Gary Oldman's A Republican - Page 2

If I based my viewing habits on what actors believe politically, chances are I'd have a shitload of free time on my hands.

Liberals also make better movies. So there's that.

It's a joke; it's all a joke. Mother forgive me.

Marion Cottillard buys into 9/11 conspiracy theories.

I just can't find her attractive anymore...

I only watch Tom Cruise and John Travolta movies these days. And I only listen to Beck.

No reason.

I wonder who Michael Keaton supports. I've always liked him.

I think the reason hearing Oldman is a Republican is the fact that he seems like a smart guy.   The Republican Party for some time has tolerated (and even encourages) stupidity.     It would be one thing if Oldman was an old guard Republican who wants tax breaks and less government in their life like say Schwartzenegar but he sounds like a Tea Party Republican which carries along with it the stench of stupidity, racisim, and thuggery.    When you hear a celebrity talk about how lower taxes can help businesses be more competitve in the world marketplace, you can talk to a person like that.   If that same celebrity tells you that Obama must be stopped because he's going to make America like China and that the "jury's still out" on Global Warming, how can you hold the same respect for that person that you did before?

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Originally Posted by dynamotv 

I think the reason hearing Oldman is a Republican is the fact that he seems like a smart guy.   The Republican Party for some time has tolerated (and even encourages) stupidity.     It would be one thing if Oldman was an old guard Republican who wants tax breaks and less government in their life like say Schwartzenegar but he sounds like a Tea Party Republican which carries along with it the stench of stupidity, racisim, and thuggery.    When you hear a celebrity talk about how lower taxes can help businesses be more competitve in the world marketplace, you can talk to a person like that.   If that same celebrity tells you that Obama must be stopped because he's going to make America like China and that the "jury's still out" on Global Warming, how can you hold the same respect for that person that you did before?

<cough> Palin supporter.....Janine Turner <cough>

http://www.janineturner.com/blog/tag/president-obama/

it might be "elite" of me, but anyone that supports/ed Palin even the littlest bit, loses any sort of credibility when it comes to discussing politics...

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Originally Posted by Clarence Boddicker 

What has Downey said that was insulting about liberalism? I'm just curious. But yeah, former junkies and drunks tend to have fucked politics. AA and the like are creepy cults.

 

And speaking of Mel Gibson, he isn't even a Republican surprisingly. There were people trying to recruit him to run as a Republican, and he said something to the effect about Bush and Cheney being war-mongers.

Fuck you. Seriously, fuck off and die, you little shit. AA saved my father's life.
 

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Originally Posted by Clarence Boddicker 

What has Downey said that was insulting about liberalism? I'm just curious. But yeah, former junkies and drunks tend to have fucked politics. AA and the like are creepy cults.

 

And speaking of Mel Gibson, he isn't even a Republican surprisingly. There were people trying to recruit him to run as a Republican, and he said something to the effect about Bush and Cheney being war-mongers.

Fuck you. Seriously, fuck off and die, you little shit. AA saved my father's life.
 

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Originally Posted by VTRan 

it might be "elite" of me, but anyone that supports/ed Palin even the littlest bit, loses any sort of credibility when it comes to discussing politics...

 

Clint Eastwood.

I think the only difference is that conservatives are more open about it.  I know a lot of liberals that just seethe with anger and hate.  I guess some could call it passion, I consider it batshit crazy.  One of the things that I was amazed at is all the nasty comments that came out on Ron Silvers IMDB page when he passed like "one less Republican is a good thing" and at least a half dozen similar comments before they were ultimately deleted by admins.  Takes a screwed up asshole to make a comment like that over political affiliations.

I personally think people need to stop doing what they're told by someone just because they have an R or D beside their name and stop grouping themselves like herded buffalo.  There's nothing wrong with free thinking.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Raimi, you can see it in his work. He's an oldfashioned guy, and being rah-rah about America fits that.

 

Drag Me to Hell struck me as kind of a Republican movie. Sorry to all the fans of it, but it rubbed me the wrong way. And I'm someone who often resents liberal movies that try to suck up to my lefty viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

 

Clint Eastwood.

Could you show me where Clint Eastwood has spoken out and roundly endorsed Sarah Palin....preferably something other than gossip blogs.

 Eastwood supporting McCain I can understand, as they have apparently known each other for years.  Also, Eastwood's politics have been pretty flexible over the years....liberal on some things, conservative on others.

Don't quote me on that! My memory is fuzzy.

What I remember... Eastwood was doing an interview the day after the Vice Presidential debates between Biden and Palin. The interviewer remarked that Eastwood said something to the effect of, "Didya see those debates last night? She was really great, wasn't she? Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about." I wish I remembered the outlet, but I remember the reporter staying silent, but otherwise thinking, "Uh, WHAT???"

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

Marion Cottillard buys into 9/11 conspiracy theories.

I just can't find her attractive anymore...

Just edit the post-coital pillow talk out of your fantasies and problem solved.

Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet. I know the value of AA and respect its mission, and it has served my family well. I thought including "junkies and drunks" would highlight the intended sarcasm of the post, but I forget people don't know me personally and my dark sense of humor. My intention wasn't to offend anyone, but to point out the ridiculous nature of the thread. I'm sorry if anyone took offense to my "joke."

On a lighter note...

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Originally Posted by VTRan 

Could you show me where Clint Eastwood has spoken out and roundly endorsed Sarah Palin....preferably something other than gossip blogs.

 

 Eastwood supporting McCain I can understand, as they have apparently known each other for years.  Also, Eastwood's politics have been pretty flexible over the years....liberal on some things, conservative on others.

 

 

Proposition: anyone born before or during the Great Depression should be given a free "irrelevant old fuck" pass on politics. These people would vote for Matlock if they could. Plus come on guys, it's Clint.
 

This whole post is a little meaningless and irrelevant.  Your whole argument is people are disappointed in Gary Oldman, therefore Liberals and Conservatives are equally close-minded, that's ridiculous, and completely anecdotal.  And then you go onto quote a racist new organization that relies on lies and false news, to prove that the same news organization is in fact not racist.  Maybe we could all do with a dose of self-awareness.

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

Hm here's an article which makes an interesting point:

 

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"Conservatives don't necessarily have to be covert about their politics, but in many cases they are because the liberals aren't fair and balanced towards those with differing points of view," says Jerry Molen, the Oscar-winning producer of big Hollywood hits like "Schindler's List," "Jurassic Park" and "Rain Man."

"In too many cases, conservatives are immediately labeled racist, homophobic, bigoted, hateful, demonic, or even un-American without the benefit of debate, and are locked out of the hiring process, with a few exceptions."

 

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/01/05/hollywood-conservatives-encouraged-come-closet/

Wow, you're quoting Fox News?  That's rich.  They've been proved by media watchdogs to be a blatantly racist news organization, that also uses false information and lies.  So yea, obviously, they would say this.  They give mentally ill racists like Pam Geller platforms on national TV.  This woman is the same demented racist that seriously believes Obama is the illegitimate love child of Malcolm X, and she's treated as a hero on Faux News.  It's beyond absurd.  And un-American?  Are you kidding me?  Fox News is notorious for calling others un-American, it's basically their past-time.  And it's not an interesting quote its laughable, and incredibly ironic considering no news organization indulges in name calling more than Fox News, and the racist news organizations of Newscorp.

And no, liberals and conservatives are not equally close-minded, saying it's so without a good argument or proof doesn't make it true. 

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Originally Posted by Nabster 

 

 

 

This whole post is a little meaningless and irrelevant.  Your whole argument is people are disappointed in Gary Oldman, therefore Liberals and Conservatives are equally close-minded, that's ridiculous, and completely anecdotal.  And then you go onto quote a racist new organization that relies on lies and false news, to prove that the same news organization is in fact not racist.  Maybe we could all do with a dose of self-awareness.

 

Wow, you're quoting Fox News?  That's rich.  They've been proved by media watchdogs to be a blatantly racist news organization, that also uses false information and lies.  So yea, obviously, they would say this.  They give mentally ill racists like Pam Geller platforms on national TV.  This woman is the same demented racist that seriously believes Obama is the illegitimate love child of Malcolm X, and she's treated as a hero on Faux News.  It's beyond absurd.  And un-American?  Are you kidding me?  Fox News is notorious for calling others un-American, it's basically their past-time.  And it's not an interesting quote its laughable, and incredibly ironic considering no news organization indulges in name calling more than Fox News, and the racist news organizations of Newscorp.

 

And no, liberals and conservatives are not equally close-minded, saying it's so without a good argument or proof doesn't make it true. 

No you jackass, I'm pointing out that it's idiotic to let an actor's political beliefs (which he does not blatantly inject into his work)affect their opinion of his work as an actor. My "anecdotes" derive from this thread.

Fox news is biased? Gosh really? Pick up a copy of the nation, or listen to NPR.
 

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

No you jackass, I'm pointing out that it's idiotic to let an actor's political beliefs (which he does not blatantly inject into his work)affect their opinion of his work as an actor. My "anecdotes" derive from this thread.

 

Fox news is biased? Gosh really? Pick up a copy of the nation, or listen to NPR.
 

 

Stop backtracking, but I understand the desire since you keep embarrassing yourself with idiotic posts.  You said, liberals are just as close minded as conservatives, as the above quote shows.  But now its oh, " you shouldn't judge an actor by his beliefs."  And the argument has been about Gary Oldman saying intolerance starts with liberals, not about whether or not we should judge an actor by his beliefs you retard.  So please learn to read.

No one was saying one SHOULD judge an actor or should not enjoy their work due to their political beliefs, I certainly wasn't you dim wit.  So stop making things up in your head.

And comparing NPR to Fox News?  Again, pulling idiotic statements out of your ass does not constitute an argument, and I didn't say anything about bias I said media watch dogs have proved Fox News relies on false news, lies, and racism.  That cannot be said of NPR.  And that's completely different from simple bias.

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Originally Posted by Nabster 

 

 

  You said, liberals are just as close minded as conservatives, as the above quote shows. 

You prove that point yourself with every post.

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

No you jackass, I'm pointing out that it's idiotic to let an actor's political beliefs (which he does not blatantly inject into his work)affect their opinion of his work as an actor. My "anecdotes" derive from this thread.

 

Fox news is biased? Gosh really? Pick up a copy of the nation, or listen to NPR.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Nabster 

 

And comparing NPR to Fox News?  Again, pulling idiotic statements out of your ass does not constitute an argument, and I didn't say anything about bias I said media watch dogs have proved Fox News relies on false news, lies, and racism.  That cannot be said of NPR.  And that's completely different from simple bias.

So you are saying that the article I quoted from/linked to is a lie? That they made it up? The people quoted didn't actually say what they are quoted as saying? Or that any content posted on a Fox News website is de facto a lie?

As for NPR: they have quite high journalistic standards, but the choice of stories they run most certainly has a bias to it.
 

Please, folks.

It's "closed-minded." Not "close-minded," whatever the hell that is.

Pet peeve. Sorry.

I don't even know what the fuck half of you are arguing about at this point. I get the feeling you don't either.

Seriously, whats the actual problem here?

Both the right wing and left wing are mean. But mostly the right wing. But maybe not, because everyone in this thread is mean. So, proof. Also, Gary Oldman may or may not be deserving of respect. Probably. But maybe not. Michael Caine, though? Asshole. AMIRITE? GUYEZ?

The problem is some Chewer's think Gary Oldman is thinking Wrong Thoughts!

Oldmans still my favorite actor regardless of his politics. I don;t have to shoot the shit with the guy, just marvel at his talent. 

Exactly!

My only concern with Liberals and Conservative via the medium of film is whether they actually did something of merit or something I enjoyed. Their personal politics don't mean much. Yeah, I might be a little disappointed if I found out a favorite has views that are diametrically opposed to mine (most of them probably are) but it doesn't affect my judgment or appreciation of their work.

Of course, I'm a Communist so they're all bourgeois fascists exploiting the proletariat. Am I right comrades?

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

 I find it unnerving that people would still proudly self-identify as Republicans, with no caveats, after the last few years. 

Yeah, the nerve of them.  They probably sodomize puppies.

Jesus Christ, people.  We need to be more tolerant of viewpoints that we don't agree with.  This zealotry on both sides is, quite simply, tearing this country apart.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

Both the right wing and left wing are mean. But mostly the right wing. But maybe not, because everyone in this thread is mean. So, proof. Also, Gary Oldman may or may not be deserving of respect. Probably. But maybe not. Michael Caine, though? Asshole. AMIRITE? GUYEZ?

Well, goes without saying. He was in Jaws: The Revenge. 

This is probably why a lot of people wish actors, or artists of any stripe, would just not talk. It's also why a lot of actors/AOAS do just that thing and don't talk. It distracts the audience from their art. The less you know about their personal lives and/or the way they vote, the easier their job is.

That said, I'm sure there are Republicans who are glad to have at least a few artists in their corner.

Though when your Republican stance leads you to make or be in a piece of shit like An American Carol, or leads you to turn into a hacky shill like Dennis Miller, it does affect the art and as a Republican artist you've pretty much picked the arid, artless hill you want to die on.

Part of it, too, is that they just don't make right-wing fantasies like they used to. Dirty Harry, the original Death Wish, Red Dawn, even Rambo: First Blood Part II to some guilty-pleasure extent — they're all action pieces that appeal to the lizard brain no matter how you vote, and nobody's really making stuff like that any more. Stuff like Harry Brown is an anomaly. Though I question how right-wing Red Dawn really is. Like Rambo, it seems to come from some paranoid Guns & Ammo worldview that thinks all politics suck.

Back on topic: Gary Oldman isn't really in a position to vote for anything that's going to affect my life or the laws that govern it. So I'll continue to enjoy his take on James Gordon.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

Oldmans still my favorite actor regardless of his politics. I don;t have to shoot the shit with the guy, just marvel at his talent. 

A shorter, better way of saying what I said.

On a different tip, I once wrote an article about asshole directors back when that David O. Russell vs. Lily Tomlin TO THE DEATH video was making the rounds. My conclusion: I don't have to work for the asshole, so I don't give a fuck. If his movies are assholes, that's another thing. If his movies are awesome, then I didn't waste my time and money. Do I feel sorry for the folks who have to work on his set? Sure. Do I also feel sorry for far less well-paid people in the hundreds of thousands outside Hollywood who also get screamed at by their bosses? Sure. Those bosses don't make movies.

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

Fox news is biased? Gosh really? Pick up a copy of the nation, or listen to NPR.
 

 it should be noted that "The Nation" magazine is admittedly liberal in its' slant and does not attempt to be something it isn't.....unlike FoxNews, which (poorly) attempts to paint itself as a middle-of-the-road, unbiased news organization....to anyone that has ever watched it for any length of time, this "fair and balanced" claim is absolute bullshit.

and as far as NPR goes...they are pretty middle of the road.

The problem is that when someone's political leanings are 'far right', the 'center' is perceived as 'left' and considered 'liberal'.  

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Originally Posted by Martin Blank 

Though I question how right-wing Red Dawn really is.

It's written and directed by John Milius. It's right-wing. Not that that's a bad thing. Go to 1:15 where he talks specifically about Red Dawn.

Now I'm interested in how Pat Sajak and Wheel of Fortune works into that whole topic at the end of the video!

Actors should act. They tend to get in trouble when they start thinking.

I see Chud political discussion is as insufferable and shrill as ever. Almost no talk about the specifics of what Oldman actually believes or thinks about things - of course not, what does that matter? He's a conservative! A Republican! A monster! Is it okay to support the work of someone so dangerously incorrect!?

This seems appropriate

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

You prove that point yourself with every post.

 

Wait I though you were just saying "I'm pointing out that it's idiotic to let an actor's political beliefs (which he does not blatantly inject into his work)affect their opinion of his work as an actor.", and not that liberals and conservatives are equally close minded.

After claiming you didn't say liberals and conservatives are equally close-minded, and then being contradicted by your own quote, that's what you got?  And no, I didn't prove any such thing with any post.  But thanks for explaining how this is true.  And merely believing liberals and conservatives are not equally close-minded does not prove that they are in fact equally close-minded, that's a silly rationale. 

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

 

 

So you are saying that the article I quoted from/linked to is a lie? That they made it up? The people quoted didn't actually say what they are quoted as saying? Or that any content posted on a Fox News website is de facto a lie?

 

As for NPR: they have quite high journalistic standards, but the choice of stories they run most certainly has a bias to it.
 

 

No I'm saying quoting Fox News, a news organization that spouts racism, bigotry, lies, and false news, as proof that that they are unfairly maligned for being racist bigoted and liars is ironic, and a little ridiculous.  And Fox News complaining other people malign dissenters as un-American is especially ironic and ridiculous. 

And yes NPR does have high journalistic standards, and maybe the slightest of bias as I acknowledged, so I don't know why you're repeating this, but if you believe this then why would you compare them to Fox News?  Fox News is vile and has no journalistic integrity; it's a joke.  And anyone noticing shouldn't need studies, media watchdogs, documentaries, or ex-employees to know this; it's really obvious.  Remember, this is a news organization that systematically presents false information as facts, to advance an agenda, and gives platforms to vile bigoted racists.  How anyone can defend them is pathetic. 

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Originally Posted by Paul C 

Almost no talk about the specifics of what Oldman actually believes or thinks about things ...

I was just wondering about that myself. It seems reductive to stereotype all Republicans as homophobes, religious nuts and missionary positionists. The quote that Cylon posted rings true somewhat: "In too many cases, conservatives are immediately labeled racist, homophobic, bigoted, hateful, demonic, or even un-American without the benefit of debate ..."

Why isn't there a link to what Sir Gary said so we can at least know where the man himself stands before we make our own decision on the content of his soul? Don't we owe him that before we slather him in honey and unleash the bears?

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog 

I don't even know what the fuck half of you are arguing about at this point. I get the feeling you don't either.

 

Seriously, whats the actual problem here?

It's pretty easy.  Oldman said intolerance starts with liberals.  Some of us think that's ridiculous.  I don't think a single person has said they don't enjoy Oldman now that they know he is a republican.

I do find it disappointing that he supports Bush, but that doesn't change me enjoying his acting or films.  Hell, I love Gibson too.

Might be splitting hairs here, but didnt he say intolerance starts with Democrats?  I see that as considerably different than saying intolerance starts with liberals.  I consider myself relatively conservative, yet I don't identify with the Republican party in any way, shape or form.  He was making an observation about an American political affiliation during a time when anybody who stated that they didn't plan on voting for Obama was labeled a racist (including myself by other members on this forum).

And he further expanded on that by bitching about political correctness.  Then he went on to recommend they teach a "tolerance" class in school.

Sounds like a real asshole to me.

Cliff notes: this thread sucks.

BTW, a google search of "gary oldman supports bush" turns up nothing but internet forums filled with posters saying "OMFG I just heard Oldman supports BUSH!!!!!@@!@@##!!~!!"

So far the only "proof" I've come across is him quoting Bush on Miller's show...where he said something along the lines of "It's like Bush said recently, we have to start being citizens and stop being spectators."

Which, I guess, is about one step away from being the guy's Chief of Staff....right?

One thing to bear in mind is that artists, by nature, don't like being told what to do or how to do it.

I'm a lefty, but I can sigh and point to as many examples of liberals tsk-tsking artists over their work as conservatives. Maybe more. Probably more. (There's Easily Offended by Art on the left and Easily Offended by Art on the right, but you seem to hear more often from the former, unless there's something like Piss Christ or Chaz Bono to inveigh against.)

Oldman strikes me as the kind of guy who resents being told that some performance he gave or some movie he was in is offensive.

Given the majority of his roles, I'm guessing that the majority of shit he may have caught has been from the left.

Other than that, he probably isn't actually all that political.

The other thing is that, given his performance in The Contender, where he played a Republican as pretty much a dick and was made up to look like one too, many might've assumed he was a dyed-in-the-wool lefty pinko. Hence the surprise from some quarters.