with superpowers, even down to the weird way she cocks her head like a Labrador every now and then. I did love her sneering at the general whilst eating an oatcake or something, it was delightfully campy. I think Rose Byrne spent most of the film just rolling her eyes or being slightly concerned by stuff. Then again neither of them are as aggravating or given as much attention as Halle Berry’s Storm, so that’s a plus point.

 

One of the funnier things about the ending was that to quickly work things out they had to have Azazel and Stormy McGee kind of quickly switch sides to Magneto with very little explanation. Apparently they’re inherited goons.

 

 

God I loathed Halle Berry's Storm.

 

Speaking of Azazel, was anyone else waiting for them to cram him and Mystique together to spell out Nightcrawler's origin. Even to a non comic fan it's apparent he has some connection to Kurt. As a disclaimer I'm delighted they didn't, it just seems odd that the last twenty minutes were so on the nose about tying the prequel to the trilogy but they deemed that dangling thread suitable for the sequel.

 

 

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I think this was mentioned up thread, but was anyone else surprised at how kinky and sexual the film was? It's a 12a over here and considering how abstract and bloodless the violence is, I've got to imagine it's due to how much flesh is on display and how kinky it gets at time. Not that I'm complaining, it's just something of an abberation in the rather puritanical superhero field.

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I think this was mentioned up thread, but was anyone else surprised at how kinky and sexual the film was? It's a 12a over here and considering how abstract and bloodless the violence is, I've got to imagine it's due to how much flesh is on display and how kinky it gets at time. Not that I'm complaining, it's just something of an abberation in the rather puritanical superhero field.

Seriously, some kinky shit in this. Mystique clearly has some sort of incestual thing going on with Xavier. Then she sees Beast's hand feet and is like IMAGINE WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT! After barely saying anything, Rose Byrne strips down to her skivvies, while Zoe Kravitz is already wearing almost nothing. White Queen multiplying herself to make love to people, while Magneto is like, I won't have sex with you Mystique... unless you're wearing the BLUESKIN tonight! Rawr! And c'mon, now... that Beast and Mystique scene was clearly intimating needle play. This was one pervy movie!
 

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The black mutant with the most interesting power out of the bunch is the first to die...and in the wimpiest way?? Really? Still?

 

I adapt to survive in any situation!

THREE MINUTES LATER

"Guys we have to do someth-" DEAD.
 

 

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