X-MEN, WOLVERINE, DEADPOOL… MARVEL MOVIES NOT DOING SO WELL OUTSIDE OF MARVEL

DEADPOOL should be directed by someone with Neveldine/Taylor style. I see CRANK (in tone) as a good standard for this character. It needs to be OTT and not afraid to break the 4th wall.

I suppose it could be argued that the only thing worse than Fox not making more Marvel movies would be Fox making more Marvel movies.

The Wolverine in Japan story could be a good movie, but I'm not confident that it's the right move for Jackman anyway (particularly if Les Miz proves to be the kind of Oscar bait it has the potential to be). I'll be surprised if it actually happens, at least not without a recast/reboot.

I have no idea if Fassbender is contracted for more X-Men, and would assume that he's going to be far too busy to revisit the role anytime soon, and since he and Bacon did most of the heavy lifting in First Class, that pretty much leaves Mr. Tumnus and a bunch of boring kids to carry on the franchise.

And a cinematic Deadpool will probably just be a wisecracking action hero, in some vaguely superhero-type costume.

Of course, these all have to be made in some fashion, don't they? Or will Fox, at some point, decide they're better off letting the rights revert back to Marvel than spending the money to actually make the movies?

Speaking of Fox, what about F4?

Only one in that group I see happening is the Wolverine sequel and that's 100% because of Jackman.

Anyone that thinks Jackman will abandon the character of Wolverine anytime soon is crazy.  It is his bread & butter.  The man has had VERY FEW hits outside of the X-franchise and will certainly not stop making them until that changes.  Let's also not forget that he is still gung-ho about finishing out a trilogy of solo adventures for the character.  Anyway, I think everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill.  His my best guess at the future.....

The Wolverine (2013) - It will happen, but if it isn't shooting until next summer at the earliest, then it will likely get a Summer 2013 release.  The only reason it was postponed in the first place (outside of Aronofsky's departure and the devastation that Japan saw recently) is because Jackman has been jonesing to star in a musical for years now and Les Miserable happened to come along at the right time.

Deadpool (2013) - Reynolds is filming Robert Schwentke's RIPD this fall and literally has nothing locked after that.  Outside of occasional rumblings of him teaming up again with Sandra Bullock, he has nothing waiting in the wings outside of this.  It has a director (Tim Miller) and a script that is ready to go, so as long as a deal can be made I expect this to be shooting by spring or summer of next year.  Look for a late 2012/early 2013 release.  And before everyone starts carrying on, YES it is going to be R-rated and YES he is going to break the 4th wall constantly.  Both have been confirmed numerous times by Reynolds and Donner.

X-Men: First Class 2 (2014?) - We basically get a new X-Men movie every three years, so I expect this to follow suit.  Matthew Vaughn will likely return (after possibly directing another film in the meantime) and oversee the project, as will the cast (all of whom signed 3-film contracts).  Fassbender (and McAvoy) won't have an option of being "too busy", as they are contractually obligated to return.  I suspect they will take their time to develop this one, as the first came together rather quickly.  If Taylor Kitsch's career takes off next year, I wouldn't be surprised if they exercise his contract option and bring him back as Gambit in this puppy.

All three will happen, it's just a matter of when.  An actual X-Men 4 would make no sense financially at this point.  The only character from the original trilogy that the general audience really cares about is Wolverine and they are already getting solo flicks.  It would make no sense for Fox to try and get Berry, Paquin, McKellan, etc. back.  None of them are contracted to return, so they could ask for whatever ridiculous amount they wanted to.  Hell, you could easily have the story of Wolverine 3 set after The Last Stand and just include whatever actors that are willing to return to tag along on one last solo adventure with Wolverine.  Barring home video sales being bad for First Class (highly unlikely), that film is the future of the franchise...............especially since they have 30 some years of time to cover with whatever tales they conjure up.  We will probably end up getting both a First Class 3 and a Wolverine 3.  The question you really have to ask is what direction will the franchise take a decade from now?

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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 

Speaking of Fox, what about F4?

That's another silver lining to all this delays with the X franchises, actually. If they can't get going then I don't see why reboots of DD and F4 will. Which just increases the odds of them falling back into Marvel/Disney.

Don't they just have to be 'in development' for Fox to retain the rights?

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Originally Posted by Fafhrd 

Don't they just have to be 'in development' for Fox to retain the rights?

I believe this is true, which means, effectively, FF4, DD and X-Men will never revert back to Marvel. You'd think they'd be willing to let FF4 and DD go, as they're hardly big money makers nor has Fox proven itself to be able to wring significantly successful films from those characters. But realistically, they're always going to to do the minimal amount to keep the rights.

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Originally Posted by Fafhrd 

Don't they just have to be 'in development' for Fox to retain the rights?

DD maybe, but allegedly F4 has a different deal and needs to have 3 films produced before the end of 2012.

Can the Punisher pop up in Marvel flicks now? Didn't Lionsgate give those rights up? What about Blade? Haven't seen anything from defunct New Line (or does parent-company WB now have the rights?) since the show ended. I have a feeling Sony will be rebooting Spidey every few years.

The Punisher is indeed back at Marvel, and Ray Stevenson will likely be retained. Though I doubt Stevenson would show up in a solo movie. Maybe a TV show.

I have heard Blade is back at Marvel too, but I'm not sure how correct that is.

None of this is surprising. Fox could lose these characters if they don't proceed cautiously (ie make quality product).

As SD said Jackman and Wolverine will continue. I just can't see it working.

Hoping Matthew Vaughn gets the reign with the future X-Men installments. Loved first class above all the studio fare myself this summer.

F4 need a whole new direction. Go cosmic or go home.

Daredevil. Well it needs a filmmaker that wants Marvel's cheap version of Batman. I think the character is great but it needs the right touch.

I always wanted Guy Pearce but he's too old now. I'd take Scott Adkins Chiwetel Ojofor personally.

As for Deadpool its just not something that can be pulled off easily. It needs a really inspired story, actor and director. Good luck to Reynolds he'll need it.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

The Punisher is indeed back at Marvel, and Ray Stevenson will likely be retained. Though I doubt Stevenson would show up in a solo movie. Maybe a TV show.

 

I have heard Blade is back at Marvel too, but I'm not sure how correct that is.

Howbout an ultra-violent Punisher/Blade team-up flick???

Sounds good shit throw in Ghost Rider as well.

You're giving me wood, Darkmite.

If I were to spitball, I would say one of the reasons Deadpool is taking so long is because they're trying to shoehorn it into the X-Men movie mythology. I've heard X-MEN ORIGINS: DEADPOOL bandied about as a potential title, and the current script features Colossus and references an association with Xavier. They could be trying to turn Deadpool into a movie that features a bunch of X-Men peripheral characters and leads into a future X-Men movie. But maybe I'm just making shit up. Though I do know that the goal of the Deadpool movie, from the script I read, seems almost entirely devoted to making fun of the Wolverine movie.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

 I've heard X-MEN ORIGINS: DEADPOOL bandied about as a potential title, and the current script features Colossus and references an association with Xavier. They could be trying to turn Deadpool into a movie that features a bunch of X-Men peripheral characters and leads into a future X-Men movie. But maybe I'm just making shit up.

You better be. That sounds terrible. And strangely familiar.

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DD maybe, but allegedly F4 has a different deal and needs to have 3 films produced before the end of 2012.

 

Daredevil: Reborn (the current "working" title) is being written right now and David Slade is overseeing the project from the get-go, so it'll probably be in theaters sometime in 2013.  Apparently it IS a sequel to the Affleck film, but is a standalone tale.........................kind of like what Sony has done with the new Ghost Rider flick.

Anyway, if what you say is true, there is absolutely no way Fox will be able to hold on to the FF4 rights.  There hasn't been any recent movement on the reboot, so there isn't a chance in hell of a third film being released next year.
 

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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 

Can the Punisher pop up in Marvel flicks now? Didn't Lionsgate give those rights up? What about Blade? Haven't seen anything from defunct New Line (or does parent-company WB now have the rights?) since the show ended. I have a feeling Sony will be rebooting Spidey every few years.

Lionsgate gave back the rights to The Punisher and Man-Thing last year and New Line relinquished Blade this year.  Marvel has 'em all back, but from what Feige is saying, don't expect them to do anything with Blade for quite awhile.
 

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

The Punisher is indeed back at Marvel, and Ray Stevenson will likely be retained. Though I doubt Stevenson would show up in a solo movie. Maybe a TV show.

Righto.  Stevenson himself has stated that Marvel is interested in retaining him as the character and Kevin Feige has spoken a few time about the possibility of doing a Punisher cable TV show instead of another movie.
 

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Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker 

Sounds good shit throw in Ghost Rider as well.

Sony still has the character and will for quite awhile since a new flick hits early next year.................which they are hoping will garner a third entry.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

You're giving me wood, Darkmite.

 

If I were to spitball, I would say one of the reasons Deadpool is taking so long is because they're trying to shoehorn it into the X-Men movie mythology. I've heard X-MEN ORIGINS: DEADPOOL bandied about as a potential title, and the current script features Colossus and references an association with Xavier. They could be trying to turn Deadpool into a movie that features a bunch of X-Men peripheral characters and leads into a future X-Men movie. But maybe I'm just making shit up. Though I do know that the goal of the Deadpool movie, from the script I read, seems almost entirely devoted to making fun of the Wolverine movie.

Yes and no.  It does include Colossus and references to other X-Men characters.  While technically set within the X-filmverse, it plays by its own rules.  Hell, I'm pretty sure Deadpool pokes a few jabs at the Wolverine movie he was in..............as well as Ryan Reynolds himself!  The Deadpool script is breaking the fourth wall left and right, so while they could easily toss him into an X-Men or Wolverine sequel if they wanted to..........I think it is more likely that he will remain on his own.  No X-Men Origins title though.  That shit started and ended with the first Wolverine film.  X-Men Origins: Magneto was folded into First Class and I'm guessing the Gambit movie will never happen, though the character could easily show up in a First Class sequel. 

Deadpool is an R-rated action comedy reboot of the character and will definitely be its own thing if it gets made.  It'll be a batshit crazy flick viewed through the eyes of a batshit crazy character.  Hopefully it will get made and will at least be wildly entertaining.

Also, I'm guessing the Amy Winehouse references that are apparently in the script are going to get changed as well.
 

Just for clarification, here are where the non-Marvel owned film rights reside........

SONY - Spider-Man,  Ghost Rider.

FOX - Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Daredevil, Elektra, X-Men......................and most (but not all) of the Marvel mutant characters.  (obviously they also own Galactus, Dr. Doom, Kingpin, Bullseye, The Hand, etc.)

That's it.  Marvel now owns the film rights to all of their other characters.

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Howbout an ultra-violent Punisher/Blade team-up flick???

 

I remember I was watching WarZone with a friend and when the old Italian stereotype starts wheezing about a biological package he turned around a said "Biological? Is it a vampire?"

I think that film was so delirious a vampire wouldn't have seemed massively out of place. 

I've read that Deadpool script. I was afraid it'd turn out to be extremely forced ... but it is really good. Some scenes had me laughing out loudly. It feels like an even more extreme version of KICK-ASS with the attitude of the actually-not-that-bad BULLETSTORM. 

But beat me, I want a new face as Deadpool.

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Anyway, if what you say is true, there is absolutely no way Fox will be able to hold on to the FF4 rights.  There hasn't been any recent movement on the reboot, so there isn't a chance in hell of a third film being released next year.

I do believe Michael Green (Green Lantern) is writing Fantastic Four, with a producer's/godfather's role for none other than Akiva Goldsman. YAY.

Yeah, a writer was assigned...........................but nothing has really come of it since then.  There were casting rumors last year (with Bruce Willis mentioned for Ben Grimm), but literally nothing else has escaped about the project.  If the 2012 deadline is true, then I think they will likely end up losing the rights.  If not, I'm sure we'll be seeing a FF4 reboot sometime in the next two or three years.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker 

Sounds good shit throw in Ghost Rider as well.

Damn, now I just want to see a Midnight Sons movie that for legal reasons can never happen...

Marvel will eventually get Ghost Rider back (especially if the new one doesn't do well, though it does look great), so it could happen some day.  I don't know if they will ever get Spider-Man and X-Men back though.

I want Marvel to reboot Blade in a full-on Tomb of Dracula film though.