Norway Terrorism

Apparently, the shooter was 32 year old Anders Behring Breivik, a Right Wing Nationalist.

How killing 80 people (mostly children) could further any political agenda is beyond me. This is just sickening.

Looking like the killer is a white guy and not some Islamic terrorism.

Just looked up the Norway gun laws and they seem to be stricter than the US

Rather shocking to get that many people as a lone shooter.  Can't imagine the reason behind this

It pisses me off that the main picture of this lunatic is with a lambskin apron.  To say that this is un-Masonic behaviour is an understatement.

The shooter wants to share his motivations to the public in a court hearing today. It's still unclear whether it will be an open hearing because there is a risk the public wants to lynch the motherfucker.

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Originally Posted by Judas Booth 

It pisses me off that the main picture of this lunatic is with a lambskin apron.  To say that this is un-Masonic behaviour is an understatement.

Don't worry about it, no one is bothering with this. Everyone is occupied with trying to put the fact they started screaming "Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda!" before the dust even settled and calling him an extremist rather than a terrorist. The loons that would usually be screaming about Masonic plots are too busy doing backflips trying to disassociate their brand of bullshit from his.

Interesting factoid - the MAXIMUM prison sentence in Norway is 21 years.

I wonder what they'll do with this guy.

I read up on this. There is what they call preventative imprisonment. If an inmate is deemed a continuous danger to society his sentence can be extended every five years, indefinitely. He's never getting out of jail, don't worry.

One of the more interesting things about this is that it's one of the first right-wing terror attacks in Europe for decades. Last year there were roughly 40 left-wing terror attacks throughout Europe.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-europol-plans-task-force-norway-154842380.html

The most shocking thing about the attack is the sheer savagery of it, but it's almost fascinating in how politically isolated it is. I think that's one of the reasons why so many news-sources jumped the gun with the Al-Qaeda stuff. I was reading today that Norwegian authorities had roughly 40 people on watch-lists for right-wing extremism. In comparison to roughly 10,000 people in Britain and around 25,000 in France.

People jumped on the AQ bandwangon because they have previous with these types of attacks. I don't get some of the Internet's anger that there was speculation AQ carried this out when they (AQ) are scum of the highest order.

They are scum of the highest order. But of the hundreds of terror attacks that have taken place in Europe over the last decade they've been responsible for just over a dozen. Outside of Spain and the UK Al-Qaeda have launched 0 terror attacks in Europe in the last decade. I'm also frustrated that they're referring to him as a lone-gunman now and not a terrorist.

I think he's a Lone Gunman in the media's eyes because he killed first and then made his case, so to speak. When AQ and their like announced their aims and then began plotting against the West, with the old "do as we demand or else the bombs start".

This moron is more on the same level as the serial killer who can't stand hookers.

The asshole has written a 1500 page document in which he shares his world views. It also includes some bomb recipes and such and fucked up photographs of him in different poses and clothing.

Reading some of the stuff makes it pretty evident that this guy and reality went separate ways a long time ago.

Crazy Norwegian bastard, shooting up the place like that. Where's Moffat when you need him?

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

They are scum of the highest order. But of the hundreds of terror attacks that have taken place in Europe over the last decade they've been responsible for just over a dozen. Outside of Spain and the UK Al-Qaeda have launched 0 terror attacks in Europe in the last decade. I'm also frustrated that they're referring to him as a lone-gunman now and not a terrorist.

According to EU official statistics, there were 296 successful and attempted terrorist attacks across Europe in 2010.  Only one was an unsuccessful attack by a Islamic terrorist. 

This can be seen as the epitome of anti-immigration and anti-Islam sentiments and political parties that have gotten more and more accepted in Scandinavia during the last few years. If there's an upside to this tragedy, it's going to be the fall of these assholes.

Yup. For all that loon's talk about master plans and manifestos, he's practically buried anti-immigration parties in Europe beneath a tonne of shit. As of now, both the mainstream right and the left are sharpening their knives waiting for one of them to come out of silent running so they can attack.

I kind of wish the public had a better memory, because I distinctly remember David Cameron speechifying about an end to multiculturalism and a change to legal systems to stop funding for 'non-British' projects a few months ago. I was always surprised a bigger deal wasn't made about that.

Anders might have fucked over the EDL though, which is good because they were starting to get a little momentum these past months.

why is Glenn Beck such a total fucking arsehole:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5342349/Glenn-Beck-in-trouble-over-Norway-Hitler-Youth-jibe

oh that's right - because his audience laps that shit up.

The corrupt logic it takes for someone to twist and turn this back on Muslims and Islam, which is exactly what Glenn Beck has done, is truly one of the most amazing and tortuous feats of sub-intellectual gymnastics I've ever seen.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660257/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breiviks-cultural-references.html

can't wait to watch the good natured ribbing Clarkson gets from the other guys... they are so hilarious, I live for their merry banter

So he was inspired by Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, Edmund Burke AND Ayn Rand?

I think he may have missed the point with a couple of those. I also love that he has TWO Ayn Rand books. Always knew we should keep an eye on those objectivists.

Morrissey, you idiot.

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Morrissey, you idiot.

I love The Smiths more than breathing but it's gettin' real hard to defend this fat twit.

Idiot seems like it's letting him off easy. I mean, I can see where his though process started, the motivation behind it and how it would end up where it did. That is if you presuppose a certain degree of sociopathy.

I understood that the fucker had a plan to raise 25 million to market his so called book (the 1500-page psycho manual). This failed when his stocks plummeted. The bombing + mass murder was plan B. Any publicity is..?

Jon Stewart has redeemed himself slightly with this story.  His Fox News "special victims unit" segment was brilliant. 

Presenting Melanie Phillips: Britain's Answer To Ann Coulter.

I can't put into words how odious I find this woman. her handwringing at the end of this piece about her own articles and personal safety make me feel sick.

ISLAMIZATION? WHAT FUCKING ISLAMIZATION? MOTHERFUCKING CUNT!

What the fuck are half of their buzzwords even supposed to mean? God fucking forbid they have to bear to look at someone that looks and acts differently than them and their fucking school buttbuddies. Racist pieces of shit. Western culture survived her fucking ancestors dragging their animal carcass wearing, water averse asses out of the woods and into the civilized world. Western culture will survive a few million Muslim immigrants. You know why? Because that's what Western culture has been doing for thousands of years. The only actual threat to the West is listening to her and those like minded. 

She's a racist AND a pussy. And turning the Norway killings into a "poor me" screed because people are daring to question the exclusionist rhetoric in the wake of such a tragedy is borderline psychopathic. The Left have put up with being called terrorist sympathisers/enablers/cronies - often by Phillips herslef - for close to ten years without writing pitiful columns about how unfair it is, and now that she's got a taste of what that's like she's crying foul. She's a truly nasty piece of work.

This is a woman who released a book entitled Londonistan: How Britain Is Creating A Terror State Within, and she has the temerity to throw up her hands and wail "not me!" when people start talking about the dangers of rightwing bloviating. Just to be clear, Melanie - there are levelheaded conservatives willing to talk openly and honestly about the problems of immigration without becoming screeching lunatics, but you are definitely not one of them.

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She's a racist AND a pussy. 

 

That's one of the things that bother me the most with these "culture warriors." They're pussies. "Oh noes, we'll have Sahria in Europe!" No, we fucking won't. You know why? Because assimilation and homogenization of people is one of the Western culture's strongest characteristics. We're exceedingly good at it. There isn't a tradition old enough, a power structure entrenched enough that can withstand this, finely tuned to humanity's most fundamental desires, juggernaut that the Western civilization has become. It is not even a contest. Hence, all the other cultures slowly becoming minorities, even in their own birthplaces. 

And you know what? Even if push comes to shove and their much vaunted culture war comes to pass, it will be a blowout. Because even when it comes to efficient, inhumanly scaled, cold butchery, the West is still leagues ahead of the competition.  

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That's one of the things that bother me the most with these "culture warriors." They're pussies. "Oh noes, we'll have Sahria in Europe!" No, we fucking won't. You know why? Because assimilation and homogenization of people is one of the Western culture's strongest characteristics. We're exceedingly good at it. There isn't a tradition old enough, a power structure entrenched enough that can withstand this, finely tuned to humanity's most fundamental desires, juggernaut that the Western civilization has become. It is not even a contest. Hence, all the other cultures slowly becoming minorities, even in their own birthplaces. 

 

And you know what? Even if push comes to shove and their much vaunted culture war comes to pass, it will be a blowout. Because even when it comes to efficient, inhumanly scaled, cold butchery, the West is still leagues ahead of the competition.  

I have to disagree here with you, Stelios, because the people within a culture choose to assimilate or not; culture does not assimilate of its own volition.  The exact problem with multicuturalism is that it teaches that assimilation is death to the newcomer.  It is anathema to the melting pot ideal.  U.S. immigrants prior to the advent of multicuturalism prodded their children to become Americans, to divest themselves of languages and customs in order to become one with their new land.  Today immigrants are openly hostile to assimilation.  There is, in general, no urging of successive generations to blend in for fear of losing some sort of national identity in favor of their new national identity.

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 Today immigrants are openly hostile to assimilation.

Oh, come ON. Do they make your child share his crayons too?

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Today immigrants are openly hostile to assimilation. 

I think that is true only to an extent - it's all dependent on the proximity and ties to the country of origin.  You can see a vast difference between Mexican immigrants in the southwest compared to Mexican immigrants in Chicago or Detroit.  The further away you travel, the greater a necessity assimilation becomes.
 

Oh to be sure.  I don't recall marches and demonstrations openly identifying the participants as an invading force reclaiming stolen land outside of Texas, California and other border states.  The following sentence had the "in general" to clarify both statements.  However, the hostility may not be as open but failure to assimilate by "omission" is still in effect as there still exists a lack of prodding and pushing to learn English(albeit not a recognized state language) and assimilate to the extent that European immigrants did.

And I would daresay that expanding the conversation to Europe that Islamic immigrants are resisting assimilation as well in a similar manner.  In deference to stelios' oft-repeated admonitions though this is based upon my reading of the media's characterizations of situations abroad.  Most notably these conclusions are drawn from the French riots a few years back which seemed to be in "Islamic neighborhoods" and comprised mostly of "Islamic students".

I think that Islam is a special case.  Going back to the Mexican immigrants example, Mexican culture isn't as closely tied to their religion, and even if it was it would jive with the predominant religion(s) here in the states.

Not only does Islam as a religion essentially define the culture of the majority of countries where Islam is the predominant religion, but it's compounded by the fact that it's so at odds with the status quo.

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I think that Islam is a special case.  Going back to the Mexican immigrants example, Mexican culture isn't as closely tied to their religion, and even if it was it would jive with the predominant religion(s) here in the states.

 

Not only does Islam as a religion essentially define the culture of the majority of countries where Islam is the predominant religion, but it's compounded by the fact that it's so at odds with the status quo.

Which would actually lend weight to the idea of Islamicization of European cultures, yes?  Especially given the history of the two cultures.

And back to Mexican immigrants that is precisely why they are getting the rub in the U.S. I believe because absent the religion defining culture they approximate Ellis Island immigrants moreso and the lack of assimilation by the subsequent generation(s) are baffling to people based upon what could be likened to stelios' observation of the Western culture's assimilating properties.

No, because even those who stay grouped together aren't making any inroads into having their culture accepted as the norm, or their views enshrined into law. It's baseless scaremongering.

People, I've lived for years in a region with a 50% Muslim population. I'm not talking out of my ass. Try as they might, there was an age below which it was impossible to distinguish between members of each culture. Give it a generation, two if the old people are really determined, but assimilation is going to happen. You just have to not make the others feel like shit and act defensively. 

Trial has begun:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17724535

I'm reading comments from friends in the Eurozone defending the 21-year sentencing limit.  Fair enough, though to me, it seems incredibly lenient.