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post #101 of 111
9/5/11 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post





Yeah, the nerve of them.  They probably sodomize puppies.

 

Jesus Christ, people.  We need to be more tolerant of viewpoints that we don't agree with.  This zealotry on both sides is, quite simply, tearing this country apart.


 

 

 

Judas puts it succinctly. Also, a lot of people who self identify as Republicans are fiscal conservatives, who see towering deficits as a real problem that is being poorly addressed by the current GOP, but not addressed at all by the Democrats.

 

Now waiting for the next post in Nabster's Jihad in 3-2-1....

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post #102 of 111
9/6/11 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post

 

Judas puts it succinctly. Also, a lot of people who self identify as Republicans are fiscal conservatives, who see towering deficits as a real problem that is being poorly addressed by the current GOP, but not addressed at all by the Democrats.

 

It's not being tackled by either party, and with the Republicans you get a heaping helping of social crazy thrown in to boot. THIS is why I ca't jive with anyone who still proudly toes the Republican line after the last few years. If you're a fiscal conservative, I have no real issue with that, but by supporting the current iteration of the Republican party you're a)not getting what you profess to want and b)supporting some truly odious and unpleasant social policy. And that's a dealbreaker for me - if worrying about the debt crisis, which didn't bother ANY Republican during the Bush years I might add, overrides every single other concern to the point that the Republican stance on race/homosexuality/immigration/separation of church and state doesn't matter, I pretty much think you're an ass.

 

Bruce Willis is a prime example about this. He's fiscally conservative, and heavily pro-miliatry. But when he's been asked in recent times about his political affiliation, he takes great pains to point out that he's not happy with what the Republican party has become and doesn't buy into a lot of the bullshit surrounding them.

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post #103 of 111
9/6/11 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

It's not being tackled by either party, and with the Republicans you get a heaping helping of social crazy thrown in to boot. THIS is why I ca't jive with anyone who still proudly toes the Republican line after the last few years. If you're a fiscal conservative, I have no real issue with that, but by supporting the current iteration of the Republican party you're a)not getting what you profess to want and b)supporting some truly odious and unpleasant social policy. And that's a dealbreaker for me - if worrying about the debt crisis, which didn't bother ANY Republican during the Bush years I might add, overrides every single other concern to the point that the Republican stance on race/homosexuality/immigration/separation of church and state doesn't matter, I pretty much think you're an ass.

 

....and yet despite all this, a huge number of middle-america still votes lockstep with the GOP??

 

FWIW, I posted a link to this article here- http://www.chud.com/community/t/128591/the-2012-elections-thread/300#post_3194282

 

written by a 30 yr GOP veteran....

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Far from being a rarity, virtually every bill, every nominee for Senate confirmation and every routine procedural motion is now subject to a Republican filibuster. Under the circumstances, it is no wonder that Washington is gridlocked: legislating has now become war minus the shooting, something one could have observed 80 years ago in the Reichstag of the Weimar Republic. As Hannah Arendt observed, a disciplined minority of totalitarians can use the instruments of democratic government to undermine democracy itself.

John P. Judis sums up the modern GOP this way:

 

"Over the last four decades, the Republican Party has transformed from a loyal opposition into an insurrectionary party that flouts the law when it is in the majority and threatens disorder when it is the minority. It is the party of Watergate and Iran-Contra, but also of the government shutdown in 1995 and the impeachment trial of 1999. If there is an earlier American precedent for today's Republican Party, it is the antebellum Southern Democrats of John Calhoun who threatened to nullify, or disregard, federal legislation they objected to and who later led the fight to secede from the union over slavery."

 

A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

 

IMO, the current GOP has been infected by a large group of sociopaths.

 


 

 

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post #104 of 111
9/6/11 at 12:13pm

Personally I think the name of this thread would be an excellent name for a punk band.
 

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a large group of sociopaths.

 


 

 


So would this. Bonus points if there's, like, three people in the band.

 

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post #105 of 111
9/6/11 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Blank View Post

Personally I think the name of this thread would be an excellent name for a punk band.
 


So would this. Bonus points if there's, like, three people in the band.

 

GOaR...hmmmm......"dude, did you see 'GOaR' last night...they rocked!!"

 

....if it were to be a "band" name, IMO, it should be a solo artist...even more ironic that way.

 

 

howabout.... "a plethora of sociopaths"....."a confluence...."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mTUmczVdik
 

 

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post #106 of 111
9/6/11 at 11:40pm
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It's written and directed by John Milius. It's right-wing. Not that that's a bad thing. Go to 1:15 where he talks specifically about Red Dawn.

 

 




Although I would never argue that Red Dawn is anything but a right-wing movie, I think the question of just how right-wing it is is a legitimate one. In that, it doesn't present the heroes as cut-and-dry white hats. Beyond the fact that they use revolutionary tactics that even then were equated with terrorism, you also see how they gradually lose parts of their souls. In the scene where Swayze says that the difference between them and the commies are that they were there first, I don't see that as being a line your supposed to cheer at, but rather a very good, natural example of the ways in which the lines in war get blurred and how by the end even those on the "good side" are shaded in gradations of moral ambiguity.
 

Also, though Millius is a proud gun nut, the "From my cold dead hands" scene is not without some tongue in cheek humor. God I love that movie.

 

Oh, yeah...this thread sucks.

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post #107 of 111
9/7/11 at 9:49am

more proof that Red Dawn isn't as far to the right as some people think: Ron O'Neal's sympathetic Cuban.

 

Behind the facade, I suspect Milius is a somewhat of a softie.

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post #108 of 111
9/7/11 at 12:10pm

Yeah, I was gonna say Milius goes ridiculously out of his way to humanize the Cuban general (or whatever rank). Maybe Milius likes the cigars.

 

As for the Russkies, fuck those Cyrillic-spelling motherfuckers, apparently.

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post #109 of 111
9/7/11 at 12:16pm

To be fair, this thread hasn't been about Gary Oldman for some time but rather a psychological examination of how fucked up today's GOP is.    And they are fucked up.

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post #110 of 111
9/7/11 at 12:25pm

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post #111 of 111
9/7/11 at 8:19pm


 

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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post

To be fair, this thread hasn't been about Gary Oldman for some time but rather a psychological examination of Red Dawn. It's better this way.


 

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