THE NINTENDO 3DS GETS A MASSIVE PRICE DROP

I haven't had anything to do with Nintendo since 1992. Those morons keep putting out one stupid gimmick after another rather than, say, making some good fucking games. Remember the Power Glove? That stupid 3D eyemask thing they had that comprised of red wireframe graphic? The wii? Fuck off.

Are you really trying to say that Nintendo hasn't made a good game since 1992?

Jeez.

Anyway, it was painfully apparent that there was no way the market would accept the 3DS and the Vita being the same price.  

The 3DS's lack of success is really one of the most surprising stories in gaming.  Everyone, myself included, thought this would be absolutely huge.  I'm not sure why it didn't catch on with the kiddies, but it still has time.  The 3ds took a while to reach its zenith.   

Its a great little system that wouldn't have had this problem had they launched it with a stronger library of titles, and the ones that everyone wanted suddenly vanishing into thin air, or being pushed back. Wait till the holidays before crying gloom and doom for Nintendo.

The Wii, on the other hand, is dying screaming. And I am filled with glee about it.

Yea, I'm also happy the WI has been dying out for a while.  But, I think the damage has already been done.  Just look at MS's horrible first party lineup.  So much of it is dominated by sure to be futile Kinect games, as evidenced by this years E3.  I really hope this motion bs doesn't infect Sony and MS's next gen, although I think it pretty much has to have some component of motion controls.

I haven't played the 3ds, but I've heard the 3d is pretty mediocre.  Nothing special, is what people have told me.  I even heard Zelda is served better when played with the 3d off.  But the games lineup is definitely a reason the system hasn't become has big as it was expected to be; there's lots of rehashed games.

Wii Haters make me sad. The MARIO GALAXY titles are the most pure fun you can have with a gaming console.

There's no doubt WII has had some good games, but that's because Nintendo tend to make good games.  I also think the Mario Galaxy games were probably the best of the lot, hardly representative of the WII catalogue.  There just weren't nearly enough good games on the console.  A few good games does not make a good console.  The fact software sales and attach ratio were generally terrible on the WII proves people agree.  The biggest criticism of the WII is most of those games would've worked better on a regular controller imo; my problem is with the motion control scheme not with Nintendo games.  Other than a few bright spots, I thought the console was mostly useless.  And don't get me started on its third party lineup.       

It's useless to serious, hardcore gamers. As a family console it's worth its weight in gold. Different strokes.

Oh it's definitely huge for family and party games, that's why it was a hit.  Can't tell you how much I was forced to play Mario Cart, or some other party game at a friends place, but like you said, there's not enough for people who only enjoy hardcore games. 

Nintendo makes some of the greatest games in the industry. Unfortunately, you're forced to play them on their systems.

The 3D on the 3DS is mostly garbage, making this a slightly more powerful DS. No way it should be $250 to begin with.

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Oh it's definitely huge for family and party games, that's why it was a hit.  Can't tell you how much I was forced to play Mario Cart, or some other party game at a friends place, but like you said, there's not enough for people who only enjoy hardcore games. 

People who only enjoy serious hardcore games baffle and wrongfoot me. I realise I'm an outsider on this issue here, but I'd rather play a good cartoony game like SUPER MARIO GALAXY or DONK KONG COUNTRY RETURNS than pretend to be sneaking through a warzone shooting people in the face.

Yea, I really do think Nintendo makes some of the greatest games, I just rarely enjoyed the WII controls being implemented in them.  I always felt many of those games would've worked better with traditional controls.  Donkey Kong Country is one of my all time favorite games, it's definitely my favorite platformer.  Yet, I didn't want to play the WII sequel because it was motion based.  Similar sentiment with Metroid, I prefered it on the GC.     

So weird. The entirety of DKCR's motion control is shaking the WiiMote to ground-pound.

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People who only enjoy serious hardcore games baffle and wrongfoot me. I realise I'm an outsider on this issue here, but I'd rather play a good cartoony game like SUPER MARIO GALAXY or DONK KONG COUNTRY RETURNS than pretend to be sneaking through a warzone shooting people in the face.

Super Mario Galaxy I think would qualify as a hardcore game, I'm not sure about Donkey Kong Country Returns, but Donkey Kong Country is also a hardcore game.  I don't think it has anything to do with if it's cartoony or not.  Zelda and Metroid are both cartoony, but they're also both classic hardcore games.  Hardcore games are ones that appeal to long time gamers, they're usually longer, deeper, and harder than casual games.  There's no mathematical equation to it, it's probably debatable in a lot of cases.

the 3D in Ocarina of Time is pretty f'n great actually. I just added the video downloads to my system 2 nights ago and saw the Netflix option. Pretty cool.

I will definitely be downloading those free games.

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Super Mario Galaxy I think would qualify as a hardcore game, I'm not sure about Donkey Kong Country Returns, but Donkey Kong Country is also a hardcore game.  I don't think it has anything to do with if it's cartoony or not.  Zelda and Metroid are both cartoony, but they're also both classic hardcore games.  Hardcore games are ones that appeal to long time gamers, they're usually longer, deeper, and harder than casual games.

 

They may well be, but they also skew younger than the stuff that makes up the majority of Sony and Micosoft's "LOOK AT THIS UBERCOOL VIDEOGAME" slate. If the Wii had more games that let you blow people's faces off I doubt we'd even be having this conversation.
 

Doesn't have to be a combat FPS to be hardcore. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid all appeal to the core gamer. However, the glut of party games and mini-game comps do not.

And so you get otherwise-rational adult males saying that the Wii deserves to sink because *gasp!* it does a stellar job of appealing to a wider market than hardcore gamers alone.

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They may well be, but they also skew younger than the stuff that makes up the majority of Sony and Micosoft's "LOOK AT THIS UBERCOOL VIDEOGAME" slate. If the Wii had more games that let you blow people's faces off I doubt we'd even be having this conversation.
 

 

Well, Nintendo has actually made quite a few games that were more 'mature', on both the WII and the GC.  The only reason they stopped is, not a single one of these games sold well.  And the WII has plenty of games that let you blow a dudes head off, most of them just aren't very good, and this really has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.  A lack of blood and guts is not what people are talking about when they criticise the WII for being a casual system. 

And the age a game skews to, really doesn't determine whether a game is hardcore or not.  I also wouldn't be surprised if the age demo of Zelda and Metroid wasn't that different from Call of Duty, although this is just a hunch, so don't hold me to it.

You seriously think the level of mature games is the same across the three major platforms? Do you really think 18 year-old guys drink beer and play Zelda on a Saturday night the way many do with CoD?

Bear in mind that I'm not talking about anyone here when I say that blood, guts and guns would boost the Wii's profile.

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And so you get otherwise-rational adult males saying that the Wii deserves to sink because *gasp!* it does a stellar job of appealing to a wider market than hardcore gamers alone.

It's not about deserve.  It's just if a consoles library is composed of games one mainly doesn't like, there's no interest for that person to root for it.

Nintendo games are brilliant, but other than the 1-2 games it released every year, there just wasn't much else on offer from the WII.  Especially since the third party developers became intent of only releasing crappy ports and useless party games.  And even then, not every Nintendo game appealed to the core gamer.

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You seriously think the level of mature games is the same across the three major platforms? Do you really think 18 year-old guys drink beer and play Zelda on a Saturday night the way many do with CoD?

 

Bear in mind that I'm not talking about anyone here when I say that blood, guts and guns would boost the Wii's profile.

Actually, yes, I do think 18 year olds and people older sit around playing Zelda on a Saturday night.  Anecdotally, I know this for a fact.  But trust me when I say, Zelda appeals to many old gamers.  Most of the people who grew up playing and loving the Zelda games are not children anymore, and I'd expect them to make up a very large portion of people who bought the last one. 

While, I'd expect games like Call of Duty to be composed of many, and possibly of more, newer gamers.

And Nintendo does have mature games, but they're mostly half assed ports that barely sell.  Outside of this, you had games like Madworld, which was pretty cool, but it didn't sell, so these sorts of games were abandoned.

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Actually, yes, I do think 18 year olds and people older sit around playing Zelda on a Saturday night.  Anecdotally, I know this for a fact. 

Anecdotally, I've had the exact opposite experience. Putting aside more discerning gamers around here, the vast majority of adult gamers I know dismiss the younger-skewing Wii as kids' stuff compared the "real" games on PS3 and the 360.

"Useless party games"....THE ONLY TRUE USE FOR A CONSOLE IS SERIOUS GAMING DERP

At 33, I'd being playing alot more Zelda if a new game came out more than once per console generation!!!!

The only true use for a console is quality games. Most of the wii party games are sloppy and hackneyed with shitty motion controls to boot.

I always thought 249.99 was rediculous for the 3DS. This is good news they dropped the price, but I honestly think it wont make much of a difference sales wise. The thing is pretty much a massive failure and a mistake in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

 

Anecdotally, I've had the exact opposite experience. Putting aside more discerning gamers around here, the vast majority of adult gamers I know dismiss the younger-skewing Wii as kids' stuff compared the "real" games on PS3 and the 360.

 

"Useless party games"....THE ONLY TRUE USE FOR A CONSOLE IS SERIOUS GAMING DERP

Sure, we all know people like that, but I think we need to be careful not to confuse Nintendo core games like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid with general Wii games, which would also include all the casual stuff like party games.  Those are two different things.  Outside of the core Nintendo games, the Wii was a system that was mainly popular due to it's party games.  It's most frequently played game is still, Wii Sports.  Certainly third party core games never sold on the Wii.

I've definitely heard people criticise the Wii for all the shallow ports and party games, and also some people for Nintendos first party cartoony games.  But those are two different complaints.  And yes, there are people who bash Nintendo for making first party games that are cartoony, but this doesn't change the fact a lot of older gamers play those core Nintendo games.  I don't have numbers, but my gut tells me the proportion of older gamers that play core Nintendo games like Zelda is very large.    

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At 33, I'd being playing alot more Zelda if a new game came out more than once per console generation!!!!

Seriously man, Zelda is easily one of the most important franchises for gamers.  I think it's probably the greatest games franchise imo.  In fact, the more hardcore a gamer is the more likely that person is to be a serious Nintendo gamer.  The more a person appreciates the art of gaming, the more likely they are to appreciate Nintendo core games, imo; I think critics reviews back this line of thought up.  And I really wouldn't be surprised if it skewed older than a game like Call of Duty, but that's also partly due to my belief Call is extremely popular with the kiddies.

I really hope they launch Wii 2 with a new Zelda, because that tech demo was pretty sweet.  

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The 3DS's lack of success is really one of the most surprising stories in gaming.

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Cause it requires just the right angle to see the 3D. Besides the 3D does nothing for the game. Oh and it's a DS, just priced higher.

A guy owed a friend of mine $20, so he shows up one day with a ticket to Six Flags and says, "Now we're square." "No, we aren't, because I don't want to go to Six Flags." "Doesn't matter. It's worth $20, so we're square." The guy pleaded for the money again awhile later, and was pissed off when he was refused.

Not really the same thing, since Ninty doesn't really owe us anything. The 3DS was undoubtedly worth the cost to many folks at the time they bought it (on the strength of unreleased games). But, someone with no interest in these games might feel otherwise. I guarantee people will keep this in mind when the Wii U rolls out, which may turn the system into another Jaguar.

Anyway, I think it's ultimately a good thing for anyone who owns a 3DS, because if the system doesn't gain new owners, and a lot of them, it's basically Virtual Boy 2.

Nintendo knew that they couldn't compete directly with the PS Vita and that may explain why they dropped the price. But now with the announcement of the delay of the PS Vita, Nintendo is probably thinking that it could have commanded a premium on the 3DS hardware.