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post #101 of 260

Darkmite8,  I Hunger, should have been one of...Parallax's Lines!  Sinistar is just an...Awesome Space Shooter!

 

Nick Nunziata, I also...Loved, playing...Sinistar!   My favorite, Videogame Emporium was...Arnie's Place Arcade in Westport, CT, in the 80's!  

post #102 of 260

What a boring movie. I thought I was reading internet hyperbole, but the Corps really play no part in this movie! Nice!

 

Biggest laugh came after Blake Lively's desperate attempt to save Hal by programming a jet to shoot missiles at Parallax.

 

*quickly grabs the rings and tosses it to Hal*

 

 

........................

 

 

WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE


Edited by wadew1 - 6/18/11 at 12:08pm
post #103 of 260
Boring pointless movie. I knew nothing about Green Lantern before going in and have no desire to rectify that after.

His triumphal final use of the oath might have had more impact had we not heard it at the end of every fucking trailer.

And I'm so sick of "humanity is awesome" and being given no reason why. This ranges from humanity apparently being the only sentient beings to, say, think of jumping from above to capture a big space dragon, or luring another big beastie near a large gravitational object. Yay humanity.

The more I think about this flick the less I like it.

Another po faced DC hero. Yawn.
post #104 of 260
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post

And I'm so sick of "humanity is awesome" and being given no reason why. This ranges from humanity apparently being the only sentient beings to, say, think of jumping from above to capture a big space dragon,


Hahahahaha... so true.

 

post #105 of 260

Hector Hammond WAS pointless, but totally worth it for that scene where Carol gives him a hug and he takes a big long sniff of her hair.....I was the only one in the theatre who laughed at that.

post #106 of 260

I feel sorry for guys like Renn, Nick, etc. who have had to find it within themselves to actually write something about this movie. The thing's so mediocre and unremarkable that I'm having a hard time forming an opinion on it at all. I'm just totally indifferent to its existence and I'm reluctant to waste any time struggling to think of what to say about it.

 

It feels like what you would have if you took a small chunk of every superhero movie ever made and arranged them together into something that outwardly appeared at least synthetically different, but was devoid of all the heart you typically find in even the worst of comic book films and possessed no real uniqueness or character of its own. It almost makes me ashamed to like superhero movies, not because it's terrible but because it removes all the emotional content of films like Thor and Spider-Man and stands as an example of what they would be without it -- simple-minded light shows for the fifteen-and-under crowd. Without the underlying relatable, intelligent, and human story, all that's left is the cartoony and childish dimension of whiz-bang action heroics with no purpose, and it truly makes me realize how simply FOR-KIDS these things are at their core. And dare I say, I'm a little embarrassed.

post #107 of 260

I liked it but yeah it does have problems.

 

And I think part of why I like it is because I think there is a really good movie in there somewhere. They just tried to cram too much into a short running time. It's got 3 different threads (4 if you count the Sinestro thing during the credits) that could all be seperate movies.

 

I thought Reynolds was good altough he seemed a bit restrained. And the action sequences were top notch, really liked the car on the track. And I thought...mask aside...the effects were pretty good.

 

Cut out Hammond and make Parralax more menacing (I mean actually show him destroy a world in addition to killing the Lanterns) and I think we'd have something really great.

 

post #108 of 260

Capone's take on this.

 

I agree with him mostly. The Space scenes on Oa are the best things in the movie. But everything else is mostly average and not very involving. Didn't have a problem with Reynolds though. Blake Lively is a pretty chick but bland. Not very distinctive as a character. Though i think she does resemble the Carol from the comics.

 

 Quote:Capone

 "I didn't hate it." Gee, aren't you generous. Guess what folks, you aren't supposed to hate it. This statement is not a compliment. The mission of the filmmakers was not to construct a movie that you didn't hate. You either liked it or you didn't.
 
"It good for what it is." Wait a second. If the movie is shit, are you saying it's good shit? In certain circles, this may be considered the ultimate slam on any movie. What I think this also empty statement is that the film isn't designated High Art, so it should be given a pass for its shortcomings on elements like plot and character development. My response: Bullshit. Every movie should strive to be great, and just because a film is designated a summer blockbuster or somehow feeding into the pop culture doesn't mean it gets to skate by in areas that wouldn't have cost any extra money to get right.
 

 

 

post #109 of 260

Well, fuck me for saying this, but I liked it. Not in a "I didn't hate it" way or  a "It's good for what it is" way, either. I genuinely liked it.

 

I liked Ryan, I liked Blake, I LOVED Mark Strong and Sarsgaard. Tim Robbins was a great leech, and despite a misstep here and there, I thought it was overall above average and a pretty decent flick.

 

Soooo, yeah, there's my hat in the ring.

post #110 of 260

I heard GL only made 21 mil on Friday. That's not an encouraging number.

post #111 of 260

BTSMGL, I am glad there is another chewer that...Enjoyed Green Lantern!  I think Green Lantern is...Awe-Inspiring and Awesome!

post #112 of 260

What a lazy, lazy movie. Not a single thing worked for me. Reynolds was doing his usual shtick, the story was muddled while being mundane at the same time, and the action was boring. It's hard to believe that the same guy who directed Casino Royale and The Mask of Zorro also made this disaster. Although, he's also responsible for The Legend of Zorro and Vertical Limit so....

 

 

post #113 of 260

Haven't been able to see this yet, but from everyone's reactions they should have just went ahead and made Green Lantern 2. The most fun, interesting stuff about the comic has pretty much absolutely nothing to do with the origin story.

post #114 of 260

Disappointed big time. Didn't hate it and didn't like it its merely ok. Obviously (Now that I have seen it) that Campbell and Reynolds weren't right for the material. Campbell plays it way too serious and misses the fun in a huge way. Reynolds is a Tony Stark wannabe it just doesn't work. It seemed to me like he was forcing a lot and the mopey stuff was douche city.

 

I think Warner Brothers made a huge mistake by not hiring Bruce Timm and the group that made the fantastic animated Green Lantern First Flight film. That one nails the spirit and fun of the comic 100%. The writing is on the wall for that and why not bring in those people to oversee this?

 

Baffling this whole thing is baffling. It should have worked and been great I just can't believe how much of this is inert.

 

I think DC has a lot of great characters and this is not how you execute those characters on screen.

post #115 of 260

I enjoyed this movie.  I'm not sure why the online critics in particular are obliterating this thing.  I hope they get a chance to make a sequel because the pieces are in place to make something huge.

post #116 of 260

So now it's only a matter of days untill Warner Bros. calls Nolan to offer him complete control over ALL DC movie properties..

post #117 of 260



 

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I enjoyed this movie.  I'm not sure why the online critics in particular are obliterating this thing.  I hope they get a chance to make a sequel because the pieces are in place to make something huge.



Because it's badly written,  wastes a huge amount of potential, has mixed performances, and was dully directed?

Every time a movie with a geek fanbase flops, you hear this "All the pieces are in place" bullshit from the Faithful.

Of course if you really want to see GL fans in denial, check out this IMDB thread, where they resort to Conspiracy Theories to explain the reception of GL.

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1133985/board/nest/184344799?p=1

 

post #118 of 260



 

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So now it's only a matter of days untill Warner Bros. calls Nolan to offer him complete control over ALL DC movie properties..


I would nominate Bruce Timm for that position;Timm can do both dark /moody and exhilerating/fun, and although I love what Nolan has done with Batman, I am not sure he can do a super hero which calls for a lighter touch.

And Green Lantern:First Flight was everything that the GL movie should have been......

 

post #119 of 260
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I would nominate Bruce Timm for that position;Timm can do both dark /moody and exhilerating/fun, and although I love what Nolan has done with Batman, I am not sure he can do a super hero which calls for a lighter touch.


I've been beating this drum on these boards for ages. If WB had half a brain, they'd hire on Timm as DC's Kevin Fiege/Avi Arad to oversee these live-action franchise builders. Instead, WB just spent 1/3 of a billion dollars to repeat pretty much every mistake that was made with Singer's Superman Returns. Take just about any 22 minute entry from a Timm produced series & you'll find compelling stories, really well-considered characters, & tons of PG action that continues to set a standard for super-hero animated fare. Too bad WB enjoys losing money so much.

post #120 of 260

But you are using logic when you want Bruce Timm in head everything. But I agree, Timm would be the best choice. It kind of seems like many at Warners Bros. pays no attention to the amazing animated films they are producing.

post #121 of 260

I dunno how Timm would get along in the world of "live-action" filmmaking but Emerald Knights does do GL myth-building and scope better than the movie.

post #122 of 260
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post


Because it's badly written,  wastes a huge amount of potential, has mixed performances, and was dully directed?

Every time a movie with a geek fanbase flops, you hear this "All the pieces are in place" bullshit from the Faithful.

 


Disagreement does not denial make.  I didn't see the 4/10 movie that seemed to be the consensus, I saw a fun 7/10.  

 

There were holes, which I get the feeling were the result of what appear to be 15 minutes of cutting from the run time.  I can't speak to that as I haven't read the original script that everyone else read.  It seems like there had to have been at least some OA time cut at some point in the production process.  Kilowogs "Don't I know how to train em!?" seemed rather unearned since he seemed to spend 5 minutes with Jordan before getting kicked in the nuts.

 

I think they got enough right to hope for a sequel to build on the Space Opera potential that was hinted at.  This would certainly be a better alternative to a reboot of some sort in 6 years.  I think you keep Ryan Reynolds and Mark Strong and that is more than enough to build on for the next film.  Take off the training wheels and put the majority of the action in space and we're set for something fun.  Those are the pieces of which I speak.

 

I would get someone besides Campbell though to direct.

 

EDIT:  Maybe 7 out of 10 is generous.  6.5 out of 10.  Not enough to keep from some disappointment, but just enough to say OK, take what worked and build on it.  But I forget this is the internet and everything has to be hyperbolic.


Edited by kingcujoI - 6/19/11 at 3:06pm
post #123 of 260



 

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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post



Because it's badly written,  wastes a huge amount of potential, has mixed performances, and was dully directed?

Every time a movie with a geek fanbase flops, you hear this "All the pieces are in place" bullshit from the Faithful.

Of course if you really want to see GL fans in denial, check out this IMDB thread, where they resort to Conspiracy Theories to explain the reception of GL.

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1133985/board/nest/184344799?p=1

 


What a laugh that thread is.  You're the best, dudalb.
 

 

post #124 of 260

What a wasted opportunity. I was expecting a live-action version of Green Lantern: First Flight, but instead I got...to be honest, I'm still not quite sure what I "got," but it could have been SO much better. Why even bother making a Green Lantern movie if everything compelling about the character and the GL Corps. is treated as an afterthought? Like, Micah said, I would've gladly taken the unbelievably awful cinematic abortion everyone else is talking about, over this under-written, half-assed attempt at a Green Lantern movie.

post #125 of 260

I'm in the "generally positive" camp.  I thought it was quite fun if a little disjointed.  I liked it a hell of a lot more than THOR. 

post #126 of 260
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I liked it a hell of a lot more than THOR. 

This, This and This.

 

After stewing on it some more I'm liking it more than I did last night. And I liked it quite a bit on first impression. Although I do think it would have benifited more with another 20 minutes or so.

 

If I had to give it a numerical rating I'd easily go 7-7.5.

 

 

post #127 of 260

Eh... I thought Thor really flew in parts. Lantern didn't. Better villains in Thor check. Better acting in Thor check. Better direction check. Better score.

 

Need we go further? It pains me to say this because I didn't think I would like Thor better and I don't like Thor better than Green Lantern as a hero.

 

Never thought Kenneth Branagh would beat Martin Campbell.

 

For the record I loved The Mask Of Zorro, Goldeneye and Casino Royale. Campbell is the better director in my eyes but not with his superhero property.

 

Thor and Lantern have this in common though the earth bound stuff pretty much stinks while the Oa/Asgard scenes work well.

post #128 of 260

So Armond White will love this, is that what we are saying?

post #129 of 260

How in *fuck* does a film rack up $125million-worth of advertising costs? That's just grotesque. This deserves to fail.

post #130 of 260
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How in *fuck* does a film rack up $125million-worth of advertising costs? That's just grotesque. This deserves to fail.


 

If the number's true, it probably wasn't too hard. They supposedly spent $100m on Batman Begins six years ago.

post #131 of 260

I can kind of seeing a studio wanting to spend the money to advertise a new hopeful franchise.  Anyone know how much was cost to market The Dark Knight?   

post #132 of 260

 

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I can kind of seeing a studio wanting to spend the money to advertise a new hopeful franchise.  Anyone know how much was cost to market The Dark Knight?   



I don't know numbers, but it had to be huge; not only were there a lot of TV spots in the 6 weeks leading to release, the ARG/viral campaign was extensive and expensive, and ran a then-unprecedented 14 months (May of 2007 through July of 2008). I'm hearing they're looking to cut costs this time with TDKR, and use free channels such as Twitter and Facebook to reduce the amount of cash invested in marketing.

 

post #133 of 260

I'm not surprised by how huge the marketing budgets are for these movies.  I'm freelancing at an ad agency that seems to do work that combines HP and Dreamworks properties.  So while I was working on HP stuff, there was someone else working on some Kung Fu Panda 2/Hewlitt Packard graphic.

 

I even saw Kung Fu Panda 2 promotions on a package of tofu.  That was a first.

 

Combine all of that with Comic Con presence, trailers, TV spots, toys, product tie-ins... and then spread it out to an international scale... 

 

It's still obscene, definitely. 

post #134 of 260

Although I mildly championed the film and was delighted by the more positive reception after the 4 minute plus trailer was unveiled, I must say that I was really disappointed with what I saw last night.  Perhaps there's a decent cut out there that rectifies major flaws in the storytelling such as Hector Hammond's supposed friendship with Hal and Carol, but then there are issues that I suspect are set in stone:  the ridiculous lead-up to how Hal encounters Hector with Carol, the personality-free Tomar-Re and Kilowog (as one reviewer pointed out, having him say "poozer" a few times does not characterize Kilowog in the slightest), the awful tentacled poo that was Paralax, the surprising misuse of Hal's family in the finale, etc...

 

And my god, was Blake Lively awful in this (although I grant that she's saddled with some of the film's worst psedu-pep dialogue).  She makes Katie Holmes look like Audrey Hepburn in comparison.  I just could not buy that she had any substantial history with Ryan Reynolds whatsoever, despite the hyping up of their chemistry.

post #135 of 260

It probably doesn't hurt that Harry Potter is an easy sell this year and while WB will be sure to get the word out when it's opening, they really don't have to go to any great lengths to sell it.

post #136 of 260
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I don't know numbers, but it had to be huge; not only were there a lot of TV spots in the 6 weeks leading to release, the ARG/viral campaign was extensive and expensive, and ran a then-unprecedented 14 months (May of 2007 through July of 2008). I'm hearing they're looking to cut costs this time with TDKR, and use free channels such as Twitter and Facebook to reduce the amount of cash invested in marketing.


Marketing is such a nebulous beast. From what I understand The Dark Knight outsourced their viral efforts through another company, and I wonder how much they spent, if they got a discount, if they went with a major viral company of some sort. Someone out there has the answers, but I'm afraid to hear them, as they're probably horribly complex and in the end depressing, since you get too far into the marketing and you just lose the point of the movie.

 

And as for the negativity towards Blake Lively... look, I don't think ANYTHING works in this movie, and the critics saying generous and/or positive things about the picture are only being charitable towards the things that ALMOST worked. But as far as Lively, and Kirsten Dunst, and Katie Holmes, etc. etc... I don't think it's fair to say ANYTHING about these performances, as these movies are essentially Boy's Club, and any personality the female shows is strictly First Act material. I don't get how you can say Blake Lively is that bad in this movie when she has NOTHING TO DO. Katie Holmes does a little in Batman Begins, but she's probably saddled with the bulk of Goyer dialogue in that movie. Kirsten Dunst became less of an entity in the Spider-Man films, and even Natalie Portman, who brings a lot of life to Thor, isn't really that much of a part of the narrative*.

 

Perhaps we should propose a moratorium on negative commentary regarding the female leads in these types of movies. At least until Wonder Woman happens, and we can bitch about how underwhelming and unconvincing the female supporting cast is.

 

*I kinda thought Jaimie Alexander as Sif was pretty badass in her bit part in Thor. More of her in the Thor sequel, please.

post #137 of 260

Lost a bet and ended up seeing this.  In one sentence:  SORCERER'S APPRENTICE with a comic book character!

 

In more than one sentence:  Yawn inducing rundown of the same old origin cliches than mark 90% of comic book characters.  And as was said earlier, by the time you get the nerdgasm moment ("Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night..."), the film's a limp noodle.  I see folks pointing out how bad Blake Lively was.  I agree, but then again, I don't know who she is, don't give a shit where she's from and couldn't care less how attractive she's found.  She's a cypher, no different than the other soulless pretty girls they jam into shit like this.

 

One thing that would have helped this thing...John Waters as Sinestro.

 

A dopey attempt to attach a film to a marketing scheme.  I find it hard to fathom how comic nerds can continue to show up for these films with an earnest expectation of any substance.  Not every comic book movie has to be an Ibsen soul twister like the recent Batman films, I get that.  But this and even THOR before it are really just increasingly shallow attempts to market materials to what studios expect is a pre-sold comic nerd demographic that turns out to be smaller and more fickle than they could imagine.  In this process, the film becomes nothing more than an ephemeral product, no more substantial than a Happy Meal toy.

 

Not surprisingly, the Onion nails the air of dopeyness that hangs over the whole mess...'Green Lantern' To Fulfill America's Wish To See Lantern-Based Characters On Big Screen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #138 of 260
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How in *fuck* does a film rack up $125million-worth of advertising costs? That's just grotesque. This deserves to fail.



I kinda miss the days when we had no idea what studios spent on promotion.  It's become such a precious thing for some folks, particularly on the internet, that it's starting to affect actual criticism of the films.

post #139 of 260

I miss the days when you could only see a trailer in the theaters. Hell, in those days I'll have no idea if a movie was coming out until I saw the trailer.

post #140 of 260
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I kinda miss the days when we had no idea what studios spent on promotion.  It's become such a precious thing for some folks, particularly on the internet, that it's starting to affect actual criticism of the films.


You're not alone, brother.

 

Days when "making of"'s popped up long after a film was released, when one could make it to the theater with no priming other than a newspaper ad and a trailer...days when it made no difference how a film "performed".

 

post #141 of 260

Draco Senior, I thought Blake Lively was...Terrific as Carol Ferris.  She was the ex gal pal, that helped convince him to...Finish, a project once in his life.  Blake is also alot more...LIVELY than Katie Holmes.  Katie Holmes is...Horrible in Batman Begins.  Her replacement Maggie Gylenhaal was a much better choice.  It is too bad that Maggie, wasn't available for Batman Begins!

post #142 of 260

The best thing Green Lantern did was inspire this review on Superhero Hype:

 

 

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Originally Posted by S.A.A.D View Post
My extended and modified review/two cents on Green Lantern:

I love it because I am biased. I love it because it's colorful, easy to understand, faithful, energetic, epic, absorbing, and cool. I also love it because Hal's transition to a superhero is very ephemeral, I also love the movie because it takes it's self seriously enough, Green Lantern accepts it's comic book side and isn't ashamed about it. Unlike the main characters from other comic book movies, the main characters in Green Lantern don't lead a very bland life nor are they far too bland. Fortunately, the movie doesn't have more flaws than it doe's. Unlike some comic book movies, it doesn't try to spread b.s., b.s. that you can't pick up on. The movie took the time to unfold things when it was right and slowly, in some comic book movies, certain sequences are rushed and don't get the appropriate amount of time to breathe. And unlike many comic book movies, the main hero actually saves the whole planet that is known as earth. Not one piece from it or a few pieces from it, but the entire planet. It makes Green Lantern more of a heroic movie. Another strength of the movie is that much of it comes off as being logical enough and believable enough. Some movies fail to make you feel warm once they are done, but Green Lantern left me feeling good and wanting more. And unlike some movies, it delivered what it was suppose to deliver despite the questionable problems. Is it revolutionary? No but it's okay since I wasn't expecting it to be and since I don't think that it was suppose to be.

Unlike some movies, the movie not only has likable characters, but vulnerable characters as well. Even the villains in it have redeeming qualities. The same cannot be said for villains in other movies. When I think of the cosmic scenes and special effects, I think of the word 'sumptuous'. As for the cinematography, it was great. I saw everything fine, however, it could have been weak if I cared some more about the different styles of camera work. The editing? I thought that it was pretty good, it's pretty good because I don't care alot for editing when it comes to watching movies. Thankfully, there are characters that serve a purpose and characters who have motives to support their actions. I find it even harder to dislike the movie considering the fact that I don't love films as much as others do, the others who evaluate all of the main elements that are necessary to create movies. Two other strengths are the characters arcs and story arcs, they are 'existent', unlike some movies where those two factors are 'missing' in action. I'm not one for writing 'bodacious' long reviews on movies nor am I one for giving alot of explanations to back up my reasons in reviews on movies, so therefor I have nothing else to contribute.

 

If I were a DC exec, this positive review would depress me more than any of the bad ones.

post #143 of 260

If I were a DC exec the only thing that would depress me is not rolling around in a giant pile of royalties.

post #144 of 260

The author of that review also has a pamphlet on the spread of the Illuminati he'd like you to read.

post #145 of 260

Is he serious?  There are plenty of films adapted from comic properties in which Earth, or at the very least the entirety of the hero's main hub, is endangered.  And the thing about the final battle with Paralax here is that the stakes don't feel properly set up (there's no plausible reaction to Green Lantern, Coast City is not well-established, Hal's family was not incorporated into the finale despite being set up earlier in the first act), so there's no consistent sense of scale.  I couldn't give a rat's ass about Coast City, and I certainly didn't get the impression that there was any imminent threat to the rest of Earth because the stakes were not handled with any emotion or scale.

post #146 of 260

Even so, the helicopter crash/race car track sequence easily trumps the final encounter in terms of sheer idiocy and narrative incompetence.

post #147 of 260

Draco Senior, To me...Punching Parallax into The Sun, is the...Coolest most...Awe-Inspiring and Awesome, thing in the film!

post #148 of 260
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The best thing Green Lantern did was inspire this review on Superhero Hype:

 

"The editing? I thought that it was pretty good, it's pretty good because I don't care alot for editing when it comes to watching movies."

 

If I were a DC exec, this positive review would depress me more than any of the bad ones.

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH.  Moron.
 

 

post #149 of 260

You should check this out, esp. if you have watched and enjoyed GL, to see if you agree with this or not. It's extremely funny (Warning: Major Spoilers Ahead):

 

Toplessrobot presents the best scenes of GL:

 

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/06/topless_robot_presents_the_best_scenes_from_the_gr.php

post #150 of 260
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Even so, the helicopter crash/race car track sequence easily trumps the final encounter in terms of sheer idiocy and narrative incompetence.



Jesus, that was retarded. First of all, how did no one get killed by the helicopter's propeller? Second, a bunch of people are about to die, and the first thing he comes up with is to form the body of a hotrod around the helicopter, then recklessly direct the thing around on a floating track? "This helicopter is out of control! I'll devise a way to increase its momentum and continue to endanger the lives of all these people!"

 

Make a big fucking hand to grab the helicopter and put it down. Done.

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