SON OF DIE HARD

Huh, skinny Jonah Hill.

What was his line in Funny People again? "There's nothing funny about a physically fit man."

I've got a "how much worse could it possibly get" attitude when it comes to this since Len Wiseman actually makes John Moore seem like a step up. Still, I think they could gain a lot of goodwill by hiring a director who's actually proficient at action-filmmaking and could potentially capture the tone of a Die Hard film. In other words, get Neil Marshall and I'm there...

I enjoyed Live Free or Die Hard too, and even my interest in this is zero.

More work for The Beef!

It's odd-numbered. That means GRUBER.

I agree about Winstead.  I'd totally watch a pseudo DIE HARD with her as the lead.  

I'll go on record as not actively hating LIVE FREE, so . . . . extreme cautious optimism, I suppose?

I only saw Live Free about a year ago and was even more put off by it than I expected. In my mind there isn't a series of films, there isn't a franchise, there's just one really excellent American action film. At this point the announcement (threat) of a new Die Hard film feels more like a war of aggression than the continuation of a soggy franchise.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

More work for The Beef!

No, it'll probably be Justin Timberlake, as that is who Bruce was gung-ho about getting when Live Free or Die Hard was initially going to have his son in it (instead of the daughter).  Plus Justin's acting career is on the rise, so it will definitely add more marquee value  I'm just hoping they get Bonnie Bedelia in there somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

It's odd-numbered. That means GRUBER.

It also used to mean McTiernan and it's a shame that tradition won't continue.  I was hoping that they would rope John back in after Murro dropped out, but I guess his personal life has really fucked things up for his career.

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I only saw Live Free about a year ago and was even more put off by it than I expected. In my mind there isn't a series of films, there isn't a franchise, there's just one really excellent American action film. At this point the announcement (threat) of a new Die Hard film feels more like a war of aggression than the continuation of a soggy franchise.

Dare I mention the fact that Bruno seems dead set on making Die Hard V.................AND Die Hard VI before throwing in the towel on this franchise?

It was his daughter that Willis was considering including in 4. She was born the same year the first film came out.

I just remember that initial story rumors for Die Hard 4 (way back in the day) were about McClane and son running around.  Might have been for the one where ol' John is running around the jungle weaponless and kicking terrorist ass.  At some point it switched over to being the daughter instead and they pretty much stuck with Lucy for every script they came up with it from then on out.  Who knows.  I'm not so much worried about "impossible" action sequences with this one.  I just want a fleshed out script where the villains aren't underwritten (poor Olyphant had NOTHING to work with in DH4) and for Willis to be engaged enough to ACTUALLY PLAY John McClane again.  He sleepwalked through almost the entire fourth film and very rarely hit a beat where he actually felt like McClane.  Foul language (or lack thereof) had nothing to do with it.  He just didn't feel or really act like the same character from the first three.  That's all I really want.

Live Free or Die Hard has problems, but Wiseman really wasn't one of them.  The action could have been shot a little better (particularly the hand-to-hand combat), but the core problems with that film are the terrible script and a disinterested Bruce Willis & Timothy Olyphant.

What's really interesting is that Die Hard 5 will be the FIRST entry in this franchise to actually start its life as a Die Hard film.

Can't be just shoehorn Jack Bauer into this and get it all over with? At this point, I am team DIE HARD 24/7 OR ELSE.

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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken 

No, it'll probably be Justin Timberlake, as that is who Bruce was gung-ho about getting when Live Free or Die Hard was initially going to have his son in it (instead of the daughter).  Plus Justin's acting career is on the rise, so it will definitely add more marquee value  I'm just hoping they get Bonnie Bedelia in there somewhere.

 

Oh Lord, I hope not. I'd prefer LaBeouf over Timberlake if it ever came down to it. At least one is an actual actor (and yes, he was fine in The Social Network but he was ultimately playing an extreme version of himself that any number of actors could've played just as well).

Apart from John Moore, the director short-list is pretty awesome.

Who are the others?  I've only seen Moore mentioned on all the sites I've visited.

Joe Cornish, Justin Lin, Nicolas Winding Refn.

Wait, really?

Wow, Moore really stands out.

They guy must have some friends at Fox, because he's ALWAYS linked to these types of projects, and he never gets them.

Of course, Refn will probably laugh it off, Lin will want more money and Cornish will simply be too smart to tackle such a no-win proposition.

Refn is too busy (he'll be shooting Only God Forgives and Logan's Run almost back to back) and so is Lin (Fast Six, Highlander, Terminator V).  That leaves Cornish and Moore...................and anyone else that gets added in the coming weeks.  I doubt Cornish will accept, but you never know...

Refn might be out of the running (though I would assume they'd take schedule into account when putting together a short-list) but Lin's films are all in early stages of development so he'd probably be open to an offer and Moore... well that guy's probably staring at his phone right now waiting for it to ring. If Cornish doesn't go for it - and you're right he probably wouldn't - a guy like Lin would be a great middle ground.

Hey, you know what? None of the Die Hard sequels are actually good movies, so who cares what they do! It's the Halloween of action franchises.

I don't really have any problems at all with Die Hard With A Vengeance.  Die Hard 2 is solid, but a little too repetitive.  LFODH is decent.  They might not be classics like the first one, but they aren't "bad" movies either..........at least not in my opinion.
 

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Originally Posted by Evi 

Refn might be out of the running (though I would assume they'd take schedule into account when putting together a short-list) but Lin's films are all in early stages of development so he'd probably be open to an offer and Moore... well that guy's probably staring at his phone right now waiting for it to ring. If Cornish doesn't go for it - and you're right he probably wouldn't - a guy like Lin would be a great middle ground.

I would have no problem with Justin Lin directing Die Hard 5.  That said, the real question is when is this going to film?  Bruce is supposedly attached to The Expendables II, which films this fall, so I can't see this project getting before cameras before early next year...............which is exactly when Refn shoots Only God Forgives.  Getting back to Lin, I guess he is open at the moment.  Terminator and Fast are still in the scripting stages.  Highlander is the closest to being ready, but Summit is supposedly letting Lin decide when the project is ready for production.......so he could always postpone it.  If he signs up for this, Justin is going to be a really busy man for the next few years!

Outside from the obvious (John McTiernan!), I would personally love to see some other names on the list (Jaume Collet-Serra, Isaac Florentine, John Hyams, Neil Marshall, Joe Carnahan, etc.), especially if none of the above pans out.  Hell, Edgar Wright isn't doing anything right now!  Neither Baby Driver nor Ant-Man seem close to getting made just yet and if Cornish is on the list, then why not give Wright a call as well?  Or tell Bruce to talk his buddy Luc Besson into doing it?  There are plenty of GOOD affordable directors out there for Fox to take this sequel to.

The brightside of John Moore is that despite appearing on the wish lists for almost every action movie that Fox does, he never actually gets hired.

DIE HARD 2 is a shamelessly boring retread of the original, DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE starts out promising but then utterly shits the bed, and LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is just over-the-top stupid. I can see enjoying them as fans of the McClane character, but they are all dim shadows of the original that aren't really worth much taken on their own. Any half-witted action director could make something on par with those three, so I don't know why anyone would get bent out of shape with some of the names being bandied around.

Woof, but I suppose anything that slows down Kane & Lynch can't be all bad.

I actually really enjoy DIE HARD 2 and say, the first half of DHWAV.  It's just that the original film set the bar so dizzyingly high that nothing can match it.

You know who they should call? Joseph Kahn.

Don't know if Die Hard could handle that. He'd break Bruce Willis in two.

At the very least the next one needs to be rated a hard R.  That was always one of the things that made Die Hard.  The last one was just a bunch of sanitized CG bullshit.

And Bruce Willis needs to stop acting like Brando, drawing out every word and unnecessarily pausing in between every line, it's really gotten ridiculous. 

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

It's odd-numbered. That means GRUBER.

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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken 

It also used to mean McTiernan

 

Ha! Yup. If only. Bill Nighy as the long lost 3rd brother?
 

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

 I can see enjoying them as fans of the McClane character, but they are all dim shadows of the original

While I wouldn't go quite as far as Sebastian in dismissing the sequels, this really is the point: when Bruce is full-on McClane, they click. When he's not (and that's not just film to film but scene to scene in some cases), they don't. And that's regardless of how well or poorly they're plotted or shot.

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Ha! Yup. If only. Bill Nighy as the long lost 3rd brother?
 

 

The Fass as Hans' estranged son. With Helen Mirren as his vampish mother.

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The Fass as Hans' estranged son.

Beat me to it!  Michael Fassbender as Hans Gruber's estranged son!  I used to think it would be ridiculous to introduce another Gruber to the series, but after some of the stunts in the fourth film.....................why not?

Or you could always make him Karl's son!

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Ha! Yup. If only. Bill Nighy as the long lost 3rd brother?
 

 

If the film were worth its salt, rated hard r and done properly, then we all know who the third Gruber brother would have to be...

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

If the film were worth its salt, rated hard r and done properly, then we all know who the third Gruber brother would have to be...

Not bad. Not bad.

As long as we get a cameo from Werner Herzog as Papa Gruber (weird I know considering he's only 4 years older than Rickman).

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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 

Not bad. Not bad.

 

As long as we get a cameo from Werner Herzog as Papa Gruber (weird I know considering he's only 4 years older than Rickman).

Hahahahahaha. Make it happen Hollywood!!!

Fuck it, make it a triple threat!

Grandpa Gruber - Werner Herzog

The Third Brother - Gary Oldman

Hans' Estranged Son - Michael Fassbender

BOOM!  There's your movie right there!  You all know you would see it opening day, admit it!!!

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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken 

Fuck it, make it a triple threat!

 

Grandpa Gruber - Werner Herzog

The Third Brother - Gary Oldman

Hans' Estranged Son - Michael Fassbender

 

 

BOOM!  There's your movie right there!  You all know you would see it opening day, admit it!!!

 

Hell, give them their own spinoff sitcom while we're at it - The Beverly Grubers

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

Hey, you know what? None of the Die Hard sequels are actually good movies, so who cares what they do! It's the Halloween of action franchises.

I think Sebastian's spot on with this. I've only watched DHWAV once, and it was when my older daughter was an infant and not sleeping, so my recollections aren't strong, but nothing about it or DH4 stand out as worth remembering or revisiting. I wish Willis and Fox would let the franchise rest uneasy in its grave.
 

I kind of feel that Oldman already played a Gruber in Air Force One.  

Love Oldman to bits but he's way too obvious a choice. He's played a Gruber in everything.

Fassbender on the other hand...

Is Pierre Morel up to anything?  Why not let him direct Die Hard V?

Only if Besson turns it down first.

Give it to Neveldine and Taylor, give them creative carte blanche, make it hard r, tell Bruno to shut the fuck up and do as he's told - and you may have a chance at a decent film.

That won't happen. We all know that won't happen. We all know a new movie will be equal parts bad and pathetic - and there's nothing we can do about it.

Well, maybe - we could not see it, because in our hearts we all know it'll be bad. We could vote with our wallets, the only vote movie studios register.

Fuck it, who am I kidding, plenty of you will see it knowing it'll be bad just so you can be the first to scream about how bad it is.

Nooooo N&T are totally wrong for this. This needs a solid journeyman who knows how to shoot action. Morel or Florent Siri. Or, given that his career seems to have unfortunately stalled, give it to Rian Johnson.

Whoa whoa - since when has Johnsons career stalled?

Well, THE BROTHERS BLOOM was amazing, but also pretty much invisible. LOOPER might change his profile, though.

Cornish deserves better, but I like him for this.  Reminds of Brad Bird and Mission Impossible.  Give him a budget and a late entry in an action franchise in need of rejuvenation and let him do his thing. 

Well Willis has already worked with Siri and Johnson before, so why not?

I do like Cornish for this, but I'll be surprised if he goes for it..................unless Fox agrees to put up the money for a pet project of his.  A deal with the Devil, as they say!