Community (Season 3): POP POP POP! - Page 27

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

I'm torn between thinking that the show has always needed to do more to show that Asperger's/Autism doesn't actually make you a magical elf that and being distressed at seeing Troy and Abed not get along. 

 

Gillian Jacobs is a lock for an Emmy nomination this year, right?  Right? 

If the Emmys actually rewarded comedies and not cable dramas disguised as comedies.  

I like to think the Subway plot was subtle ribbing on Chuck's shameless Subway plugs. Viewed in that context, it was EXTRA hilarious! 

And my God...to be continued, indeed! 

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Originally Posted by Ratty 

If the Emmys actually rewarded comedies and not cable dramas disguised as comedies.  

 

They nominate a few sitcom actors at least, don't they?

Just re-watched it, Pierce commenting on microphones in lipsticks was awesome!  Annie wanting Jeff back seems like where we're going, which I don't mind, her giant animae eyes kill me.  Gillian's everything don't hurt either.

The writers seem to be out to destory the character of Jeff these last 3 episodes.  This episode we get "Jeff can be insensitive to other people".  Didn't the D&D episode show that while Jeff may be insensitive in a moment, he could notice the lasting damage he could cause?

Jeff is very easily offhanded, we know this, he needs to be reminded from time to time, hence Annie's actions tonight.  But, as we saw with "Kim", when it's pointed out to Jeff, he doesn't want to be a dick, but it is his nature and he's trying to overcome it.  It's why we love him as a main character (and so does the Dean).

They actually worked in a 'pop-pop' that wasn't annoying.

I loved it whenever Brita called him Subway in such a serious manner.  Also, there were a few scenes in which Pierce seemed to say something completely random or make a mistake (I think he had the date/time wrong), and a character would say "uh-oh."  Did I miss something, or was this supposed to foreshadow something? 

Just Pierce slipping into senility. Or too much ink consumption.

Loving John Goodman in this role. That was a great episode, dealing with multiple storylines that don't all necessarily "fit" into one another like other shows might be inclined as to better make a point, and it worked wonderfully.

Would absolutely love it if I had to get from class to class at my college by way of pillow and/or blanket fort.

Brita and Subway's storyline was so fresh. Loved it.

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Originally Posted by Syd 

I like to think the Subway plot was subtle ribbing on Chuck's shameless Subway plugs. Viewed in that context, it was EXTRA hilarious! 

 

And my God...to be continued, indeed! 

If it is meant as slight dig at Chuck, it seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. After all, both are NBC shows struggling in the ratings that require product placement to help supplement production costs. Not that I didn't laugh at Britta crying out Subway's name in the heat of the moment. Just seems like the Community writers were making a criticism that they are also guilty of.

I don't think they were making a criticism at all. The entire episode is about making compromises.

Troy vs. Abed's pillow/blanket forts seems to be more metacommentary about the clash between keeping up the quality and trying to be "long enough to qualify" (i.e. make it to syndication).

What I find funny is that the series often criticized for being meta is being more meta than ever while attempting to increase its audience.

I've always thought that the term "meta" was greatly overused, and incredibly misapplied when it came to Community, but it is dead on accurate for this episode.

"Top notch whoresmanship, Britta!"

"Pierce!"

"Oh, sorry, whoreswomanship. I forgot we're in the 90s."

The Subway rep's reactions to the sex audio tape forced me to pause the show til I could catch my breath. ETA: And I still cannot believe how well they smuggled in a boner joke at the end of that scene.

I honestly thought that we had alt-Goodman with the goatee and pony tail.  When he made Abed turn away so he could crawl off I half expected a tail.

Goodman's heating and air conditioning band was named "Kelvin and the Zeroes".

I love that Chevy made the "Clark Griswold going crazy in Christmas Vacation" face after drinking the ink.  Made better with the blue in his mouth.  That guy went through a lot of years where I was convinced he'd lost the ability to be funny, but he's still brilliant physically.  The ink drinking this week and the bit the other week where he couldn't get the ice cream machine to stop were nice reminders of that.

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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin 

Would absolutely love it if I had to get from class to class at my college by way of pillow and/or blanket fort.

If it hasn't already happened, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of campuses across the country start up Community-inspired blanket fort events in their dorm houses.  

I think my favorite gag was that Subway 2 was fully briefed on the Britta situation and prepared to continue the relationship in character.

Dan Harmon just Tweeted that last night's episode was NBC's highest-rated Thursday-night show for the second week in a row (at a steady, stable 1.7 rating), beating out The Office both times.

Also, he says that this season's episodes will likely be resequenced into their proper storyline/production-order (i.e., "Remedial Chaos Theory" before "Competitive Ecology," etc.) when the DVD comes out later this year.

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Originally Posted by SAIRUS 

"Britta unfiltered"

Britta's 'huh' reaction to Pierce (it was Pierce, right?) was priceless.

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Dan Harmon just Tweeted that last night's episode was NBC's highest-rated Thursday-night show for the second week in a row (at a steady, stable 1.7 rating), beating out The Office both times.

As Vulture's Joe Adalian pointed out a few hours ago, Whitney, Chelsea, Bent, and Up All Night would all kill for a 1.7, but he also cautions that a renewal isn't quite a slam-dunk just yet -- Greenblatt's currently under pressure to "broaden out," and it might still come down to NBC having one or two very promising shows in development for the fall, versus Community.

Still, I'm doing the Snoopy-dance right now that Greendale more than stood its ground against BBT and Idol last night, and have all digits crossed that the strong numbers posted these past three weeks help the show's chances coming up.

Click on those Hulu-peats, people.

Also, from Sepinwall:

The Russo Brothers might be directing Captain America 2.

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Originally Posted by JPL 

If it is meant as slight dig at Chuck, it seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. After all, both are NBC shows struggling in the ratings that require product placement to help supplement production costs. Not that I didn't laugh at Britta crying out Subway's name in the heat of the moment. Just seems like the Community writers were making a criticism that they are also guilty of.

While it is true that both seem to be taking money from Subway for product placement, at least Community found a brilliant way to incorporate a necessary evil (a la the KFC spaceship from season 2).  Chuck's clunky, clumsy and forced Subway product placement might be the most fascinating thing to air on television in the last 5 years; it was THAT awkward.

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Originally Posted by Leto II 

 

As Vulture's Joe Adalian pointed out a few hours ago, Whitney, Chelsea, Bent, and Up All Night would all kill for a 1.7, but he also cautions that a renewal isn't quite a slam-dunk just yet -- Greenblatt's currently under pressure to "broaden out," and it might still come down to NBC having one or two very promising shows in development for the fall, versus Community.

 

Still, I'm doing the Snoopy-dance right now that Greendale more than stood its ground against BBT and Idol last night, and have all digits crossed that the strong numbers posted these past three weeks help the show's chances coming up.

 

Click on those Hulu-peats, people.

Things are going about as well as anyone could've hoped for during the hiatus.  If this isn't enough to secure a renewal, I have to wonder why they wouldn't have just cancelled it outright.

True. And the good news is, Community's numbers weren't adjusted down either, even with that St. Louis pre-emption. And Idol and BBT got adjusted up, which makes Community look even better for pulling a 1.7 against tougher competition.

On the other hand:

Sure sounds like some bad shit's going down between Chevy Chase and Dan Harmon at the moment.

Yeah, Chevy's pulled even worse shit than this with other people, but goddamn. Probably explains why he was a total no-show at WonderCon and PaleyFest, though Harmon acted less-than-classy here, too. He's contracted through Season 4, but given that he's Chevy, I've been more than half-wondering about the "over/under" on this ever since the show's premiere.

Yeah, that makes Chevy look pretty bad but it also makes Dan Harmon look even worse.  I don't care how much of an ass Chevy is, the guy in charge CAN'T lambaste him like that in front of his co-workers and family.

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Originally Posted by Ben W 

Yeah, that makes Chevy look pretty bad but it also makes Dan Harmon look even worse.  I don't care how much of an ass Chevy is, the guy in charge CAN'T lambaste him like that in front of his co-workers and family.

I think actors use the "I'm an artist, so pardon the shit I do" excuse a bit too often. As someone said on the link, the cast has always had very awkward responses to "What's it like to work with Chevy?" telling me it isn't that much fun. His personal ego has destroyed some of the great work he did, and blocked him from doing things for the decade previous to this. The guy in charge can absolutely do all those things. Maybe people won't work for him again, but walking off set is a disservice to your other actors. Perhaps not allowing family on set would help, but sometimes you have to pop that ego bubble.

I was dying at Chevy drinking the ink. I hope he and Harmon can work shit out. I love Pierce as a character!

 At first I thought Subway was trying to seduce Britta in order to discredit her. Subway, the corporation not the man, knew Britta would flip out over their plan and they had to discredit her. At first I thought when she saw Subway again it would be the same guy, but the thought of sex with now disgusted him. Just like Winston at the end of 1984.

I don't think I would miss Chevy in the least. Pierce as a character has consistently been the biggest dick to/in the group. Some of Pierce's past actions have definitely pushed him from being the amusing 'grumpy old man' character to outright asshole. Despite the somewhat surreal quality of Community,I just can't see any of the other characters putting up with Pierce after some of his mean antics.

The comparison that comes to mind is the 'Scott Pilgrim' character.....I wasn't surprised that the SPvsTW film didn't do well as the main character is a complete asshole to everyone around him. You have to engender at least some likeability in a character (Maybe the SP character is different in the comics...I haven't read them). I don't see any true likeability in Pierce. 

I think I would rather have Chang in the group, although his character arc has gotten interesting these days.

After the group met Pierce's father  - and understood why Pierce ended up the way he did - the group has pretty much embraced him and his racist/sexist quirks. Not to mention, they are all pretty awful people. I mean this past episode, Shirley did not admonish Pierce for calling Britta a whore (cause she's thinking the same thing), Jeff continues to be a self-absorbed dick, and Annie was a judgmental jerk to Kim. The episodes with Jack Black and the lab partner (who's name I can't recall - Scott?) provide more than enough evidence that the group as a whole are self-absorbed narcissists who are awful to everyone outside their circle. I wouldn't want to hang out with any of these people.

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Originally Posted by Diva 

The episodes with Jack Black and the lab partner (who's name I can't recall - Scott?) provide more than enough evidence that the group as a whole are self-absorbed narcissists who are awful to everyone outside their circle. I wouldn't want to hang out with any of these people.

I would will hang out with Annie.

And I'm not even ashamed about that.

But not for her personality.

I'd hang out with Annie.  She has a sweet personality if taken out of that study group.

what happened? all i can find is comments of people reacting to something. can anyone explain the gist to me?
 

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Originally Posted by Leto II 

True. And the good news is, Community's numbers weren't adjusted down either, even with that St. Louis pre-emption. And Idol and BBT got adjusted up, which makes Community look even better for pulling a 1.7 against tougher competition.

 

On the other hand:

 

Sure sounds like some bad shit's going down between Chevy Chase and Dan Harmon at the moment.

 

Yeah, Chevy's pulled even worse shit than this with other people, but goddamn. Probably explains why he was a total no-show at WonderCon and PaleyFest, though Harmon acted less-than-classy here, too. He's contracted through Season 4, but given that he's Chevy, I've been more than half-wondering about the "over/under" on this ever since the show's premiere.

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Originally Posted by Diva 

But not for her personality.
 

Well, I'm not named Kim, so I think I'll take my chances.

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Originally Posted by Dave Jarvie 

what happened? all i can find is comments of people reacting to something. can anyone explain the gist to me?
 

The story was redacted in the previous link. I found it in another forum. A guy went to "Harmontown", an event with Community creator Dan Harmon and during the event, this happened:

Do we really need to hear that? As people in that very forum have pointed out, this kind of thing actually hurts the show. We don't really need to air their dirty laundry, do we?

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Originally Posted by Diva 

After the group met Pierce's father  - and understood why Pierce ended up the way he did - the group has pretty much embraced him and his racist/sexist quirks. Not to mention, they are all pretty awful people. I mean this past episode, Shirley did not admonish Pierce for calling Britta a whore (cause she's thinking the same thing), Jeff continues to be a self-absorbed dick, and Annie was a judgmental jerk to Kim. The episodes with Jack Black and the lab partner (who's name I can't recall - Scott?) provide more than enough evidence that the group as a whole are self-absorbed narcissists who are awful to everyone outside their circle. I wouldn't want to hang out with any of these people.

good points all, but I still think that all of the characters, with the exception of  Pierce, have some amiable character traits that do come through periodically.

Pierce just always seems like a dick...and is completely oblivious to it. For me, his asshole-ness reached a high point in the AD&D episode...the way he treated Fat Neil was just really, really mean spirited, but not in a "haha" kind of way.

If nothing else, given recent events, it's going to be interesting to see what happens w/Chevy, Dan and Community.

I think Harmon's a genius WRT writing and plotting. Really. He's proven himself to know exactly what the fuck he's doing with sitcom and storytelling tropes, interweaving meta commentary with organic in-story events with breathtaking ease.

But everything I've read by and about him makes me think he's an insufferable prick in real life. Yet another brick in the "genius has its price" wall, I suppose.

Seriously.  I have no doubt Chevy's a dick.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Pierce's more outlandish characteristics are based on Chevy's on set behavior (bitching about crafty/his trailer in the recent documentary episode, for example).  But for Harmon to call him out on it at the wrap party is horribly unprofessional, even if most of the folks there shared his opinion.  And for him to then repeat that story in a public forum at the Harmontown event is even worse, not to mention playing the voicemail.

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Originally Posted by Diva 

The story was redacted in the previous link. I found it in another forum. A guy went to "Harmontown", an event with Community creator Dan Harmon and during the event, this happened:

 

 

 

 

 

mp3 doesn't work.

You can hear it here for now.

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Originally Posted by ScottieFerguson 

You can hear it here for now.

yup just found that
 

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Originally Posted by ScottieFerguson 

Seriously.  I have no doubt Chevy's a dick.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Pierce's more outlandish characteristics are based on Chevy's on set behavior (bitching about crafty/his trailer in the recent documentary episode, for example).  But for Harmon to call him out on it at the wrap party is horribly unprofessional, even if most of the folks there shared his opinion.  And for him to then repeat that story in a public forum at the Harmontown event is even worse, not to mention playing the voicemail.

playing devil's advocate....

What Harmon did was the not a "professional" thing to do by any means but I wonder if this....'venting' (?) might have been due to the accumulation of many smaller Chevy incidents?  Given that CC does have a reputation for being difficult.....?? 

Oh, most definitely.  Between the rumors that most of the crew joined in on the "fuck you Chevy" chant, the awkward responses from other cast members in interviews when questioned about working with Chevy, the "Pierce or Chevy" twitter meme from a while back, making fun of Karate Dog, etc, I'd say it's been a long time coming.  Harmon's likely fed up, and I get that, but him making things public in this fashion is just bad form.  Take the high road, man.