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Surprised that no one's started a thread on this. Rep Weiner is a member of Congress from New York. This week he was grilled pretty hard by the Press for a photo of a man's crotch (in underwear) that he Tweeted to a 21 year old Co-Ed in Seattle. Looks likes he's in hot water now.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/29/politics/main20067242.shtml
Was Weiner's response kind of limp?
Dude's a damn legend in my book. Easily one of the only US pollies I go out of my way to listen to cause he seems to simultaniously have actual liberal principles and ideals (rather than just paying lip service to them), is not afraid to be outspoken and uncompromising with them AND he's got a helluva sense of humor at the same time.
This is just a bloody beatup as far as I can tell - but then I'm sure plenty of his detractors and political opponents would just love to see him silenced or compromised. Kinda surprised it's taken this long actually.
VIVA LA WEINER!
Hm so you think it's a setup? That Wiener is correct that someone hacked his Twitter account, stole or created a photo of him and sent it using his credentials?
I was amazed to hear Rush Limbaugh of all people deploring the media circus that this has turned into. "I want to beat him because he's wrong!" though he then said "I'm disgusted that the media is going after him on this (and not on his beliefs). I'll take it, but I don't like it" (i.e. he's fine with the man being attacked and humiliated but it bugs him he can't do so on the guy's belief system and record).
Me I think Weiner totally Tweeted that pic.
Honestly even if it turns out he did I couldn't give a shit - but then I have this crazy notion that I couldn't give a shit what a politician does in their spare time as long as it doesn't effect their performance in office or suggest a gross hypocricy in acting in a way directly contradictory to policy postions they stand for (ya know like supporting bans on gay rights while getting blowjobs in mens bathrooms - that kinda thing). I'm an old fashioned guy like that.
Seems like it'd be pretty easy to exploit the yfrog hack if one were a politically motivated hacker. Personally, I don't know why he'd do this to a twitter follower. That it's career suicide makes me think it was indeed a hack, but his legalese answer isn't helping.
Nicely done.
I dunno, this whole thing got blown up by Andrew Breitbart & he's a fucking douchebag. I'm not inclined to believe it, but even if it turned out to be true I wouldn't care. Maybe he doesn't get laid that often? Dry spells can make you do some weird shit.
Just another child in Washington D.C the district of criminals. Party doesn't even factor into these situations they are simply better than us.
Seems like it'd be pretty easy to exploit the yfrog hack if one were a politically motivated hacker. Personally, I don't know why he'd do this to a twitter follower. That it's career suicide makes me think it was indeed a hack, but his legalese answer isn't helping.
Legalese answer? Huh? He said it wasn' him and itt was done as a distraction. I'm not sure what's so suspicious about that. And who said it was a photo of him, Cylon?
Surprised that no one's started a thread on this.
See, now I thought that the lack of mention was a sign that it universally considered to be petty bullshit not worth mentioning.
The main stream media's managed to achieve two remarkable feats this weak. One, covering Palin's asinine 'tour' by pretending they're reporting on why the media is paying attention at all...thus actually covering Palin's 'tour'. Two, taking every single thing about Weiner's situation and stirring them into supposed news items and faux-pontificating on the ramifications. And also sinking to juvenile levels concerning his name by pretending to be chiding that very thing. They (and you!) are responsible for the perpetual motion the non-story has achieved. It's like watching an alchemist at work.
And while we're on it, we need a serious moratorium on the 'gate' suffix being applied to every goddamn incident. Weiner-Gate, Twitter-Gate, Pizza-Gate, Nanny-Gate, Nipple-Gate, Climate-Gate, Trooper-Gate, Camilla-Gate, Close The-Gate, They're At The-Gate...
Legalese answer? Huh? He said it wasn' him and itt was done as a distraction. I'm not sure what's so suspicious about that. And who said it was a photo of him, Cylon?
From the interviews I saw, when asked a direct question as to whether or not that is him in the photo, he hasn't said it definitively isn't. And I sorta understand why he'd say that even if he believed it wasn't him. But it certainly isn't helping his case any. That's what I meant by legalese. He's been careful about saying his account was hacked and that he didn't post or send the photos. Could be he's hiding the fact that he was snapping pics for his wife, I dunno.
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Honestly even if it turns out he did I couldn't give a shit - but then I have this crazy notion that I couldn't give a shit what a politician does in their spare time as long as it doesn't effect their performance in office or suggest a gross hypocricy in acting in a way directly contradictory to policy postions they stand for (ya know like supporting bans on gay rights while getting blowjobs in mens bathrooms - that kinda thing). I'm an old fashioned guy like that.
Amen! Nicely put. I'm sick to death of people demanding for his resignation over this and how he's a disgrace to America and blah blah blah...c'mon people, we've all done weird things on the internet. Right? Haven't we?
Well, it's been a while since Republicans have had a chance to salivate over a Democrat's penis, they really just can't help themselves. It's Pavlovian.
Here's more on Dan Wolfe, the guy who allegedly "broke" the story to Breitbart. Brietbart has been noticably distancing himself from the dude now...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/dan-wolfe-anthony-weiner-weinergate-632095
. And who said it was a photo of him, Cylon?
I did not, but in fact Weiner called a press conference Wednesday and was asked that very question. His answer? "Well I don't know about any and all photos of me that are out there in the world". How about "NO IT"S NOT ME". Honestly if he's just said "hey some asshole hacked my Twitter feed I'll get back to you once the Security consultants I've hired find him" and then shut up, this would not be in the news. It's another example of "it's not the "crime" it's the cover-up".
See, now I thought that the lack of mention was a sign that it universally considered to be petty bullshit not worth mentioning.
The main stream media's managed to achieve two remarkable feats this weak. One, covering Palin's asinine 'tour' by pretending they're reporting on why the media is paying attention at all...thus actually covering Palin's 'tour'. Two, taking every single thing about Weiner's situation and stirring them into supposed news items and faux-pontificating on the ramifications. And also sinking to juvenile levels concerning his name by pretending to be chiding that very thing. They (and you!) are responsible for the perpetual motion the non-story has achieved. It's like watching an alchemist at work.
And while we're on it, we need a serious moratorium on the 'gate' suffix being applied to every goddamn incident. Weiner-Gate, Twitter-Gate, Pizza-Gate, Nanny-Gate, Nipple-Gate, Climate-Gate, Trooper-Gate, Camilla-Gate, Close The-Gate, They're At The-Gate...
Oh come on, the CHUD Political forum doesn't need to be a humorless wasteland of invective, hair pulling and teeth gnashing. Sarah Palin is almost an unknowing Andy Kauffmanesque Meta-Comediane now, and her antics are in fact amusing as well (I thought Trump would be more ridiculous but instead he's just a load). Democracy has always included Political theater, and these kind of events are part and parcel of that.
Weiner may well come back and say "look, we've got an IP address and it's leads right to the Brookings Institute!" Bet you'd be all over this story then!
Oh and before anyone comes in here and says "Well this is distracting us from the IMPORTANT issues" well , no it's not. The Budget, unemployment, the War in Wherever etc etc is covered on an hourly basis by the Media. Hell I don't even watch TV but get all the news I can handle (and more!) from Yahoo, NPR, the Wall Street Journal etc.
You're coming across as a wee bit over-sensitive there CB. No ones attacked you here.
You're coming across as a wee bit over-sensitive there CB. No ones attacked you here.
Not sensitive at all, just find some posters here (cough SoylentGreen cough) who are really great posters, take these stories a bit too seriously. And yeah I'm sure the Weiner family is not having much fun, but then again, as I posted above, Rep W could have dealt with this in a much better way. And if he's smart, he'll go on Letterman and crack a bunch of Weiner jokes.
My guess would be The Daily Show considering his lifelong friendship with Jon Stewart.
Sorry, Cylon. I left that (..and YOU!) in there against my own better judgment. It certainly wasn't meant as a jab.
My thought was not you specifically, but the 'anybody' reading the post (myself included). It's like some Joseph Heller kind of universe where a person can't talk about something getting unnecessary attention without giving it that unnecessary attention. Like I said, as with Palin, the media can't help themselves and somehow generate the news instead of finding and reporting it. Artificially giving an air of substance.
As far as Weiner's situation goes, I imagine nobody with a last name Weiner makes it through 12 grades of merciless elementary boneheads and goes into politics without the steely resolve he obviously has to deal with the slings and arrows. And you're right, his best bet would be to outmaneuver the situation so that he, and not the media jackals and late night comedians, controls the attention.
Maybe it raises my hackles just a little more than it normally would because the media is already at frenzy defcon 1 over Palin. (After hearing her lecture Bostonians on Paul Revere's bell-ringing gun shooting ride all the while yelling at the British, I was livid) It was like dropping the Weiner thing into a piranha feeding craze.
I am, however, standing pat on the 'gate' suffix thing. That's gotta go. ;)
Quite frankly this has me fucking infuriated. There is a chance that he was truly hacked, but knowing our politicians, even the smart ones, there's gotta be a 75% chance it's gonna turn out the exact opposite way we were hoping and he did something fucking idiotic. I can only imagine him pulling some shit and his handlers running for the computers in a panic, you've all heard stories about how our representatives in Congress are basically children that need to be taken care of almost 24/7. And like I said, it's infuriating, because just like Eliot Spitzer and John Edwards all fucking over again we have a guy who was on track to really reaching a position of strength and who was going to do great stuff for this country and for our people, and who unlike 90% of the bastards in the party actually cared about what they were doing, only to cut their own legs out from under themselves because they're irresponsible. It's almost like they forget how much is riding on them and how much we depend on them to not ruin their careers in such fucking humiliating fashion and actually achieve reform.
I mean, look how goddamn much of Clinton's presidency was ruined because of his scandals, all that time and cache that could have gone to helping this country instead spent playing defense. Makes you want to shout, "Grow the fuck up and get back to work you narcissists!"
This is why we need barriers between politicians and the public, and they need to get the fuck off Twitter and Facebook. Because none of them are as smart as we need them to be.
The best part of this whole thing has been the coverage by The Daily Show. Absolutely hilarious.
Sorry, Cylon. I left that (..and YOU!) in there against my own better judgment. It certainly wasn't meant as a jab.
Maybe it raises my hackles just a little more than it normally would because the media is already at frenzy defcon 1 over Palin. (After hearing her lecture Bostonians on Paul Revere's bell-ringing gun shooting ride all the while yelling at the British, I was livid) It was like dropping the Weiner thing into a piranha feeding craze.
I am, however, standing pat on the 'gate' suffix thing. That's gotta go. ;)
No offense taken, it's more like I'm watching Black Dynamite in a theater and laughing my ass off, and you're sitting next to me stone faced.
And I think Palin is absolutely hilarious, and the more she's on TV and talking , the more discredited the Tea Party is, so yeah, it kind of serves a purpose too :)
I mean, look how goddamn much of Clinton's presidency was ruined because of his scandals, all that time and cache that could have gone to helping this country instead spent playing defense. Makes you want to shout, "Grow the fuck up and get back to work you narcissists!"
This is why we need barriers between politicians and the public, and they need to get the fuck off Twitter and Facebook. Because none of them are as smart as we need them to be.
I think that's a terrible argument to make. "Those politicians are just naturally horny and weird and rapey, so let's conceal their shenanigans from the innocent public who just wouldn't understand how great they really are". It gives rise to the constant hypocrisy that we see of our "leaders" telling us to behave one way while they behave in another way.
Like how all those Congressman who babble on against Gay Marriage ALWAYS turn out to be Gay themselves. I'd much rather these people be watched and held to account for their actions.
And if you don't think those "private matters" can affect public service, think again. John Edwards was indicted today for using supporter's money to pay off his secret Hippy Woman and her Love Child, in violation of campaign finance laws.
I do think how elected representatives deal with trials like these speak to their true character, and speaks to how they lead.
Barney Frank had a male prostitute operating a business out of his home but yet he's still in office and now has real stature as a Congressman. Why? Because he don't take shit from no one!
Another example; Barack Obama. The man is deadly serious, but he can crack a joke, take a joke, and defuse really serious issues (eg was the Rev Wright fiasco, which could have destroyed his candidacy, yet he turned that situation around with one speech and made it an asset!)
Now we have Rep W who first issues a statement saying he's been framed, then calls a Press Conference where he's an uptight ass, issuing non-answers to questions he must have known would be asked, then going silent again. If he's so arrogant and out of touch that he thought the press wouldn't ask a basic question like "is that a picture of you that a Coed received in a Tweet from you?" he's so delusional he should be in a mental home.
I agree, she's hilarious. Thing is, the rational side of me sees it exactly as you do - her effortless discrediting and demolishing of the Tea Party cult is the kind of self-destructive hubris driven apocalypse any decent person could hope for. But the extremely cynical side of me says "Yeah, but that doesn't matter a lick to this moron Right/Tea base!".
Of course, this base is still relatively fringe-sized and doesn't appear to pose much of threat. I just worry about that crazy tendency in our history for the unexpected. Jesus Christ, in just the last decade we've had two stars from PREDATOR as governors, several states that want to whitewash non-whites right out of history and a Supreme Court that thinks corporations deserve more human rights than people of a different sexual stripe. I've learned not to underestimate our nation's capacity for the insane.
Getting back to Weiner, you're absolutely right. How does someone go into a press conference or a tv interview and not be even somewhat prepared for what were the most obvious questions imaginable? What's funnier is that his mishandling of the media attacks is doing him more damage than the tweet itself would, even if it were legit.
I'm reminded of a quote by Somerset Maugham that got some internet play around the time Marv Albert's panty wearing and s&m habits leaked. “There is hardly anyone whose sexual life, if it were broadcast, would not fill the world at large with surprise and horror.” It's a double-edged sword. There has to be, as you say, some serious transparency with politicians. But there also has to be a tempered understanding that they are only human. Not as a shield or an excuse for behavior that clearly impedes their ability to do their job or betrays the compact of trust they are supposed to enter into with their constituents upon election. But as a bulwark against the holier-than-thou baloney piety that the media, internet denizens and people-on-the-street adopt before examining the full scope of an issue.
Quite frankly this has me fucking infuriated. There is a chance that he was truly hacked, but knowing our politicians, even the smart ones, there's gotta be a 75% chance it's gonna turn out the exact opposite way we were hoping and he did something fucking idiotic. I can only imagine him pulling some shit and his handlers running for the computers in a panic, you've all heard stories about how our representatives in Congress are basically children that need to be taken care of almost 24/7. And like I said, it's infuriating, because just like Eliot Spitzer and John Edwards all fucking over again we have a guy who was on track to really reaching a position of strength and who was going to do great stuff for this country and for our people, and who unlike 90% of the bastards in the party actually cared about what they were doing, only to cut their own legs out from under themselves because they're irresponsible. It's almost like they forget how much is riding on them and how much we depend on them to not ruin their careers in such fucking humiliating fashion and actually achieve reform.
I mean, look how goddamn much of Clinton's presidency was ruined because of his scandals, all that time and cache that could have gone to helping this country instead spent playing defense. Makes you want to shout, "Grow the fuck up and get back to work you narcissists!"
This is why we need barriers between politicians and the public, and they need to get the fuck off Twitter and Facebook. Because none of them are as smart as we need them to be.
It's interesting that you seem to reserve your ire for the politicians rather than a mass corporate media and easily lead populace that love to concentrate on irrelevant trivialities rather than actual public policy. We get the politicians we deserve.
Sure, the media environment is toxic and shallow, but it ultimately begins and ends with these politicians being responsible human beings. I think that the Lewinsky scandal was blown way out of scope but all the people in France trying to defend and justify Strauss-Kahn is sickening. There needs to be a line somewhere. I think dragging out personal lives can be ridiculous, but I also agree with the other guy above saying that one affects the other. And I think our leaders need to man up and realize that in this current media environment they DO have to walk the walk, if only to protect the programs they believe in. When somebody like Clinton gets taken to the chopping block, all the programs he's backing are suddenly at stake. The fact that they continue to threaten their own administrations, their own programs, their own parties like this is indefensibly selfish.
And I don't think that they should get off Twitter so we can turn a blind eye to their improprieties. What I'm saying is that by giving them that direct line of communication to random supporters they start off slightly formal, then informal, then their confidence builds up, and they feel like they can get away with being a little more like themselves and screw around, and then they do something fucking idiotic.
I think politicians are still fallable human being and it's the environment around them that has changed changed for the worse, not the nature and behaviour of politicians themselves.
The fact is, with all his infidelities, illness and massive use of barbiturates daily, there's simply no way John F Kennedy could have become a fucking intern, let alone a congressman, senator and eventually president in this day and age - and I think that speaks to how completely out of whack the media and public priorities have become when it comes to their politicians at this point in history.
Like I said, unless their actions directly contradict any of their political ideals or policy positions, it really should be nobodies fucking business what they do in their personal life.
What the fuck. First, new photos turned up. Then Weiner scheduled a press conference. Then Breitbart took over the press conference. Now Weiner is on live TV apologizing and saying the pics are him and is taking responsibility for sending them.
Christ what a dumbshit.
What a fucking waste. I'm a huge fan of the guy - not necessarily all of his politics, but we need more politicians like him (pre this) around.
What a cunt he is.
Memo to Rep. Wiener: YOU'RE NOT HELPING.
Unbelievable.
So, former Rep. Chris Lee (a Republican) resigned almost immediately after a far less explicit shirtless photo and Weiner is refusing to do so? Doesn't anyone see the double standard at play here...?
Why, it's almost like Lee and Weiner are two separate people!
As filthy, perverted Euro-trash it is not the act in itself that pisses me off. In fact I kind of find hard to trust powerful people who don't sleep around*. What bothers me is that this gives the pearl clutching, family values, "won't someone please think of the children" legion a super effective blanket of silly outrage with which to cover everything he politically stood for.
*Or at least attempt to.
So, former Rep. Chris Lee (a Republican) resigned almost immediately after a far less explicit shirtless photo and Weiner is refusing to do so? Doesn't anyone see the double standard at play here...?
The GOP shoot their officers that fail in the field. Lee was stuck in a "Rommel" situation.
As filthy, perverted Euro-trash it is not the act in itself that pisses me off. In fact I kind of find hard to trust powerful people who don't sleep around*. What bothers me is that this gives the pearl clutching, family values, "won't someone please think of the children" legion a super effective blanket of silly outrage with which to cover everything he politically stood for.
*Or at least attempt to.
BINGO!
I think that's the origin of the strong response we're going to see from Weiner's fellow Democrats as well. Until Breitbart's latest muckraking mission yielded fruit, the press was talking about the changes the GOP want to make to the social contract with the elderly. The Democrats were gearing up for the next round of elections with an issue that was working very, very well for them, and now their colleague's weakness for online dirty talk* has robbed the spotlight. When Congress resumes its session next week, Pelosi's going to have her knives sharpened and ready for this guy, if only for the crime of breaking his party's momentum.
*ETA: the fact that talking dirty to people online and photographing yourself in your underwear now qualifies as a sex scandal is itself a wonderful commentary on our country's sexual neuroses. Here's Glen Greenwald on the media spectacle as a symptom of our unhealthy relationship with sex.
Like everyone else, the cover up will doom him. Asking people to lie and probably using government resources to do it. He'll eventually have to resign.
I dunno if we absolutely have to bring out the moral brigade to kick Weiner's ass out of Congress. As sketchy as the whole Lewinsky fracas was, Clinton managed to stick through all of it. Honestly, I'm a little tired of all this sex scandal stuff. Even when it's a legit corruption issue like with Ensign or Edwards, I can't help but feel like it's a distraction from taxes, finances, health care, energy, environment, etc.
I always liked this guy. The tragedy is that his party REALLY needs people with that kind of passion and backbone, but the media frenzy and his stupid denials turned what was a weaksauce sexting scandal into a career ender. I fucking cringed when he apologized to that POS Brightbart. Weiner should go to CNN or MSNBC or something after the inevitable resignation (looks like it worked for Spitzer).
Also I know America probably needs a moratorium on hilarious "weiner" jokes, but I have to mention: was flipping channels and noticed a guy on Fox News reporting about the Weiner scandal. His name: ERIC SHAWN.
If they add John Boehner to the story, Fox News will have me laughing harder than a prank call to Moe's Tavern.
Sure, he can stick it out and refuse to go anywhere, but his credibility is shot. It will take like a decade or so for the mainstream media to finally forgot to keep hanging this albatross around his neck every time he tries to support an issue. Fox news on the other hand, much like the pachyderm they support, will NEVER forget, endlessly reminding their viewers what a total pervert they think this guy is.
Yes politicians are only human, yes they are capable of mistakes. The Hubris demonstrated in this entire moronic debacle undermines every issue Weiner supported. The reality of the situation is that we are a very hypocritically pious nation. As stupid as it is, that is not going to change anytime soon. Politicians absolutely need to be held to higher expectations, because they are standard bearers. They carry the hopes of everyone who wants fair treatment by our government. When they don't take the fucking job seriously, and risk jeopardizing everything they and their supporters have worked for, then they aren't fit for the office.
This whole thing really pisses me off because somehow, in my 36 years, I have managed to not twitter pictures of my dick, solicited anonymous gay sex in a busy airport restroom, boffed an intern on my desk, fathered numerous illegitimate children out of wedlock, gotten caught with enough cocaine to kill a bull elephant, or used public funds to bankroll my fleet of South American tranny hookers.
I would expect that the assholes I voted for would show at least that same amount of self control. We are the ones who have to face the inevitable consequences of shitty legislation getting passed when the few good men we hire to fight it prove they are not up to the job.
Republican blowhards, panicky Democranks, his own constituents, the President himself have weighed in....
Wait...ok...
Porn Star Calls For Weiner To Resign
Rep. Anthony Weiner is running out of allies. Even his stripper penpal is calling for his resignation.
Ginger Lee, a former porn actress who currently works as a "feature dancer" in nightclubs, said today that Weiner tried several times to engage her in sexual communication but that she never took the bait.
Lee held a press conference in New York City, accompanied by her lawyer Gloria Allred, who said Lee had "gone into hiding" after the Weiner scandal broke to avoid having to lie to protect the New York Democrat. The two said Weiner first contacted Lee this March, after she wrote flattering things about him on her blog.
Weiner is under intense pressure to quit after he admitted inappropriate online relationships with several women over the past three years. Many Democratic colleagues are hoping he resigns now that his wife, a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, has returned from an overseas trip.
Allred estimated that Weiner and Lee exchanged about 100 messages via email and Twitter from March until two weeks ago. She said the few that were sexual in nature were all sent by Weiner.
"I did not 'sext' him...any time he took it in that direction, I changed the subject," Lee said, reading from a prepared statement. The slight, young blond woman said that when she started interacting with Weiner "it was about politics."
According to Allred, Lee admired Weiner's positions on two issues of great importance to her: Planned Parenthood and health care. She said Weiner contacted Lee after she posted flattering descriptions of him on her blog.
Allred said Weiner repeatedly tried to change the direction and tone of their conversation to a more suggestive one.
Ok...Shit just got real! 
Seriously what the fuck kind of culture do we live in where this kind of nonsense is given even slightest bit of credence? I figure part of it is that, since the mid 80s, porn has slowly ascended (ass-ended?) into a kind of perverse legitimacy. It has lowered the standard of common class so low that any slat, cooze, tramp, stunt cock or chunnelvag has a defacto credibility.
So no one thinks a guy who " tried several times to engage her ( P0rn Star who is not his wife!) in sexual communication " might also be double dealing and double talking about policy? Really? He compartmentalized his mind that much? OK.
Given Weiner's liberal record it's entirely possible that he and his wife have some form of open relationship. And since his voting record matches his talk, accusations of 'double talk' are pretty ridiculous.
WHO FUCKING CARES WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS COCK OR WHERE HE PUTS IT?!? I'm soo fucking tired of this puritanical attitude that politicians have towards sex. All I care about is if the guy isn't a crook and is working to craft legislation that will improve the quality of life for the public. Otherwise, who gives a fucking shit other than bible beating scumbags?!
You know what makes this thing extra fun? The fact that Weiner's cock made ten times as much noise as someone leaving the commitee that oversaw the Comcast/NBC merger to go work at Comcast three months later. Making insane logical leaps applying someone being sexually weird/creepy/whatever to his politics is apparently easier and more fun than doing something about cases of self evident government corruption.
Was this corrupt panel member also a transvestite, stelios?
She kind of looked like one.
Alert the press!
Ok, everyone knew it was coming. Weiner's resigning. Who knows where the strongest pressure came from but he's throwing in the towel.
That said...What the fuck with the news channels!? The entire scope of news for a week has been between a cunt and a cock! And this morning? Weiner's thing is off the fucking scale. I'd love to believe that now that he's quitting that'll be the end of it. But I know better than that. What an embarrassing month it's been for the news networks. Ya know, the supposed 'journalists'.
