Supernatural (Season 7): Now With 100% More Jefferson Starships

I was 90% sure that Season 7 was going to open with Sam and Dean walking away from some warehouse and saying "well, I'm glad that entire Castiel being God thing worked out" and then never referencing it again.

I don't know, Season Six dropped more balls than a juggler who'd just had a stroke.

The main problem with Season Six is that they had three or four seasons worth of plotlines which they dispensed with in such short order that it felt like the team was scrabbling to find something that worked, which is a shame because a lot of stuff worked last season.

Just one thing to say:

FUCKING OLD ONES BABY!!

About goddamn time.

I dug it....wasn't a perfect episode, but I don't think I've ever loved a Supernatural Season Premiere. Helps they actually had a classic rock opening again (I'm easy).

 

I hope introducing the Leviathan(s?) will get them into some quality monster action this year. I think they've exhausted Angels and (as much I like Crowley) Demons, and setting Cas and the war in heaven aside might be good for them. That being said, Wrathful God-Cas was just the right amount of fun...

 

I'm not sure where they're going with Sam's Wall, but they better either get it out of the way quickly, or handle it with a bit more care than the Sammy's Soul storyline last year.

I LOVED the premiere. Old ones! New Cas (again)! Sammy and the Devil! The hallucinations sort of had a Hellraiser vibe.

Yes, already a huge step up from the last season. Although one thing that did kind of irk me. If your bring on the old ones that is great news BUT why make them god's creation? I kind of liked the idea that they were older than god and were from somewhere unknown. They have already established that there are other gods out there who have nothing to do with christian god and were actually here first.

 

Hope they can pull something cool off here. I eman they can't afford to do real creature effects.

I was thinking some more on the episode and I got the feeling as though the last season never really ended. They're already working on two plot threads from last season, but now I'm wondering what else may have been left dangling? I remember the fairies. Anyone remember anything else left from last year? If they do go about addressing all the plots holes from before during this season, then that would actually be pretty cool on their part.

Ok, that was pretty fun. I'm willing to see where this season goes.

I thought it was interesting that they brought up the whole heavenly weapons thing in this episode.  Last season that felt like a plot line that they didn't end up using as much as they thought they would and decided to wrap up early.  If they end up doing something with it, it would be pretty cool.

 

Pretty good season opener.  I doubt Cas (the real Cas) is really gone for good, but it definitely seems like it'll be a long time before we see him again.  I am wondering what they're going to do to fix Sam up enough to continue hunting.

 

 

Took the words right out of my mouth. Even went so far as to use Cthulhu's biblical counterpart. I hope we'll finally get some Lovecraft up in this bitch and not that crap they served last season.

Im an ass so im actually hoping for a return to super powered Sam. Ya know bringing a bit of hell back with him....doesn't even need the demon blood now...........no? Alright.
 

 

I've been a big fan of this show from day one and it really warms my heart to see it last this long and gain such a strong following.

 

With that said, I've always had issues with every season...the issues seem to mount in direct proportion to the amount of time that grows between Eric kripke's last hands on involvement.

 

Not that Sera Gamble and company haven't been involved in great aspects of the show, but its obvious that no one thought this show would last this long and they scrambled all season long (last year) to put something together.

 

I really like what they did with Godcas and having him implode and now be a vessel for leviathans/old ones/whatever you wanna call them.  I imagine since Misha Collins is not going to be around for most of the season that they will be body hopping...which is probably the best for the show's budget.  I do hope they do something to differentiate these guys from demons though.

 

I am probably in the minority here, but I really hope they wrap up this Sam/hallucination angle soon.  The biggest crutch this show has had for the past few years has been "Sam's Problem"...whether it was "why Yellow eyes wants him", "should i or shouldn't I use my super telekinesis", "the demon blood drinking", "the no soul sam", and then "walled off sam". Its always resulted in very similar heart to hearts between the brothers about trust, and being there for each other, etc etc.  We've heard that shit way too much now.  I pray they fix this wall breaking down thing soon.

 

This show's strength like all great genre shows before it has always been the stand-alone episodes.  I really hope they don't try to force feed us this leviathan stuff for the entire season.  I want to see more wendigos and the lot.

 

If not completely stand alone, then at least take us down a more Lovecraftian road, which I know is what everyone is hoping for.  The whole heaven war angle did lead to one of my fave supernatural episodes of all time, the "meeting of the 'other' gods" episode.  So here's hoping we get something like that this season.

Yeah im really with you on these two points. Problem is that their budget isn't what it should be so I do wrry about how different "the old ones" can really be. 

 

And im really with you on the Sam thing. However I think we are both in for bad news. From what I have been reading they are saying it's going to be a season long thing. Now maybe season long will only mean an episode here and there. I don't know it's just that watching Sam hullucinate just isn't that fascinating. However if because he spent so much time getting tortured by Lucifer that there was actually some kind of mental link between hima nd Sam now and Lucifer could actually torture him from the pit....well that would be cool. But even death says that they are hullucinations.

 

I was pretty bowled over by this. It felt more like an extension to last seasons finale than an opener. So great seeing Death again as well as Lucifer.

Really intrigued as to where it goes, but I too can't help be feel we'll be disappointed and I agree that "poor old untrustworthy Sam" is boring me to tears. Jared must be going out of his mind.

 

All this needs is focus. Like, laser guided focus. 

So I'm going to be doing THUD Reviews of Supernatural as it runs, first one here

 

http://www.chud.com/68163/thud-review-supernatural-meet-the-new-boss/

Good opener and I liked that it picked up from where it left off last season.

Nice to see them spend a bit of money on the episode aswell, didn't feel cheap, shame they couldn't be more

creative with the old ones, lets hope they can do sometihng differerent to the whole human body vessel thing.

Yeah I hope that they nip Sam's storyline in the bud asap, just the same old record.

Fun opener. The speed at which they got rid of God-Cas made it feel like they regretted that entire turn of events, but I'm good with the Leviathan switch. It's about time we focus on something that isn't angel/demon related for more than lone MOW episodes. 

 

Also, just for my sake, I really hope they tie up the loose plot concerning their brother. He's down in the cage with the Lucifer, yet there's barely been any mention of him. 

Nice. My sentiments about this episode exactly. Though I choose to remain an optimist and hope for some proper Cthulhu Mythos finally.

 

Anyway, I have to admit that I'm a little biased towards this episode. First because of that Old Ones bit and because my favorite character ended up murdering Fred Phelps and Michelle Bachmann.

 

 

I still think with the quality of writers and directors on this show (Ben Edlund especially) they could come up with some really cool budget saving bottle episodes and then bring that extra cash for a couple of bigger than usual episodes. Even their finales get smaller and smaller, one of them essentially being "two guys talk in a field".

 

Granted, I have no fucking clue how budgeting works or how much money could feasibly be saved by a bottle episode (or whether that saving would be enough for added cool stuff later), but it's a nice pipe dream.

Sadly the show has an incredibly low budget. I'm hoping it may have been increased for this year but as I understand it the CW have been cutting it year by year. Luckily they have a pretty great effects house working for them, so they get away with all kinds of neat looking shit. 

 

Eric Kripke gave an interview and said that the Season 3 opener (That's the one with the deadly sins right?) used up a third of their effects budget for the entire season, and it was only a handful of CGI shots. 

 

I didn't find Season 6 the mess that you guys did. Though I am having flashbacks to Mother (Which I entirely forgot existed). I like to think they nixed that plot because the actress was terrible and they just didn't realise it until it was too late. I think when I rewatch the show from the start I'll probably end up skipping more of Season 6 than Season 1

 

Really looking forward to Spike's writeups after each episode, I enjoyed that read.

 

I thought the season premier was very good, finally got around to watching it last night.

Hey gang, it's Supernatural Friday! Tonight's episode written by the genius that is Ben Edlund.

Ok, is it me, or was that episode fucking great? It wasn't a typical "out there" Edlund Supernatural episode, but it was just really, really well done, just super tight and suspenseful.

 

I like the establishment of a pecking order of the Leviathan, and I like that they seem to be relatively sophisticated.

 

and I like that the personal stuff with Sam and Dean are being dealt with in a relatively straightforward manner (though there was awesomely stupid face from Sam when he was dealing with Lucifer and Dean in the warehouse). I still hope they wrap up Sam/Lucifer before Christmas, but if they keep this up, I won't mind too much.

 

Also, thumbs up to Pelligrino as Lucifer, he's been killing it...

Excellent again. Really going for a serialised approach so far, which pleases me. Pellegrino is doing some fine work.

Yeah, I really like that they're attempting (at least a string of) serialized episodes. This one began right after the premier ended and ended at a natural place but with everything way unresolved. For a show known for MOTW pacing, this is a welcome change.

Very good episode, but it was written by Edlund so that was expected. I was thinking they'd go for a "Leviathan of the week" thing when Cas dissolved in the reservoir but I'm glad they're keeping centralized.

Not bad but im already tired of Sam and Lucifer. See if it was revealed that because of the insane torture and time spent together, Sam and Lucifer had some kind of Psychic bond that exists even out of the cage and that Lucifer will use it to fuck with him because that is all he can do that would be cool. However death and then tonight's episode pretty much confirm that it's all a hullucination. there really aren't any stakes because even if Sam shoots himself he will go heaven or somehow get resurrected. However if it were really satan fucking with him from the pit perhaps he wants to kill him so he ends up back in hell again. But since it isn't we just have a cheap demonic version of a beautiful mind and I don't really care. Can't believe I have to deal with this all season.

Loved how the one Leviathan got the idea to use the hospital from an episode of "Dr. Sexy, M.D."

I have to add that Dean's message to Bobby's phone was shocking in how desperate it was. A very emotional scene helped both by Edlund's writing and Ackles' acting.

THUD Review

http://www.chud.com/68866/thud-review-supernatual-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%98hello-cruel-world%e2%80%99/

Great stuff Spike.

 

I very much doubt Bobby is gone. Not seeing a body or getting any sort of "final speech" is a sign. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one to come back and help Sammy and Dean escape the clutches of Dr Sexy M.D. and gang.

Or it could be Cas. I didn't see a body.

They're both coming back at some point, but I'm assuming they'll let us believe Cas is really gone for a while longer.

Yeah, no way either of them are gone for good. I'm guessing that "boss" the leviathans keep referring to might still be chilling in Cas' body. I can't believe they torched Bobby's house, though. It's the closest thing to a home base they had. No more panic room, either.

Really like how they're handling the leviathans. It's pretty much a given with this show's budget that any "monsters" are going to be human-shaped, but having them travel through the water and set up shop at the hospital makes the threat a bit more substantial and immediate. And that "Black Water" music cue was brilliant.

Loving the reviews, Spike.

The Doobie Brothers' song use was as close to perfect as possible.

 

Considering real world implications, Misha Collins' commitment has been fulfilled SO FAR for the season, if my understanding is correct.  But he can come back...I get the feeling they are making a concerted effort to move away from Heaven mythology though.

 

I like the leviathan setup, I like what they are doing with it...but if they are going to serialize these episodes (which is a welcome wrinkle) I hope they have a good plan versus the old standby "we want to rule the world".  Frankly, I'd like it if the Leviathans had no plan, they just wanna eat and have fun after being kooked up for so long in purgatory.

 

We still need to find out their weakness.

 

Finally, while pellegrino was EXCELLENT this episode.  They have already worn out their welcome with sam going nuts, cant be trusted, whats wrong with sam, sam are you ok, etc etc fucking ETC.  And just when I thought they fixed it, he gets knocked in the head and lucifer is back!  Ugh.  Drop that shit already guys.

I can't see them moving entirely away from any of the heaven/hell stuff since Crowley's still out there and the Old Ones are god-created. i would love to see how the Leviathans deal with heaven/hell. I got the impression that they may be stronger than both and have allegiances to neither.

Something that struck me as curious was when Castiel asked Death what he was exactly. It was a throwaway question but I wouldn't be surprised if they come back to that at some point. I'm glad the writers are seemingly trying to expand the brothers world. I think between the Old Ones, Death and last seasons' Faerie, I would think there's enough there to cover a season or two.

Yeah I am curious about Death. I feel like Death is one of those things that they didn't properly think out. He has the 3 brothers(Where are they?) and when the had to defeat them they used the knife that kills demons to chop off their finger. So even though they are eternal they have to be at least part demon or something. Yet Death seems to be the most powerful and he may be older than god. So....is he part demon too? How is he "related" to his brothers? Because how can he be part demon if he existed before the first demon did? Also it would be kind of nice if they addressed where death was before Lucifer brought him back. He seemed to be buried in the ground. They position death as this force of nature that must exist but if he was trapped then who was giving the reapers orders? Can they exist by themselves and work that way? How did death get trapped? Who would do that? And why? It's not like it stopped people from meeting their end. Ohhh Supernatural.....

I don't get where the confusion lies... He's not a demon and the other 3 were only his brothers insofar as they're all forces of nature. Also, being bound by Satan didn't mean he stopped doing his duty, it just meant that he had to answer when called.

That Butch and Sundance quality lends itself to a “stripped down” feel to the season. “It’s the acoustic season,” Ackles jokes. But in all seriousness, it’s back to basics with the boys just “relying on each other, our wits and our street smarts just to make it through,” he continues. “It’s reminiscent of the first season, which was the season that I know we fell in love with the show.”

No I mean't before that. Supposedly he was buried in the ground and Lucifer was digging him up indicating that he had been doormat for some reason. You could argue that was just part of the ritual of calling him but when Sam and Dean bound him they didn't have to do any of that stuff including sacrificing a bunch of demons. Clearly the 2 rituals were different and death was being brought to earth for the first time in a long time. Just curious if he was somewhere else, in a prison and if so that means that he doesn't do that much running of deathly things.

It's nice seeing that the show is determined to continue with last year's plot of Dean being a bossy, self righteous cunt. God-Cas should have done everyone a favor and kill him.

    Good episode last night. I liked it because the story was in a moral gray area. Also, as a Firefly fan it was good to see Jewel in something better than Stargate Atlantis.

Good episode. Liked the little things that were subtle (the movie trailer on TV and the t-shirt of the cashier) and of course, the  human name of the monster of the week.

Man, this whole episode was a mess, from top to bottom. Poor writing, some really bad acting, and bad directing (unlike Weekend at Bobby's, this ep suffered from a lot of "Look, I'm a Director" camera flourishes that were unnecessary, and the transitions from past to present were REALLY clunky).

To be fair, Dean's been like this since the pilot. What's changed is the complete absence of hope. Which makes me wonder - why the hell would Dean keep the kid alive? His whole position is people don't change, and monsters need to be put down (if they can't help him). What does he think that kid is going to do, sit in the corner and starve?

 

If anything, killing the kid would have made for an interesting moment, and something to build on going forward. But the CW and Showrunners (and, lets be honest, fear of internet backlash) probably wouldn't allow it, so instead, we have a half-baked Kill Bill rehash (which will likely go nowhere).

 

And, the script didn't really present any reason why Sam should have let her go. Yes, she saved his life in the past, but she's killing innocent people NOW. And she was clearly about to go on the run, leaving her cushy ME job, so she would have started killing eventually anyway.

 

And resolving the cliffhanger from last episode in 30 seconds at the beginning of the episode? Pretty weak. That being said, I love the organization and order of the Leviathan. If they actually follow through on this, they could make for a really interesting foe down the line.

Yeah Dean let that one vampire go in the past, looks like those days are over.