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A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)

post #1 of 34
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I don’t know how to react to this film. I really, really, genuinely like the movie. I love the style of the thing, I love the tone, and I think the acting is universally great. But I also feel that the film sort of shoots itself in the foot a little once the focus switches explicitly to David. The first forty minutes of the film are largely told from Monica’s perspective, with her as the protagonist and David as an object of tension. David is odd and seen through the eyes of Monica there are about three specific moments in the first act where David is, unwittingly, an object of tension. The sequence where Monica is getting used to David’s presence, or where David is eating spinach, or where David is wanting a lock of hair are all laced with an almost Polanski like terror of the invading other. It’s not David’s fault, but those moments serve to reinforce the specific otherness of David. He’s sympathetic, but it’s easier to understand the revulsion and fear than empathise with David.

 

As such the shift to David as protagonist, which itself is kind of broken up between the loss of Monica as protagonist and introduction of Gigolo Joe, never really gels for me. Largely because the film has built up David as being essentially non-human in it’s opening forty minutes.

 

I think the film does a great job of making robots seem genuinely inhuman, with innocence as their primary characterisitic. Gigolo Joe in particular is almost childlike when not engaged in his regular programming.  As such there’s a real distinction between hopelessly naïve robots and the more mean-spirited, self-orientated, humans. What I find fascinating is that David is both naïve and childlike and almost completely self-motivated and goal orientated. There’s a sense of self which is both a thing which saves him and a thing which separates him from other mecha. His destructive tantrum upon seeing the other David is his most human moment and it adds, to me at least, to the growing sense of distrust for David. He’s essentially been created with all the wants and needs of a child but with the inability to every truly sate those needs means he’s always going to essentially be fundamentally left wanting.

 

Even the ‘happy ending’ is almost deliberately melancholic.  Now my take on the ending is that the stuff involving his mother and the blue-fairy is largely in his head. Not a hallucination, but an implanted experience by the other robots before they deactivate him. There are a few cutaways which show the Robots watching the scene play out which always made me think they were observing his memory core or something like that.  From David’s point of view it’s the happiest moment he could have, but there’s something deeply bittersweet about the entire ending. It sort of makes you realise how cruel the entire IDEA of David actually is.

 

In terms of production I love elements of the film but I do think there are sequences and moments which don’t quite work. The Flesh Fair feels hilariously like the late 90s transposed to some dystopian future and it feels like Spielberg really doesn’t have a handle on what he’s trying to say. You have one robot who tries to draw parallels between previous human genocides, but I don’t think Spielberg really understands the sequence and so it always comes across as being fairly flat.

 

The design of the world is amazing though, I love how neon and garish the world can look at times and there are some amazing visual elements and this has got probably one of my favourite John Williams scores (largely because it feels like a deviation for him).


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Even the ‘happy ending’ is almost deliberately melancholic.  Now my take on the ending is that the stuff involving his mother and the blue-fairy is largely in his head. Not a hallucination, but an implanted experience by the other robots before they deactivate him. There are a few cutaways which show the Robots watching the scene play out which always made me think they were observing his memory core or something like that.  From David’s point of view it’s the happiest moment he could have, but there’s something deeply bittersweet about the entire ending. It sort of makes you realise how cruel the entire IDEA of David actually is.


THANK YOU.

 

I've always seen it as a bittersweet ending, where the robots give David the happy ending no human mother ever could or would. They show the compassion we don't. It's certainly ironic, but it's infinitely less nihilistic than a lot of people have come to make of it over the years.

 

post #3 of 34

It's a pretty conflicted, complicated ending. In part, because David has become more selfish than he was at the start (his moral evolution is somewhat the reverse of Pinocchio's), and that he has been built in such a way that this complete sham, illusory Monica is enough for him (the film continually showcases that he has trouble separating reality from illusion). What he gets is a kindly lie, an "I love you" that's a thousand years too late from a clone of his mother in the middle of a barren, alien world where nothing David recognizes exists any more. It's kinda like the end of the two different SOLARIS films, both of which showcase similar tensions, though they come at similar resolutions from very different points of view.

 

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE is such an immense tapestry of foundational sci-fi ideas and themes, taking the basic FRANKENSTEIN framework and then weaving in so many other threads. It's a terribly underrated film, and my favorite of Spielberg's work. If nothing else, it's his richest, most complex film.

post #4 of 34
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Yeah, it REALLY reminded me of the end of Tarkovsky's version of Solaris. With David choosing to accept that lie and essentially welcome oblivion.

post #5 of 34

It's a strange, strange film. For that reason I don't at all begrudge anyone who loves it. It's the Magnolia of American big-budget sci-fi. It's not for me, though. For a while, it was known among my inner circle as The Movie That Wouldn't End.

post #6 of 34

While I wouldn't go so far as to call it nihilistic, David's story is essentially tragic because by his very nature, he is incapable of achieving an arc or transcending past his circumstances. The aliens basically pulled an Old Yeller on him with an illusion in place of a shotgun.

 

Doesn't make it any less moving, though.

post #7 of 34

I really like this movie.

 

I still use one quote all the time.  "Hey Joe, what dya know?"   Works best with people named Joe, but I will use it on most people at some point.  Only one person knew where it was from.

post #8 of 34

Spielberg Face!

 

The video really focuses on AI in its second half.

 

post #9 of 34

This is possibly my favorite Spielberg movie from the aughts.   You've summarized my feelings about it quite succinctly especially in regards to the Flesh Fair.   I've talked to some people about the ending and alot of them say the movie should have ended with David at the bottom of the ocean wishing to the blue fairy for all eternity and that the stuff with the future mechas was extraneous and an excuse for Spielberg to do a happy ending.   Nothing is further from the truth.   As others have correctly surmised, what we're seeing is a sick robot put down and that's not exactly the Spielberg Schmaltz we've come to expect.   I hope this film one day gets acknowleged as the classic it is.

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Spielberg Face!

 

The video really focuses on AI in its second half.

 


Great video, but a surprising lack of Schindler's List. Or was the Spielberg face unnecessary to convey the kind of awe and terror on display there?

 

As for A.I., I've only seen it once and that was ten years ago. I remembering it feeling a bit off, so I need to give it another spin to view it with fresh eyes.

 

Always loved Teddy.

 

post #11 of 34

Here's a review from Reverse Shot, that listed the movie as the sixth best of the previous decade. I like it quite a bit.


There's also this video series from Press Play that's worth checking out. Part 1 below.

post #12 of 34

It's been a few years since I last saw A.I., but I always felt it was underrated. Am in complete agreeance with you guys about the ending; David is singularly focussed but he is obsessed with a fairytale ideal, a childish desire that his programming doesn't allow him to mature out of. The Blue Fairy ending is Spielberg honouring that fairytale structure, but also dropping a fairly crushing implication: David may be getting his dream, but it's all a lie and he is literally incapable of seeing this.


I always saw it as being Spielberg's comment on growing up, and not letting childish concerns dominate. He was having something of an identity crisis at the time, maturing in his work while trying to juggle it with the public's demand that he keep making entertainment. It's a balancing act that he's since perfected, but at that time I think he was finding the transition particularly difficult. In a weird way, I think David can be said to represent who he felt the public wanted him to be; frozen in this permanent childish state, achieving but never growing. Certainly, I think you could say that David represents the danger of clinging to a childhood state without allowing the growth that comes with maturity. 


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Here's a bit from a blog post I wrote about this film last year:

 

 

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But let's go beyond that, to the ending we did get.  It's not sunshine and lollipops by any stretch.  First of all, every human being on the now-frozen planet is dead.  So there goes any chance of David being loved again.  The mechas that rescue him and Teddy are so far beyond what he is, and so in awe of what he represents, that he can't really relate to them.  So he's alone again.  The version of Monica he gets to spend his one perfect day with is a fake, just as programmed to love him as he is to love her.  So he's not really getting a genuine conclusion, just a manufactured one.  And then we're left with the image of Teddy forlornly plopping down on the bed as Monica and David "die" and leave him alone.  So basically, David's desire for love causes him to abandon the one true friend he's had.  This entire final sequence is asking us to question whether we just saw a happy reunion or a hollow, empty, selfish facsimile.  And to consider if the how of what David and Monica feel is as important as the fact that they're feeling it.  It pulls us both ways.  It's not a simple case of sending the audience home happy.
 
There's also a lot going on here with the idea of identity and purpose.  Henry and Monica bring home David because, with their natural son seemingly frozen forever, they still feel the need to identify themselves as parents, only to a child that can actually return their love.  Lord Johnson-Johnson and his followers feel their human identity threatened by the existence of the mechas, and so they take delight in their destruction.  And the fugitive mechas simply desire to be useful again, scavenging for spare parts to make them whole, performing their roles right until the very end.  Even  Gigolo Joe's final words of, "I am!  I was!" are as much a declaration that his existence had meaning as they are a plea for David to remember him.  Throughout the film we see characters dealing with both natural and manufactured roles; some, like Joe, quite at ease with who and what they are; others, like David, wanting to be something more.  It's interesting to note that it's the mechas who most often seem to be content with their lot, as if the film is implying that the emotions that separate us from the machines are the very things that fill our lives with strife.  The one exception is David, and, well, as I said above, he doesn't exactly end up in the happiest of places.

 

 
I think there's a lot more going on with this film than people give it credit for.  It's as if they assumed that since it was Spielberg, he was just doing some dumb, sappy sci-fi film, and pissing on Kubrick in the process.
post #14 of 34

That ending.  I get emotional every time. David wants so much to be happy, but can't be. He gets what he wants, but it is, as Richard says above, manufactured and unreal. At the end, the only true friend he has, Teddy, gets left. The way Teddy just slumps down makes me wonder who has the true sentience here. Should the future mechas not be helping Teddy? 

 

As others wrote above, David can't move past childhood and is forever doomed to be stuck there. The one question no one asked before Monica read the codes is what happens when they get old?  She loves being a parent now, in her thirties. What about her sixties? eighties? Some parrots can live 40 years and have the emotional context of a 3 year old, and that makes me scared of having one. I would be 70 when the bird passed. She wants a robot that can live...forever?

 

One of my favorites of 2000.  If it were not for parts of the Flesh Fair (looking at you ChrisRockbot), I would have rated this over Munich for Spielberg.

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 If it were not for parts of the Flesh Fair (looking at you ChrisRockbot)



I never got this line of criticism.  If you're creating a robot comedian, why is it so hard to believe it would be a loud, grating caricature?

 

Now Dr. Know basically being Robin Williams phoning in an accent, that I can get on board with.

post #16 of 34
The happiest interpretation I could ever pull out of the ending was that the advanced bots of the distant future were as good as their word, the resurrection of Monica worked as advertised, and rather than spend it with her real family, she had to spend her one and only second chance at life tending to a household appliance with Oedipal issues.

I've never understood the dismissal of the ending as schmaltzy.
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I never got this line of criticism.  If you're creating a robot comedian, why is it so hard to believe it would be a loud, grating caricature?

 

Now Dr. Know basically being Robin Williams phoning in an accent, that I can get on board with.



I know a lot of people have a problem with the Flesh Fair sequence, but I think it's one of the most terrifying things Spielberg has done. It's a combination of how savage everyone is behaving (and anyone that doubts this as unrealistic should go to a NASCAR event...or any sporting event, frankly) and how passively the robots are about their inevitable destruction. It's as if the humans are angrier that the robots (David excepted) don't have fear or feel pain, and their calm willingness to be destroyed gives me a queasy feeling every time. Spielberg plays up both angles perfectly and what I don't understand is when critics of the movie complain about this as another form of him manipulating the audience. Yes, the crowd changes their tune when David shows up, but I totally buy that they would. Up until that point, they've had no reason not to. They might as well be destroying their vacuum cleaners.

So for that reason, I think it kind of helps that some of the robots are annoying. 

post #18 of 34

The ending is a real kick in the guts and terrific.  I do wonder if its entirely intentional though.  I get the impression Spielberg wanted people to be happy.  But it's one of those situations where the material wouldn't be denied.  You can look at it like it's happy and schmaltzy if you want to but it's really, unavoidably, existentially complicated.

By that point I don't tend to see David as the point of identification.  He's a tourist among the cavalcade of highs and lows that is humanity.  Mostly I'm left thinking about Monica, pulled out of space and time for a brief stay and never meant to know there's nothing outside, but happy enough.  That's the real kick.

It could be just me but I got the impression the Futurebots really didn't want to do it, even if they might learn a thing or two.  It's like they're appealing to his conscience, that it's cruel and destructive.  But he's only got one thing he wants, as he says.  Dashed clever all round.

post #19 of 34

I think there's some resonance in the idea of dying after experiencing one perfect day.  It's just all the ways in which that day is hardly perfect that keep the ending from sitting as comfortably as it could, and I think Spielberg is fully aware of those ways.  I don't think he has Teddy plop down on the bed like that if we're supposed to be all heart-warmed and happy; in fact, I doubt he's even in that scene at all if we're not meant to take away at least a little bit of melancholy.

 

And when you think about it, in a lot of ways, David is essentially the Second Coming for the mecha.  They're meeting their savior in the flesh.  And what great lesson does he arrive to teach them?  "Make my mommy love me!"  Imagine their disappointment.  It'd be like Jesus coming back and wanting to just watch TV.

post #20 of 34

While I did enjoy this movie, I always view it with a sense of loss. This was Kubricks film, his project, he developed it and then died. Spielberg took it and tried to do it justice. To be honest, I think he did a credible job. But I will always wish for that Kubrick version I will never see.

post #21 of 34

Spielberg defends himself!  I'm sure you guys have already seen this, but since the ending is being discussed...

 

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While I did enjoy this movie, I always view it with a sense of loss. This was Kubricks film, his project, he developed it and then died. Spielberg took it and tried to do it justice. To be honest, I think he did a credible job. But I will always wish for that Kubrick version I will never see.



Thing is, Kubrick himself thought the story was more appropriate to Spielberg's sensibilities, and handed the project over to him.  It was only Spielberg choosing to do other projects and convincing Kubrick to stay on that kept Spielberg from directing it back in 1995.  So even Kubrick saw it as a Spielberg film.

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 If it were not for parts of the Flesh Fair (looking at you ChrisRockbot), I would have rated this over Munich for Spielberg.


 

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I never got this line of criticism.  If you're creating a robot comedian, why is it so hard to believe it would be a loud, grating caricature?

 

Now Dr. Know basically being Robin Williams phoning in an accent, that I can get on board with.

 

See, I wasn't bothered by Robin Williams. It seemed like something a company would do in. But the robots at the flesh fair were not being destroyed because they were annoying. They were being destroyed because people feared them.

 

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I know a lot of people have a problem with the Flesh Fair sequence, but I think it's one of the most terrifying things Spielberg has done. It's a combination of how savage everyone is behaving (and anyone that doubts this as unrealistic should go to a NASCAR event...or any sporting event, frankly) and how passively the robots are about their inevitable destruction. It's as if the humans are angrier that the robots (David excepted) don't have fear or feel pain, and their calm willingness to be destroyed gives me a queasy feeling every time. Spielberg plays up both angles perfectly and what I don't understand is when critics of the movie complain about this as another form of him manipulating the audience. Yes, the crowd changes their tune when David shows up, but I totally buy that they would. Up until that point, they've had no reason not to. They might as well be destroying their vacuum cleaners.
 

 

I agree with you on all of this, especially the passivity. Until you said...

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So for that reason, I think it kind of helps that some of the robots are annoying. 


 

I like the Flesh Fair, in that it is scary, and it is popularism-- a pan et circus. But Rockbot knocks me out of the movie for just a second. I would have prefered a non-speaking Rockbot toaster being drenched in acid. Why would they have robot comedians? Robot prostitutes makes sense. All that loving without disease or emotional damage. But breaking things because they are annoying doesn't make sense. Excising that small bit I think flows better.

 



 

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Thing is, Kubrick himself thought the story was more appropriate to Spielberg's sensibilities, and handed the project over to him.  It was only Spielberg choosing to do other projects and convincing Kubrick to stay on that kept Spielberg from directing it back in 1995.  So even Kubrick saw it as a Spielberg film.



I always felt like this was the party line, I am not saying that it is wrong, just that I never quite believed it. We know Kubrick was a far from prolific film maker and was also in ill health at the time of the hand off. I think Kubrick realized he would not be able to make this and had put in so much work that he wanted to see it get done.  I think a darker AI was perfectly in tune with Kubrick's sensibilities, and the dissonant ending was a function of Spielberg trying to give the film his imprint to it's detriment.

 

And in regards to McNooj snippet. Even if Kubrick's version did leap 2000 years into the future, my guess is that the point was to show that humanity had ultimately failed and been replaced by it's own creations.....not to provide our sweet little moppet a reunion with his long lost mommy.

 

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I always felt like this was the party line, I am not saying that it is wrong, just that I never quite believed it. We know Kubrick was a far from prolific film maker and was also in ill health at the time of the hand off. I think Kubrick realized he would not be able to make this and had put in so much work that he wanted to see it get done.  I think a darker AI was perfectly in tune with Kubrick's sensibilities, and the dissonant ending was a function of Spielberg trying to give the film his imprint to it's detriment.

 

And in regards to McNooj snippet. Even if Kubrick's version did leap 2000 years into the future, my guess is that the point was to show that humanity had ultimately failed and been replaced by it's own creations.....not to provide our sweet little moppet a reunion with his long lost mommy.

 


First off, it doesn't matter if you don't believe "The Party Line," unless you think the WGA and Kubrick's estate are all part of some massive conspiracy to shield Spielberg from angry Kubrick fans on the internet.

 

Second, do you honestly think that Speilberg's version, which shows New York City--the most obvious symbol of modern achievment--in ruins, a forgotten, mysterious relic to the planet's current inhabitants, as nothing more than the setting for a cute reunion? I mean, I know you have a track record of being wrong all the time, but Christ.

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And in regards to McNooj snippet. Even if Kubrick's version did leap 2000 years into the future, my guess is that the point was to show that humanity had ultimately failed and been replaced by it's own creations.....not to provide our sweet little moppet a reunion with his long lost mommy.

 


 

This is a very unimaginative interpretation. The reality is much, much darker and you're a fool if you don't think it's intentional. Here's a hint: read the thread for more thoughtful analysis of the movie.

post #27 of 34

Regarding the "Kubrick movie that could have been": Watching the movie, I can see why Kubrick wanted Spielberg for it. It's not because he's particularly well suited to the themes of the movie, but that Spielberg's style and sensibilities are in tension with them. Because of this tension, the movie throbs with an emotional intensity that Kubrick's outsider perspective wouldn't be able to bring out, and his themes wouldn't really have registered in quite the way that he wanted them to. Spielberg's sensibilities being in conflict with certain elements of the story are crucial to the movie, and both Spielberg and Kubrick knew this. The movie is like a dissonant chord: it can be unpleasant and uncomfortable, but it is nonetheless haunting and beautiful. Of course, if you dislike the movie, I doubt that this will persuade you, but I also doubt that you would have liked the hypothetical hundred percent Kubrick version either. Maybe no one would have.

post #28 of 34

It really is a hybrid of Kubrick and Spielberg in the sense that you've got what you would think would be a cold, distant machine imbued with the desire to love.  It's a concept that almost requires a blending of the two directors' sensibilities.

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It really is a hybrid of Kubrick and Spielberg in the sense that you've got what you would think would be a cold, distant machine imbued with the desire to love.  It's a concept that almost requires a blending of the two directors' sensibilities.



Oh yeah, very much so.

 

The more I watch it, the more the movie seems to be saying something about love being made a product. Isolation is a big visual theme in the movie (Martin's Ice Chamber in the beginning, mirrored to the sunken gyrocopter at the end, other examples), and David is the ultimate isolato. Saying the movie is about the desire for a certain kind of love kind of limits one's viewing a bit, as I don't think that we are supposed to be distanced from David at all. I think that the movie is basically saying that David is what modern humans are: increasingly isolated yet still yearning for connection.

 

And I don't know that the movie gives humanity any outs.

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I always felt like this was the party line, I am not saying that it is wrong, just that I never quite believed it. We know Kubrick was a far from prolific film maker and was also in ill health at the time of the hand off. I think Kubrick realized he would not be able to make this and had put in so much work that he wanted to see it get done.  I think a darker AI was perfectly in tune with Kubrick's sensibilities, and the dissonant ending was a function of Spielberg trying to give the film his imprint to it's detriment.

 


The "dissonant ending" was something Spielberg followed from the existing treatment almost exactly. The epic-length treatment from which Spielberg was working was written with a fairy-tale narrator voice--a good portion of which Spielberg turned into the narration--and thus gave the ending that softer edge that Spielberg brought to the screen.

 

Re: Spielberg taking over from Kubrick, Kubrick definitely offered it to Spielberg in '95. Whether there were any subsequent offers after Spielberg turned it down, who can say for certain. But given that Kubrick intended ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE as his kind of E.T.: THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL (a film he very much admired, BTW), it's not terribly surprising that Kubrick would want Spielberg to do it rather than himself.

post #31 of 34

I really don't like this movie.  It's probably the only Spielberg film I have a strong revulsion for.  There is something incredibly "off" about it and it seems as if Spielberg was forcing himself to make this movie because Kubrick asked him to, completely uncharacteristic of the man and it shows.  When I first saw it, I was sort of baffled by it, didn't know how to take it, and was probably in shock.  It's one of those films I really tried to like, but every subsequent viewing has made me dislike it even more.  And it has nothing to do with the ending.  The performances are fine, but most of it feels completely false, like someone adapting material without fully understanding what they're adapting.  I don't know how to even describe why it doesn't work for me.

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I don't know how to even describe why it doesn't work for me.


Clearly.

 

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EDIT: Oh weird, the Facebook functionality for submitting posts led to a double.

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Clearly.


Movie watching is a personal experience and very often you can't articulate why something doesn't work for you.  If you feel slighted because somebody doesn't like a movie you do, I suggest leaving adolescence.  

 

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