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Honest-to-god, the most fun, carefree blockbuster I've seen in years. Totally unpretentious, silly, funny and really well-paced. Points docked for a somewhat draggy third act, but otherwise, totally satisfying.

 

The ads are not selling how much of a western this is. Oddly enough, the ads also aren't showing the aliens. Don't fret, there is a LOT of alien stuff in this. They look like Pumpkinhead as drawn by Todd MacFarlane. I was honestly just happy to see another onscreen alien that I didn't have to feel sorry for or sympathize with. These fuckers are ugly, mean, and they only want GOLD.

 

Daniel Craig is fucking ACES in this. Totally badass, stoic, tough, and a bit unpredictable. Harrison Ford is pretty grumpy, but he gets lots of great character moments. Some of the best stuff in the movie is when it slows down and lets the actors run wild, which is kind of Favreau's strong suit. Come for the aliens, stay for lengthy scenes between Sam Rockwell and Clancy Brown, or Paul Dano mouthing off to Keith Carradine.

 

Really lots of fun.

post #2 of 75

Sold.

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Knowing how picky you can be (which I love about you, Gabe), I am now officially excited for this.  And I had gotten to the point where it felt like the movie had come and gone and disappeared.

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The simple fact that Faverau was able to get a candid, affable, engaging interview out of Harrison Ford (which NO ONE in the last three decades has managed) has me excited about the prospects of what this film might be. The short clip that played on Letterman the other night notched it up a bunch too. Somewhere along the way, an honest-to-Cthulhu WESTERN got made here.

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Favreau and Craig meant this was a must see. Glad to hear positive early word.

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How's Olivia Wilde in this?

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Honest-to-god, the most fun, carefree blockbuster I've seen in years. Totally unpretentious, silly, funny and really well-paced. Points docked for a somewhat draggy third act, but otherwise, totally satisfying.

 

The ads are not selling how much of a western this is. Oddly enough, the ads also aren't showing the aliens. Don't fret, there is a LOT of alien stuff in this. They look like Pumpkinhead as drawn by Todd MacFarlane. I was honestly just happy to see another onscreen alien that I didn't have to feel sorry for or sympathize with.


 

How many of these have we had in the last 10 years, though? Paul is pretty much the only example I can think of where the aliens weren't mass-murdering tripedal pricks.

 

 

 

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Daniel Craig is fucking ACES in this. Totally badass, stoic, tough, and a bit unpredictable. Harrison Ford is pretty grumpy, but he gets lots of great character moments. Some of the best stuff in the movie is when it slows down and lets the actors run wild, which is kind of Favreau's strong suit. Come for the aliens, stay for lengthy scenes between Sam Rockwell and Clancy Brown, or Paul Dano mouthing off to Keith Carradine.

 

Not that this didn't just guarantee my ass in a seat Friday, mind you.

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How many of these have we had in the last 10 years, though? Paul is pretty much the only example I can think of where the aliens weren't mass-murdering tripedal pricks.

 

I feel like, more often than not, they're supposed to be some HUGE WALKING METAPHOR if they aren't outright friendly.  The beasts in this will just tear your face off.
 

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How's Olivia Wilde in this?


She looks great (GREAT), but she is kind of an exposition machine. And she pulls off a couple of amazing moments and stunts, and the only justification for them seems to be

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well, she's an alien, so she can do that, I guess.

Also, I forgot to mention Walton Goggins getting some meaty screentime in this, he's quite funny.

post #10 of 75

Whilst I'm glad there's a little positive buzz about this, I'm holding judgement until we've got an opinion from someone who isn't a goddamn psycho.

post #11 of 75
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Thanks Spike. Remind me to send you a Christmas card.

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Thanks Spike. Remind me to send you a Christmas card.


To be honest I could do without a card made from the rotten flesh of dead pornstars. But thanks for the thought.

post #13 of 75

I and many others have had issues with Gabe in the past, but none since his most recent login. Especially since he's one of the few still talking film in any significant way.

 

In short, curb that shit, Spike.

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Spike, I've never said anything rotten about you. But keep on with the greatest hits.

Thanks, Justin.

 

To keep this on topic, I don't want to sound like a cheerleader about this movie, and I'm sure others will not be as enthusiastic.

But I saw it on the same day as Captain America (which I also really liked) and you can tell the difference between a faceless director like Joe Johnston and someone like Jon Favreau, who has learned so effortlessly to parse out these big action sequences and still find time for clever character moments.

There's one fantastic moment that has no real bearing on the film beyond a superficial level, but it allows Ford to give this really disturbing monologue about how he killed a man. He tells the story to this little kid and gives him a knife and says, "Be a man." This is, of course, in response to the child saying he was "scared." I don't think another director would have found time for that sort of moment.

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you can tell the difference between a faceless director like Joe Johnston and someone like Jon Favreau, who has learned so effortlessly to parse out these big action sequences and still find time for clever character moments.


Where was the Favs during IRON MAN 2zzzz?

 

post #16 of 75

This is the first good word I've heard about it, but not the first word I've heard. I've heard a lot of negative reactions from the Comic-con screening.

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... parse out these big action sequences and still find time for clever character moments.

 

Funny.  That's how I'd describe what Johnston & Co did with Captain America.  I'm waiting for a consensus of opinion on this new one.

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Where was the Favs during IRON MAN 2zzzz?

 


Ya know I didn't hate Iron man 2 but I know it wasn't as good as the first. However the more I have watched it the more I find it really does work. Again not as well as the first one but it's not a bad film.

 

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This is the first good word I've heard about it, but not the first word I've heard. I've heard a lot of negative reactions from the Comic-con screening.


It's possible that some people may be critical of the ending, where my mind did start to wander. But I thought the first two acts were so good and tight that the somewhat-obligatory battle royale at the end (cowboys and Indians vs. aliens) feels like it kind of puts it to the side in favor of empty theatrics. I wouldn't be surprised if I was in the minority, but I really think when it worked, it worked gangbusters.

 

Reading Drew's review, I think he makes some good points, but they seem pedantic in light of the film's character bits and the clever action sequences of the first two acts.

 

I would like to know what people think of the relationship between Ford and Adam Beach in the movie, preferably to hear from someone smarter than me. It didn't bother me, but it certainly was... interesting.

post #20 of 75

My anticipation for this movie has jumped up considerably in the past few weeks, so I'm really looking forward to seeing the midnight show this thursday night. Glad to hear it delivers. Had fun with Captain America, and this should be a lot of fun too.

post #21 of 75

Iron Man 2 isn't bad. It is actually a legitimately good movie.

 

I hope this succeeds because I think Favreau, while not a visionary by any means, is a good guy, a great entertainer, has his heart in the right place, and has effectively plugged an IV drip into the arm of fan culture. I think Iron Man is more in his wheelhouse, where he can marry the acerbic wit with the spectacle and come out with something more original and more recognizable as his, as opposed to Cowboys which is trying to play its self-consciously contrived concept with a straight face -- but ultimately I just want a great story out of the deal, and I think Favreau is very conscious of what constitutes that. Hopefully Cowboys & Aliens will serve as further evidence.

post #22 of 75

There is nothing thats good about Iron Man 2. Its a forgettable hodgepodge of a sequel that just about killed that characters interest for me.

 

Favreau pretty much hinted that Marvel and Paramount mucked with the movie though.

 

Glad they brought Shane Black on board for the sequel.

post #23 of 75

Am I the only one who liked Iron Man 2?

 

Glad this film has some promise, I have been looking forward to it.

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Am I the only one who liked Iron Man 2?


Nope. That's one that gets better with consecutive viewings. While Iron Man 2 is a lousy "Iron Man" film, it's a cracking "Tony Stark" movie.

 

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Nope. That's one that gets better with consecutive viewings. While Iron Man 2 is a lousy "Iron Man" film, it's a cracking "Tony Stark" movie.

 

A million times this.

 

post #26 of 75

Yup yup yup.  I found Iron Man 2 disappointing on first watch.  I just found it lacking.  It ended up working a lot better on 2nd viewing.  It's heavily flawed, but there was good stuff in it.  Agree with it being a good "Tony Stark" movie.

post #27 of 75

I've heard nothing but good things about this movie. Can't wait!

post #28 of 75

It's not Gabe's history of weirdness around here that gives me pause about his opinion, it's his Armond White-like posturing as an above-the-fray champion of cinema. Well, that and the fact that everyone else who's seen it either hates it or was bored by it.

 

Also, IRON MAN 2 is just fine, thanks.

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Am I the only one who liked Iron Man 2?

 

Glad this film has some promise, I have been looking forward to it.


I've never disagreed with anything you've said and I'll be damned if I'm going to start now. I love Iron Man 2, it has it's problems and desperately needs a more satisfying climax but I think its a fine film.
 

 

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I recently tweeted that some Lament Configuration of action films I've watched in sequence recently has apparently broken all of my tolerance for bland, boring bullshit. So take that into account when I say, "fucking boring."

 

Fucking boring.

 

Like Cap, it's by no means aggressively bad, hate-the-audience stupidity, so don't infer that from my comments. What I'm wondering is what Favreau, Spielberg, and Howard saw in this script that was worth their considerable combined power and efforts.

 

Craig is a human being I like to watch do things, and that's not any less true in this movie, but there's absolutely nothing special about what he had to do or say here. Ford is decent, which I guess if you have some nostalgic desire to see him not be garbage in a movie, that's worthwhile. And his father/son thematic stuff is the only blip of interest in the whole thing, so there's that.

 

The aliens are bland, their ships are bland, their HQ is bland, the fights are bland... the action in general isn't cut to ribbons, or incomprehensible, it's just not exciting. The action climax for Craig is him quite literally standing stationary at the end of the hall and blasting a dozen aliens one-by-one as they crawl down a hall. I'm not downplaying the scene- that's how it happens.

 

The idea that this is a great western in-disguise is an affront to the genre, and laughable when a movie like True Grit so recently graced screens.

 

People keep lamenting the gross of Transformers and sarcastically remark that we get what we deserve by supporting it. Well I'd counter that if geeks keep propping up and supporting worthless, opposite-of-inventive action in their films, then we deserve the bland, unexciting pap that will result (and already has). We can go ahead and feel very smart and discerning for making a laughing stock of Sucker Punch or Dark of the Moon, but the joke will ultimately be on us when we've dismissed every director who gives a shit about engineering an action sequence with an understanding of kinetics, the accumulation of momentum, visual flow, and all the other artful effort that goes into making spectacle that actually causes chemical, adrenal reactions and raises hairs. The idea that those films sacrifice character and emotion for their spectacle is accurate enough, but it's ridiculous to suggest that these geek blockbusters and superhero events are bringing anything special to the character/thematic table themselves, much less anything worth mounting dull action onto.

 

I'm frustrated. I literally walked from a screening of The Smurfs into this and the bar was still not dragged low enough for me to give this a pass. Go see Crazy, Stupid Love if Attack The Block isn't in your city this weekend.

 

post #32 of 75
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Guess I was in a good mood when I saw it.

But yes, Attack The Block is by far the more preferable option.

post #33 of 75

I think I really reached a similar Action Movie Lament Configuration several years ago when At World's End and Spider-man 3 bored the crap out of me.  Sucker Punch.  Tron Legacy.  Transformers 3.  Avatar.

 

Captain America really only gets a pass with me because I dug its old-fashioned sensibilities along with the affection I felt for the main character, but even that movie whimpered to a close by the time it got to the end.  That's actually not too far off from what the first Iron Man was like.

 

It's really a shame, because I LOVE action movies.

 

 

post #34 of 75

Yeah, I'm nostalgic for the 90's when they made all those great, thought-provoking blockbusters.

 

Renn, I'm just not seeing why you think were in some dark period of mediocre blockbusters. Aside from a brief, golden time in the 80's, blockbusters have pretty much been middle of the road fare. They're certainly not any worse on the average right now in my opinion. Some are good, some are bad, some are mediocre. I think you're just experiencing burnout.

 

I'm not saying that you're wrong and that we shouldn't demand more, but it's a campaign you maybe should have started in 1985.

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Some of us are also getting old. Though I went through a pretty pessimistic "hate all blockbusters" phase for awhile there. I think it's doubled back over to "Oh, well, this and that was amusing." As long as a movie isn't fucking evil like Transformers, there's usually SOMETHING I find liking. I think I'm more anti-middlebrow studio now more than anything - I hated the SHIT out of Crazy Stupid Love.

post #36 of 75

You keep trying to convince me that I'm "burnt out." The huge blockbuster I thoroughly enjoyed less than a month ago keeps trying to convince you you're wrong.

 

And I don't know what grand narrative of quality decline you think I'm trying to write. The point is that the idea that buying a movie ticket to Transformers is somehow more damaging than buying one to C&A is silly with a capital bullshit. That's what my point/counter-point (which I am quite convinced isn't aimed at some nebulous straw-man) is saying, not that any of these films are 9/11.

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Some of us are also getting old. Though I went through a pretty pessimistic "hate all blockbusters" phase for awhile there. I think it's doubled back over to "Oh, well, this and that was amusing." As long as a movie isn't fucking evil like Transformers, there's usually SOMETHING I find liking. I think I'm more anti-middlebrow studio now more than anything - I hated the SHIT out of Crazy Stupid Love.



And that's where we differ. From where I sit, there is no better definition of "middlebrow studio" than Cowboys, whereas Transformers (for example) is very distinctly, very effectively doing something, even if Bay has become some boogeyman.

post #38 of 75

Yeah, say what you will about the tenets of Michael Bay movies, at least they've got an ethos.

post #39 of 75

Since they're not genocidin' anybody... yeah, I'll roll with that.

post #40 of 75

It's a fucking awful ethos, though. I don't think we should be giving Bay a free pass just because he's doing something when that something is showing what a racist, sexist prick he is.

post #41 of 75
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And that's where we differ. From where I sit, there is no better definition of "middlebrow studio" than Cowboys, whereas Transformers (for example) is very distinctly, very effectively doing something, even if Bay has become some boogeyman.


Forgive me, but I meant "middlebrow mid-budget." As in, the non-tentpoles, like the aforementioned Crazy Stupid Love.

 

Though you make an interesting point. Is it better to have a viewpoint that is, as I said, fucking evil, than it is to have no viewpoint? Age-old debate, here extending to Bay vs. Favreau, Joe Johnston, etc. This wouldn't be the first or last place this discussion has emerged. Though I do think there's enough wit in Favreau's action sequences to make it a little more than faceless - I think there are a couple of amusing sequences (the aliens blow up the cows, for example) that suggest Favreau's emphasis on low-fi ways of depicting the extraordinary.

 

Now, the argument is whether there are any ideas in this movie. I would say, no, not really. I did find that it worked in spite of this (and I don't understand Devin's review - I was NEVER bored, but "bored" is never a word I like to use anyway). The movie is relentlessly about ITSELF, and in ITSELF, you have a Silverado-type western (i.e. not 100% authentic-feeling, but great-looking) mixed in with some, yes, second-rate alien theatrics. Add in the fairly pleasurable cast and some of the character beats (mostly Ford, though Rockwell gets some fun stuff to do) and I thought that, up until the third act, this was a seriously above average film of its type.

 

"Of its type" becomes the key phrase here, I suppose. If you are around some arthouses, "The Future," "Attack The Block," "Point Blank" and "The Guard" come out this weekend. I've seen those and I would personally prefer them.

post #42 of 75

Daniel Craig as such an interesting choice for a western hero to me. He's like John Wayne trapped in Steve McQueen's body or something.


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Good review, Renn.  Keep 'em coming.  Haters gon' hate.

 

I'll probably be seeing it this weekend because my dad wants to give this a go.  I was sort of looking at this one as potentially being a Curse of the Black Pearl-style sleeper hit, but from the looks of things, I was wrong.

post #45 of 75

I'm not a fan of the western genre but I'm not against it either. Personally, The Good The Bad and The Ugly/Once Upon a Time in the West and Unforgiven are the only three westerns that I actually love. It's just that this looks like typical "high concept" garbage mixed in with generic action cliches. Give me a western sci-fi movie similar to something like Fire in the Sky or how about a western set version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Western/Horror is something that hasn't been given much attention and I personally would love to see an adaptation of Joe R. Lansdale's Dead in the West. Jonah Hex was a fucking abomination.

 

But Cowboys & Alien's? Even the title is fucking stupid. Fuck this movie.

post #46 of 75

Good review but lost me at the Human Centipede comparison. I love that movie and I think it took great advantage of the concept.

post #47 of 75

I went ahead and yanked that sentence Evi- I still believe it, but I see way too much derailing and missed points in this review's future. Not so clever a comparison that it's worth it.

post #48 of 75

I'm still going to see it, call me a tool if you want but the prospect of a decent Ford performance is enough to get my butt in the seat. Mind you I still havent seen Green Lantern, DH part 2 or Transformers as yet - stupied job.

post #49 of 75

I enjoyed this more than Cap, but not by much. (Keep in mind, I think I'm the only one who agreed with Renn about Cap, so take that for what you will.) Our theater at midnight had probably less than 15 people in it, which made it doubly weird after the recent Potter and America screenings.

post #50 of 75

I think Renn's assessment above and his review are spot on, with two exceptions, which I'll get to in a moment. But overall he's completely correct: a very talented cast is utterly wasted on a barely scripted story, filled with stock characters, cliched "arcs" and lines, and emotionless deaths and sacrifices. Craig is eminently watchable as ever, and from what I've read, the decision to really pare down his character's dialogue was the right one. He does a lot with just looks and body language, and with a script this awful, the fewer lines he has, the better. And they have Clancy Brown as a moonshine-swilling, swearing preacher....and yet he, too, is wasted. CLANCY BROWN! With that voice, face and experience, he should have been a memorable, distinct supporting character. But nope: like Rockwell, like Ford, wasted.

 

Ford was trying. He really was. But his part was underwritten as well as poorly written. The death scene with Adam Beach was guffaw worthy.

 

Here's where I disagree with Renn:

 

1. I liked the creature designs. They were menacing, scary, and very well done. I liked that they weren't overly complicated and the primate body model with a reptilian/amphibian hide was pretty cool.

 

2. The movie took a hard turn down the toilet when we learn the truth about Olivia Wilde's character. The film swirled down the shitter at that point, and never came back up for air. Much of the second and the entire third act felt almost improv'ed, and were not earned nor did they resonate.

 

Skip it, or wait for the DVD/streaming option.

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