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post #1001 of 2590

That trailer completely sold it for me.  Was on the fence before.  But it was good.

post #1002 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post


The one major fault I have with the Returns suit is the tiny emblem. It makes the suit 'too blue' and gives the effect that he's wearing oversized red underpants.

I think they were trying to keep the essentials but at the same time make the suit look less like a leotard.  And, really, some artists and costume designers have gone way overboard with the size of the S.  At times it's been ridiculously huge.  

post #1003 of 2590

Calm down everyone, I'm here to render my scientific opinion, which I'm sure you will all find definitive and worth of circulating to others so you can tell them what they should think.

 

-The score. The score is wonderful. Superman Returns ridiculously unheroic, un-Superman, muted, somber score should be ashamed. The score should be ashamed.

 

-Cavill looks great.

 

-Michael Shannon looks/acts wonderful, as usual. That fucking lunatic is great. Seeing him screaming on that space ship or whatever feels larger than life. I have to laugh at how perfect it feels to see him hating Superman. Again, after the memory of Superman Returns, it feels great to move on from the dull, monotone villain that was Spacey's Lex Luthor. In a few seconds, Shannon looks like he's having fun.

 

-That fucking football skin suit. It's going to look dated in a few years, it's overly stylized, and worse, it's even more muted than Superman Returns' costume. Superman is an unreasonably good, optimistic superhero. He's perhaps the purest of superheroes in the sense that he always does good, is selfless, and is like a god. His costume should reflect that with bold, bright colors. His costume should be over the top in its brightness and solid colors. Reeves' Superman costume, in my view, is pretty definitive. I feel like seeing dark colors on a Superman costume (and darker than any of the other movie versions) is letting the appeal of darker and more ambiguous stories of all kinds influence this when it doesn't belong. Superman acts in spite of all the darkness and evil in the world, not because of it. His costume should be the same, and stand out even more, like he's a beacon.

 

I bet Cavill was pouring sweat out of his boots like Ted Raimi in Evil Dead 2 (who wore a big rubber demon outfit) in between takes. Well, like anyone who wears a big, rubber outfit that pools sweat toward the feet.

 

-It's a great trailer. It's exciting and feels like there's an actual Superman story, and not just an action movie with Superman in it (Superman Returns). That said, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the quality of the movie outside of the fact that it can be cut into a good trailer. Superman Returns' trailer looked like it would be a big, bold, Superman movie. X-Men and Superman Returns had what I felt were awesome trailers. I thought X-Men was terrible, and Superman Returns thoroughly mediocre. It's just a trailer. But I love Superman and I hope it's great. They certainly have all the talent needed. A Superman story seems very well suited to Snyder's strengths. Except that fucking costume.

post #1004 of 2590
In the Trailer:

"From the Director of
Watchmen & 300"


Me:

"From the Director of
Sucker Punch & Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole"


The eternal cynic in me won't let me think any different.

I hope he gets Superman right.
post #1005 of 2590

Can't watch this until I get home, but speaking of Snyder's billing: is it just 'From the director of...' or are they still persisting with that 'visionary director' rubbish?

post #1006 of 2590
Legend of the Guardians is a colourful, visual action treat framing a lot of aerial combat perfectly. Shit on the story all you want, but I hold Guardians up as evidence of faith in Snyder actually doing this one right.

Snyder bashing is de riguer and has been for forever, but Ive always said the guy is a quite stunning visualist in need of wise guiding hands on his shoulder.


Also, it really, really cant be understated the effect Zimmers score has on this last trailer. Its the final piece of the puzzle in place.

Worky, watch on a big screen with surround sound if possible
post #1007 of 2590
I'm not seeing a problem with the suit. From what fraction of the movie we've seen so far, the suit's textured look is entirely right for a movie that does as much playing around with shadows and light as this one will. It's not like Lex Luthor is judo kicking his way past Superman's guards to get into the Fortress of Solitude.
post #1008 of 2590
My remarks concerning the suit were more about the image I posted and a bit of a piss-take. It looks fine in the trailer.

I'm excited but I do agree that Snyder is going to be the X factor here up until I see the end credits roll.
post #1009 of 2590
Really? The suit is the problem for some? Not "do they nail the tone, story and character beats"? I love the geekverses priorities sometimes. No, not love, what is the word...
post #1010 of 2590

The blue death ray's the problem? You people are just hanging on straws now. This trailer was even better than I expected, wouldn't be surprised to hear the same people who did the marketing for Nolan's Batman-films are doing Supes too.

post #1011 of 2590

You know what didn't have a blue alien death ray in the middle of a city???

TDKR.

 

Man of Steel will not top its greatness.

NOTHING will top its greatness.

 

 

Really great trailer, by the way.

post #1012 of 2590

Does anyone know what rating this is shooting for? I'd love to show my four year old that trailer - there's nothing in there more intense than your average Ben 10 episode, action-wise - and he loves Superman. I wouldn't want to get his hopes up unreasonably though.

post #1013 of 2590

I could have said that, yes, I harbor the thought that the suit may work given all the thought Snyder's put into the rest of the movie. He obviously feels that it belongs in the world of the film he's created, however much it pains me to think that a pretty dark Superman suit is ever appropriate. I like the idea of Snyder directing a Superman movie given the style and attention he puts into all his movies, so even though I don't think I'll ever like the suit on its own, it may work as well as any costume of its kind can given the story he's telling.

 

But it's not as fun as saying that I think the suit is awful and I don't like it.

post #1014 of 2590

I'm just happy that it's not Lex Luthor again.

 

The suit doesn't bother me so much, but I always feel like throwing Supes a towel to help him dry off every time I see it.

post #1015 of 2590
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Originally Posted by jhp1608 View Post

Does anyone know what rating this is shooting for? I'd love to show my four year old that trailer - there's nothing in there more intense than your average Ben 10 episode, action-wise - and he loves Superman. I wouldn't want to get his hopes up unreasonably though.

 

I don't know where you're from, but I have no doubt it'll be a PG-13 in the US.

 

Would you show your kid the Kryptonite shiv scene in Superman Returns?

post #1016 of 2590

Love that Krypton looks like an actual place.  Love the tack they seem to be taking with Superman's wandering, and especially Lois actively looking for him.  Cavil seems charming, and really comfortable in the role. Costner's delivery of "You are my son" is pitch perfect.

 

I  thought the music felt too nervous at first, but it's just brisk and upbeat.

 

Can't. Resist. Great. Trailer. Cynicism. Defeated.

post #1017 of 2590
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

You know what didn't have a blue alien death ray in the middle of a city???

TDKR.

 

Man of Steel will not top its greatness.

NOTHING will top its greatness.

 

 

Really great trailer, by the way.

 

Oh come on, you know that TDKR, THE GODFATHER, CASABLANCA and GONE WITH THE fucking WIND would all benefit from a blue alien death ray in the middle of a city. You know it.

post #1018 of 2590
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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post

 Costner's delivery of "You are my son" is pitch perfect.

 

 

 

On account of personal issues that line has choked me up both times I watched it.


So, is the music in the trailer the actual theme for this movie?  Because if it is, it is truly majestic.  It makes the trailer soar (pun not really intended).

post #1019 of 2590
Costners line makes my throat catch every time. So nice to see him and Crowe seeming so engaged and on form
post #1020 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Tim K View Post

In the Trailer:

"From the Director of
Watchmen & 300"


Me:

"From the Director of
Sucker Punch & Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole"


The eternal cynic in me won't let me think any different.

I hope he gets Superman right.

 

Y'know, it's funny, but both of those are about the same to me.

Good trailer though.  It actually looks epic, which is interesting since the last Supes film failed at that fairly hard and so have all of Zacky's big live action FX flicks.  They tried, but could never really escape a weird cramped and flat feeling (no doubt to do with shooting everything on a green screen studio and sets.  Some are good at this and some aren't I guess).

 

Nice to see them going all out (well it looks like it anyway).  Even though they've had the effects to do it for a while it seems like comic movies have been reticent to really go where comics actually go all the time, with crazy aliens and battles and so forth.  I reckon developing this felt a bit risky before Avengers.  Although Thor probably helped.

post #1021 of 2590

Hello Man Of Steel. Welcome to the top of my Most Anticipated Movies 2013 list. I'll get you some coffee.

post #1022 of 2590
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

Costners line makes my throat catch every time. So nice to see him and Crowe seeming so engaged and on form

 

Yeah, Costner delivers it perfectly.

post #1023 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Virtanen View Post

 

Oh come on, you know that TDKR, THE GODFATHER, CASABLANCA and GONE WITH THE fucking WIND would all benefit from a blue alien death ray in the middle of a city. You know it.

 

YOU HAVE CHANGED MY MIND.

 

 

post #1024 of 2590

So basically, in this trailer, Superman caused the BP oil spill? With his interventionist Kryptonian politics?

post #1025 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post

 

On account of personal issues that line has choked me up both times I watched it.


So, is the music in the trailer the actual theme for this movie?  Because if it is, it is truly majestic.  It makes the trailer soar (pun not really intended).


 Yep, that's the score.  I feel the same way.  Hans is bringing it home.

post #1026 of 2590
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

Snyder bashing is de riguer and has been for forever, but Ive always said the guy is a quite stunning visualist in need of wise guiding hands on his shoulder.

 

I've thought this for a while, and one of the reasons that I think Snyder and Nolan together could exceed anything either's done on their own.

post #1027 of 2590

Listing Snyder as the director of...Watchmen fits, as that is an...Excellent Superhero Film!  I really like the new score.  John Williams score is...Epic, but that belongs to Donner's Superman.  The new suit reminds me of Captain America's more than Superman's traditional outfit, but this is the...21st Century, so a new suit, and score are more than fitting.  Not only was Bryan Singer's Superman Returns...Worse than Superman III, John Ottman's Score was...terrible too.  The Man of Steel...Sequel should be WB's 2015 Superhero Film.

post #1028 of 2590

I haven't looked this much forward to a movie in a long time. I will once again fall in love with Amy Adams and that score is just beautiful!

post #1029 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post

I've thought this for a while, and one of the reasons that I think Snyder and Nolan together could exceed anything either's done on their own.

 

Anything?! As in Snyder could direct something better than Memento or Inception? This looks great, but lets not get crazy here!

post #1030 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

Anything?! As in Snyder could direct something better than Memento or Inception? This looks great, but lets not get crazy here!

Memento could be hard to top, but inception, while technically very impressive, was an incredibly emotionally cold movie to me. It's actually part of what I'm getting at - Snyder could add the emotion Nolan's stuff has always lacked to me, while Nolan could curb Snyder's tendency to excess.
post #1031 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post


Memento could be hard to top, but inception, while technically very impressive, was an incredibly emotionally cold movie to me. It's actually part of what I'm getting at - Snyder could add the emotion Nolan's stuff has always lacked to me, while Nolan could curb Snyder's tendency to excess.

 

Getting off topic, but I've always found Nolan's stuff to be cold in a Kubrickian way - as in he knows how to achieve emotion despite a marked lack of it. Snyder, on the other hand, has so far seemed like a doofus with a great eye. I'm not sure what film of his made you think that he could effectively add emotion to anything. But hey, I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.

 

(yes, I'm still smarting about Watchmen)

post #1032 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

 

Getting off topic, but I've always found Nolan's stuff to be cold in a Kubrickian way - as in he knows how to achieve emotion despite a marked lack of it. Snyder, on the other hand, has so far seemed like a doofus with a great eye. I'm not sure what film of his made you think that he could effectively add emotion to anything. But hey, I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.

 

(yes, I'm still smarting about Watchmen)

 

I've found Snyder's work - especially Dawn of the Dead - a lot more effective at generating real emotion than anything I've seen Nolan do. But to keep this from derailing the thread we may just need to accept that we respectfully disagree and move on. I think I just like Nolan less than you do, and that's part of where I'm coming from.

post #1033 of 2590

Evi, Crazy?  Nolan is...Not that hot a director.  Aside from...Batman Begins, and to a lesser extent The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, he hasn't directed a film better than Zach Snyder's...Watchmen!

post #1034 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post


Memento could be hard to top, but inception, while technically very impressive, was an incredibly emotionally cold movie to me. It's actually part of what I'm getting at - Snyder could add the emotion Nolan's stuff has always lacked to me, while Nolan could curb Snyder's tendency to excess.

 

See, I think INCEPTION was where Nolan finally did a seamless (and efffective) wedding of his cool, calculating plotting with an effective emotional core. I was sold on Cobb's struggles to be with his children and to exorcise the demons of Mal's suicide. (I also think TDK was a firm step forward in this, but Nolan missed some steps there, emotionally). TDKR I think weirdly swung the other way....Nolan seemed to really be swinging for a story that was primarily emotional rather than about chess pieces, which is perhaps why it didn't quite work for some folks. 

 

I have a lot of hopes for Nolan and Snyder countering each other's weakness and enhancing their filmmaking strengths.

post #1035 of 2590

I will say this: that's the first blockbuster trailer I've seen in ages that not only has an emotional core, but actually builds to a palpable crescendo. In this age of BWAAARM-cool stuff-BWAAARM-cool stuff-BWAAARM that's an achievement in itself. 

post #1036 of 2590

Wacthmen is actually an extremely solid superhero movie burdened with impossible expectations. If you approach it as a pulpy, admittedly messy thing - lets call it "The Astounding Dr. Manhattan" - then its pretty good stuff. Considering the frankly ludicrous elevation the graphic novel accrues (another discussion) the movie adaptation was never going to pull it off.

Inception doesn't work for some people not because its trying to be an emotional movie, but because its not very good when its trying to be an emotional movie. Technically its all very impressive and thorough, but I will never feel an urge to watch it again (same goes for The Dark Knight). Even The Prestige, for which I am a shameless apologist, falls flat whenever it tries to engage emotionally (save for the relationship between good Alfred and his daughter).

 

Man of Steel? MAN OF STEEL?! Fuck yes, Man of Steel, this thing is going to huge, deservedly so. Biggest takeaway from the trailer (aside from the action, but everyone already knew the action in this one was going to be huge) is Cavill's charisma as Superman. 

post #1037 of 2590
Watchmen is a good looking bad, bloated, poorly paced and thematically garbled movie because Snyder didn't have anything more than a superficial understanding of the source material. He also failed his actors or just outright miscast them (Akerman). That people still defend that film with a straight face is beyond me. Full stop.

Now, back to Man of Steel. I hope he managed to make the movie this trailer suggests he did.
post #1038 of 2590

Nolan is Hitchcock (cool and clever). Snyder is George Roy Hill (loud and exciting). Put their respective strengths together and you seemingly get something incredible, according to these trailers.

post #1039 of 2590
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 still don't care for the production design, and I'm not going to change my mind about that.  I hate the suit.  They have caught some beautiful images of the cape flowing (probably enhanced with some CGI), but the suit looks dark and dull...like someone put it in the washing machine with some darks and the colors ran onto it. 

 

I have been holding back on this but, I agree about the production design and cinematography...without any context it seems completely "off"...pretty dull...it has that nu-metal Hollywood look that I can't stand.  Same with the suit...it's like they're afraid these days to admit they're making a comic book movie.  Marvel doesn't seem to have this problem.  But I am perfectly willing to give it chance because context is everything, though considering I've hated everything Snyder has done except DoTD remake...even with a solid script, he has a style that doesn't know what to do with itself, like an untamed beast...hopefully he has been tamed.

post #1040 of 2590
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I may eat these words.  And I will gladly come back and apologize 

 

Apologize for what?  Having an opinion?

post #1041 of 2590

I'm so burnt out on superhero movies, but that trailer did a fine job of making me want to see the movie. It doesn't look like Snyder's other films, in that it seems that several scenes were actually shot outside.

 

Still, I think the subdued colors and brood-y tone are an odd mix with all of the hope and optimism that the story seems to have.

post #1042 of 2590

I wouldn't call Nolan "Kubrickian" exactly.  Kubrick's camera was much more insinuating with the alienating distance it exhibited.  Nolan has a bit of that, and for other reasons as well I get why the two are thought of together, but I don't think the effect his camera has is quite as fraught with implication as Kubrick's.

 

As for Snyder, I think it's worth noting this is probably the most straightforward movie he's ever done.  He's not going to be winking at the audience, so I think a lot of the stuff that bothers people about his style might well be minimized here.

post #1043 of 2590
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I wouldn't call Nolan "Kubrickian" exactly.  Kubrick's camera was much more insinuating with the alienating distance it exhibited.  Nolan has a bit of that, and for other reasons as well I get why the two are thought of together, but I don't think the effect his camera has is quite as fraught with implication as Kubrick's.

 

 

It's definitely not a 1:1 comparison, but I mentioned it only because I find their cold/cerebral approach to be brimming with heart in its own way. Nolan doesn't come close to the way Kubrick used his camera but I actually find him a way more interesting visual stylist than Snyder. Snyder's shot are usually incredible but I very often find myself struggling to figure out why he shoots things the way he does other than "it looks pretty". For example, if there was one movie than should not have employed his speed-ramp and green screen techniques it was Watchmen.

post #1044 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post

 

Apologize for what?  Having an opinion?

I've been pretty pessimistic...essentially suggesting that the people who are wild and crazy about this film based on advertisements are probably in for a disappointment.  I don't care for any further bastardization of the Superman mythos, and I'm almost certain that's what this film is going to deliver (Zod is specifically after the Superbaby?  What, because he didn't get to have him as a student in his genetically-enhanced military school?).  I also remain skeptical about how hungry the general public will be for more Superman...because that's a character that has been adapted, and adapted, and adapted over and over and over again.  I think one of the things that hurt Superman Returns was its non-relation to the Smallville show.  I'm not saying one should have mirrored the other, but the situation you had was a TV series and a motion picture co-existing, but ultimately having nothing to do with each other.  And both projects are remembered as disappointments.  

 

I feel Superman Returns is one of the most unfairly maligned movies by fanboys, especially given its decent reviews by professional critics and its disappointing but not disastrous domestic box office.  SR is guilty of many things, including re-hashing old Lex Luthor plots, a miscast Lois Lane, and a Clark/Superman with little to do and virtually no dialogue.  However, you'd think it was Weekend at Bernie's 2 the way most fanboys bash it.  I doubt, however, the new film will have as satisfying a scene as Superman saving a doomed plane and landing it right square in the middle of a baseball game, complete with spectators absolutely losing their shit with excitement.  That scene alone makes the SR worth seeing.  If MOS manages a scene of that quality, I will eat my shorts.  Literally, I will cut a small piece off and consume it.  

post #1045 of 2590

I would rather watch this trailer 50 times in a row, than watch that garbage that was Superman Returns. How anyone can defend that beats me. It's even worse than me defending Crystal Skull when that came out.

post #1046 of 2590

I really liked the shuttle sequence, and the look of (some of) the film. I also thought Routh was an unfairly maligned Superman. Too bad the story was horrible.

post #1047 of 2590
I'll probably see this.
post #1048 of 2590

I've watched the trailer at least a dozen times now.  I touched on it in the other head, but with the other trailers, despite great music choices, I still had the Williams theme in the back of my head, and had to cue it up immediately after.  With this, I just want to give Zimmer's stuff another listen.  Can't wait to hear the rest.  He made it his own.

 

Personally, I think this just became the movie to beat this summer, and this trailer seems to imply why Warners has been lax on the marketing so far.  They're confident.  Hell, I had my 19 and 22 year old female cousins (I don't know if they've ever even seen a Superman movie) posting links to this on facebook and twitter.  The tone seems perfect for the moment.  Gritty americana.  Shit's fucked up, but there's hope.

post #1049 of 2590
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

 

Snyder's shot are usually incredible but I very often find myself struggling to figure out why he shoots things the way he does other than "it looks pretty". For example, if there was one movie than should not have employed his speed-ramp and green screen techniques it was Watchmen.

 

http://youtu.be/uS_PgstrhBs?t=23s

post #1050 of 2590
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Originally Posted by stunt poop View Post

-It's a great trailer. It's exciting and feels like there's an actual Superman story, and not just an action movie with Superman in it (Superman Returns). That said, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the quality of the movie outside of the fact that it can be cut into a good trailer. Superman Returns' trailer looked like it would be a big, bold, Superman movie. X-Men and Superman Returns had what I felt were awesome trailers. I thought X-Men was terrible, and Superman Returns thoroughly mediocre. It's just a trailer. But I love Superman and I hope it's great. They certainly have all the talent needed. A Superman story seems very well suited to Snyder's strengths. Except that fucking costume.

 

Pretty much this, all day.

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