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post #1 of 88
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I've been waiting for this thread a long time. Some of you have seen it. All of the rest of you had better. In theaters. Opening weekend if possible. Maybe for the next five months you should buy tickets to it every time you go to the movies and then sneak into the inferior other product out there. So much so that theater managers are baffled and wander the theaters showing this wondering where all the paying customers went.

 

Until that day, see it normally and let's discuss it here.

 

Frankly, it's a small movie. There's not a lot of massive discussions that can take place. Monsters are real. They want to take a child. Things happen. There's actually a whole mythology fueling this version (buy the tie-in book!), but it's still a fun flick to discuss. Hope you guys dig it. Here's where we can shoot the shit, all spoilery-like.

post #2 of 88

Staying out of this thread from now until I see it, but do want to say I will be going to the first showing on Friday and am very excited. Actually rewatched the original plus unofficial remake Inhabited over the weekend in preparation.

post #3 of 88

I'm definately going to see it openeing weekend here.  Staying out of this thread too until then.

post #4 of 88

I'll just repost what I said in the pre-release thread:

 

Just got back from this.  STOP READING if you want to go in fresh, PLEASE.

 

I'm going to be interested to hear how general audiences react to the film.  I heard some misgivings about it.  I know I heard some bitching about how the R-rating wasn't deserved.  I think some people got fidgety during the slow-burn of the first half.  The vocal part of the audience seemed to have issues with how ballsy Sally was.  A lot of, "What the HELL are you doing, girl????" during the movie.  Hahahaha

 

But the movie PLAYS with an audience.  And the slow-build is completely worth it for the way the film comes to a close.  Those final moments.  CHILLS.  I didn't think it was going to end like that.  But it was just SO fitting.  It's a movie that makes me see Katie Holmes in a very positive light (it used to be complete indifference).  

 

In the end, I don't think I experienced the 'pervasive scariness' del Toro had raved about.  But I think my expectations may have been too high.  Plus, I'm not a guy who gets all that scared by horror movies.  It's usually Lynchian nightmares that hit me that way.  Instead, Mr. Nixey's film served more as a complete nail-biter.  I could feel my heart pumping by the end.


Can't wait to talk about the film with you guys in the eventual post-release thread.

 

 

ASSOCIATE PRODUCER - Nick Nunziata  

 

BOOM!

 

Congratulations, gentlemen!

 

EDIT:  Vern's review was linked in the pre-release thread.  Just read it and wanted to call this bit out:

 

 

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One of those cases where I see the movie lead them around on a leash and have them completely under its control for 90 minutes and then at the end they laugh and claim it was dumb.

 

 

SO TRUE.

post #5 of 88

Tomorrow night! Soooo ready for this.

post #6 of 88

Re-posted from the pre-release thread...

 

 

VERN HATH PRAISED.

 

http://outlawvern.com/2011/08/19/early-review-dont-be-afraid-of-the-dark-2011/

 

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I don’t think I’ve seen the TV movie this is based on, but I know it has a reputation for haunting the nightmares of kids that saw it, kind of like that evil doll in TRILOGY OF TERROR did. This remake isn’t gonna be on network TV and nobody should bring their kids to it, but you know some of them are gonna see it some way or other, and man is it not gonna be pretty. It’s almost like it’s designed to reinforce everything terrible their imagination tells them about their house at night.

 

Vern also links this movie with The Descent as part of the WUF* horror subgenre.

 

*Weird Underground Fucker

post #7 of 88
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Soundtrack: http://t.co/TlDLN8M

post #8 of 88

Wow. Loved it. I'll write more soon, but just go see it, Chewers. Totally respectful of what works in the original and uses it as a starting point. Despite being a fan of the original and knowing (mostly) what to expect in the story, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time... And you can thank the director for that magic. Troy did a great job with sound, shadow, and camera moves throughout. Love the house (set or location???), love the homonculi design, love the Del Toro touches (saw his cameo on the plane behind Sally!). The bedsheet jumpscare totally worked even though I had rewatched the trailer a few times. And just like at SDCC, the opening killed in the theater tonight. And was that an Arthur Rackham homage (as if the drawings weren't clue enough)? I'm hoping for a jam-packed home vid release.

 

My only complaint tonight... They handed out the "text only" posters instead of the superior ones with the great imagery.

 

It was hilarious to see how the giveaways tied in with the flick.

 

Thanks so much for the passes, Nick! My friend and I (both parents, so it played right into our child-in-jeopardy sympathies) thought it was superb. Excellent work, Troy and GDT!!!

post #9 of 88
Thread Starter 

Thank you!

post #10 of 88

Totally my pleasure. It's been quite a while since I've updated my blog. I think my return post will be in honor of the apropos monstrous-chewing DON'T.

post #11 of 88
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it played right into our child-in-jeopardy sympathies


Yup.  It's what's brilliant and devilishly manipulative about this flick.  Seeing Madison so believably terrorized and threatened, you just want to jump into the movie to save her.

post #12 of 88

I can't yelling in my mind "She was just attacked in her bedroom! Don't leave her in there!" and "You left her alone again??? You assholes!"

post #13 of 88

There are homes to restore!!!

post #14 of 88
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There are homes to restore!!!


Yeah, they did a great job of establishing her as a neglected kid. And it was nice to see her bond with Kim (a tribute to Kim Darby perhaps?).

 

More thoughts:

 

  • My friend an I agreed that the lil beasties looked like "hunchback rat-imps". Very much what I imagine a D&D (nerd alert!) kobold to look like. A great progression from the original. Loved that they could talk, climb, swarm, operate tools (watch out for keyholes!), make mischief (frame job!), and occasionally scurry around on all fours. Just great creature design.
  • Why didn't they grab Sally when the grate popped off and she discovered the teeth?
  • The floor level shot of Sally walking past her bed while we saw all the glowing eyes beneath was very memorable.
  • The final whispers left some unanswered questions. And I adore that kind of bread crumb trail.
  • Between Blackwood's mural and sketches and the wall paintings in The Pale Man's domain (from PAN'S LABYRINTH), there's a scary-as-shit children's book to be made. Reminds me I have to order the book tie-in for this flick.
  • As I expected... Between the monsters and dark fairy tale angle, the movie seemed custom made for my sensibilities. Always a great time at the theater when the stars align like that.
post #15 of 88
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
  • Why didn't they grab Sally when the grate popped off and she discovered the teeth?
  • The final whispers left some unanswered questions. And I adore that kind of bread crumb trail.


1st question:  That's a good question.  I don't really have an answer for that.  Perhaps they really like to play with the food before feasting?  They are assholes.  They clearly love to cause mischief.

 

2nd point: What kinds of unanswered questions?

 

post #16 of 88
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2nd point: What kinds of unanswered questions?

 


Is Kim one of them now? And if so, how? And along those lines... Where does that hole go ultimately? Why are they trapped there? Why do they need a life in order to come out? I'm a fiend for monster lore. The ending made me curious. "You have thirteen hours in which to solve the labyrinth, before your step-mom becomes one of us... forever." Dance magic dance!

 

 

ETA: Everyone in the audience giggled when Sally went under the table with the Polaroid. I think they were expecting some "celebutante limo" shots.

 

And the bear jump-scare got EVERYONE.

 

Saw that GDT was credited as one of the whisperers.

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Double post!

post #18 of 88
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Is Kim one of them now? And if so, how? And along those lines... Where does that hole go ultimately? Why are they trapped there? Why do they need a life in order to come out? I'm a fiend for monster lore. The ending made me curious. "You have thirteen hours in which to solve the labyrinth, before your step-mom becomes one of us... forever." Dance magic dance!

 

 


Oh, that's definitely the impression I got.  If you watch the Q&A that someone posted in the pre-release thread, it's actually confirmed by del Toro through an answer to a different question.  Definitely check it out.

 

As for your other questions... some things shouldn't be figured out!  Hahahahahah

 

post #19 of 88
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post

Soundtrack: http://t.co/TlDLN8M



Track 11: "Gardener Gets Snipped"

 

Okay, suddenly that scene is a little funny.

post #20 of 88
Thread Starter 

Regarding the ending:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

She most definitely is one. Not only that, the de facto leader. Though it was toned down in the final edit, the "hero" homonculus was Blackwood from the beginning of the film. The subservient one that he rests his hand on the shoulder of is his son, whom he was trying to rescue in the prologue. Some folks don't catch it, but Blackwood is the one that gets crushed at the end. His son is the one who gets smashed by the bookcase. In the script and early cuts of the movie there was a little more emphasis on the fact that Blackwood was the head homunculus. There was more dialogue even. I was glad to see some of it go because I felt that they talked and whispered a little too much.

 

 

post #21 of 88

I have to wonder if Badass Digest is gonna review this. Heh.

post #22 of 88
Thread Starter 

Devin was at the premiere and told me he liked it.

post #23 of 88

Wow this sucked...

 

...at being like the other crappy movies!

 

Just got back from a screening.

 

Really liked it, and my scale tends to adjust a little after a day, but really liked it.

 

Yeah I caught the Guillermo cameo.

 

Clapped when the associate producer cameo popped up (along with a lot of fellow guys who knew Nick, who I got to help carry some stuff in).

 

Yeah regarding the last spoiler, I totally got that and told a few people outside, and they were shocked that they didn't see it.

 

Oh and the kid, looked like the kid from Halloween (Danielle Harris) and seemed to bring very similar acting chops as well.

 

While some people were a little squirmy about the slow first half, I loved it. It actually gave time to the characters, and when the 2nd half goes to the wall, you're right up against it!

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post #25 of 88

Nick,
finally reading ASSOCIATE PRODUCER: NICK NUNZIATA on the big screen was just amazing. This was long overdue, I salute you! It's even better than Grizzly Park. (I know, I know)

As for the flick itself, really liked it, but I'll be critical too. To me, Beltrami's score was the standout. Just wonderful work all around, maybe his best in years. I also enjoyed Nixey's directing, he really made this an interesting, very atmospheric dark fantasy tale that should work wonders on families. You do feel Guillermo del Toro's influences, but it's easily it's own beast. Strong debut, Troy, thank you for that. Really looking forward to your next work, Simple Machines. The little girl did a fine job and I was quite satisfied with what Katie Holmes brought to the table. Loved the little fuckers. Great Gremlins vibe, if Gremlins were shyer, meaner and uglier. I didn't like the announcement that they would be computer generated, but I never once had a problem with it. Well done.

Cons? Maybe I've seen too many horror flicks already, but I thought the whole thing was quite foreseeable. I guessed the whole story from the opening scene and when Kim heard that one sacrifice has to be made, I immediately knew how it would all end. Which isn't bad story-telling, but I kinda hoped to be surprised more. I think the psychologist and the librarian Basil Exposition characters were completely superflous. That something may be off with the girl was already shown more than enough, and the murals in the basement together with the opening scene would have been enough revelation. Instead, I would have loved to see Kim go with the girl's seemingly false tales of little monsters to bond with her, only to have her then attacked herself.

When the girl smashed one of the creatures in the library, what about that? Why didn't she show it as proof? Or why couldn't she show any of the many pictures she made? Or why did no one notice that the gardener had several knife wounds?

 

It may not be a classic, but in this weak year of horror, it's one of the lone lights and a must-see for any genre fan. If only it enables Nunz to finally do Grizzly Park 2.

post #26 of 88

Lots of fun--thanks for the screening, Nick.  My wife went with me, because she was (at first) agitated that I was going but she might not be able to, so we made all the arrangements for our son, so she could go with me.  Then she realized she was going to see a horror movie and slowly began to regret what I was pulling her into.  In her words after the movie, "It scared the shit out of me!"  She yelled and jumped a couple of times, which made me enjoy the movie even more.  The little creatures were really cool and disturbing looking, and between the bookends of the chisel to the teeth and Katie Holmes' leg snap, even though there was little to no gore, those two parts made me cringe more than any Saw movie.  Can't remember the last time I went to the theater to see a scary movie, and this was a great time.

 

I liked the look of a lot of the shots, and one of my favorites was the overhead look at the library, and another was the opening shot outside the house at night.  Just the sight of the house alone was enough to send chills up my spine.  And yes, the music helped out a lot to set the tone.

post #27 of 88

Yeah I did wonder why the girl didn't show the arm in the book case or the mashed up "tooth fairy" on the floor?

 

Liked it a lot, but now the cons: There were a few moments where the kid was left alone, mostly near the end. I understand the Dad being a douche, but even Katie Holme's character as well?

 

The Sound Mix: Maybe it was the theater, or early screening, but I wish there was more use of the surrounds for the noises. This is really minor though.

 

Did the Dad ever see the creatures? I remember him getting knocked out, nearly poked, and running down to the basement, but don't remember him seeing anyone.

 

The polaroid camera, and then a cell phone: More surprised they still had them around

 

Where was the Nunziata cameo? (unless associate producer means you have to moon us)

 

 

Really though, still a very solid flick.  solid 8.2/10

post #28 of 88
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Yeah I did wonder why the girl didn't show the arm in the book case or the mashed up "tooth fairy" on the floor?


Those damn things destroyed a picture. You think they are going to to leave a mashed up monsterbody around? Or a severed tiny arm? They were cunning.

 

They were also bastards. Holy shit. 

 

Anyway, I thought it was great. Really pretty to look at. Great creatures. And a good lesson about dental hygiene. 

 

post #29 of 88

The unaddressed monster bits in the library was one of my few nitpicks with the film.  I wouldn't have minded if one shot showed them melting and evaporating, like the tentacle chunk in The Mist.  Then, the continued disbelief of the adults would be a bit easier to take.

post #30 of 88
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Those damn things destroyed a picture. You think they are going to to leave a mashed up monsterbody around? Or a severed tiny arm? They were cunning.

 

They were also bastards. Holy shit. 

 

Anyway, I thought it was great. Really pretty to look at. Great creatures. And a good lesson about dental hygiene. 

 


Great creatures indeed, but they really scraped every inch of that guy off the floor that fast?

 

and a good lesson about drugging up kids... oh and that neglect thing too. Don't pay attention, and they start becoming friends with demonic tooth fairies.

 

That said, didn't expect the Tom Cruise cameo as monster #3. Saved some money on the CG and makeup.

 

post #31 of 88

 

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The Sound Mix: Maybe it was the theater, or early screening, but I wish there was more use of the surrounds for the noises. This is really minor though.


Must have been your theater, because hearing the whispers and scurrying from various corners of my theater was awesomely creepy.

 

post #32 of 88
Thread Starter 

I've seen it in six or seven theaters now and the sound varies drastically. Goes to show how much a role a theater plays in the experience.

post #33 of 88

Yeah, my screening's surround channels were pretty aggressive.

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post #35 of 88

Just got back, really loved it.  Guy Pearce was a dick!  I was rooting for the creatures to kill his ass!  Bailee Madison is a great little actress, she really carries the film.  Reminded me of Haley Joel Osment's star turn in The Sixth Sense.  Holmes was great too, so much so that I was really sad to see her go.  That's my only real complaint with the film, Pearce is such an ass, he really doesn't deserve to survive, it should have been Kim. 

post #36 of 88
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post

I've seen it in six or seven theaters now and the sound varies drastically. Goes to show how much a role a theater plays in the experience.



Yeah, I guess that's why I usually prefer to watch movies at home on the big screen tv and surround sound: consistency.

 

That and the clean bath room.

 

Going again, and picking up the blu-ray.

post #37 of 88

Sorry Nick,

I wanted to like this SO BAD but CGI monsters don't work.  That's really my only complaint, and I really hope audiences don't feel the same way.  The CGI killed it for me.  I mean the monsters from Critters seemed more grounded in reality . . . or the monster from CHUD for that matter.  Puppetmaster . . . Ghoulies . . . The Gate . . .

 

Is it that hard to find someone to make a monster puppet?

post #38 of 88

Just to echo what I had already said on Facebook-- I really, really enjoyed this.  Pretty much loved everything about it.  Atmosphere was amazing, love the score, the house was as much a character as anyone else.  Bailee Madison is a fantastic actress.....even Katie Holmes was likable in this.  I thought the creatures were done quite well and weren't too CGI-ish for me.  

 

Seeing some of the spoilers regarding the ending actually gives me even more incentive to see it again.  I cannot wait for the Blu-Ray since I think this is going to become one of those films you pull out at Halloween.

 

I'll say again-- great job to you, Nick, and everyone involved.  Can't wait to see what Troy Nixey does next.....and Nick, for that matter!

post #39 of 88

 

Spoiler.... don't read if you intend on liking the movie... lol

 

Seriously? On F&^kin hockey stick and the movie would have been over after the first whisper....  I just want to be there when the cops take Daddy in because his girlfriend disappeared and he explains the toothfairies took her.

post #40 of 88

This was probably my favorite horror flick I've seen in theaters since Drag Me To Hell. It suffers from some atrocious logical errors, like the evaporating hand (as mentioned above), but I'm willing to forgive all that because of the concept that Sally might be bending reality in order to better reflect her fantasy world -- an idea that was of course explored in Pan's Labyrinth. Here, though, it's much more subtextual (and Sally uses fantasy to release aggression rather than escape dire circumstances), and while I would not argue that the homunculi exist entirely in Sally's fantasies, I think that the movie functions quite well on that level if you choose to make those readings -- especially considering the ending. Spoilers:

 

Basically, I walked out of the movie with the idea that the homunculi are an outward manifestation of Sally's resentment of her stepmother and, on a deeper level, her struggle with her Electra complex (the idea that movie monsters are our violent urges personified, carrying out the evil deeds one could not otherwise commit, isn't a new one in horror -- The Brood, or even Forbidden Planet, are nice examples of this). The early scenes of the film touch on the nonexistent relationship between Sally and Katie Holmes' stepmother character -- i.e., Holmes often worries that Sally hates her -- and Holmes is an early target for abuse by the creatures. Fortunately, though, Sally is able to avoid blame (and guilt) over the destruction of the dresses by assigning it to the "little things" -- similarly, after Holmes "dies," Sally is free to possess her father and even dodges culpability once again, as her stepmother has become "one of them" and no longer deserves our sympathies.

 

All the huge logical gaps actually support this reading -- the near-dead caretaker's knife-wounds are written off as an unfortunate stumble? Well, maybe he was never stabbed, and Sally just twisted  those events so they fit into her fantasy. The creature's severed arm disappears? It was never there in the first place -- in reality Sally was just making a scene, petulantly grasping for attention on her father's big night. Not a revolutionary reading I know, but I was actively watching the last act or so of the film with these ideas in mind and everything seemed to line up nicely.

 

But yes, congratulations to Nick, it's a nice film -- imperfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the horror crop we see these days. And I want to see more of what Troy Nixey cooks up in the future, especially when let loose on a film that bears less of an external artistic influence, even if it's a positive one in the end.


Edited by JMulder - 8/26/11 at 10:37pm
post #41 of 88
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Must have been your theater, because hearing the whispers and scurrying from various corners of my theater was awesomely creepy.

 


Yeah, sound was amazing at my theater too, really felt like you were surrounded by constantly shifting whispers.

 

Good horror movie. Faithful to the original, but at the same time is its own thing. Gorgeous looking with an amazing location, so much visual detail (can't wait to get the eventual Blu Ray so I can abuse the pause button for all the stuff I missed first time round). Has the kind of atmosphere that as someone already said, would make it a great Halloween night pick. Weirdly what it almost felt like to me was a darker The Secret Garden. I thought the creatures were quite good for CGI, definitely menacing with lots of personality to them. After the whispers, my fave sound from them was that weird ape like grunting. Pretty strong ending to the movie, even though

 

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I think the creatures should have taken Sally too.

 

... Just to keep things nice and nihilistic like the original movie.

 

More than half full theater for a Friday 9.30 am showing, I'm not an expert on these things but I think that's good. The crowd got into it, jumping at the right places and laughing whenever the creatures did something mischievous. Some dude in our row said "third time's the charm!" when Guy got Pierced by that big needle.

 

PS. Missed opportunity for end credits song:

 

 

post #42 of 88
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Pretty strong ending to the movie, even though

 

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I think the creatures should have taken Sally too.

 

... Just to keep things nice and nihilistic like the original movie.


But then Sally couldn't have drawn that "Wish you were here" greeting card for Kim. ;)

post #43 of 88

My only real complaints are that 1, Alex and Sally don't really get any sort of catharsis to how much of a massive twat he was to her most of the film, and 2, after how pitch perfect the movie handled cutting around seeing the creatures in full view in the first half, seeing them out in the open so often in the climax was a minor disappointment. Considering what Nick said about Blackwood, his son, and Kim becoming these things, its easier to forgive, but it still nips a bit of the tension as a result.

 

Other than that, loved the shit out of this. Beautifully shot, executed, Marco Beltrami and Katie Holmes not pissing me off in some way for the first time ever, jump scares working wonders for the first time in ages (like others, I knew the bedsheet scare was coming, and still kinda leapt out of my goddamn seat), amazing sound design (and damn do I pity anyone who saw this in a theater with shitty sound. Hearing those creatures scatter and whisper around the rear speakers is one of the most chill-inducing things ever), perfect bursts of violence (what that rope does to Kim's leg made the entire theater gasp, and just a great, R-rated evil fairy tale.

 

You done good, guys.

post #44 of 88

Also missing: A scene where the groundskeeper tells Kim how the creatures walk like men, but they're vicious, mindless monsters.

post #45 of 88
Thread Starter 

I honestly think of this as a great Tales from the Darkside or Outer Limits or [insert favorite anthology] story blown up to size. There are definitely some pacing issues here but believe to fully make it a 90 minute, three act horror flick in the more standard sense would have taken some of the charm away. This is rough around the edges structurally, and intentionally. I think it contributes to the old school nature of the thing. Unfortunately there's very little on the cutting room floor that justifies some sort of massive new cut. Thanks for seeing it, folks. This hurricane stuff is really going to hurt us and I appreciate the effort.

 

Also: huge surprise: Slater hated it.

 

Shocker!

post #46 of 88

Man, the R rating is probably going to cripple this for some audiences, because I really think it would make a great gateway drug horror film for pre-teens.  It's fun, spooky and dark without being gory.   I'd love to hear how close to PG-13 you guys got with this.   

 

Agree that the sound design on this is really great.  And Bailee Madison felt like a real girl and not a "child actress."   Good stuff.  

 

Did anyone else spend the whole movie thinking Mrs. Underhill was Aunt May?  

post #47 of 88

Anecdotal: The 8pm show at the Arclight here in LA was very well attended and the audience really responded to the scares. Unfortunately I was sitting in front of some assholes who thought they were funny and MST3King the whole movie and it sort of ruined the experience for me.

 

I thought Troy's direction, the production design and performances were all really good. I also really liked how things play out for Katie Holmes.

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Did anyone else spend the whole movie thinking Mrs. Underhill was Aunt May?  



Oh, thank holy Christ that wasn't just me.

post #49 of 88

Thirdsies on the Aunt May deal.

post #50 of 88

The World needs more Tales from the Darkside stories made into full length features.

 

Pray to God there'll be an available soundtrack album for this.

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