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Poll Results: What type of beer is the best?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 25% (9)
    IPAs (double, single or triple)
  • 8% (3)
    Lagers
  • 14% (5)
    Stouts
  • 5% (2)
    Pilsners
  • 8% (3)
    Pale Ales
  • 5% (2)
    Porters
  • 5% (2)
    Bitters/ESBs
  • 0% (0)
    Kolsch
  • 2% (1)
    Wheat
  • 8% (3)
    Dubbel
  • 2% (1)
    Bocks (Bock, Doppelbock, Weizenbock, etc)
  • 11% (4)
    Hefeweizens
35 Total Votes  
post #1 of 208
Thread Starter 

We've got a Scotch drinkers thread, so we definitely need a beer drinkers thread now. This will be a thread to discuss good brews, bad brews, local brews, international brews, home brews...anything having to do with beer! It will also be a way to keep a record of the beers we drink, whether we like them or not! I've also added a poll to see what style of beer we enjoy the most!

 

I'll start with what I'm just sitting down to drink.

 

Lagunitas Undercover Investigation Shut-Down Ale. 9.87% ABV, I.B.U 72.41. This is a limited release, so pick it up as quick as you can! What a delicious one this is!

post #2 of 208

Poll lacks a "Beer" option.

 

http://www.innisandgunn.com/

 

http://flyingdogales.com/beers/

 

http://sweetwaterbrew.com/brews/blue/

 

http://www.rogue.com/beers/morimoto-pilsner.php

 

http://www.rogue.com/beers/morimoto-soba-ale.php

 

http://www.stonebrew.com/levitation/

 

http://terrapinbeer.com/brew/monster-beer/rye-squared/

 

And K Cider.  No link because the only good link for it is a crappy FB page.  They stopped importing it into the US years ago.  Fantastic stuff.

 

And I swear to God, if someone wanders in here and even thinks to mention Yeungling this entire thread should be nuked from orbit.  I cannot believe what people will drink and go to great lengths to pretend is a good beer.

 

 

post #3 of 208

This is a thread I can get behind.

 

IPAs are my THING. I definitely enjoy a good stout, amber ale, and dabble in the Beligan styles (Duvel, Chimay, Three Philosophers etc). But nothing beats a good IPA. Being in the Northwest means it's pretty easy to find some fantastic locally made brews and the great IPAs made in California find there way up here.

 

Some of my favorites are

 

Racer 5

Lagunitas Hop Stoopid

Ninkasi Tricerahops and Total Domination

Mac'n'Jacks IPA (their African Amber is insanely drinkable too)

 

The Powerhouse brewery here in Puyallup,WA brews some great beers and their spring IPA the "Ezra"is deliciously hoppy.
This weekend I'll be watching the entire LOTR EE on blu-ray which will be complimented by a bottle of Uneathly Imperial IPA.

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Lagunitas Undercover Investigation Shut-Down Ale. 9.87% ABV, I.B.U 72.41. This is a limited release, so pick it up as quick as you can! What a delicious one this is!

 

Will need to hunt that down, Lagunitas always delivers.

 

post #4 of 208

Last night I was drinking Red Seal Ale from the fabled North Coast Brewing Company. In this area Sierra Nevada is sort of the introductory Pale Ale and God knows it's delicious. But I think Red Seal takes that taste a step further. Something about it feels more serious, despite having slightly lower ABV. Maybe it's the simple fact that I can't find Red Seal in every 7/11 around here, unlike Sierra. 

 

I have been consuming quite a bit of Sam Adam's Summer Ale as well. I find it to be an essentially perfect wheat ale ( I prefer my wheat ales extremely subtle) as opposed to something like Blue Moon, which I can't drink anymore. It's just too sweet. But the Summer Ale is an anomaly in that I usually despise Sam Adams, and never drink it. Took a chance on it and glad I did. I wonder what in the process made this beer standout to me so much more than their regular brew? Unfortunately I'm not well-versed enough in the details of beer-making to make sense of it. 

post #5 of 208
Thread Starter 

IPAs are my thing too. Dogfish Head's 60, 90, and 120 minute IPAs are some of the best you can buy.That Lagunitas brew I mentioned was delicious. Definitely pick it up if you can. For 9.87% ABV it was incredibly easy to drink.

post #6 of 208

Mmmm beeeer.

 

Favorite categories so far, Pale Ale (epsecially Belgian), Hefe-Weizen, Dubbel and I have to add Tripel (shame on you for not including my favorite).

 

Pale Ale: Cuvee De Ranke. Enough said. With Lucifer as a strong sentimental favorite for showing me what good beer is supposed to taste like.

Hefe-Weizen: I'd have to go with Paulaner Hefe-Weizen. Aromatic as hell. As it beathes, you can smell the citrus two rooms over. Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit.

Dubbel: Cuvee Angelique (again). Along with Chimay Premiere. 

 

And the goddamn Tripel and by far my favorite beer in the world: La Fin Du Monde. This isn't a beer. It's a damn head fucking mouth orgasm. Not for beer newbies, though. It tastes so well that its 9% sneaks up to you and dropkicks you in the neck if you're not careful.

 

My biggest regret is not having any good American microbrews available.

post #7 of 208

I feel like Young Neil. "...That's kind of a big question."

post #8 of 208

Have a Belgian Pale Ale in the keg getting carbonated and just brewed a hoppy brown ale this morning, cause my last one only lasted a week cause all my friends came over to drink it.

 

 

Right now I'm completely hooked on the new Sixpoint releases. They're finally canning (yes, canning) their delicious beers in 4 packs, and having Sweet Action any time I want is making me a happy person.

 

I like beer.

post #9 of 208

You brew? I'm jealous. I wish I had space for that.

post #10 of 208
Thread Starter 
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And the goddamn Tripel and by far my favorite beer in the world: La Fin Du Monde. This isn't a beer. It's a damn head fucking mouth orgasm. Not for beer newbies, though. It tastes so well that its 9% sneaks up to you and dropkicks you in the neck if you're not careful.

 



This is a perfect description of La Fin Du Monde. An INCREDIBLE mouth orgasm of a beer.

post #11 of 208
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IPAs are my thing too. Dogfish Head's 60, 90, and 120 minute IPAs are some of the best you can buy.That Lagunitas brew I mentioned was delicious. Definitely pick it up if you can. For 9.87% ABV it was incredibly easy to drink.

 

The 120 minute IPA sounds incredible. Dogfish Head is just a badass brewing company. Very high integrity operation. I really want to try to Lagunitas brew as well... The list of beers I need to get around to is growing, but I think I'm up to the challenge.

 

Last night a buddy of mine got a case of Sierra Nevada Torpedo. Excellent flavor, surprisingly light (especially considering the 7.2% ABV), and they missed when gone. The sign of a great beer.

 

There's a great piece of writing in business week about the collapse of the Busch dynasty. Interesting insight into the family and the business.

 

 

post #12 of 208
Thread Starter 

Yeah, the 120 minute IPA is easily one of the best IPAs you can buy. It's kinda hard to find though. If you do find it, buy as much of it as possible! The 90 minute is pretty much just as good, but a bit lighter on the head. And Dogfish head has to be my favorite brewery right now. Everything they make is just incredible! If there's a specialty beer store where you live I would go in and see if they can find that Lagunitas Undercover Investigation Shut Down Ale for you. Its worth going to whatever lengths needed to track it down.

 

So tonight I had a really awesome stout. I dont normally drink stouts or porters (too heavy). But this one, brewed by a brewery in Winston Salem was delicious. Foothills Bourbon Barrel Aged Total Eclipse Stout. Anyone in NC should be able to find it on tap at special bars. I dont know about outside the state though.

post #13 of 208

This thread inspired me to go to my beer place yesterday night and get some Chimay Premiere. Even with being full of cheap wedding wine it tasted so smooth. I love the taste of caramel.

post #14 of 208
Thread Starter 

Chimay is a classic. You can never go wrong with it.

post #15 of 208
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post

You brew? I'm jealous. I wish I had space for that.


If you have room for a bucket, you can brew beer in your home. It's actually incredibly easy. Hell, you can even just brew one gallon batches, which requires even less room. The worst part is the waiting- the actual brewing requires very little time at all (an hour or two), and if you consider that a five gallon batch will run you anywhere from 20-40 bucks of ingredients, it's one hell of a deal. You can make pretty much any style but lager pretty easily.

 

I had a BBQ yesterday and we drank almost all of my Belgian Pale Ale, which was delicious. Nice and malty with just the perfect hop bite.

post #16 of 208

You're still brewing! That's great, Alex. So many people peter out of it once the novelty wears off. Glad to hear you've been successful at it!

 

I've been on a cloning kick lately, trying to replicate some favorites. Pulled off a pretty damn successful Racer 5 a few months back, of which there's maybe a 12-pack left that I'm hoarding. But I have a feeling the hoard's getting raided next week. More recently I attempted a Boddington's, which wasn't as on the money, but I'm hoping just needs some more time, maybe a month. The flavor profile's pretty on, just inconsistent with the carbonation and clarity so far. But not bad for working without nitrous widgets. Doesn't match up (yet!) in a head to head, but still came out a tasty, toasty English pale. That Racer 5, though, that's probably going to have to become an annual.

 

Dogfish Head is indeed the prime example of U.S. craft brewing right now, a perfect business model of a steadfast slamdunk lineup with the occasional Fucking Out There experimentation brews. Although they're hardly the only ones, just one of the most successful (I also gotta recommend Rogue, Stone, and Heavy Seas). Their collaboration with Boston Brewing Co. (also the real deal, despite their size and marketing budget -- Koch's a genuine Beer Geek, and their seasonals have only gotten more impressive over time) for Savor DC, SAVOR Flowers, was simply mind-blowing. I was talked into going to that event (timing was off for my budget), but now I'm going to have to go every year and damn the price. Four hours of heaven, and I got a snapshot of Sam Calagione uncorking my SAVOR Flowers with his mouth. (Also got to shake the hand of Charlie Papazian, who was a little toasted by then. My homebrewing buddy and I were quivering like schoolgirls backstage with Bieber.)

 

Speaking of their 120-Minute IPA. I don't know if anyone watched "Brew Masters" on Discovery last year, following Dogish Head; seems not to have lasted past 5-6 episodes. The one that was utterly shocking was about the loss of an entire batch of 120 Minute. It's a damn difficult beer to brew -- extremely complicated, delicate, and expensive (even at ~$9 a 12 oz bottle, at it's cheapest, it's not a moneymaker for them) -- and every year it's a little different. This time, just didn't make the cut. Came out too sweet and low alcohol, because the yeast just couldn't survive long enough to get all the sugars fermented. It happens. Well, it happens on MY 5-gal scale, trying to do a Big Beer, but you never expect the pros to be dealing with the same issues. I was choking up some, watching the video of them literally pouring it all down the drainholes.

 

And that's why you haven't been able to find any 120s on the shelves for a while. At Savor, I asked a Dogfish guy about the next batch, and after a long, heavy sigh he said don't hold your breath -- if it comes out, it's going to be a very small run, very tightly distributed within a very small window. Basically, he said that this summer/fall suck up to your local Whole Foods beer guy and let him know that YOU want to know when he gets a bottle in. Some stores may not even get entire 4-packs. Don't know how much if any will get past the East Coast/mid-Atlantic. I am going to be on the hunt.

post #17 of 208
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Dogfish Head is indeed the prime example of U.S. craft brewing right now, a perfect business model of a steadfast slamdunk lineup with the occasional Fucking Out There experimentation brews. Although they're hardly the only ones, just one of the most successful (I also gotta recommend Rogue, Stone, and Heavy Seas). Their collaboration with Boston Brewing Co. (also the real deal, despite their size and marketing budget -- Koch's a genuine Beer Geek, and their seasonals have only gotten more impressive over time) for Savor DC, SAVOR Flowers, was simply mind-blowing. I was talked into going to that event (timing was off for my budget), but now I'm going to have to go every year and damn the price. Four hours of heaven, and I got a snapshot of Sam Calagione uncorking my SAVOR Flowers with his mouth. (Also got to shake the hand of Charlie Papazian, who was a little toasted by then. My homebrewing buddy and I were quivering like schoolgirls backstage with Bieber.)

 

Speaking of their 120-Minute IPA. I don't know if anyone watched "Brew Masters" on Discovery last year, following Dogish Head; seems not to have lasted past 5-6 episodes. The one that was utterly shocking was about the loss of an entire batch of 120 Minute. It's a damn difficult beer to brew -- extremely complicated, delicate, and expensive (even at ~$9 a 12 oz bottle, at it's cheapest, it's not a moneymaker for them) -- and every year it's a little different. This time, just didn't make the cut. Came out too sweet and low alcohol, because the yeast just couldn't survive long enough to get all the sugars fermented. It happens. Well, it happens on MY 5-gal scale, trying to do a Big Beer, but you never expect the pros to be dealing with the same issues. I was choking up some, watching the video of them literally pouring it all down the drainholes.

 

And that's why you haven't been able to find any 120s on the shelves for a while. At Savor, I asked a Dogfish guy about the next batch, and after a long, heavy sigh he said don't hold your breath -- if it comes out, it's going to be a very small run, very tightly distributed within a very small window. Basically, he said that this summer/fall suck up to your local Whole Foods beer guy and let him know that YOU want to know when he gets a bottle in. Some stores may not even get entire 4-packs. Don't know how much if any will get past the East Coast/mid-Atlantic. I am going to be on the hunt.


Very interesting, thanks for the info. I went on a hunt this weekend for the 120 and came up empty. Found plenty of 60 minute and 90 minute (just heavenly) but no 120. Most of the people I talked with shook their heads sadly and bemoaned that 'they had been on order for a good while'. I did manage to find the Palo Santo Marron, going to pour a pint later tonight and test it out. I've also got a bottle of Lagunitas Wilco Hotel Foxtrot waiting for me (which apparently has no relation to the Wilco album, something I find suspect). It's not the Undercover Ale (another I had difficultly locating) but they sold me with the "Malty, Robust, Jobless Recovery Ale" refrain on the label. So in my search I came up empty but I got some other craft brews to try. Also, I heard a tip that the 120 IPA is being served on tap at BeechWood BBQ in Seal Beach (if anyone is even remotely in the area, you must check this place out, it's beer and BBQ heaven). According to their hopcam they have the Palo Santo but no 120. Hmm... they have a high turnover rate on selection so I'll keep an eye on it. Also, looks like they set up show right near me in downtown LB. Holy Hell. I may have to leave work early... 

 

The only other beer I consumed this weekend worth mentioning would be Harar, an Ethiopian pale lager. Very light, almost like a Hefeweizen. Complimented the food quite nicely. I would have preferred to sample the Hakim Stout, but apparently it was stuck a barge somewhere between continents. C'est la vie. 

 

post #18 of 208
Thread Starter 

The 120 is heavenly for sure. I'm perfectly fine drinking the 90 minute though. I'm always on the lookout for that 120 just incase though.

 

BlackyShimSham...there's a shop here in Asheville that will ship beer anywhere. Check out Bruisinales.com. They currently have that Undercover Investigation Shutdwown Ale available for shipping.

post #19 of 208
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Also, I heard a tip that the 120 IPA is being served on tap at BeechWood BBQ in Seal Beach (if anyone is even remotely in the area, you must check this place out, it's beer and BBQ heaven). According to their hopcam they have the Palo Santo but no 120. Hmm... they have a high turnover rate on selection so I'll keep an eye on it. Also, looks like they set up show right near me in downtown LB. Holy Hell. I may have to leave work early... 

 

 

 


Had Time Warner out last week and the tech. was talking about this place.  So I'll definitely be getting there soon since I'm a slight PCH excursion away.

 

Went to Chico a few weeks ago and stopped by Sierra Nevada Brewery for a few hours; their Ovila Dubbel is fan-fucking-tastic.  If you can find a bottle of that anywhere get it.

 

Also went to New Belgium a few years back and their Abbey is essentially the same with minor variations on the Belgian front.  Those and IPAs can marry me anytime.

 

post #20 of 208
Thread Starter 
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Went to Chico a few weeks ago and stopped by Sierra Nevada Brewery for a few hours; their Ovila Dubbel is fan-fucking-tastic.  If you can find a bottle of that anywhere get it.

 

 

 


I've got a bottle of this sitting in my fridge. I read about it a couple weeks ago and went and found one right away.

 

post #21 of 208

All this talk of beer inspired me to stop at the liquor store on the way home.  Picked up a bottle of Rogue Imperial and a sixer of the 60 IPA.  Tasty.

post #22 of 208
post #23 of 208
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All this talk of beer inspired me to stop at the liquor store on the way home.  Picked up a bottle of Rogue Imperial and a sixer of the 60 IPA.  Tasty.



I know we keep talking about Dogfish Head's IPAs...but there's just never too much you can say about them. If you like the 60, you will LOVE the 90, and die for the 120.

post #24 of 208
Thread Starter 
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Oh yeah.  Also this.

 

http://www.northcoastbrewing.com/beer-rasputin.htm



This is an awesome beer, one of the few dark beers I actually like.

post #25 of 208

I've gone through three six packs of Shutdown Ale this summer.  Ridiculously drinkable considering how strong it is.  Otherwise in my fridge I currently have a 6er of Victory's Hop Wallop, a 4 pack of Old Rasputin and a bomber of Stone Ruination (I LOVE Ruination but I can't find it for less than $17 in MN and that's a bit too expensive).  My most consumed beer is Bell's Two Hearted...I could drink that all day every day.  I marked down Stouts in the poll though for nostalgic reasons...first craft brew I ever tried was an oatmeal stout and whenever I try one I'm instantly transported back to that time.

post #26 of 208

How are things over there with the less mainstream European stuff? I'm guessing they're much easier to track down than the American micros are here. I'd kill to have a place with a constant supply over here.

post #27 of 208
Thread Starter 

Jameson, Shutdown Ale is crazy easy to drink. It really shouldnt be though, considering how strong it is. I love this beer.

Stelios,We've got a couple places here that deal in specialty beers. The main one, Bruisin Ales, gets a lot of european stuff, and a lot of hard-to-find/limited/special brews.

post #28 of 208

Any Flying Dog fans out there?

 

I've had a lot of their stuff over the years, but I just had a Tire Bite for the first time since the move and I swear it tastes different.

 

Doggy Style has long been one of my favorite beers, but I'm almost afraid to try it now in case it's taken a turn for the worse.  I don't know, maybe it's just me.

post #29 of 208

DJ Dylan - Thanks for the heads up, I'll check that out. I never ordered beer online before, sounds fun. There is a liquor warehouse somewhere around Huntington Beach. One of my buddies managed it for awhile, so I'm obligated to check them out, for solidarity.

Tomas Mejor - Beachwood BBQ is legendary around here, you won't be disappointed. I can't wait to see the brewery in action in LB. The mind rebels at the possibilities.

 

I wasn't a fan of Palo Santo Marron to be honest. It was more of a sweeter taste than I was anticipating, but it's possible I was drinking the wrong beers around it. I'll try it again at some point and see what I think. The 12% on that bad boy caught me off guard I will say. Quite an experience.

 

About to crack open the Lagunitas Wilco Tango Foxtrot. Got high hopes. And Ruination, Rasputin...  some badass beers in this thread, that's for sure.

post #30 of 208
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There is a liquor warehouse somewhere around Huntington Beach. One of my buddies managed it for awhile, so I'm obligated to check them out, for solidarity.

 



Magnolia & Adams in HB.  Literally named : The Liquor Warehouse.  They will order you whatever you want IF it's available and you can afford it.  They've got all sorts of wonderment to behold.

 

 

post #31 of 208
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You're still brewing! That's great, Alex. So many people peter out of it once the novelty wears off. Glad to hear you've been successful at it!

 

I've been on a cloning kick lately, trying to replicate some favorites. Pulled off a pretty damn successful Racer 5 a few months back, of which there's maybe a 12-pack left that I'm hoarding. But I have a feeling the hoard's getting raided next week. More recently I attempted a Boddington's, which wasn't as on the money, but I'm hoping just needs some more time, maybe a month. The flavor profile's pretty on, just inconsistent with the carbonation and clarity so far. But not bad for working without nitrous widgets. Doesn't match up (yet!) in a head to head, but still came out a tasty, toasty English pale. That Racer 5, though, that's probably going to have to become an annual.

 

Dogfish Head is indeed the prime example of U.S. craft brewing right now, a perfect business model of a steadfast slamdunk lineup with the occasional Fucking Out There experimentation brews. Although they're hardly the only ones, just one of the most successful (I also gotta recommend Rogue, Stone, and Heavy Seas). Their collaboration with Boston Brewing Co. (also the real deal, despite their size and marketing budget -- Koch's a genuine Beer Geek, and their seasonals have only gotten more impressive over time) for Savor DC, SAVOR Flowers, was simply mind-blowing. I was talked into going to that event (timing was off for my budget), but now I'm going to have to go every year and damn the price. Four hours of heaven, and I got a snapshot of Sam Calagione uncorking my SAVOR Flowers with his mouth. (Also got to shake the hand of Charlie Papazian, who was a little toasted by then. My homebrewing buddy and I were quivering like schoolgirls backstage with Bieber.)

 

Speaking of their 120-Minute IPA. I don't know if anyone watched "Brew Masters" on Discovery last year, following Dogish Head; seems not to have lasted past 5-6 episodes. The one that was utterly shocking was about the loss of an entire batch of 120 Minute. It's a damn difficult beer to brew -- extremely complicated, delicate, and expensive (even at ~$9 a 12 oz bottle, at it's cheapest, it's not a moneymaker for them) -- and every year it's a little different. This time, just didn't make the cut. Came out too sweet and low alcohol, because the yeast just couldn't survive long enough to get all the sugars fermented. It happens. Well, it happens on MY 5-gal scale, trying to do a Big Beer, but you never expect the pros to be dealing with the same issues. I was choking up some, watching the video of them literally pouring it all down the drainholes.

 

And that's why you haven't been able to find any 120s on the shelves for a while. At Savor, I asked a Dogfish guy about the next batch, and after a long, heavy sigh he said don't hold your breath -- if it comes out, it's going to be a very small run, very tightly distributed within a very small window. Basically, he said that this summer/fall suck up to your local Whole Foods beer guy and let him know that YOU want to know when he gets a bottle in. Some stores may not even get entire 4-packs. Don't know how much if any will get past the East Coast/mid-Atlantic. I am going to be on the hunt.

 

Yeah, novelty has definitely not worn off just yet... it's become a full-blown obsession. I'm loving it and about to start messing with my own recipes in one gallon batches, after my next one, which is a recipe for a light summer Saison. I've bought something like a dozen books on the subject and am just devouring everything I can find. Might be combining my love of beer and love of writing someplace soon...

 

Man, jealous you met Papazian. Course, his book was the first I picked up on the subject.

 

Dogfish Head is great, and I really have to watch those episodes of Brew Masters. The last episode was supposed to end with them opening up their brewpub over here in Union Square but the opening was delayed. (I really, really have to go there.) Also heard rumors that the show was canceled thanks to big beer. Shitty, if true.

post #32 of 208

Maybe you guys can help a girl out.  I love a good beer, but my constitution is just too delicate for a lot of it.  I enjoy Paulaner and various Hefe's (though sometimes Paulaner strikes me as a bit sour). Had something from Quebec recently that was lovely - I can't remember the name but it had a big schooner on the label and gold foil over the cap. 

 

I love Rising Moon, or whatever the spring ale from Blue Moon is now called, though I don't care for any other of the Blue Moon beers. 

 

I've never tried an IPA, but judging from this thread I seem to be missing out. 

 

I like beers that are crisp and finish clean -- they can be fruity or hoppy and full of flavor, but not so much that overwhelms my sensitive pallet.  I recently drank some Sam Adams Imperial White Ale and spent the 24 hours afterward hovering over the toilet.  *shudders* 

 

I loved K back when it was available, and I fully cop to the girlish cliche of being into cider, as long as it's not too sweet. 

 

So anyhow, recommendations.  Less sweet than cider.  Citrusy but not sour (or hoppy but not too bitter).  And something with a kick - for 4 and 5% ABVs I'd just as soon have a coke.

 

 

post #33 of 208

This Saturday I tried some Maredsous 6 on my sister in law who's very finicky when it comes to food and drink and had great success. It's a blonde, quite light tasting with kind of a fruity taste (mostly citrus) and 6% ABV.  If you can get your hands on it, give it a try.

 

As for myself I was in the mood for something strong and since I couldn't get my hands on any La Fin Du Monde I tried some La Bierre Du Demon. Ehh, not that impressed. It didn't suck or anything but it wasn't anything special.  

post #34 of 208

Aha!!!  Your mention of the Demon beer in relation to La Fin Du Monde jogged my memory!

 

The beer I talked about above ("something from Quebec recently that was lovely - I can't remember the name but it had a big schooner on the label and gold foil over the cap") is Don de Dieu from Unibroue.  Soooo good.

 

post #35 of 208
Thread Starter 

Love some Unibroue! 

post #36 of 208
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Dogfish Head is great, and I really have to watch those episodes of Brew Masters. The last episode was supposed to end with them opening up their brewpub over here in Union Square but the opening was delayed. (I really, really have to go there.) Also heard rumors that the show was canceled thanks to big beer. Shitty, if true.


Your last comment got me to sniffing around, and it sounds like that's the case, at least according to Anthony Bourdain -- whose No Reservations, as pointed out in the link, shared the same production company with Brew Masters. I have zero doubts this was the case, even going only by secondhand tweeted hearsay. Watching the very first ep with a friend, we kinda goggled and rolled our eyes that the very first commercial on the first commercial break was for Blue Moon. And there were no other beer ads that hour.

 

Blue Moon, for the record, is Coors. Not a small brewery purchased by Coors  -- it IS Coors. Coors invented the label to horn in on the craft market, and it's brewed at Coors facilities. Whenever I figure that's common knowledge, turns out someone else thought they were supporting a microbrew. But, Blue Moon is just another arm of what I've come to name The Monster. Miller, Coors (and MillerCoors!), Anheuser-Busch InBev. And the Monster is totally without conscience or remorse when it comes to keeping the little guy from clawing their way to, collectively, <2% of the American beer market. The Monster wants their 99%, and would prefer 100%, and then gnaw on each other's profits. So they will invent a "Blue Moon" or a "Plank Road" (Miller) or "Elk Mountain" (Bud) and take over the limited shelf space available -- seriously, distribution truck space and grocery store shelf space are the battlefields to which hardcore computer algorithms and long-term business strategies are devoted -- but at cost or a loss and certainly a lower price than the actual small-scale craft brewers can afford to sell what they've worked so hard to produce with much more limited resources. The purpose: Perhaps to make interesting beers that stretch beyond the much-maligned "American Light Pilsner"? Nope, these fake labels are created solely to put the small brewers out of business as best as possible. (Another strategy: multiple packaging systems. 6ers, 12s, cases, 15s, long packs, 30s, "cooler packs," cans and bottle versions of each, as well as creative bottle and can designs, etc. All those delivery systems for the exact same product aren't just marketing gimmicks, they quite calculatedly take up more of the limited shelf space from the competition.) It's mind-bogglingly cynical.

 

Sorry to go off on a rant there. But, The More You Know [chimes] *shooting star*

 

For a long time, even after I got into home brewing, I bore no grudge against the Big Guys. I've always been a beer geek and never a beer snob (and I still find beer snobs obnoxious when I meet em; they're usually as ignorant about beer as wine snobs are as compared with wine geeks, who can be fun to hang out with), and figured there's a time and place for every beer under the sun, even the ones that have to be so cold they drive a spike in your forehead to be at all palatable, because sometimes on a broiling day that works. And possibly all brewers have little minds, because our biggest hobgoblin is consistency* -- we're dealing with living organisms, here, and they have their own agendas -- and goddamn if the Monster isn't able to produce the same beer like clockwork. You'll even see the small brewers sigh and nod in appreciation of that. But the more I've come to learn about the Monster's business practices (and the general fucked-upedness of the U.S. post-Prohibition distribution system) I just can't in good conscience support em any longer. I'll go dry first. ......Once in a while at a baseball or MLS game, okay, after hunting the concourse for an alternative, but I always feel guilty after.

 

*Emerson's quote is actually "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- and because there is nothing foolish about wanting to make consistently good beer, I think brewers should get a philosophical pass on this one.

 

ETA: If this isn't already among your new collection of beer books, I can't recommend highly enough Beer Captured if you ever want to try cloning the pros. Possibly the single best organized homebrewing book I've ever come across. Hundreds of recipes, one page for each recipe, no wasted space. The recipes are primarily extract versions (90% of the time I go extract), but have sidebars on how to convert to partial- or all-mash. And, each page is crammed with details on the brewery and that particular beer, plus additional tips for tweaking the process, and suggestions for serving glass, temp, and food pairing. It's everything I've ever asked for in a recipe book/beer guide but can never find in one place. It really is a gift.


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Blue Moon, for the record, is Coors. Not a small brewery purchased by Coors  -- it IS Coors. Coors invented the label to horn in on the craft market, and it's brewed at Coors facilities. Whenever I figure that's common knowledge, turns out someone else thought they were supporting a microbrew. But, Blue Moon is just another arm of what I've come to name The Monster. Miller, Coors (and MillerCoors!), Anheuser-Busch InBev. And the Monster is totally without conscience or remorse when it comes to keeping the little guy from clawing their way to, collectively, <2% of the American beer market. The Monster wants their 99%, and would prefer 100%, and then gnaw on each other's profits. So they will invent a "Blue Moon" or a "Plank Road" (Miller) or "Elk Mountain" (Bud) and take over the limited shelf space available -- seriously, distribution truck space and grocery store shelf space are the battlefields to which hardcore computer algorithms and long-term business strategies are devoted -- but at cost or a loss and certainly a lower price than the actual small-scale craft brewers can afford to sell what they've worked so hard to produce with much more limited resources. The purpose: Perhaps to make interesting beers that stretch beyond the much-maligned "American Light Pilsner"? Nope, these fake labels are created solely to put the small brewers out of business as best as possible. (Another strategy: multiple packaging systems. 6ers, 12s, cases, 15s, long packs, 30s, "cooler packs," cans and bottle versions of each, as well as creative bottle and can designs, etc. All those delivery systems for the exact same product aren't just marketing gimmicks, they quite calculatedly take up more of the limited shelf space from the competition.) It's mind-bogglingly cynical.

 

Sorry to go off on a rant there. But, The More You Know [chimes] *shooting star*


 

Your post should win some sort of award or something. Has anyone seen those awful Blue Moon commercials? Way too much of an advertising budget to be a true craft brew. They gave themselves away. But I guess the true litmus test is whether or not it can be found at 7/11. You can only see that beer seated on the shelf next to Coors so many times before the gears in your head start turning. Anyway. Great post. Blue Moon is terrible. However the Wilco Tango Foxtrot last night was perfection. Not aggressive at all, actually quite a subtle taste, but dark and delicious. I followed it with a few Ranger IPA and while I am a fan, they paled in comparison. 

 

What's the consensus on New Belgium? The brewery in Fort Collins is beautiful, I know that much. Never much of a fan of Fat Tire however.

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I've always known that Blue Moon = Coors. They try very hard to hide that fact...but its true.

 

BlackyShimSham....New Belgium is incredible. Every single beer they make is worth trying. I've gone through phases where I drink only New Belgium. Of their main beers, my favorite is definitely the Ranger IPA.

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If you actually like craft beer, here are some to seek out (that a newbie actually has a shot in hell at acquiring in person or on ebay)

 

1.)Three Floyds Dark Lord Stout

2.)Portsmouth Kate the Great Stout

3.)Surly Darkness

4.)Russian River Pliny the Younger Double IPA (on tap only, once a year in February)

5.)Cantillon Saint Lamvinus (oak aged sour beer with merlot grapes)

6.)Drie Fonteinen Oude Gueuze

7.)Goose Island Rare

8.)The Bruery Black Tuesday

9.)The Alchemists Heady Topper

10.)Midnight Sun Bar Fly Stout

11.)Kern River CITRA IPA

12.)Three Floyds Dreadnaught DIPA

13.)Founders Imperial Stout

14.)On shelves now!:  Bruery Cuir

15.)Central Waters Bourbon Barrel Barleywine

16..)Bell's Hopslam

17.)Alesmith Yulesmith DIPA

18.)Alesmith IPA

19.)Alesmith Speedway Stout

 

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Your last comment got me to sniffing around, and it sounds like that's the case, at least according to Anthony Bourdain -- whose No Reservations, as pointed out in the link, shared the same production company with Brew Masters. I have zero doubts this was the case, even going only by secondhand tweeted hearsay. Watching the very first ep with a friend, we kinda goggled and rolled our eyes that the very first commercial on the first commercial break was for Blue Moon. And there were no other beer ads that hour.

 

Blue Moon, for the record, is Coors. Not a small brewery purchased by Coors  -- it IS Coors. Coors invented the label to horn in on the craft market, and it's brewed at Coors facilities. Whenever I figure that's common knowledge, turns out someone else thought they were supporting a microbrew. But, Blue Moon is just another arm of what I've come to name The Monster. Miller, Coors (and MillerCoors!), Anheuser-Busch InBev. And the Monster is totally without conscience or remorse when it comes to keeping the little guy from clawing their way to, collectively, <2% of the American beer market. The Monster wants their 99%, and would prefer 100%, and then gnaw on each other's profits. So they will invent a "Blue Moon" or a "Plank Road" (Miller) or "Elk Mountain" (Bud) and take over the limited shelf space available -- seriously, distribution truck space and grocery store shelf space are the battlefields to which hardcore computer algorithms and long-term business strategies are devoted -- but at cost or a loss and certainly a lower price than the actual small-scale craft brewers can afford to sell what they've worked so hard to produce with much more limited resources. The purpose: Perhaps to make interesting beers that stretch beyond the much-maligned "American Light Pilsner"? Nope, these fake labels are created solely to put the small brewers out of business as best as possible. (Another strategy: multiple packaging systems. 6ers, 12s, cases, 15s, long packs, 30s, "cooler packs," cans and bottle versions of each, as well as creative bottle and can designs, etc. All those delivery systems for the exact same product aren't just marketing gimmicks, they quite calculatedly take up more of the limited shelf space from the competition.) It's mind-bogglingly cynical.

 

Sorry to go off on a rant there. But, The More You Know [chimes] *shooting star*

 

For a long time, even after I got into home brewing, I bore no grudge against the Big Guys. I've always been a beer geek and never a beer snob (and I still find beer snobs obnoxious when I meet em; they're usually as ignorant about beer as wine snobs are as compared with wine geeks, who can be fun to hang out with), and figured there's a time and place for every beer under the sun, even the ones that have to be so cold they drive a spike in your forehead to be at all palatable, because sometimes on a broiling day that works. And possibly all brewers have little minds, because our biggest hobgoblin is consistency* -- we're dealing with living organisms, here, and they have their own agendas -- and goddamn if the Monster isn't able to produce the same beer like clockwork. You'll even see the small brewers sigh and nod in appreciation of that. But the more I've come to learn about the Monster's business practices (and the general fucked-upedness of the U.S. post-Prohibition distribution system) I just can't in good conscience support em any longer. I'll go dry first. ......Once in a while at a baseball or MLS game, okay, after hunting the concourse for an alternative, but I always feel guilty after.

 

*Emerson's quote is actually "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- and because there is nothing foolish about wanting to make consistently good beer, I think brewers should get a philosophical pass on this one.

 

ETA: If this isn't already among your new collection of beer books, I can't recommend highly enough Beer Captured if you ever want to try cloning the pros. Possibly the single best organized homebrewing book I've ever come across. Hundreds of recipes, one page for each recipe, no wasted space. The recipes are primarily extract versions (90% of the time I go extract), but have sidebars on how to convert to partial- or all-mash. And, each page is crammed with details on the brewery and that particular beer, plus additional tips for tweaking the process, and suggestions for serving glass, temp, and food pairing. It's everything I've ever asked for in a recipe book/beer guide but can never find in one place. It really is a gift.

 

Will pick up Beer Captured as soon as possible. Still have to get through Radical Brewing and Brewing Better Beer, heh.

 

Not sure if you've read it, but Sam Caligione's Brewing Up A Business is a great read, especially if you're as interested in Dogfish Head as you seem to be. More of a focus on the business aspect but as you know the guy loves experimenting with his beer and that he's found his niche in the market.

 

An absolutely amazing book that I'd recommend to everyone is Garrett Oliver's The Brewmaster's Table. He's the brewmaster for The Brooklyn Brewery and knows his food history and food pairings better than anyone. Went to a tasting he hosted last year and it was revelatory. Love the guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRSDbBZ4QQ

 

I don't drink Blue Moon anymore. I'm the same way as you- if it's the only option I'll grab something I'd rather not, but usually there will at least be a Sam Adams or something to drink. But any port in a storm and all that.

 

But living in NYC is great for finding good beer. I've got two beer distributors within walking distance (one of which fills growlers and recently had the limited release of Blue Point's Toxic Sludge Black IPA- one of my favorite recent beers) and a billion bodegas that have ridiculous selections. Just today I picked up a Sierra Nevada Torpedo and a Six Point Bengali Tiger 4-pack at a crappy little supermarket nearby.

 

Plus, it's so damn easy to brew your own. My latest project is hard apple cider, with some cider I picked up from a local farmer's market and some champagne yeast. We'll see how it turns out...

 

 

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But living in NYC is great for finding good beer.

 


 

Aye, Asheville is an amazing place to live if you love beer. We've been voted "Beer City, USA" three years running. We've got 10 amazing craft breweries here, a world renowned specialty beer shop (Bruisin Ales), one of the best beer festivals in the country (Brewgrass Festival) and grocers like Earth Fare and Greenlife/Whole Foods that sell pretty much only craft brews. This city practically runs on beer.

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Yes to just about all of Overlord's list, and there's a couple I'm unfamiliar with and am writing down. Thanks!

 

However, it pains me to say that Goose Island was bought out this year by Anheuser Busch. Does that mean their beer will suck now? No, they'll probably continue making the same good beer for a bit, so enjoy your GI favorites for now. The tragedy is, don't be surprised eventually to see the UberBeanCounters do their math and recalculate quality-of-means-and-ingredients-versus-potential-volume-sales and other horrible stuff. In the meantime, they're just another soggoth-arm of the Monster. Shit breaks my heart.

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I'm heartened by the fact that someone actually knew a good percentage of those beers

 

Rare was going to be a one-off (so were the Vanilla and Coffee variations, for that matter) so the buy-out doesn't matter too much for that particular beer.

 

Many folks don't realize that the U.S. has the largest number of great brewers and great beers by a wide margin (though Belgium has us beat on a per capita basis ... those monks brew some good beer, particularly the Westvleteren abbey).  Germany, while the average beer is pretty darned good, in my opinion only has one truly great, world class, incredible brew: Andescher doppelbock dunkel (tough to find here in the U.S.).

 

If anyone out there wants a list of "White Whales," the most sought-after/greatest/rarest beers in the recent history of beerdom, try to find these:

 

1.)Drie Fonteinen 1999 Framboos

2.)Midnights Sun M

3.)Veritas 004, Isabelle Proximus, or Yellow Bus by Lost Abbey

4.)Hair of the Dog Dave

5.)Struise Dirty Horse

6.)Cantillon Blabaer, Soleil de Minuet, Don Quijote, or Loerik

7.)Drie Fonteinen Blauw, Roos, Millenium, or Hommage

8.)Eclipse 50/50 Pappy Van Winkle barrel aged

9.)Flossmoor Station's Wooden Hell

10.)Melange No. 3, the Bruery

 

 

 

 

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So here is what I am drinking tonight:

Dogfish Head's Robert Johnson's Hellhound in my Ale. A specialty ale celebrating Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. 10% ABV. A super-hoppy ale that hits 100 IBUs in the brewhouse. Dry hopped with 100% centennial hops at a rate of 100 kilos per 100 barrel brew length. They add dried lemon peel and flesh to the brew to add to the already citrusy taste of the centennial hops. This thing is delicious! 

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4.)Hair of the Dog Dave

 



THIS! Incredible beer!

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Popped open the Sierra Nevada Ovila Abbey Dubbel tonight. Pretty damn fantastic. Rich, malty, sweet, with an aroma that's heady and a mix of fruit and spices with a hint of cloves, raisin, and black pepper that comes from the abbey-style yeast used.

 

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There's another of these Sierra Nevada Ovila Abbey brews out, it's called Saison Farmhouse Ale. It was released in June, so you should be able to still find it. I know I'll be going to look tomorrow!

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So for those that have had it before...what are people's opinions on Brewery Ommegang's Three Philosophers Quadrupel? I have to say its one of the best beers I've had in awhile. If you can find it, do so right away!

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So here is what I am drinking tonight:

Dogfish Head's Robert Johnson's Hellhound in my Ale. A specialty ale celebrating Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. 10% ABV. A super-hoppy ale that hits 100 IBUs in the brewhouse. Dry hopped with 100% centennial hops at a rate of 100 kilos per 100 barrel brew length. They add dried lemon peel and flesh to the brew to add to the already citrusy taste of the centennial hops. This thing is delicious! 

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Woah. Excellent beer right there. Thanks for reminding me, I've got to track it down now. That goes for most of the beers Overlord listed as well; I'm actively expanding my beer budget as a result of this discussion.

 

Last night I had a Hercules Double IPA from the Great Divide Brewing Company. Whew. I don't know if it had something to do with the Lagunitas I consumed beforehand or what, but finishing that bottle was somewhat punishing. Delicious, delicious punishment. Details after are hazy. Yeah, it was one of those "drinking to get drunk" nights, as opposed to "drinking to sample great beer" nights. Usually when I'm on a tear I stay away from the formidable brands, but lately I figure it's go big or go home.

 

Went to trendy german sausage house WurstKuche in LA the other night. I love that place, even if it is too cool for school. Impressive beer selection. I got my hands on some Optimator, haven't had that since Oktoberfest of last year.

 

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I love you beer-swilling mofos.  Being as I live in the cultural black hole that is the Missouri bootheel, the best I can hope for is the occasional delivery of something from Boulevard Brewery in KC.  Otherwise, it's whatever they got over at Wal-mart.  Which isn't worth my time.

 

I used to love to play the brewpubs in KC and St Louis.  It was utterly worth the "free drinks and whatever you get from the cover" to do those gigs.

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Woah. Excellent beer right there. Thanks for reminding me, I've got to track it down now. That goes for most of the beers Overlord listed as well; I'm actively expanding my beer budget as a result of this discussion.

 


Yeah, that Dogfish Head's Hellhound in my Ale is awesome. Definitely worth tracking down asap. Super-hoppy, super delicious, and super-easy going down.

 

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