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Perfecting the Formula

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Too often I've heard this defense of a lesser movie: "Well, now that they've set everything up they can get to the good stuff in the sequel!" I've heard this touted around in relation to Green Lantern, and this sentiment really started to permeate the public consciousness around the first X-Men (and, to a lesser extent, the first Spiderman). 

 

Although this is common in many genres, superhero movies suffer strongly from this affliction. The first movie gets the origin out of the way which should lay the groundwork for the "real" meat & potatoes we've been waiting for, but in actuality the second movie more often than not attempts to replicate the same formula as the first but BIGGER. 

 

On occasion it's done better. Spiderman 2 is a strong example, in which much of the same story is regurgitated (Peter gets no respect at school or at his job, he yearns for Mary Jane, butts heads with his friend Harry, has a father figure that is ironically turned into a super villain he has to fight, and even gets to be normal again in order to regain his powers) but is improved upon.

 

Some might argue the same of Terminator 2. A second movie can go a long way towards deconstructing the character and plot beats of the first. With success, there is not only improvement but new light shone on the first. 

 

Along those same lines, a sub-genre can be long established before the "best" of its kind comes along. I'm sure there were movies featuring a lone average Joe facing impossible odds before Die Hard, but you'd be hard pressed to argue against it having perfected the formula. Halloween, meanwhile, follows many of the same beats as Psycho and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and synthesizes them together as a whole new beast. 

 

Can a movie be faulted for using the same formula as another movie if it improves upon and even perfects the formula? With that in mind, what are the best (and worst) examples of movies that have perfected an already established cinematic formula?

 

 

post #2 of 6

Lethal Weapon (1987)

 

 

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There were certainly "buddy" action/cop films that came before it, but they broke the mold when they made that one.  Thank you, Shane Black!

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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Can a movie be faulted for using the same formula as another movie if it improves upon and even perfects the formula?

 

Considering I am a MASSIVE fan of both John Carpenter and Brian De Palma, my answer is a resounding NO.  A great film is a great film, no matter if it utilizes a known "formula" or not.
 

This is an excellent idea for a thread, by the way, and I'm sorry that no one has replied until now.  I hope it takes off this time.

 

post #4 of 6

I'd think James Bond is the ultimate example of refining and reinventing a formula with the times and for new sets of actors.

post #5 of 6

High Plains Drifter

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Pale Rider

Unforgiven

 

Practice makes perfect. In this case Eastwood took two decades to perfect the revenge western.

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I think there may be issues (pun intended) with veering from the formula of comic book flicks. When there's a printed comic book series that everyone loves (Spidey for instance), fans love that series for certain elements. Character traits, motifs, powers, recurring villains/supporting cast/love interests, the publishers give the audience what they want... more of the same. It's a very counter-evolutionary medium. Even when there are big events, a status quo (not unlike the average sitcom) is usually maintained. And often enough, after the big events (deaths, progeny, etc), an entire universe reboot happens anyway every other decade. So when adopting these four-color charaters to the big screen, I'm not surprised that film-makers stumble with the same reservations. Formula, regurgitation, lack of character arc, origin retelling, struggles with the mask or cape leading to quitting then ultimately accepting responsibility, etc.

 

I struggle with it for sure (see the upcoming Spidey reboot for a pointless exercise in rebooting)... The internet geeks may be burned out, but every few years there's a new set of kids ready to be introduced to what makes these characters so timeless/mythic/hero-worship-worthy.

 

 

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