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post #1 of 13
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By the midpoint they are so so so close to making a decent culture clash thriller. And then they botch the emotional impact of the rape scene, and it all goes straight to hell.

 

Not sure why Rod Lurie said "Remaking Straw Dogs isn't enough - I have to remake Of Mice And Men as well!" They inserted a big, lumbering Lennie to the climax, played hilariously by Dominic Purcell. A terrible, terrible decision, his retard-mimicry is just absurdly off-key.

 

It's good to see James Woods, and he dominates his scenes as a drunken ex-football coach, although his character has zero reason to be in the narrative. And ladies will like all the Skarsgard flesh, while, yay, Walton Goggins plays a good guy, though, again, absolutely nothing to do. But the third act is a ridiculous amount of implausible contrivances. It's also yet another Hollywood movie that is just, generally, "Man, FUCK the South!"

post #2 of 13

This is a small diversion, because I really couldn't care less about the movie itself, but are you a journalist? Because you seem to get access to a whole bunch of early screenings but don't seem contained or bound by any of the usual rules forced on journos.

post #3 of 13
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Because that would NEVER be a discussion more appropriate for PM's, right?

post #4 of 13

I had the opportunity to go to a screening for this movie over the week.  I skipped on it.  It's how I saw Contagion, Warrior, and Moneyball early. 

post #5 of 13
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I had the opportunity to go to a screening for this movie over the week.  I skipped on it.


Me too, because fuck this movie.

 

It's pretty easy to get access to preview screenings if you live in a major US city, you don't need to be press.

 

 

post #6 of 13
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Me too, because fuck this movie.

 

It's pretty easy to get access to preview screenings if you live in a major US city, you don't need to be press.

 

 


That's the difference between the UK and the US. Aside from Film Festivals we never get early access to stuff.

 

I'm actually kind of fascinated by the remake largely because the machinations confound me. I have no idea why anyone would think Straw Dogs would have a marketable title, at least marketable to people who wouldn't be pissed off by the very concept of a remake.

 

post #7 of 13

That's a good point, although I'm not sure that name recognition is that big a motivation for doing remakes anymore. They've started dipping into stuff that's pretty obscure from a mainstream perspective. I imagine that a majority of people seeing some of these flicks don't even realize they're remakes, and the people who do know are the cult fans of the original who are pissed at the idea of a remake. So the question you're asking applies pretty widely. If the bulk of the audience doesn't know or care, and the fans of the original aren't going to see it, why not make an original film? I don't think it's the old chestnut "creative bankruptcy" or running out of ideas, because there are hundreds of unproduced original screenplays floating around Hollywood that the studios could choose to make if they were so inclined. At this point are they just going through the motions? "this is what we've been doing and it doesn't hurt that they're remakes so we'll just keep doing it."

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I'm actually kind of fascinated by the remake largely because the machinations confound me. I have no idea why anyone would think Straw Dogs would have a marketable title,

 


Well, there's a resurgence of the home invasion and rape/revenge flicks (as a whole, not my cup of tea). This just happened to be written already.

 

post #9 of 13

I actually love a good home invasion flick, but this remake looks a bit shit. I'm amused by the fact it has one of those Paranormal Activity style "terrified audience reactions" trailers. Even without having seen it, I feel okay about updating my list of the Top 3 Least Intimidating Cinematic Home Invaders:

 

1. Stephen Dorff in Cold Creek Manor

2. Marky Mark in Fear

3. Some douche from that HBO vampire show

post #10 of 13
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I actually love a good home invasion flick, but this remake looks a bit shit. I'm amused by the fact it has one of those Paranormal Activity style "terrified audience reactions" trailers. Even without having seen it, I feel okay about updating my list of the Top 3 Least Intimidating Cinematic Home Invaders:

 

1. Stephen Dorff in Cold Creek Manor

2. Marky Mark in Fear

 

3. Some douche from that HBO vampire show

Gotta say, I don't watch True Blood, but I like this Alexander Skarsgard. And there are several shots where they have the square-jawed James Marsden face-to-face with Skarsgard, and the dude TOWERS over him. I imagine this guy is like 6"5 or something? In the movie, he's very good, in that he's a salt-of-the-earth guy who taught himself to wear a "southern gentleman" mask, so he wouldn't be too intimidating superficially. He's got a sweet smile, but the eyes of a goddamned shark. It's really too bad that his characterization is genuinely all over the place.
 

 

post #11 of 13

He's a good actor. See GENERATION KILL

post #12 of 13

Saw this yesterday. It does enough to distance itself from the original in the first half to justify its existence (the Mississippi setting may reek of "fuck the South!", but football and hunting heighten the question of testosterone even more). I liked the switch of David from mathematician to screenwriter, and Bosworth is given more to do as Amy than in the original (she gets revenge, for one).

 

Unfortunately, like it's mentioned above, the impact of the rape is blown. First of all, forty years later, the scene actually feels like it's pulling punches. The juxtaposition between David hunting and the rape is fascinating but the execution is sloppy (cgi deer did not help!). As well, there are greater pains taken to solve the question of whether or not Amy was "into it" (shudder) in the original, as in this version she won't make eye contact with Charlie afterwards (she also doesn't yell Charlie's name at the end to save her). So although Amy is a seemingly more complex character here (her seductive actions towards Charlie & co. come across more as her spiting David than in the original, which had her spiting David AND still hung up on Charlie), the plot itself is robbed of most of the moral ambiguity. When Charlie sits down and lets Amy get raped, it's not at gun point like in the original. In fact, the rest of the movie doesn't support that scene at all: he defends her and protects her on a few occasions, why would he let her get raped (by someone else) if it wasn't against his will?

 

Further murkiness comes from the fact that the (first) rape is filmed like a love scene, at least in the "female gaze" aimed at Skarsgard. Not only does he have an incredible body, but he peels his button up shirt off slowly and sensually. That actually made me more uncomfortable, as the scene began to play like some fucked up rape fantasy for True Blood fans. It even felt like the movie was offering a counterpoint by having the cheerleader daughter be the aggressor towards full retard Jeremy, so when she is accidentally suffocated that yet again plays into the questionable theme of "she was asking for it".

 

Marsden taking on five armed men at the end did have, just like the original, several fist pumping moments. The fact that I'm probably not supposed to be fist pumping lends credit to how powerful this story is even when it's diluted. The filmmakers at work here, however, did not have the grace or gumption to handle this material.

post #13 of 13

You should read Lurie's quotes in the last Empire regarding this. The guy seems determined to make not watching this a point of principle for me. And I have to say, he's 100% successful. Fuck this movie.  

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