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post #1501 of 2004
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 Definitely the impending GDT-produced Incredible Hulk show (which will use the same CG model as Avengers

 

Wait, so is Ruffalo doing the TV show?
 

 

post #1502 of 2004

 

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The better question here is why wouldn't Fox consider combining some of the properties they own?  Or why not chuck Ghost Rider into a future Spidey flick?

 

Well the second Wolverine movie is going to be an adaption of the Claremont/Miller mini, which the Daredevil villains The Hand played a big part in so they might have something there. If they were smart they'd further tie it in by making Daredevil a mutant in the eventual reboot. That would make a lot more sense than the stupid radioactive waste into the eyes business in any case. 

post #1503 of 2004
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As for Ghost Rider?  I can't see Sony making a third one, so that will likely be the next property to return to Marvel.  Perhaps we can get a badass Midnight Sons or Tomb of Dracula flick/show at some point when that happens?


Presumably Marvel has the rights to Man-Thing back from Lion's Gate. And a Midnight Sons/Legion of Monsters picture without Man-Thing can fuck straight off.
post #1504 of 2004

Here's the thing about The Avengers: like so many aspects of Marvel, they are the way they are because of Jack Kirby, who was basically single-handedly generating the Marvel Universe in the early 60s. Even the characters he didn't technically create, like Iron Man, were still part of his and Stan Lee's brain trust...except Spider-Man. Spidey was Steve Ditko's. And whereas Kirby wanted to bring everything together and produce sprawling epics, Ditko was always a loner, and he made Spider-man into one as well. As with so many things about comics, Kirby didn't actually create the idea of crossovers and big multi-book events, but he took them to the next level. The Avengers was a natural outgrowth of that, but it was all Kirby's sandbox. Ditko kept Spidey off in his own little corner. And that does sort of make sense, since the Avengers are a little closer to the traditional superhero model, whereas Spider-man is always going to be an ambiguous figure...having him join The Avengers is too much like winning fame, success and universal love, which of course is something Spidey can't ever have. (And yes, I know, Spider-man did technically join the Avengers later on. It always felt wrong.)

post #1505 of 2004
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Wait, so is Ruffalo doing the TV show?
 

 


Nope.  He'll only be playing Banner/Hulk on film, unless something changes.  Personally, I think it'd be great if he did the show.

 



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Well the second Wolverine movie is going to be an adaption of the Claremont/Miller mini, which the Daredevil villains The Hand played a big part in so they might have something there. If they were smart they'd further tie it in by making Daredevil a mutant in the eventual reboot. That would make a lot more sense than the stupid radioactive waste into the eyes business in any case. 

 

That would be fun (using The Hand), but I doubt they'll do it.  As for David Slade's in-development Daredevil flick?  Apparently it's more of a loose sequel than a reboot, ala the relationship between Lee's Hulk and Leterrier's Incredible Hulk.  They'll be bypassing the origin and telling a different tale.  I believe Reborn is their main focus, but don't quote me on that.
 

 



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Presumably Marvel has the rights to Man-Thing back from Lion's Gate. And a Midnight Sons/Legion of Monsters picture without Man-Thing can fuck straight off.

 

Marvel does have the rights to Man-Thing.  Lionsgate no longer owns any Marvel properties.  Everyone who previously owned film rights to Marvel characters has lost them except for Sony and Fox.  So once Marvel gets the Ghost Rider rights back, we can easily have a Midnight Sons/Legion of Monsters movie with Blade, Ghost Rider, Man-Thing, Werewolf By Night, etc.
 

 

post #1506 of 2004

I would not mind seeing more Blade films.

post #1507 of 2004

 Attack of the Show announced that Ben Kingsley is in final talks to be the villain of Iron Man 3.

post #1508 of 2004

Yep, and he's not The Mandarin.  Mallen seems to be the name that a lot of fans are tossing about due to the Extremis connection, but who really knows.  Not only could he be anyone, but he might not even be the only villain.  Regardless, it shoots next month, so the cast should be filling out rather quickly.  Right now, the only "officially" confirmed cast members are Downey, Paltrow, Cheadle, and Johanssen.................although I'm sure Bettany will be back too.  Supposedly Black wrote Happy Hogan some nice scenes, but Favreau's return in the role will depend on scheduling.

post #1509 of 2004
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 Attack of the Show announced that Ben Kingsley is in final talks to be the villain of Iron Man 3.

As did this very site yesterday.

http://www.chud.com/community/t/142984/melies-to-square-off-with-tony-stark
 

 

post #1510 of 2004

Yeah I saw that after I wrote that.

post #1511 of 2004

Here's a new clip that shows the conversation between Tony and Loki:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d6ASh6vVj0k

post #1512 of 2004

That works so much better as a whole than the sum of its parts. For one, you can see that Tony is at least a little nervous there.

post #1513 of 2004

Oooh, I really liked that clip.  Smarm vs Smarm!

post #1514 of 2004

Love the Black Sabbath shirt and how the reference will be lost on 90% of the audience.

post #1515 of 2004

Is it wrong to want to write Stark/Loki slashfic now? I'm not even gay.

post #1516 of 2004

That worked really well for me.

post #1517 of 2004

 

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Is it wrong to want to write Stark/Loki slashfic now? I'm not even gay.


It is considered couth to wait for the film's release.

 

post #1518 of 2004


 

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2) Every few years, Marvel will have these BIG cross-title mega-events where a single storyline or crisis will occur that shakes up the Marvel universe for a time, thus selling a shitload of comics & often rebooting & refreshing entire character lines. Thanos was the central figure in one of these major Marvel mythos shake-ups 20 years ago in "The Infinity Gauntlet" crossover event:

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Thanos is the guy in the middle. In the storyline, Thanos acquired a mystical Marvel macguffin that gave him the power to kill HALF the population of the entire universe. In the Marvel mythology, Thanos is a bad guy with BIG plans. So when we hear that THANOS might be realized on the big screen in an Avengers movie, that means that Marvel Films are about go BIG in way we can barely imagine.


I thought we were going to be spoiler-tagging any discussion of Thanos, but oh well.

Thanos is my ALL-TIME favorite Marvel character. The whole interest in killing half the universe is because in the Marvel universe, Death is a living entity, and Thanos is MADLY IN LOVE WITH HER. Hence, his desire to appease her, usually by ending all life in the universe. In fact, I do believe he's already done this once or twice, though something in his heart would make him revert everything back to form. He's by far the most interesting and complex of Marvel's celestial beings.
 

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Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, and the Thing have all been Avengers at one time or another. So has Daredevil. The X-Men franchise's Beast has been an off and on Avenger for ages, and Wolverine is an Avenger in comics being published now.
Hulk archenemy General Thaddeus Ross is currently an Avenger, in his capacity as the Red Hulk. Hulk sidekick Rick Jones, who has yet to appear in film or non-cartoon television, has played crucial roles in some classic Avengers stories in addition to sidekicking for Captain America for a time.
In addition to Spider-Man, who is currently an Avenger in print, Spider-Man's nemesis, Sandman, was a probationary member during a reformed period that didn't last.
And that's just Avengers who have been in films recently. So it's a versatile franchise. Me, I want Jim Hammond to come back from his cameo appearance in Cap's first film before this huge crazy series of films is done. the scene where Chris Evans meets him would be cute.


To re-iterate what everyone's said, yes, everyone in the Marvel universe has been an Avenger at one point or another. It's like Marvel's varsity team (Avengers West Coast/Force Works is probably JV)
 

I know there were some bullshit reasons for Marvel to torpedo a proposed Black Avengers lineup in the comics, but how glorious would that be onscreen? Marvel has MORE than enough cinematic black characters that have been Avengers and could form an amazing team.

 

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It will be interesting how they build to Thanos and any sort of cube/gem/gauntlet type story.  It seems to me the entire reason for injecting Thanos and an unlimited power macguffin is to provide an easy means of superseding all their previous characters and efforts at cosmic scale danger.  In the comics, you've got a Universe populated with a hierarchy of gods and demigods over decades of writing, but really almost none of that hierarchy has been established in the films.   And once you get to that level, there's such a disparity between your villain and the heroes that both the confrontations and the final resolution can only be anticlimactic.  The present Avengers film universe just seems awfully small to bother throwing Thanos into the mix so quickly.


Yeah, this is where I would think the Nine Realms come in. Asgard has already been shown to house the Infinity Gauntlet.

To non-fans, this is essentially a POWERGLOVE that harnesses the power of the nine Infinity Gems which control the universe. The gems are located in various corners of known existence, and each has a protector - together they form the Infinity Watch. I believe Thanos is actually a guardian of one of these gems, though he has been kept from the Gauntlet by a number of forces.

 

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Blade (New Line... do they still exist?), X-Men (Fox), Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer and Galactus (a villain)  (Fox), Daredevil (Fox), Ghost Rider (Columbia)... you see the problem.
 

 New Line, which no longer has Blade, does indeed still exists, though it's more of a subsidiary of Warner Bros. They haven't yet disclosed what to do with the company, though they downsized massively in recent years. Most current New Line releases were merely in development before the company went under.

 

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The better question here is why wouldn't Fox consider combining some of the properties they own?  Or why not chuck Ghost Rider into a future Spidey flick?


Neveldine and Taylor recently talked about Ghost Rider and they said adding him to the Spider-Man would be slightly like damaging the golden goose. Though it does seem said goose is about to be damaged a whole lot more this summer with marc Webb's reboot, I still don't think we'll be seeing GR again, even if that second film introduced Danny Ketch as a young boy, meaning we could be five years away from a Twilight-themed relaunch of the character.
 

 

post #1519 of 2004

Something about RDJ's tone and delivery - almost like he is aping someone, but I can't quite place it. He's speaking almost in a syncopated way - I keep hearing George Clooney. It's that "Not a good plan" line though. It's very reminiscent of somebody.

 

Clip works much better than the edited versions released before.

 

 

post #1520 of 2004
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Something about RDJ's tone and delivery - almost like he is aping someone, but I can't quite place it. He's speaking almost in a syncopated way - I keep hearing George Clooney.

 

Clip works much better than the edited versions released before.



Iambic pentameter?

post #1521 of 2004

"Not a great plan" screams Shatner to me.

post #1522 of 2004
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"Not a great plan" screams Shatner to me.


"Why... does the God of Mischief... need a starship?"


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post #1523 of 2004

Where was Tony's glowing chest thingy?

post #1524 of 2004

Nanos!

post #1525 of 2004

Eek, Devin just Tweeted: "I should have rewatched IRON MAN 2 and THOR to temper my expectations for THE AVENGERS."

post #1526 of 2004

Oh NO!

post #1527 of 2004

Why oh no?  They haven't seen it yet.

post #1528 of 2004

Oh, I assumed that was his response after seeing the film at some screening.  Is that not what it was?

post #1529 of 2004

Judging from the twitter-verse, LA screening is tonight.  Beaks and Devin were just ripping on Thor and IM2.

post #1530 of 2004

That's SO DEVIN~!!!

post #1531 of 2004

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post #1532 of 2004

Yeah, Devin's seeing the film at the premiere.  So he won't be out until 10-ish L.A. time.

post #1533 of 2004
Thread Starter 

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/04/11/avengers-premiere-robert-downey-jr-scarlett-johansson-joss-whedon/

 

Nooj, I thought the same but some snarky response from beaks confirmed they didn't watch it yet. Show begins in less than an hour.

post #1534 of 2004

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"Not a great plan" screams Shatner to me.



I thought the same thing when that line came out of RDJ's mouth.

 

I prefer this Thor tv spot. "You people are so PET-TEE!"

Don't know what's going on with the camera during that line, though. Maybe Black Widow is recording him on her cellphone.

 

 

post #1535 of 2004

Oh, I hope the writing and characters are good in this, because that is the flattest, ugliest blockbuster I've seen in a long time. So bland. Thank god for the wide CGI destruction. And that canted Thor hand held shot. Eugh.

post #1536 of 2004
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Oh, I hope the writing and characters are good in this, because that is the flattest, ugliest blockbuster I've seen in a long time. So bland. 


 

So it's not just being a Whedon hater. Thank Cthulhu. I actually do want this to be good, but sheesh, the visual approach shown so far is so...90s. 90s cookie cutter blockbuster at that. 

post #1537 of 2004

Why did they let Whedon direct it and not just write it?  He doesn't scream cinematic when it comes to directing, and this is Marvel's ultimate trophy wife of a film.  Bizarre.

post #1538 of 2004

I don't understand this. I was in defense of the look of this movie as being bright and colourful, like a cartoon, which I stand by, but fuck sake - that is some seriously weird composition and lighting choices. And to then choose those shots for the tv spots? My god.

post #1539 of 2004

I really hope no lighting choices were made in deference to 3D. Few people are more excited for this movie than me, but I can't disagree with any qualms about the look of the thing so far.

post #1540 of 2004

If Whedon has an eye, it hasn't fallen a piece of film since Super Force and Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future.

post #1541 of 2004

Well we know the smaller aspect ratio was a choice to make it more IMAX-y without actually shooting in IMAX, so the thing being overlit might also be due to this being in 3D without actually shooting in 3D.

post #1542 of 2004

That's more than a bit of over lighting. It's not even that though, its the horrible composition, the lack of anything iconic when you're working with these costumes. Jesus. The trailers should be filled with money shots of heroes posing. None. 

post #1543 of 2004

I'm a Whedon geek, but the movie certainly looks pretty flat.  It's obviously unfair to judge based on trailers, but Serenity and a number of Buffy/Angel/Firefly episodes looked more 'cinematic' than this.

post #1544 of 2004

A bit of fanwank, but I think The Avengers would've been perfect for Bay to direct from a Whedon script.  Bay is one of the most cinematic action directors working and he's great when he has a good script.

post #1545 of 2004

Please tell me you're joking.  Bay's sensibilities are so far removed from how Whedon writes that it's not even funny.  That Black Widow clip?  I can imagine the camera spinning around her in that scene now, with her jiggling chest more pronounced.  It makes me feel sick.

 

I also don't think that Bay is a good action director, despite what even some of his critics concede...so if you want to count my bias against me, that would be understandable.  

 

Blah.  Bay would have been such a generic, uninspired choice for this, and his version of the team probably would have been insufferable, clashing with Whedon's writing at every turn.

post #1546 of 2004

Judging from the 2nd unit, he already did. Seriously, the action stuff in this looks fine. It's when it's anything else it looks either flat, dull, or downright weird.

post #1547 of 2004

BAYVENGERS:  See the Hulk toss a S.H.I.E.L.D. operative out of a plane!  IN MORE ORANGE AND TEAL!

 

I also agree that the action looks fine, very promising in some places even, and shots like Hulk catching Iron Man mid-fall have a suitably thrilling quality to them.  There is a certain flatness in some scenes, which has been frequent enough to give me pause, but I doubt Bay would have made those look any better...he's no good stylistically when his camera moves outside of the action, betraying the weaknesses in his aesthetic.  I'll take Whedon any day of the week, and hope that the final picture works.

post #1548 of 2004
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I also don't think that Bay is a good action director, despite what even some of his critics concede...so if you want to count my bias against me, that would be understandable.  


Done.

 

post #1549 of 2004

Since this is a premier and not a screening, will our people on the inside be embargoed or can we expect some feedback when they're released?

post #1550 of 2004
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That works so much better as a whole than the sum of its parts. For one, you can see that Tony is at least a little nervous there.



I hope there's a lot more of that nervousness shown.  His swagger might work in his own film where he's at the top of the food chain, but in a film with demigods and alien invasions, that sort of nonchalance will probably do a disservice to Hemsworth/Hiddleston who need to wear silly costumes while trying to emanate some level of gravitas.  Every time I see RDJ in any of these clips, the tension just seems to evaporate for me.

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