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post #301 of 390

Ratings were down again to a series low.

 

This season will be its last i guess.

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Ratings were down again to a series low.

 

This season will be its last i guess.



Gotta think they can get 13 episodes from Fox.  that get them to over 100.

 

Esp since Alcatraz/dino show/and probably the Keifer show all/will bomb.  Atleast this has a fanbase.

 

post #303 of 390

I think those syndication dollars will get this over the top I think.   I do like that they had the foresight to film a series finale ending just in case.  

post #304 of 390

I am honestly surprised it lasted as long as it did.

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I hear that syndication is not a deal maker since it is a genre show with overall mythology.  I don't know if it nepotism, but fox is hanging on quite hard considering how hard they tried to kill it.  Fox, over the years, has given me so many good shows and I am thankful.  However, they don't manage them well. Hopefully the WB licensing will be wiped out and we can get a final season.

post #306 of 390

Being a genre/mythology show wouldn't matter to syndication, would it? I understand why that's bad for repeats, but surely syndication is where the broadcaster would keep airing the show from start to finish over and over again (Buffy is always being shown on some cable channel here in the UK).

post #307 of 390

I wouldn't think it would matter.  Only repeating what I read on several sites speculating it's syndication prospects.  And as far as I understand, 100 is no longer the magic number.  Around 80 is the accepted minimum now I guess.

post #308 of 390

Season 5 very possible?

 

 

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Fox is close to renewing Fringe for a fifth and final season, TVWise has learned. For the past couple of months, Fox has been having discussions with Warner Bros. Television about the future of the low rated series. Sources familiar with said discussions tell me that, while there are still a few points that need ironing out, a deal for a fifth and final season of 13 episodes is expected to be reached within the next few weeks.

I’m told that one issue that has been resolved is the length of this fifth and final season; with WB initially pushing for a full season of 22 episodes, while Fox expressed that they would be more comfortable with a “limited episode order” of 7 – 13 episodes, which would get the show close to or past the 100 episode mark required for syndication. Another issue that has been widely reported on is Fox’s licensing fee for the series. I’m told that WB has offered Fox “a substantially lower” fee for the fifth season. As such, insiders tell me that they expect Fox to announce the renewal of Fringe for a fifth and final season of 13 episodes in the coming weeks.

This news will come as a relief to fans of the series, which has had a hard time in the ratings for its last two seasons. The latest episode of the sci-fi series attracted a mere 3 million viewers and a 1.0 rating in the 18-49 demographic in live+same day. With those numbers, most shows would be looking at certain cancellation, but the amount of money Warner Bros. stands to make from off-network syndication deals is the driving force behind the series’ future. The only real question that still needs to be answered is will we see an announcement before the network’s upfront presentation in May?

 

 

 

 

post #309 of 390

So is that the 4th title sequence?

 

Ballsy future episode.  Wondering if they will say this is a definate future or a possible one.  Becase didn't Peter get a glimpse of this?

post #310 of 390

Clever way of having a Nimoy cameo... it has me wondering how they intend to handle the implied, "what he did to Olivia" moment that seems to be upcoming.

 

Man, Abraham's casting people have a knack for finding beautiful (relatively) unknown actresses. Peter and Olivia's daughter is Australian, of course.

 

Do not like Mean Walter. Except for cutting off Bell's hand. And even mean Walter can't remember Astro's name.

 

Poor Desmond, he doesn't even get to meet up with everyone in the afterlife.

 

It's odd how this episode left off with practically a "To be Continued...", but we're headed back to the present next week. Still, that was a fun taste, and has me getting my hopes up for a 4th and final season, if only to pay this storyline off.

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It's odd how this episode left off with practically a "To be Continued...", but we're headed back to the present next week.

 

 

Really? Damn. I was totally hoping it was a two-parter. You know, I'd totally watch a spin-off show set in the future of Fringe with Bad Walter, Peter, Henrietta, Astrid and Leonard Nimroy's hand.

 

I'd want Desmond...um, I mean Simon, back too though.

 

Anyway, that was a really good episode. One of my favorites from this season, in fact.

post #312 of 390

My DVR fritzed do to a broadcast signal so I saw a fight begin in the bar between Observers and then all of a sudden Simon and Henrietta? have Walter. Did I miss anything important?

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My DVR fritzed do to a broadcast signal so I saw a fight begin in the bar between Observers and then all of a sudden Simon and Henrietta? have Walter. Did I miss anything important?

 

Etta rescued barfight guy from getting Scanner-ed by the Observer, and he showed something he had brought for her in the back of his van... Amber-ed Walter. Then an Observer-friendly human sniper took out barfight guy and Etta drove off. Henry helps Etta de-Amber Walter.

 

That's the gist of it... You could use Hulu to see it in greater detail, I think.

post #314 of 390

Loved every second of this, from the Blade Runner-esque opening, to Desmond!, Walter's Star Wars references, and the final moments between Peter and Etta (which I guessed pretty early on, but that still didn't stop me from getting all verklemmt.)  It almost felt like a pilot for a spinoff series, and if this is the direction they want to take a potential fifth season, I'm looking forward to it.

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thank you.

post #316 of 390

This was a great episode. How come Henry Ian Cusick doesn't have his own show? He plays sensitive and tragic so well. Awe. 

 

Loved Etta, and I think the continuity on this show is just great. Walter gets his old brain back, and he reverts to a nasty, meaner Walternate type of character. How many versions of Walter has John Noble played again?

 

Also the continuance of the "First People" with Astro, Walter and Peter. No Olivia. Poor Olivia. I'm assuming that the bullet Etta wore around her neck is the bullet that kills Olivia, like it did in the other future? Except maybe she was murdered by Bell and not Walternate in this reality.

 

There was no mention of a red-verse, and I'm wondering if this is the result of DRJ's merging of the universes. 

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There was no mention of a red-verse, and I'm wondering if this is the result of DRJ's merging of the universes. 

 

Possibly. Nina and Massive Dynamic were from UniverseA, while the amber, Bell and lack of coffee were from UniverseB.

 

So either Jones is going to succeed, or this episode was doubly weird in trailing off at the end when it's a future that will never happen.

 

The timeline indicates we can expect an Olivia pregnancy announcement during the finale... and that the "You have to die" angle may not be addressed at all this season.

post #318 of 390

Well, "our" Walter from universe A developed amber to use over here (I think when the older couple from both universes were hooking up), but they ended up not needing it, so the technology is definitely here already. 

 

William Bell was dead in both universes, wasn't he? Redverse William Bell died in a car accident, and blueverse Bell...don't know how he died in this current timeline, since the Fringe team went to the redverse to save Peter and Bell had to sacrifice himself to get them back home. But Peter didn't exist in this timeline so ...

 

Lack of coffee definitely, and I don't think they threw that in for no reason.

 

Broyles office also looked like the badass redverse Fringe division. 

post #319 of 390

Sure, only Massive Dynamic HAD to be in a specific universe. But the other elements were pretty strongly tied to one or the other. I want to say original Bell said he could no longer travel between universes - that too many crossings had left his body unstable.

 

The characters never mentioning the other universe, the 'bridge' or the machine that could alter timelines seemed conspicuous.

 

The previous episode of this type last season was a, "What if they fail?" scenario, wasn't it? It would make sense for this one to be similar.

 

I'm also curious if they'll tie Jones to the Observers; either that Jones' plan is intended to thwart the Observers in some way, or that the Observers' taking action would be a direct result of Jones slamming the universes together - that in his zeal to create a better world, he set it on a path to destruction that the forced the Observers to intercede.

post #320 of 390

I wondered that also, if Jones' plans to collapse the universe is some kind of twisted, mad scientist-y approach to defeating the Observers. 

 

I'm rooting for Jones to succeed, just because I really, really want to know what would happen to the characters with counterparts in a joined world. 

post #321 of 390

Realized I hadn't seen Fringe in 2 weeks and rectified that tonight. Holy hell - what a duo to watch back-to-back! Poor alt-Broyles. First he was killed, then he is jailed, and finally he spends years being a lackey for evil Observors. Can't B catch a break? And what's with Walter having a thing with cutting off people's hands?! Back-to-back eps with sawed off limbs!

 

The ep from 2 weeks was great. I laughed so hard at Walter in that robe. Love that alt-Liv didn't bat an eye. It also provided a lot of answers about Broyles and Jones. Glad Broyles had a change of heart, but it is bittersweet in that his son is likely to die. I guess Walter could analyze the drugs and try to replicate them. But, I imagine Jones will be none-to-happy. If Jones intends to destroy the two universes, it lends credence to our previous guesses that a third would be introduced. Which leads to this past ep...

 

It certainly seems like the universe we saw was a hybrid of Universe A & B. This ep was so much fun! I loved every single second. Desmond definitely needs to be in more shows. It was super predictable that Etta was Liv and Peter's kid, but it was great seeing the reveal none-the-less. It certainly seems that Liv is dead or that whatever Bell did involved the slug around Etta's neck. Mean Walter was fun to see, but memory loss Walter was a blast. "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

 

So the Observors ruined the planet so went back in time to repopulate? That seems very un-Observor like. Though I guess our only introduction to what The Observors are like is from their "science" team. It could very well be that other Observors aren't so nice. Speaking of which, the baddy Observor who chased the gang into Massive Dynamic looked like an evil Anderson Cooper. It cracked me up the whole time. So did all the "old" make up. With all the special effects this show has, they've always had issues with aging the characters. Broyles' makeup looked particularly bad.

 

That said, I want to hang out in this world. I'll be sad if we don't revisit soon.

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I'm also curious if they'll tie Jones to the Observers; either that Jones' plan is intended to thwart the Observers in some way, or that the Observers' taking action would be a direct result of Jones slamming the universes together - that in his zeal to create a better world, he set it on a path to destruction that the forced the Observers to intercede.

 

 

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I wondered that also, if Jones' plans to collapse the universe is some kind of twisted, mad scientist-y approach to defeating the Observers. 

 

I'm rooting for Jones to succeed, just because I really, really want to know what would happen to the characters with counterparts in a joined world. 

 

I took Jones' plan to be to destroy the two universes, not merge them. The latter also doesn't seem possible. There have been past eps where we learn that two universes cannot occupy the same space, so when one universe bleeds into the other, whatever was at that spot disappears. Also, if the two universes were calibrated on the same frequency - which seemed to be Jones' plan - it would destabilize the magnetic energy likely causing the planets to crash/be destroyed like the plane and taxi. Jones' comments to Broyles when he handed him the device made it seem that he was from a third universe. Jones said something like "I only care about MY world."

 

post #323 of 390

Well... I certainly didn't expect THAT. Very cool episode though it always worries me when shows on the bubble introduce drastically new elements this late in the game. Hopefully they get a chance to tie it all together in the end.

post #324 of 390

Haven't commented here in a while, but just had to drop in and say that this is one of the ballsiest shows on network television. Just amazing.

post #325 of 390

It's official: 13 episode Fifth and Final Season a go.

post #326 of 390

Glad.

post #327 of 390

Yeah, called it.  Good thing, since it does seem like they're building to something.

post #328 of 390

Jackson is quoted as saying that last week's episode gave giant clues as to where Season 5 would go.

post #329 of 390

I'm certainly looking forward to seeing more of Georgina Haig... for, um, plot related reasons.  Yeah, that's it.

post #330 of 390

 

YES! So glad they're getting one more season, especially after that awesome future episode.  FRINGE has really become such a crazy, epic show that one more season to tie it all up is fantastic news indeed.

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Great news, although I wish they had wrapped up the other alt-future story on the show instead of in the damn comics. It was a season ending cliffhanger!
post #332 of 390

In the comics? How do they wrap it up?

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Now I just hope they deliver.  That's all I want dammit.  A genre show that has an ending that doesn't have me picking it apart or just pissed.
 

post #334 of 390

I hope this also means less stand-alone MOW episodes. Those type of episodes have been the weak link the show, especially this season, and they really need to devote what time they have left to the end-game.

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Not sure i care much about the Observer Invasion Timeline though.

post #336 of 390

Very cool episode last week and great news today.  While there seemed to be some very big holes with the Observer future, I thought it was cool as all get out.  I hope they do indeed continue this storyline.  I wonder what Walter meant when he was talking about September.  Was he heroic or did he do something super evil?

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I wish they would have brought up Jones wanting to destroy the bridge and then using it for the earthquakes?  Doesn't make sense.

 

Jones is probably fighting THe Observers and the Fringe teams fucked it up.

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I wish they would have brought up Jones wanting to destroy the bridge and then using it for the earthquakes?  Doesn't make sense.

 

Jones is probably fighting THe Observers and the Fringe teams fucked it up.

 


Wait, I thought they destroyed the bridge BECAUSE the fact that it existed enabled Jones to have the cortexiphan kids cause the earthquakes. At least that what I thought was going on.

 

Another great episode tonight. That being said, this was another one, like the Astrid-episode that would have destroyed me if it the new-timeline stuff never happened. I loved the Alt-Universe characters in Season 3, but we didn't get enough of them this year, I think. Still, this was so well written and acted (Salute to John Noble for the Walter/Walternate scene - actually, everyone had a great moment tonight - Alt-Astrid's meek wave goodbye, and Bolivia's blushing were great moments too) that it still worked for me.

 

But, then again, without the Alt-Timeline, we wouldn't have had the return of Jones, the Were-porcupines or the return of the Cortexiphan kids. It almost feels like they only reason they did the Peter thing was to get a redo on all the uneven Season 1 stuff.

 

AND they answered one of my personal burning questions - how the hell Alt-Linc recognized Nick Lane in the season 2 finale. Wasn't a big deal, but it was pet peeve that was bugging me. Now if they would just solve who from the mob (it was the mob, right?) was after Peter in the first half of season 1, but I think that one's a lost cause.

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I was kind of disappointed that nothing weird happened when Nick tried to trigger the earthquake while Alt-Nick was on our side. Like Alt-Nick should have pulled a Scanners or something.

 

And then I thought that overloading the bridge was actually what Jones was trying to get them to do, and again, nothing.

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I mentioned this in the "Actors who should have bigger careers" thread: it's a travesty that John Noble isn't a huge star. The scene with Walter and Walternate felt like two people conversing, and Walter's inability to look Nick in the eye while they spoke was played perfectly.

 

It's a compliment to the rest of the cast that they aren't blown off the screen by Noble, since he's putting on a parformance easily in the same breath as the very best on TV.

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And then I thought that overloading the bridge was actually what Jones was trying to get them to do, and again, nothing.

 

That's what I kept thinking.  Whas that device some sort of amplifier?  Could have sworn they said it might destroy the bridge.

post #342 of 390

If they time the premiere and off-weeks right, the final episode of Fringe could air on Friday, December 21, 2012.  How perfect is that?

post #343 of 390

Well a day has passed and yes I already miss the other side.

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If they time the premiere and off-weeks right, the final episode of Fringe could air on Friday, December 21, 2012.  How perfect is that?

 

Unless they're burning off episodes it won't air that close to Xmas, but that would be funny. 

 

Of course that date is just the Mayan equivalent of Dec 31st, 1999... which would make for an anticlimactic series finale... "The clock is ticking down, we're OUT OF TIME! Hmm, my watch broke." fin.

post #345 of 390

I'd bet they do a 24 and air them all in order starting in Jan or Feb.

post #346 of 390

Hard to say. With it airing on Friday ("dead night"), they're not going to schedule it like an event, or use the slot for another show they care about. They'll just air it whenever Gordon Ramsay needs a vacation. smile.gif

 

If I had to guess (and I do!), I'd say they'll air it in the fall, 5-6 before the baseball playoffs, and the rest after, ending a week or two before Xmas.

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I'm sure this won't be the last we'll see of the other side, but it makes me so sad that it's probably the last they'll see of each other. "I think I shall miss them." ME TOO WALTER! *sob*

 

It was all just so final. And that poor bastard Lincoln, he'll never drink coffee again. Worst fate ever. (But does anyone find it interesting that he has pretty much assumed Alt Linc's identity over there in Fringe division and has decided to make his home in a place where Alt Linc's parents are STILL ALIVE. Awkward.)

 

I'm hoping that they will air the final seasson starting in 2013, just in case whichever show Fox puts in its place on Friday night flops horribly, and they'll have to reconsider if no audience is better than some audience. The NBC effect--they keep canceling shows with poor numbers just to replace them with shows that perform even worse. I'll bet NBC would kill for Journeyman's 10 million plus viewership now....but I digress.

 

I don't think any resolution will be as satisfying as it can be as long as the majority of our characters don't remember the previous timeline. As much as I loved the final scenes between all of the characters, it would have been so much more impacting had it been the original recipe Fringe teams. Except for Olivia and Faux of course, there was no repairing that fucked up relationship because Peter was at the center of it. 

post #348 of 390

Just caught up with this ep. It certainly felt like it was meant to be the season finale. I found it rather predictable, but because it was so well acted I didn't mind. I'm not sure why people have a problem with Jones' plan. That was one of the things I found predictable. I mentioned earlier in the thread that Jones probably wanted to blow up the bridge so that the two universes would be destroyed, and that he would be safe on a third one.* I didn't however connect the Westwood ep with his plan - that he was creating a "safe" zone that would remain after the two universes were destroyed.

 

It was kind of ingenious that Jones was using the cortexaphan kids to do his dirty work, but not unsurprising since he spent most of Season 1 going after Liv. And it now makes sense why he was dosing her in the current timeline. Though if she wasn't needed to complete the plan, I'm not sure what else he might have been dosing her for. And as mentioned above, I liked the call back to a previous episode where Lincoln recognizes Nick.

 

It was also very predictable that Lincoln would stay with the Alt-Fringe team. But since they didn't have much for him to do on our side, that's ok. My only disappointment is that destroying the Bridge didn't "reset" the original timeline. This incarnation of Walter has come a long way, but the old one had years to get over his agoraphobia and connect with the Fringe team. I feel like the rapport isn't quite where it was. And Liv magically regaining her memories continues to be a huge thorn in my side. That said, Peter didn't actually get in the machine so a major reboot seemed unlikely.

 

In any case, I'll miss the alt-Fringe team. But I'm ready for a new phase in the story. We have the gang back together (in a slightly different way) and I'm ready to hang out with them for awhile.
 

 

*But I formulated this opinion after he asked alt-Broyles to plant the device that would retune the two worlds. Thinking about that ep now, it seems odd that Jones' plan now involves the cortexaphan kids as the returners. Either Jones had incredible foresight and worked on two master plans simultaneously or the writers' didn't think we'd make the connections.

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*But I formulated this opinion after he asked alt-Broyles to plant the device that would retune the two worlds. Thinking about that ep now, it seems odd that Jones' plan now involves the cortexaphan kids as the returners. Either Jones had incredible foresight and worked on two master plans simultaneously or the writers' didn't think we'd make the connections.

 

I still remember the Rama books by Aurthur C Clarke pounding home the idea of triple redundancy being vital to the success of important systems. This is only the most ambitious ploy ever devised by a human mind, it makes sense that Jones would have a backup plan (or two). If his life's work completely depended on Broyles, an enemy being blackmailed, it'd be a pretty tenuous plan.

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Wow, I can honestly say I didn't expect Nimoy to turn up again, what with him supposedly being retired from acting and all that.  Granted, I haven't been paying attention to spoilers for this show, but I'd say they did a pretty good job keeping his reappearance under wraps.  Bad Robot must have some dirt on him or something.  Certainly gives some weight to the rumors that he'll be back in the Star Trek sequel, as well.

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