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Question for those who have read the script. I heard that the script for "Inglourious Basterds" was online before that movie came out too. Did anybody read that one in advance? I'm just wondering if many changes were made between the script online and the final version of the movie. Knowing might lead to a better idea about how close "Django Unchained" will be to the script currently available.

If it's anything like Basterds, it will be pretty damn close to the finished film. 

While I haven't read it in quite awhile, I don't remember there being too much different between the leaked Basterds script and the finished film.  There were a few sequences that didn't make it into the film.  Considering QT's general unwillingness to provide deleted scenes, it's hard to say how many of those scenes were actually filmed.  Beyond that, there were very few differences if my memory is correct.

Same goes for Kill Bill, really.  Again, a few sequences were either replaced with new ones or outright removed, but on the whole what is on the page ended up on screen.

I know for a fact that Donnie's pre-Europe flashback was filmed, because Cloris Leachman plays his elderly Jew neighbor that gives him the baseball bat. Unsure on any of the other sequences.

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Originally Posted by JMulder 

1. It rubs our collective nose in violence in an attempt to push the boundaries of what we deem acceptable or comfortable, and through historical revisionism it is providing audiences with an emotional catharsis that we at once rejoice in and find disgustingly violent -- this challenges us.

 

2. It is ultimately a treatise on the power of cinema to hold sway over its audience (or even an entire nation), for good or ill. When considered in tandem with point 1, the movie becomes a self-reflexive examination of a culture's indulgence in violence -- i.e., how can we deride the Nazis for laughing along with Zoller's exploits in Nation's Pride, while at the same time enjoying the haphazard murder of Nazis throughout the movie?

 

3. The tactics of the Basterds are comparable with earlier bushwhackin' guerilla resistance movements such as American Indians (in the text) and terrorists (in the subtext -- personally I'd like more evidence for this though). This compares the persecution of different ethnic and cultural groups (Natives, Jews, Muslims) throughout history as not only resulting in similar methods of violent reprisal, but as having similar root causes and therefore embodying similar moral dilemmas.

Alright well, I give up, these are good points that I just tried to write solid arguments against, and I just ended up coming up with more stuff that supported these readings of the movie. Stuff like Eli Roth's casting (putting a torture porn director in a movie that that is self-reflexively pornographic in its violence), Brad Pitt speaking into the camera at the end/Shoshanna speaking into her camera within the reality of the film, the entire fact that Landa survives by slipping through a moral compromise (a "deal") of his own making (a challenging moral question that mirrors the one the movie puts forth about cultural representations of violence)... The lyrics "putting out the fire with gasoline" can even be said to self-reflexively comment on Tarantino's whole career, since he is tackling the subject of violence through making excessively violent pictures. These are good themes.

So yeah, I can admit that maybe my enjoyment of a good debate caused me to argue myself into a position I couldn't fully support. Maybe I find Tarantino films unsatisfying for other reasons, and I am just unable to fully articulate at this time why that is exactly -- maybe when I see Django it will occur to me, since my unimpressed reaction to the script is what sparked this debate in the first place. Anyway I'm through, make of this thread what you will, although I will say that Tarantino should still learn how to spell.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

...and that is why you fail.

 

You're not interested in sharing ideas or even open to the possibility of having your mind changed, as you said yourself above, any point being made that contradicts your position you see as nothing but a challenge to be refuted rather than taken in and actually respected or listened to. Heaven forbid someone else brings a perspective to the discussion you hadn't taken into consideration before.

 

At a certain point mate, intellectual masturbation ceases to hide your insecurities and starts to point them out for all to see. 

Seriously man, keep your unwarranted armchair psychoanalysis to yourself. I enjoy writing about movies and when I have the time on my hands, I write about them -- the same can be said about everyone here to differing extents. And if every person who liked to talk at length about art was secretly just insecure about their intelligence, then I guess legions of professors all across the world are just nursing inferiority complexes and every paper they publish is just the tangible evidence of it. Look at it this way -- just because you think you have the right to assert moral superiority over the discussion doesn't mean you can start making half-assed attempts to pick apart the psyches of its participants.

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Originally Posted by Greg Clark 

I know for a fact that Donnie's pre-Europe flashback was filmed, because Cloris Leachman plays his elderly Jew neighbor that gives him the baseball bat. Unsure on any of the other sequences.

I swear I read an article somewhere online shortly after the film came out that went over a handful of sequences that were filmed, but didn't make the final cut.  That was obviously one of them.  Part of me wants to say that most of them involved the Basterds, but I'm not completely positive.  I'm too tired right now, but I might try and track it down tomorrow morning.

EDIT - Did a small search.  Haven't found the article yet, but I did stumble across something I had forgotten about.  Shoshanna's "aunt" that she spoke of?  Yeah, she actually appeared in an entire sequence that was cut from the film depicting Shoshanna's first few years in France and being taken in by Madame Mimieux (Maggie Cheung)......................http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/05/maggie-cheung-ok-with-being-cut-from.html.

Another bit with Shoshanna was cut that revolved around her screening a Goebbels film........................a real one, not something created for the film.  http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42886&page=1

Also, I distinctly recall a shot in the trailer of one of the Basterds running down a hallway screaming and firing a heavy machine gun.  If I had to guess, it's probably from a longer version of the sequence where they free Hugo.  Anyway, so it looks like sequences (both large and small) were cut from both main storylines.  There are rumors that QT's first cut (before actual trimming began) was around 40 minutes longer than what we ended up with, but I can't find any concrete info to back that up.  Unless he someday decides to give us an extended cut or at least toss the deleted material onto a new release, I doubt we'll ever really know.

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Originally Posted by JMulder 

So yeah, I can admit that maybe my enjoyment of a good debate caused me to argue myself into a position I couldn't fully support. Maybe I find Tarantino films unsatisfying for other reasons, and I am just unable to fully articulate at this time why that is exactly -- maybe when I see Django it will occur to me, since my unimpressed reaction to the script is what sparked this debate in the first place. Anyway I'm through, make of this thread what you will, although I will say that Tarantino should still learn how to spell.

 

Sometimes, stuff just doesn't click.  Happens to everyone.