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post #51 of 605

Enjoyed it, but it's kinda fading from my mind already (save for cameo to end all cameos). The film took too long to get Xavier and Magneto together, too many threads going on. I will say that watching Fassbender go all Living Daylights James Bond on those Nazi fools made me go 'Yeah, now I kinda wish they did do the whole Magneto origin' movie rumored from way back when.

 

Damn, I hope Fassbender blows up big because of this. He carries everything.

post #52 of 605

I do too.  I think after this, and Alien Zero next year, he will become a star. 

 

But then again, I thought Clive Owen would become one too.....

post #53 of 605
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Wasn't that initial scene with JAZZ HANDS Magneto from the first film, or are you talking about him trying to move the coin. Because I loved Fassbender's 'BLUE STEEL' variant of that pose when he moved the radar.


It's when the kid is screaming in RAAAAAGE with his arms spread out like he wants an angry hug.  But Fassbender seems to be a master of making such poses look badass.  That's why I mentioned that the kid actor is no Fassbender.

 

 

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One of the funnier things about the ending was that to quickly work things out they had to have Azazel and Stormy McGee kind of quickly switch sides to Magneto with very little explanation. Apparently they’re inherited goons.


Bruce Campbell classified them as sidekicks at Sky High.  Really... what else are they gonna do? 

 

post #54 of 605

anyone is better then Toad. 

post #55 of 605

I could pick the film apart, but so much works that the flaws are marginal, and the flaws are more interesting than those in the previous X-Men films (the Singer films have not aged that well). I mean, the government can't find Charles Xavier's mansion in the middle of New York? That's his families house? Okay. There's probably too many characters, and the training montage should have come earlier, but I guess they wanted to eliminate characters so we wouldn't see them train, or whatever, but the film works like gangbusters when Fassbender's on screen, and McAvoy kills it, so that's enough.

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post #57 of 605

That's pretty much the long and short of it from where I sit.

post #58 of 605

Great review guys, really great. Touches on a lot of issues I had, but also a lot of the stuff I loved. I don't think I've liked with this many obvious flaws in a while.

post #59 of 605

You definitely put into words what I feel: this is Star Trek. a wildly flawed script, packed with characters and ridiculous plot devices that works because the two major leads are just so effin great. Hell, we even get such an origin story that the characters are kids when we first meet them. An irresistably fun time at the movies.

post #60 of 605

I must be the only one in the world who can't stand Rose Byrne. She's great to look at, but she's the John Cena of actresses.

 

That said, liked this a lot. Really hope it's a reboot. Wolverine's cameo is priceless, but even then I liked that they focused on the team rather than him. Really hope it's a reboot and not a prequel.

post #61 of 605

I don't mind Rose Byrne.  I just always feel really bad for her.  Heheh

 

Great review guys.  My mind really just kinda ignores the film's many flaws and focuses on the good stuff.  So many lesser filmmakers take these fun properties and fail to really sell those big moments.  Vaughn, as uneven and sloppy as he can be, really knows how to hit those moments.  I'm an easy mark for that.  Other than this film's somewhat anonymous score, Star Trek is a great comparison to this.

post #62 of 605

Apparently I'm the only one who really, really, liked Henry Jackman's score and is eagerly awaiting it's mid-June release.

post #63 of 605

It could be that I come to appreciate it when I listen to it separated from the film.  I know that has happened to me before.

post #64 of 605

It just really reminded me of Terence Blanchard's INSIDE MAN score. Kind of a classical sound but with a modern edge.

post #65 of 605

Really?  I love Blanchard's Inside Man score.  Well, I'm gonna pay attention to the score a little more when I go see the movie again with some friends tonight.

post #66 of 605

Just a random thought, but did anyone else think that Magento jamming the coin through Shaw's brain was going to be what paralysed Xavier. They just did the entire thing of Xavier essentially freezing Shaw in place and seeming to feel everything Shaw felt, so I was expecting that to be what essentially crippled him. The psychic trauma of Magneto's wrath, rather than Magneto voguing a bullet into his spine.

post #67 of 605

That didn't occur to me, because I didn't realize until a little later that the movie would be in such a rush to establish the status quo of the Singer movies.  I only realized Xavier's fate a moment before he actually stated it. 

 

But your idea would've been a very cool way for that to have happened. 

 

One thing that confused me... were the yellow/black suits supposed to be a little bulletproof?  For a moment there, I thought the bullet hit Xavier, but didn't pierce his skin because the bullet was crumpled as if his bones were made of adamantium.  Of course, I know nothing about the physics of bullet impacts.  It's just that I don't recall seeing any blood.  The only real indication of penetration was a sound effect when Erik pulls the bullet out. 

post #68 of 605
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That didn't occur to me, because I didn't realize until a little later that the movie would be in such a rush to establish the status quo of the Singer movies.  I only realized Xavier's fate a moment before he actually stated it. 

 

But your idea would've been a very cool way for that to have happened. 

 

One thing that confused me... were the yellow/black suits supposed to be a little bulletproof?  For a moment there, I thought the bullet hit Xavier, but didn't pierce his skin because the bullet was crumpled as if his bones were made of adamantium.  Of course, I know nothing about the physics of bullet impacts.  It's just that I don't recall seeing any blood.  The only real indication of penetration was a sound effect when Erik pulls the bullet out. 


Yeah, lack of blood was a thing, but that's how a slug looks when it's been fired into something like a tree, or a car, or a telepathic dude.

 

post #69 of 605

Aha.  I get all my information from movies, and usually think of kevlar when I see a bullet crumpled like that.  Hehehe

post #70 of 605

Spike Marshall, Not so!  I found Henry Jackman's Score to be...X-Quisite!  I also just ordered the score today!

 

WOW! This is truly a...First Class, X-Men X-Travaganza!  I...Love, the costumes, and all the characters both good and...EEEEEEEEvil!  I hope that there will be a...Second Class!

post #71 of 605

Huh.  Didn't realize that Henry Jackman was one of Zimmer's underlings.  Should've known.  Hehehe

 

Maaan, I wish Vaughn had kept John Powell on from X3.  I wonder who he would've had score X3 if he hadn't been replaced by Ratner.

post #72 of 605

I saw X-Men: First Class this evening, and I must say that I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was. I agree that McAvoy, Bacon, and especially Fassbender were the best parts of the movie. I loved the cameo during the recruiting montage.

post #73 of 605

The score was very John Williams-y at times, especially when Magneto's moving the sub over to the beach.


If anyone follows me on Facebook, these comments may seem familiar, but I'll expand a bit on what I wrote there:

The first hour is REALLY dodgy and had me nervous, but it picks up and the last 45 minutes are flat out great. McAvoy and Fassbender bring real nuance and layers to their characters, and most of the rest of the main cast do admirably. It's not great, but it's the best of the series so far.


Also, it was SUCH a relief that two of the biggest question marks for me (the two unknowns playing Havok and Banshee) turned out to actually be two of the better actors in the movie. The kid playing Banshee especially was really good, and seemed really natural. I hope they get more work after this.


Also: I love the very last shot of the movie for two very special reasons. Two very pointy, special reasons. SPOILER: Tiny horns! Tiny horns!


January Jones is such a bad fuckin' actress.


Seriously, you have a guy like Michael Fassbender with no lines and in the background, and he's still imbuing the scene with a sense of unchecked menace and machiavellianism. Whereas Jones, you could literally replace her with a mannequin in all her scenes and the emotional weight of them wouldn't be affected for a second. It's anti-acting. I have no idea why she's so popular.
 

Continuity-wise, the biggest hiccups I noticed are that Magneto DIDN'T help Xavier build Cerebro, and it they didn't meet when they were teenagers.

 

Everything else was explained (Mystique ages slowly, and even if they didn't touch that you could just assume she manifests herself as younger) or fits easily.
 

Yeah, it seems they're full-on enemies by the end of this movie and claim that contradicts the Jean Grey recruiting scene, but there's still almost 25 years of history between where this film ends and that scene takes place, so who knows if they made amends even temporarily?
 

What else is there? Havok is now Cyclop's older brother instead of younger? That's easy enough to swallow. You got Mystique in Azazel's presence, and plenty of decades for her to have a tryst with him and pop out baby Nightcrawler.
 

Honestly, if you ignore "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" (which it seems has been jettisoned from the X-movies continuity already), there's not much of a problem. Moira could easily be considered in her mid-to-late-20's here, and we didn't get THAT good a look at her in X3, so let's just assume she's in her late-50's there. If that's the biggest continuity plot hole, that's not much.
 

I loved the three cameos, and while I'm disappointed the big one was spoiled for me, I didn't know the context ofthe scene so that was fun! The other two were nice touches as well, although now that I think about, one of them isn't so much a cameo as it is a subtle nod.

post #74 of 605

My only issue with the rush to fit in with established continuity is the Raven/ Xavier relationship.  I didn't feel it was a stretch to see Xavier and Magneto to split, as their differences had been covered pretty thoroughly.  Raven leaving with Magneto just rang false to me, however.  I would hope for Vaughn's sake it was studio meddling, because it really is an awful character beat.  " oh hey, my lifelong friend has just been shot in the back, and is currently lying on the beach, possibly dying.  Well, I'm taking off with this other dude, see ya!" 

post #75 of 605
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My only issue with the rush to fit in with established continuity is the Raven/ Xavier relationship.  I didn't feel it was a stretch to see Xavier and Magneto to split, as their differences had been covered pretty thoroughly.  Raven leaving with Magneto just rang false to me, however.  I would hope for Vaughn's sake it was studio meddling, because it really is an awful character beat.  " oh hey, my lifelong friend has just been shot in the back, and is currently lying on the beach, possibly dying.  Well, I'm taking off with this other dude, see ya!" 



That whole scene just didn't sit with me. Lots of scenes didn't honestly. But yeah, everyone seemed pretty casual about the fact that Charles had just been shot in the spine -- only Moira seemed genuinely concerned.

 

This is a fun movie, but it's got a ton of holes and flaws that are going to get bigger and bigger with repeat viewings. I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but I too agree that the film's biggest flaw was its seemingly dire need to bridge itself to the first movie. So much so that it actually fails in several ways, and messes up the continuity that everyone is praising it for maintaining.

 

Charles and Erik weren't good friends (Erik is essentially Wolverine in this movie), and they didn't build the school, nor Cerebro together. The US government built virtually everything (literally everything, if you count the fact that Hank was a government scientist).

 

In the first film, Charles is concerned about the fact that he can't locate Magneto with Cerebro because his knowledge of the device in helping build it allowed him to devise a way to shield himself. Now, it's a helmet he took from Shaw that he's been wearing for forty years that Charles himself knows about.

 

The list goes on. But what I'm most disappointed about is the fact that everything that was worth watching was shortchanged, in favor or speeding towards putting these characters where the general audience recognizes them. They didn't even have to stage this film as a reboot of the franchise -- just not rush so damned fast towards the existing movies. Now there's a forty year gap that could have been filled with endless possibilities, with building tension between Charles and Erik and tension with a world that is slowly growing to discover that Mutants exist. Instead, we've already got Charles and Erik on opposing sides, Charles in a wheelchair, Erik is a brooding super villain, and they've already had the fleets of two national super powers launching missiles at them.

 

I realize that this film was a risky venture after the disasters that were X-Men 3 and Wolverine, and they had to cover all the bases in the event that any sequels weren't possible. But this film blew its whole load in such an... unceremonious way.

post #76 of 605

He doesn't know it's the helmet. He blamed Emma's telepathy, and then the panels in the sub's reactor. He never realizes it's the helmet, too.

 

ETA: Also, like I said in my post, there's still 25 years (at a minimum) of history between the ending of this movie and X-Men. Plenty of time for them to make amends for a period of time, maybe build the big Cerebro at the mansion (thus explaining why Mags gives himself credit for co-building it), and recruiting more students (like Jean, for example). Unless you assume X-Men begins the very next day, there's no reason any of those things can't still be EASILY addressed.

post #77 of 605

Whoever called Angel 'hispanic' is way off. Zoe Kravitz is the daughter of Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet. An interesting Jewish/African ancestry.

 

But yeah, if I had one major complaint about this movie, it was how poorly they treated Darwin. The sole mutant killed - other than the main villain - is the token black guy. And the death is at the hands of the main villain, Shaw, who had previously set a rule for his mutant henchmen to NOT kill their own kind. Pretty fucked up death.

 

There were too many characters. Some were very well constructed (Xavier, Erik, Sebastian, Raven, Beast), others were left short-changed (Azazel, Darwin, Moira), and the rest(Havok, Banshee, Angel, TORNADO HOLY SHIT WORTHLESS GUY) of them this movie either A) could have fleshed them out properly, or B) should have completely done without. I know they want to pack as many characters as they can in there to have a diverse grouping and create factions. It's a difficult task to handle. But it does everyone and the movie a disservice.

Fun movie though, sure.

post #78 of 605
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And the death is at the hands of the main villain, Shaw, who had previously set a rule for his mutant henchmen to NOT kill their own kind. Pretty fucked up death.



 Really? What part was that? I didn't catch that.

 

 I liked how they made Azazel German, as a nod to his eventual fathering of Nightcrawler.

 

post #79 of 605

Much better than Wolverine. However, so much stuff in this movie did not work at all. So many terrible lines, characters, scenes, and also a screenplay that jumps around awkwardly. Id rank this movie below the two Singer films. I love Lawrence but she had so many horrific lines/line readings in this thing.

 

Singers films havent aged well, but I have a feeling this one is going to age worse. Worth seeing if you like X-Men or Comic book movies but nothing new or particularily thrilling. I'd give it a B-/C+. Left the theater not nearly as satisfied as when I had left the theater after seeing X2.

 

As good as Fassebender is, I still prefer Ian McKellen. Fassebender is really good, but I miss the charm/twinkle in the eyes/sense of humor that McKellen brought to his films. Fassebender is very serious. But at the same time, i agree with others when they say Fassebender and McAvoy make the film & don't just ape the performances of McKellen and Stewart. Bacon was fun.

 

The 1st films best, Jackman, McKellen, Stewart, Paquin, Stamos, are all-around much stronger than this films best Fassebender, Stewart, Bacon, Lawrence, ____. And therefore, the inevitable sequel, if you can call it that, will have that much less to work with. But we'll see.

 

 

post #80 of 605

This doesn't play quite as well the 2nd time, but I still enjoyed it. 

 

I realized in the 2nd viewing that Young Erik's rage-filled jazz-hands scream was actually a very long "NEIN."  Hahahahaha  One wonders why he didn't kill Shaw right there.  He seemed to have enough control to crunch the helmets of the soldiers.  It clearly wasn't random chaos.  He was very specifically directing where his powers landed.  Yet he doesn't attempt to do anything to Shaw.  The movie never even deals with that bit of inaction through Fassbender.

 

Also, for a guy that only just learned that he was not the only mutant, he seems to have a very strong sense of Mutant Pride when lecturing Raven.  That stuff ends up feeling like scenes from a completely different movie in which Erik Lensherr is not the lead.

 

You know what I loved?  The cheesy retro look into Emma Frost's mind as we get a very detailed glimpse into Shaw's world map, motion-graphic exposition, and full-fledged mutant apocalypse.  The look on Bacon's face as he puts the missile magnet on Cuba is priceless.

 

 


Edited by mcnooj82 - 6/4/11 at 7:06am
post #81 of 605

Got a pass out from the wife and chose this. Loved it. Cameos were well chosen, nods to other movies/universe weren't overpowering and Fassbender and Macavoy (who I was most worried about) were both outstanding. The first half hour had me grinning from ear to ear until the 'lets find mutants' bit (with one obvious exception). Yes there was some dumb shit (MAJOR vehicular damage but little injury being the most egregious IMO, Angel character was completely pointless, Beast makeup was a bit dodgy, THAT's a secret CIA base?...) but the goodwill I had towards it from all the rest allowed me to suspend my disbelief when it needed to be.

 

 

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This doesn't play quite as well the 2nd time, but I still enjoyed it. 

 

 

 

 



was wondering that as I felt exactly the same thing with Kick Ass (which I can't watch all the way through anymore, just skip to the action bits)

 

post #83 of 605

What can I say? I loved it. Even more than X2 in fact. Bacon is such an awesome villian. Pretty much a Bond villian with an awesome power.

 

But I agree that the ending was way too rushed. I would've much preferred Eric and Charles still working together at the end of this one. And they splitting apart over the next few films.

 

A few questions.

 

1) I only recognised Storm during the Cerebro search. Anybody catch who were the other kid mutants?

 

2) I thought Eric showing up in his red Magneto getup at the end a little weird. I can see him keeping Shaw's Helmet. But Eric's a no nonsense kind of guy, the red costume getup doesn't seem like a thing he would bother with.

post #84 of 605
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Storm was mentioned?

post #85 of 605

One of the children that Xavier "views" during his Cerebro search looks like Storm. White hair and all. 

post #86 of 605

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One of the children that Xavier "views" during his Cerebro search looks like Storm. White hair and all. 


 Yep. She's the very first mutant that they show.

post #87 of 605

And i guess none of us were surprised by that "super secret" cameo later.

 

I wonder if we'll get another installment? I am in as long Fassbender and McAvoy are in it.

 

As for the girls

 

January Jones - She's a terrible actress (e.g UNKNOWN). But i didn't have a problem with her version of Emma Frost. She supposed to be some kind of icy eye candy anyway.

 

Rose Bryne- She's a CIA Agent in this version? All in all she's decent in the role. Easy on the eyes as well.

post #88 of 605

felix, I...Loved seeing Erik in his full...Magneto costume!  Rose Byrne being a CIA Agent, doesn't interfere with her being a Dr. as well!  I am hoping that...Jean Grey is the next recruit, in a potential...2nd Class, and Cyclops and Wolverine in a hoped for...3rd Class!  

post #89 of 605
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He doesn't know it's the helmet. He blamed Emma's telepathy, and then the panels in the sub's reactor. He never realizes it's the helmet, too.

 

ETA: Also, like I said in my post, there's still 25 years (at a minimum) of history between the ending of this movie and X-Men. Plenty of time for them to make amends for a period of time, maybe build the big Cerebro at the mansion (thus explaining why Mags gives himself credit for co-building it), and recruiting more students (like Jean, for example). Unless you assume X-Men begins the very next day, there's no reason any of those things can't still be EASILY addressed.


When they're on the beach, and the fleets have fired their missiles, Charles knows it's the helmet. He clearly tries to get the helmet off while they're struggling with one another, so he can take control of Erik and stop the redirected missiles. And it seems silly to have Charles and Erik's friendship be on-again-off-again for the next forty years, after they went to such lengths to establish their falling out in this film.


 

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Whoever called Angel 'hispanic' is way off. Zoe Kravitz is the daughter of Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet. An interesting Jewish/African ancestry.


The character's name is Angel Salvadore. Casting aside, the character is intended to be a Latina.

post #90 of 605

I know everyone is always slobbering on his knob, but Fassbender OWNS the shit outta this movie. I thought it'd be an uphill battle for him, after McKellan did such a wonderful job (at least a tougher challenge than McAvoy had)......and he killed it.

And I agree with BTSMGL, the tiny horns at the end were a nice, unexpected touch. I want a sequel NOW.

post #91 of 605

When you guys say horns, are you referring to Magento's helmet in his final scene? Because I loved the entire look of his costume in that scene.

 

Am I right in assuming the kid with red hair and sunglasses in the cerebro sequence was Scott Summers? I literally know nothing about the X-Men beyond the crappy 90s cartoon and the movies.

post #92 of 605

Yup, the helmet horns. And I want to say they even served a purpose at the beginning of the comics? That was how he directed/concentrated his metal prowess, was through the horns?.......Someone may know better than me, and I may be way off there. 

And I just saw Storm in the Cerebro scene. It moved too fast for me to notice Cyclops or anyone else.

post #93 of 605

I'm definitely in the "fun, but the flaws are going to tear it apart in my memory" camp.

 

I have one major issue in particular: Magneto's experiences in this film do not fit with his beliefs in the Singer movies. Making the object of his rage into a mutant was a big, big mistake--he's supposed to hate humans. That's kind of vital. He's basically tormented from day one by people who wanted to create a "master race", one of whom turns out to be a mutant who has basically replaced "Aryans" with "mutants" in his philosophy. He devotes his life to tracking them down, destroying them. Then, at the end, with a line or two, he suddenly adopts their philosophy. I realize they were going for a "he became what he despised" thing, but it doesn't make any actual sense. If anything, he should have become a self-loathing mutant, not a mutant supremacist.

 

Then there's stuff like the Hellfire Club casually linking hands and teleporting off into the sunset with the guy who just killed their boss, or Mystique's mostly unmotivated heel turn. There really wasn't enough in this to explain the mutant's hatred of humans--it was more about hating each other.

 

I also disliked the New Teen Mutant Squad, and is it just me, or did the 60s aesthetic completely vanish whenever we were focused on them?

 

There was a lot to like--Fassbender is incredible every second he's on screen, and he basically seemed to be auditioning for James Bond the whole time--but it's another example of a thrill ride with really crappy underlying story logic.

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When they're on the beach, and the fleets have fired their missiles, Charles knows it's the helmet. He clearly tries to get the helmet off while they're struggling with one another, so he can take control of Erik and stop the redirected missiles. And it seems silly to have Charles and Erik's friendship be on-again-off-again for the next forty years, after they went to such lengths to establish their falling out in this film.


The character's name is Angel Salvadore. Casting aside, the character is intended to be a Latina.



 1. Hrmm, I didn't catch that he was trying to take it off so he could control him. I figured since he went out of his way in two separate ocassions to call out Emma AND the panels as the reason he couldn't read Shaw, yet never commented on the helmet, that he never figured it was the reason.

 

 ETA: And I don't think it's silly at all. Like I keep repeating, there's like 25-30 years of story still left untold. Even at the end of this movie, Erik still doesn't consider Xavier a true enemy. He's distraught when Xavier's shot and even tries to kill the person he feels caused his injury. There's PLENTY of reasons to tell a "make amends for a while" story without it seeming false.

 

 2. Yeah, and Darwin's name is Armando Muñoz, so technically they're both Afro-Latin.

 

post #95 of 605

I really enjoyed this flick.  Of course, there were a ton of characters that were underdeveloped and one-dimensional - especially since the movie is called FIRST CLASS, but the rest works so well I looked past it.

 

I was having a fine time with the movie until the climax, and then I started to get really nitpicky.  Was Banshee really in the water for ten minutes waiting for his chance to "save the day"?  Once he did save the day, wasn't it a tad ridiculous that he could carry another body with little effort?  And how in the shit did Mystique have any clue what Sebastian looked like? She had the helmet and wardrobe down.  Did I miss something, or wasn't he out of sight up to that point?

 

I do have a question though.  Were there a few sequences in the movie that felt unpolished?  There were a handful of moments that had inconsistent lighting depending on the angle, as well as scenes that seemed like they missed color-correction during the editing.  Did anyone else experience this?  I wish I could remember a scene for reference dammit.

 

And everyone liked Fassbender, as did I, but I swear his accent went in and out.  However, I have to give props to McAvoy.  I felt he fucking knocked it out of the park and I found every scene with him just as riveting as Fassbender's if not more so.  January Jones is horrible, and I rarely complain about acting abilities because I rarely notice, nor make a claim that I know better, but fuck she was bad.

 

Interestingly, I found some of the CG to be pretty obvious.  It had a glossy, softness to it that made it difficult to accept.  Again, just getting nitpicky I guess because I really did like the movie.

 

The main story was pretty good, the cameos were fun and the acting was mostly great.

 

Is this the first movie with no Stan Lee cameo?

 

 

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I also disliked the New Teen Mutant Squad, and is it just me, or did the 60s aesthetic completely vanish whenever we were focused on them?

 

 

Not just you.  Was 'badass' a commonly used term in the 60s?  That's what Havok calls Beast's new look.

 

All good points, Prankster.

 

 

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I wonder if we'll get another installment? I am in as long Fassbender and McAvoy are in it.


According to Fassbender, they all signed a three-film contract.  Assuming this does well, I'd say First Class sequels are the future of the franchise (aside from the Wolverine and Deadpool spinoffs).  If it doesn't, then we'll probably get an X-Men IV.  I suspect that's why the ended the film with Prof X in the chair and Magneto as a villain..................that way it can act as a standalone prequel if it needs to.  Basically, they are hedging their bets.

 

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 1. Hrmm, I didn't catch that he was trying to take it off so he could control him. I figured since he went out of his way in two separate ocassions to call out Emma AND the panels as the reason he couldn't read Shaw, yet never commented on the helmet, that he never figured it was the reason.

 

 ETA: And I don't think it's silly at all. Like I keep repeating, there's like 25-30 years of story still left untold. Even at the end of this movie, Erik still doesn't consider Xavier a true enemy. He's distraught when Xavier's shot and even tries to kill the person he feels caused his injury. There's PLENTY of reasons to tell a "make amends for a while" story without it seeming false.

 

 2. Yeah, and Darwin's name is Armando Muñoz, so technically they're both Afro-Latin.

 


I just saw it again (there's too much to like and dislike equally for me not to see it again and form more solid opinions) -- and you're right. It came through better the second time that there's no animosity between Erik and Charles when they part ways. I can now see the two of them getting together to play games of chess from time to time, and Charles constantly trying to point Erik in the right direction. And I can see how they can continue to create tension as Erik becomes more and more absorbed in his goals, and Charles wanting peace. It's still funny how much time is spent on the beach, though, with Charles lying there with a hole in his back. And how the hell do they get off that beach and back onto US soil?! They should have had Azazel teleport everyone, and have their parting ways scene later. A quiet scene with everyone in the mansion on uneasy terms, and Charles and Erik playing one last round of chess before Erik and his crew take off.

 

It doesn't make any goddamned sense for five people on a beach in Cuba, surrounded by two fleets that I'm positive haven't fired off their entire payload, with no plane or ability to escape, to make it all the way back to New York. And with a guy covered in blue fur, and another guy who can't walk.

 

I feel that kind of thing describes the gist of this film, in general: a lot of dramatic stuff that seems to suit the story, until you think about it later and say to yourself, "Wait, what the hell...?"

 

There's way too much wrong with the film for me to call it a success, overall -- it's definitely fun, though. It gets by, and gets a pass for all that stuff, solely on charm.

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And also on Jennifer Lawrence.

 

Damn, that girl's body is bangin'.

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And also on Jennifer Lawrence.

 

Damn, that girl's body is bangin'.


In a Hollywood where most women have stick-legs, Lawrence's full gams are quite fetching.

 

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