The Death of Spider-Man

Bitter much? I think Ultimate Spider-man was the only part of the Ultimate line that kept a level of fun/quality through its whole run, but this whole thing was the final dealbreaker for me; I probably wont follow the new series.

Hell, Im amazed they have kept the Ultimate line going post the clusterfuck that was Ultimatum.

Also, Millar is only responsible for the horrible, horrible Avengers vs Ultimates stuff; Ultimate Spider-man is pretty much Bendis book.

And that should be the only image in the entire book.

So how does he check out?

He's gonna get offed by

As wretched as The Other story arc was, the one thing that worked was Peter Parker's untimely death. It was brutal and horrific, and wrung completely truel. If a hero like Spider-man's going to go down, it ain't gonna be pretty.

The thing that bothers me most is that they're making a big deal about how in the Ultimate Universe, death is final, but

Well, post the final runs of Ultimate X-men and Fantastic Four, and the horror that was giving Loeb the Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum, I reckon that Ultimate Spidey didnt have to do much to feel better.

What really irks me here is how they are saying the Ultimate line was about doing different things they cant and will never do in the main line; thats pure BS, since the line was conceived to recreate the mythos of the characters in a new, modern setting; the whole thing is pretty much some ongoing Elseworld of sorts now.
 

I'll put 5 bucks (but not to buy the book) down right now that Peter Parker will still be alive in the new series.  DIdn't show him get buried.  It would be interesting if they zipped forward 5-10 years, especially since the series supposedly took place in less than a year.

So the new character is Miles Morales, half black, half Latino and maybe gay.

I haven't been interested in comic book Spider-Man for a while now (specially after Brand New Day), Ultimate Spider-Man even less. This doesn't really increase my interest.

wait... a radioactive spider bit another kid???

Half-black, half-latino and possibly gay? Man, during the Donald Glover for Spider-Man thing I was 100% for it, but there is such a thing as trying too hard.

And I'm done with Ultimate Spider-man; Im all for diversity in any medium, but this just doesnt gel with me in the slightest; I rather have new, original minority/ethnic characters created instead of having them take over existing, established ones.

Guess i'll be switching to the new Blue Beetle ongoing...and still pissed over Christopher Priest's "The crew" being cancelled 7 issues in.

So, you're NOT "all for diversity" then.

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Originally Posted by ryoken 

And I'm done with Ultimate Spider-man; Im all for diversity in any medium, but this just doesnt gel with me in the slightest; I rather have new, original minority/ethnic characters created instead of having them take over existing, established ones.

Guess i'll be switching to the new Blue Beetle ongoing...and still pissed over Christopher Priest's "The crew" being cancelled 7 issues in.

 

Seriously? You're really offended by the presence of Gayblack-Man who is only going to have one title (before sales drop like a motherfucking rock) to his name? Seems that you have a problem that you're not quite ready to admit to. Stan Lee is kind of shameless, but years and years ago I recall him going on about how Spider-Man's full face mask was a way for *any* kid to project himself into the costume and the character. This is that idea come to fruition. Also, I agree with stelios. I'm a total leftist, but comic book writers are among the least tactful when it comes to dealing with racially and sexually diverse characters, so much so that it's often some seriously embarrassing shit to read.

When the Ultimate line first started, I was collecting all of the graphic novels for the various titles.  Needless to say, that didn't last very long.  While I personally thought the Ultimate X-Men book started with some promise, the quality quickly declined once Millar was off the book.  There never was much of the Ultimates.  Ultimate Fantastic Four was hit and miss.

I thought Ultimate Spider-Man maintained a pretty good level of quality, though.  While I haven't been able to bring myself to read Ultimatum, I have read some of the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man stuff.  I enjoyed Bendis' take on Spider-Man.  I liked that the character was always a small fish in a very big pond.  This will definitely spell the end of my interest for the book.  Thankfully, though, Bendis pretty much writes regular old Spider-Man as a slightly older version of his Ultimate Spider-Man.

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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny 

Seriously? You're really offended by the presence of Gayblack-Man who is only going to have one title (before sales drop like a motherfucking rock) to his name? Seems that you have a problem that you're not quite ready to admit to. Stan Lee is kind of shameless, but years and years ago I recall him going on about how Spider-Man's full face mask was a way for *any* kid to project himself into the costume and the character. This is that idea come to fruition. Also, I agree with stelios. I'm a total leftist, but comic book writers are among the least tactful when it comes to dealing with racially and sexually diverse characters, so much so that it's often some seriously embarrassing shit to read.

If my problem is being annoyed/disgusted by far too obvious publicity stunts that undermine the very issue they are trying to adress, then yes, i have a problem then.

Im of mixed ancestry myself (Im chilean/ecuatorian/german) and ive lived and traveled abroad enough to have lived in racially diverse places, so i dont think i have any issues when it comes to race.

Having a minority character taking over an established character's identity is a cheap move; I would follow the book in a heartbeat had they kept Peter Parker dead and introduced this character as a new superhero or an existing minority one and made him/her the star of the book.

I'm honestly confused.  Is this a joke?  Blue Beetle was a white character who was killed and replaced with a hispanic character...
 

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Originally Posted by ryoken 

And I'm done with Ultimate Spider-man; Im all for diversity in any medium, but this just doesnt gel with me in the slightest; I rather have new, original minority/ethnic characters created instead of having them take over existing, established ones.

Guess i'll be switching to the new Blue Beetle ongoing...and still pissed over Christopher Priest's "The crew" being cancelled 7 issues in.

 

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Originally Posted by ryoken 

Having a minority character taking over an established character's identity is a cheap move; I would follow the book in a heartbeat had they kept Peter Parker dead and introduced this character as a new superhero or an existing minority one and made him/her the star of the book.

Why is it a cheap move, and what's the difference between a "new character" and this new black Spidey? Isn't he himself a "new character"?
 

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Originally Posted by Shunderson 

I'm honestly confused.  Is this a joke?  Blue Beetle was a white character who was killed and replaced with a hispanic character...
 

 

well, you've got me there...the only difference here is that the new Blue Beetle wasnt hyped based on his race and was quickly turned into a character of his own (his powers, design, etc were altered to make him stand out and be independent of the character he replaced).

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

Why is it a cheap move, and what's the difference between a "new character" and this new black Spidey? Isn't he himself a "new character"?
 

 

You honestly think that this change would had been made if the Donal Glover casting episode never happened? The character may be new, but he's taking over a pretty well established character to fill a predetermined role; compare this to "Young Avengers", which quickly established its own identity while featuring minority characters;  i'd rather see Marvel and DC make efforts to promote and keep new minority characters on reader's radars instead of doing these cheap stunts for quick publicity and controversy; Also, i have to admit that hated the killing of Peter Parker and the whole change to the Ultimate Universe's main themes, which are also a factor in my choice of dropping the series.

So there's no chance this character is going to put on the Spidey suit and develop an identity of his own? I guess that's why the Green Lanterns are so interchangable, right?

Has it ever occurred to you that making Spidey black and creating a separate minority character are two actions that need no relation to each other?

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

So there's no chance this character is going to put on the Spidey suit and develop an identity of his own? I guess that's why the Green Lanterns are so interchangable, right?

Has it ever occurred to you that making Spidey black and creating a separate minority character are two actions that need no relation to each other?

The character hasnt seen any development yet, and Bendis is talented as a writer, so yeah, im sure he will develop; but in this case, the whole thing is just a PR stunt; race shouldnt even be an issue here, and my gripes with the book's new direction and the Ultimate universe as a whole also form a sort of bias in my opinion, Ill admit.

I would still prefered to see a new superhero identity being created and supported by Marvel.
 

So how would a new Spider-Man character NOT be a "pr stunt." If he were white?

Or should Spider-Man just remain Peter Parker forever and ever and ever?

At this point, aren't comics pretty much run on PR stunts?  The death of Spider-man wasn't some surprise found out in the comic right?  Weren't there press releases and news articles about it prior to the issue even coming out?

And honestly, I can't even think of the last new major minority superhero that wasn't inheriting a name.

Still, Marvel did have their premier superhero team headed up by a black guy, so you have to give them props for that.

Oh, and Bendis did say that he was influenced by the Donald Glover 4 Spider-man thing.