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post #1951 of 2005

Yeah my guess is Walt's end is going to be more pitiful than anything. Having lost everything, maybe he'll die in a random lab fire out in the desert in some run-down camper.

post #1952 of 2005

It might be a bit on the nose, but I can see Walt ending up just working in the car wash.  Right back in the place he hated back when the show started.

post #1953 of 2005

How does that work, though? Why wouldn't Walt just go right back to making meth? I can't see a way it makes sense from a character perspective, even if he lost his entire family. Hell, if anything, losing Skylar and the kids would probably just ramp up his death wish and guarantee he dies in a blaze of glory, rather than causing him to revert to a law-abiding citizen. The whole essence of Walt at this point is that he never wants to go back to being a schmuck, and he's more than willing to sacrifice his humanity for that. I don't think there's anything that can happen at this point that'll make him learn his lesson.

post #1954 of 2005
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How does that work, though? Why wouldn't Walt just go right back to making meth? I can't see a way it makes sense from a character perspective, even if he lost his entire family. Hell, if anything, losing Skylar and the kids would probably just ramp up his death wish and guarantee he dies in a blaze of glory, rather than causing him to revert to a law-abiding citizen. The whole essence of Walt at this point is that he never wants to go back to being a schmuck, and he's more than willing to sacrifice his humanity for that. I don't think there's anything that can happen at this point that'll make him learn his lesson.


 

True, but I would have said the same thing about Vic Mackey until the excellent series conclusion blindsided me. I have faith Gilligan could figure out a way to keep Walt alive, out of prison, and completely neutered all at once. How, I don't dare to speculate. 

 

But, I think Walt is bound for death and anything else would be thematically inconsistent. 

post #1955 of 2005
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It might be a bit on the nose, but I can see Walt ending up just working in the car wash.  Right back in the place he hated back when the show started.



That will happen, but I bet not at the ending. In fact, I think it might be where we start season five.

post #1956 of 2005


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It might be a bit on the nose, but I can see Walt ending up just working in the car wash.  Right back in the place he hated back when the show started.


The car wash was his second job. Surely the bitter full circle ending would be Walt going back to teaching chemistry to a bunch of couldn't-give-a-shit high schoolers.

 


 

 

post #1957 of 2005

Walt could be the new Hector.  Cancer free but wheelchair bound and unable to get his body to do what he wants.

 

Although I think early onset dementia would be more neutering to him.  Walt's brain failing him would be the most emasculating thing to him I think.

post #1958 of 2005
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Walt could be the new Hector.  Cancer free but wheelchair bound and unable to get his body to do what he wants.

I don't really see Gilligan and co. having yet another character who is unable to walk.

Predictions in this show are really fun. Some of us may be correct in the end, but we have pretty much a zero chance of guessing how things will get to that point.
 

 

post #1959 of 2005
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The car wash was his second job. Surely the bitter full circle ending would be Walt going back to teaching chemistry to a bunch of couldn't-give-a-shit high schoolers.

 


Except that Walt is good at and genuinely enjoys chemistry, so there's at least the potential for finding some satisfaction there.  Waxing strangers' Jettas, not so much.

 

But regardless, I don't think we'll be getting a Goodfellas ending for Walt.  For starters, he has a terminal disease which pretty much robs that conclusion of all of its weight, and he's already gotten a reprieve, I don't see them copping out on such a key piece of the premise entirely. 

 

For another, the show likes to go big and operatic when it comes to knocking characters off, and while I can see them going against the grain for their main character for the sake of unpredictability or not granting the show's "true" villain a grand send-off, they could easily go the other way.

 

For yet another, it would draw comparisons to one or two other cable dramas which it's always lived in the shadows of, and I think Gilligan and co. will want to leave a more distinctive stamp on the landscape.

 

post #1960 of 2005

How could Walt ever find satisfaction teaching chemistry again, after experiencing the thrilling highs of his Heisenberg work? The chemistry is a part of him but at this point I think it's clear that it's not enough to bring him joy. Sending Walt back to the lab but simultaneously removing his ability to Break Bad and feel truly alive, has a slap in the face aspect that car wash work would be missing. I mean, there are a hundred other menial humiliating jobs a brilliant guy like Walt could end up doing e.g. pizza delivery, Walmart greeter, etc. But what's going to really get him where it hurts?

 

But yeah, Walt will die at the end of all this.

post #1961 of 2005
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How could Walt ever find satisfaction teaching chemistry again, after experiencing the thrilling highs of his Heisenberg work? The chemistry is a part of him but at this point I think it's clear that it's not enough to bring him joy. Sending Walt back to the lab but simultaneously removing his ability to Break Bad and feel truly alive, has a slap in the face aspect that car wash work would be missing. I mean, there are a hundred other menial humiliating jobs a brilliant guy like Walt could end up doing e.g. pizza delivery, Walmart greeter, etc. But what's going to really get him where it hurts?

 

But yeah, Walt will die at the end of all this.


Working in the classroom was frustrating for Walt.  Working at the carwash was humiliating. 

 

post #1962 of 2005

:::cue Star Trek fight music and Hank's two handed punch::::

post #1963 of 2005

I'm somehow turning "Waxing strangers' Jettas" into a sexual euphemism.

post #1964 of 2005

I sort of wish Season 4 was the final ending. I may have said this before but it bears repeating: we will NEVER see ANY of these characters as happy or triumphant again, ever. And that's depressing. 

post #1965 of 2005

Because they don't DESERVE a happy ending.  Walt, Skyler, Jesse: these people deserve only the most downer of endings for their actions.

 

Here's my ending theories:

 

Walt goes to jail.  No blaze of glory, no perfect moment: just orange jumpsuits and bars.  The cancer takes him in his cell.

Jesse either dies or turns states evidence against Walt.

Hank gets to bust Walt.  He has to be the one to do it.

Skyler gets jail for conspiracy.

Hank Jr and the baby go to live with Hank and Marie.

Mike demotes himself from being a badass cleaner grandpa to just being a grandpa.

Saul continues to be awesome forever.

post #1966 of 2005

Walt continues to build his empire, and grow stronger, as it drains Jesse's morality, and makes that character weaker. As much as it has been shown that Walt cares about Jesse, he has been shown to have few compunctions about using and hurting Jesse, when it benefits himself. When Walt has left Jesse with no relationships other than with "Mr. White", with no independence, with no self-worth, and with no scruples left, I imagine Walt will either turn Jesse in or kill him, to save himself.

Also, I imagine to truly cement Walt as the villain the series seems to be determined to set him up to be, he will, in some way, sacrifice his family for his drug empire. Whether this means letting them die, or letting Skyler go to jail, while he remains at large, I can't see it ending other way (though I'm sure it will)!

post #1967 of 2005

I think it would be funny if Skylar goes to jail -not for the meth laundering- but for Breaking Beneke's books.

post #1968 of 2005

Walt's sick again, and he will crash and burn rather than let it take him.  That's the extent of my speculation, and anything else I want to be surprised by.

post #1969 of 2005

A couple of days ago, Vince Gilligan said on record that he still has no idea where he wants to take the final season. Not one idea has popped in his head, but I like to think that he's just being coy for the reporters and has huge blueprints with every narrative schematic plotted out. 

post #1970 of 2005

The truth is probably somewhere in between. He's almost certainly exaggerating about not knowing where he's going, but I'm sure he's been wanting to leave it loose. Lord knows even if he really didn't have anything planned out he's put lots of pieces in play that almost can't fail to provide some good drama.

post #1971 of 2005

FYI

 

Best of 2011 (Behind the Scenes): 'Breaking Bad' creator Vince Gilligan talks about That Scene from the season finale

 

 

http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/18/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-season-finale/

 

post #1972 of 2005

First Breaking Bad thread I found.  Not up to season 4, so not looking at the above post, but I can not beleive how late to the party I am concerning this show.  I've seen bit and pieces on AMC throughout the years, but never thought much of it.

 

Watched the Pilot episode a few weeks back, good, but it didn't "hook" me.  Gave it another shot this past Saturday, I'm now midway though season 3.  This has got to be my favorite TV that is still airing. 

 

Saturday, I got all the way to the episode "Peakaboo"... and I was heartbroken after watching that episode... I actually had trouble sleeping, thinking about that little boy, and the show of Spooge and Skank.  My God, what a great fucking show... I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, but man... WOW.

 

Now, I somehow have to find season 4.  Hoping it hits Netflix soon, because I am hooked.. BIG TIME.

post #1973 of 2005

Just happened to be at imdb for something else, and I stumbled across the Breaking Bad page. Out of boredom, I started to read the reviews and now I want to put a gun in my mouth out of despair for the human race. I'm all for variety of opinions, but some of the negative reviews of this show seem like they're written by pod people. To say nothing of the moral guardians who lambaste it for "glamorizing the drug trade" and indulging in moral relativism re: Walter, which makes me wonder exactly how blatantly you have to spell out something before people get it. Even some of the glowing reviews are depressing, like the guy who claims that all TV is garbage and that as a result he only watches PBS and the History Channel (?!?) and that the only fictional programs he enjoyed in recent years, prior to Breaking Bad, were The Sopranos and Family Guy (?!?!?) which is like a hamfisted parody of a dumb guy pretending to be smart.

post #1974 of 2005

I'm always amazed how much energy people invest in making sure everyone understands that their anonymous Internet identity is smart and awesome. It's like they we haven't figured out how the Internet works.

 

post #1975 of 2005
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First Breaking Bad thread I found.  Not up to season 4, so not looking at the above post, but I can not beleive how late to the party I am concerning this show.  I've seen bit and pieces on AMC throughout the years, but never thought much of it.

 

Watched the Pilot episode a few weeks back, good, but it didn't "hook" me.  Gave it another shot this past Saturday, I'm now midway though season 3.  This has got to be my favorite TV that is still airing. 

 

Saturday, I got all the way to the episode "Peakaboo"... and I was heartbroken after watching that episode... I actually had trouble sleeping, thinking about that little boy, and the show of Spooge and Skank.  My God, what a great fucking show... I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, but man... WOW.

 

Now, I somehow have to find season 4.  Hoping it hits Netflix soon, because I am hooked.. BIG TIME,

Amazon Unbox; I don't have cable so I'm limited but I also feel good directly (not really, but more so that with a cable package) supporting a quality show.  I believe it's on Itunes as well.  Don't bother waiting for the DVDs, they've historically taken an ungodly amount of time to drop.

 

post #1976 of 2005

All inanimate object POV shots in one gorgeous compilation. 

post #1977 of 2005

I think Walt's going to end like he began in season 1. Slowly dying while working like a chump at a car wash. I've spoken with some people who don't think it's "enough" for everything he's done, but to him it's the worst kind of punishment imaginable. I'm sure it'll be something else, though.

 

I'm new to this thread to a degree, but I just wanted to say that the end of the Crawl Space episode just might be my favorite TV moment...ever. Just...fucking chills even when I simply think of that scene. His laugh. That shot. Perfection.

post #1978 of 2005

The reason I'm thinking Walt goes down in a gigantic blaze of glory is that, narratively, I don't think he's capable of going back to zero. I do think Season Five might start with him just a regular shnook again. 

 

And beyond that, in his own way, Walt's already won. He broke out of the stifling pattern that made him hate himself so much, so I'm not sure what they can do to him that would make him feel sorry, or whatever. It's why I'm hoping for a real cackling, live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword inferno of an ending.

post #1979 of 2005

Based on Gilligan's Chips/Scarface thesis, and the things that Walt has done (not to mention his cancer), I don't see any way that Walt survives the show.

 

As for Season Five speculation, Walt may be trying to lay low at the start, but I see his hubris taking over again within 3 episodes. Part of me thinks Hank will find out about Walt very early on in the season, since it seems that he, Jesse and Mike will be Walt's antagonists in the final season.

 

I also agree with Bailey. If not for the shot of a freshly 'sploded Gus adjusting his tie in the hospital hallway, the final scene of Crawl Space would be the TV moment of 2011.

post #1980 of 2005

Another thing to consider about whats going to happen next is the empire of thugs that are going to be without shipments of blue sky now that Gus is out of commission. Hopefully they tear up ABQ trying to figure out who Heisenberg is. 

post #1981 of 2005

I'm personally interested in Madrigal Electromotive, the shadowy German corporation funding Gus. They laid the groundwork ever since the Pollos commercial in Season 3 and continued to hint at its existence since. I think some Nefarious Aryan Oligrarchs are going to show up on Walt's doorstep, while on the other end an army of mid-level cartel thugs scramble to fill the vacuum Gus left. 

 

I think rather than lie low, Walt and Jesse will be attempting to orchestrate all this mayhem to their advantage. Should be one Hell of a final season. 

post #1982 of 2005

Cranston/Kier showdown!

post #1983 of 2005

Not only do I want Walter White dead, but I also want Albuquerque in ashes!

post #1984 of 2005

Possible endings:

 

Jesse finds out about Brock (or Jane) and kills Walt.  Probably with the ricin cigarette.  Or turns state's evidence, sending him to prison.  This would work from a "cathartic" perspective, as Walt would finally get his comeuppance for some of the dastardly things he's done, primarily to Jesse.

 

Walt sacrifices Jesse in order to save himself, either killing him, ordering (or somehow facilitating) his death, or framing him and sending him to prison in Walt's place.  This would work from a "Walt's ultimate fall to the dark side" perspective, because while he's profoundly betrayed Jesse on any number of occasions, he's always shown SOME level of loyalty to his partner as well.  This would represent the ultimate severing of that bond.

 

Walt ends up a schmuck, either teaching again or working at the car wash, which works because it brings the narrative full circle, leaving Walt approximately where he was at the beginning, and also has an air of comeuppance to it as well, as at this point Walt's worst nightmare would be going back to the ineffectual sort of existence he once had.

 

Walt ends up on top, but loses his family in the process.  A "these are the true wages of sin" kind of thing.

 

Regardless of the details, I think the eventual ending will include elements of one or more of these theories.  And any one of them, in its way, I think, would be a "fair" ending.  Which is not to say that any one of them will satisfy everyone (or even anyone, for that matter).

 

My own pet theory is that somehow the ricin will come back into play, because Walt has been plotting to kill SOMEONE with the stuff since the beginning of season 2, and it never ends up happening.  It's like the ultimate Chekov's Gun of the series... the damn thing has to fire at some point.

post #1985 of 2005

All this speculation leaves out the most important part: Just what is the eventual fate of Badger and Skinny Pete? 

post #1986 of 2005
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All this speculation leaves out the most important part: Just what is the eventual fate of Badger and Skinny Pete? 



spin off situation-comedy series.

post #1987 of 2005
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All this speculation leaves out the most important part: Just what is the eventual fate of Badger and Skinny Pete? 

All I know is they better be back this season.
 

 

post #1988 of 2005
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The reason I'm thinking Walt goes down in a gigantic blaze of glory is that, narratively, I don't think he's capable of going back to zero. I do think Season Five might start with him just a regular shnook again. 

 

And beyond that, in his own way, Walt's already won. He broke out of the stifling pattern that made him hate himself so much, so I'm not sure what they can do to him that would make him feel sorry, or whatever. It's why I'm hoping for a real cackling, live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword inferno of an ending.


yeah, a "Top of the world ma, TOP OF THE WORLD" style ending would be mint.

 

post #1989 of 2005

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Not only do I want Walter White dead, but I also want Albuquerque in ashes!


So when Albuqurque is...ashes. He has your permission...

Nah, too easy.

 

post #1990 of 2005

Walt will sacrifice himself for Jesse, while at the same time somehow dooming Walt Jr.

OR

Walt will sacrifice himself for Walt Jr., somehow dooming Jesse

post #1991 of 2005

Pretty neat vid

 

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6701398/breaking-bad-rpg

 

  • Ask for help
  • Accept fate
  • Cook meth
post #1992 of 2005
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Pretty neat vid

 

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6701398/breaking-bad-rpg

 

  • Ask for help
  • Accept fate
  • Cook meth


that's better than pretty neat :)

 

So many things to like about that!

 

post #1993 of 2005

 

Originally Posted by Syd View Post

All this speculation leaves out the most important part: Just what is the eventual fate of Badger and Skinny Pete? 


Having worked together to get sober, they realize their true feelings for each other and move to Vermont to get married. They end up being the only characters to survive the series. Except Huell, who engineers the death of everyone else through his ingenious Machiavellian machinations.

post #1994 of 2005
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Pretty neat vid

 

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6701398/breaking-bad-rpg

 

  • Ask for help
  • Accept fate
  • Cook meth


I wasn't really paying attention at the end but watched it again.

 

Walt Jr's Quest is priceless :)

 

post #1995 of 2005

USE: H. SALAMANCA

 

Ding Ding Ding

 

BOOM

post #1996 of 2005

Holy shit, GALE HUNT! wrecked me.

post #1997 of 2005

WALTeR

 

JESSe

 

TUCo

 

HANK

 

 

Also:

 

COOK FOR GUS?

 

---> YES

 

       NO

 

post #1998 of 2005

Not only did they capture the "long ass tutorial that we all skip," but within that tutorial is all the moral consequences Walt would have to face! Oh, brilliant, just brilliant. 

 

 

post #1999 of 2005

Because I can no longer read such stories and not think Heisenberg had something to do with it:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/world/americas/mexico-seizes-15-tons-of-methamphetamine.html

post #2000 of 2005
Thread Starter 
You too eh Judd?

My first thought on seeing that story was "well that's what happens when you have a power vacuum like the one Gus then Walt created.

Bloody insidious program!
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