Supernatural (Season 7): Now With 100% More Jefferson Starships - Page 2

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Originally Posted by stelios 

It's nice seeing that the show is determined to continue with last year's plot of Dean being a bossy, self righteous cunt. God-Cas should have done everyone a favor and kill him.

To be fair, this marks the third occasion that Dean has asked Sam to pick up some pie and hasn't received it.  I'd be looking to cut a bitch, too.

Seriously, though, hey look, Supernatural killed another woman.  Shock.  It did seem a lot colder than usual for Dean, though.  I'm guessing Dean's a bit more messed up from Cas' "death" than he's letting on, and this is the result.  I don't really blame him, though.  She can claim she's never going to kill again, but there's no way she could know that for sure.  And it was pretty damn irresponsible of her to have a kid in the first place.  If there's even a chance you're going to pass on the brain-eating gene, maybe take a look at adoption instead.
 

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Originally Posted by JohnnyZ 
Liked the little things that were subtle (the movie trailer on TV and the t-shirt of the cashier) and of course, the  human name of the monster of the week.

Not gonna lie, the Doctor Who reference made me giddy.  And was it just me or did that last scene remind anyone else of the Game of Thrones' crowning of Viserys?  Maybe I've just seen too many of those Velveeta "liquid gold" commercials.

 It was implied that she was killing bad people. One was a drug dealer, and the dude Sam stop her from killing was drunk and trying to get into his car. Amy might have rationalized that killing him was keeping others safe.

 I also liked Amy Pond and using Lemmy Kilmiester as the name on the credit card.

Well its been a while, but it was inevitable...this was a terrible episode.

I didn't like any part of it.  The hospital resolution was so quick and easy that last week's cliffhanger was completely pointless.

I didn't like anything about Sam And Amy's thing.  The stuff with Sam as a child was actually interesting, but the episode just kept shooting itself in the foot.

I was hoping to God Dean wouldn't kill Amy because then the obvious question is "will he kill the kid" and we all know he wouldn't, which makes all of his reasoning for killing Amy complete bullshit.  

I hoped to see Dean scare Amy verbally and say that he was gonna trust Sam's judgement, but no they went with the easy and frankly lazy solution.

I LOVE this show but I am having serious doubts about the creative staff behind this season

I actually dug the episode. But not killing the kid is something you can't rationalize. My first thought was well he never killed anyone so he can't justify the kid. However clearly the kid is too young to control himself and without his mother's help and job of course he is going to kill people. In fact it might be easier as a little boy to lure people in. Not to mention the kid probably is going to come after him t some point(not on the show though). No by killing her that kid has 0 shot.

Also her killing bad people. Wouldn't be horrible BUT she was picking drug dealer and car thieves. Neither one are awesome but they aren't killing anyone. Hell anyone dealing with the dealer is there by their own fault. Why not target killers?

  Maybe she looking for the first 'bad" person she saw. She needed the brains ASAP, maybe she didn't have time to do research.

I doubt if Dean has really killed the kid. I believe some leviathan has taken the form of Dean to kill the girl. And Episode was kinda boring. Flash backs are quiet dull without dean. I hate slash-fiction by the way. Hope that next episode is gonna make me cry. Season 6 has failed to do it. Hope that next episode Dean is again gonna express his pain which I really love. And Sam as lawyer. Show is back on track and back to the basics. And please dont bring Cas back. Let him rot in that pond. He is a bloody angel suffering from constipation.

What the hell? No one here are worrying about the ratings. They are drastically falling down. They has hit series low this season despite of good episodes than season 6. Worrying if there is going to be a season 8 or have watch the guys disappearing into a descending sun on an American road in the impala. And Sam and Dean are not brothers anymore. Hope at least there is more season after this.

Its just 0.8,0.7,0.8 for the first three episodes. Hope that they hit11 in at least 10 episodes of next 20 episodes. So that we will be in a safe Zone. Guys please someone tell me about this ratings.

What the hell? No one here are worrying about the ratings. They are drastically falling down. They has hit series low this season despite of good episodes than season 6. Worrying if there is going to be a season 8 or have watch the guys disappearing into a descending sun on an American road in the impala. And Sam and Dean are not brothers anymore. Hope at least there is more season after this.

Its just 0.8,0.7,0.7 for the first three episodes. Hope that they hit 1 in at least 10 episodes of next 20 episodes. So that we will be in a safe Zone. Guys please someone tell me about this ratings.

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Originally Posted by lovespn 

I doubt if Dean has really killed the kid. I believe some leviathan has taken the form of Dean to kill the girl. And Episode was kinda boring. Flash backs are quiet dull without dean. I hate slash-fiction by the way. Hope that next episode is gonna make me cry. Season 6 has failed to do it. Hope that next episode Dean is again gonna express his pain which I really love. And Sam as lawyer. Show is back on track and back to the basics. And please dont bring Cas back. Let him rot in that pond. He is a bloody angel suffering from constipation.

So english not your first language hmmm????

Do people here assume Ben Edlund only contributes when he actually gets a writing credit?  Sure, "his" episodes are good, but it isn't like he isn't in the room making suggestions and offering ideas to follow-up the episode he wrote.
 

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Originally Posted by lovespn 

 

What the hell? No one here are worrying about the ratings. They are drastically falling down. They has hit series low this season despite of good episodes than season 6. Worrying if there is going to be a season 8 or have watch the guys disappearing into a descending sun on an American road in the impala. And Sam and Dean are not brothers anymore. Hope at least there is more season after this.

Its just 0.8,0.7,0.7 for the first three episodes. Hope that they hit 1 in at least 10 episodes of next 20 episodes. So that we will be in a safe Zone. Guys please someone tell me about this ratings.

Perhaps you should read up some more.  I wouldn't worry about ratings much.  They are actually pretty steady, and have been since the middle of last season.  In fact, I am surprised it has held as well as it has.  There are several things to consider: 1) it's on a third-rate network 2) it's on a Friday night 3) it's in its SEVENTH season 4) it has shown some serious fatigue 5) it's in syndication  If it keeps .7/.8, you can expect an 8th season.  (Preferably its last, although I wouldn't mind if this were the last)  Oh, and this show will likely never, ever hit a 1 again.

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Long story short, I actually liked it overall, hope that this is how the season is going to play out for a while, but was amazingly frustrated at the characterisation.

You're right dude. English is not my first language. Sorry for that, I can't speak or write that well. I have to struggle a lot to always get the words right and avoid grammatical mistakes. So please tell me where did I make the make the mistakes in my post and let me rectify them. By the way, do you think leviathan story arc is gonna be fine? Or they are going to 'remix' demonology and lore making this season's arc dumb. Sera, please give some better jobs to Sam and Dean.

Thank you I am a bit relieved now. Do you really think that his back-to-basics stuff is going to work? I personally feel they should actually change the way it has started. Perhaps introduce UFOs in the next season, which has never happened earlier in SPN. Some crazy tech-stuff to fight them off. But I know, money doesn't grow on trees for The CW. But I want that to happen.

I'm guessing by the lack of comments that everybody was as bored with this last episode as I was.  Less talking about feelings and more shooting monsters in the face, please.

Pretty meh episode.  It seemed so easy to incorporate these moster of the week type episodes in seasons prior.

I really loved the concept and the use of Egyptian mythology, but outside of the laughable Jackal statues...in a fucking barn it could have been any [insert mythological god of justice/vengeance].

But of course, lets talk about why dean is guilty about killing Amy...seriously?  Should that be a fucking issue at all?  They kill monsters like that all the time but the fact that he lied to Sam about it is gonna eat him up?  Fuck that.

Thankfully the stuff with Jo was really good.  Glad to see her back in an episode.  Reminded me of how good this show has been.

God I hate how I negative I have been on this show...stop making me feel this way SUPERNATURAL!

For a while I though that this would be a good way to resolve all the bullshit between Dean and Sam, Amy included. I thought to myself "Hey, that's a smart way for everyone's dirty laundry to be aired."

But no.

Orris was good. The actor looked like he was having fun in the role without going too broad.

So they didn't want to pay Jewel Staite for another ep huh? Budget on this show man.....wow. Also can we please establish what makes a god a god? There is the Christian god which is the most powerful apparently. Then there are other gods who seem to have a ton of power. Then there are gods who don't seem much more powerful than a carjacker. Did anyone else laugh when THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OSIRUS dresses up in hoodies, sneaks up behind a person and tackles people from behind and then manually drags them back to a barn and ties them down with chains? When Sam burst in I don't see why he didn't attack him. Sure he wasn't sure how to kill him but maybe hurt him long enough to get away. After all if no judging takes place then no punishment. I just like that the guy apparently has the power to summon ghosts and magic cars but he is still manually headed out to bars like a date rapist. One would think he could just snap his fingers and poof.

I will say though that I liked the character. He wasn't really evil he was simply allowing people to judge themselves. Which is interesting because theoretically you could bring Charles Manson in and he would walk unharmed because im sure he doesn't have any guilt over what he did.

Shame this really could have been an all star of former foes stepping up to the stand making them realize the negative effects both of them have on people's lives. 

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What pissed me off about this was that Supernatural actually tackled this theme WAY better back in Season 4. Felt like a horrible rehash to me.

"I saw it on The Good Wife," was a good line. Still it was an average episode. At least next week's looks like more fun.

Great review again Spike, thanks.

Not sure why I'm saying thanks. Just want to validate your efforts.

I'm just glad some people are getting something out of these. I probably came across as way more pissy in that review than I should have, it's just the basic execution of Dean's guilt irritated the crap out of me.

If anything you weren't pissy enough. That was a pretty big mishandling of an actually very good set-up.

Yeah, this episode had a really cool, classic setup but focussing it all on the Dean-Jo thing was a misstep.

This was the prime example of the show's budget problems. A full on courtroom drama with The History of Winchester Death would've been something to behold.

Charisma Carpenter and James Marsters on the show tonight, Whedon's influence continues to spread.

Every episode is better with a serving tray decapitation.

So uhh.......between the 2 of them they killed like 4 people and they let them escape? I know it was supposed to be one of their lighter fun episodes but it's odd they are so comfortable just letting them go. They even want us to like Marsters because he saves Dean and Sam. They better have them back.

 It doesn't make sense that Dean would kill Amy, but have no problem letting the two witches go. It was a good episode; I just thought it would be better.

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Originally Posted by Chaz 

 It doesn't make sense that Dean would kill Amy, but have no problem letting the two witches go. It was a good episode; I just thought it would be better.

This actually pissed me off quite a bit. It's like this show's characters have no continuity from one episode to the next. One time Dean kills someone who killed a couple of scumbags to save her kid's life despite Sam's pleas. Two episodes after that they let a couple of witches that killed multiple good people for no reason at all, leave without so much as flinching, without acknowledging it in any way. This is shitty, uncoordinated, aimless writing. This is just horrible writing. And in this respect the show cannot pull the 'low budget' get out of jail free card. This show had a huge grace period from me because of seasons 2 to 5. It now has one episode left.

They barely tried to even kill the witches, it was a little strange. Chicken feet failed so they just gave up? I agree that was incredibly lazy. 

 It would be cool if Don showed up at the finale to fight the Levitations.

This was a complete mixed bag.  I long for the early days where they didn't feel the need to force feed an overarching story down our throats.

Do we HAVE to have a big bad this season?

Do we HAVE to discuss feelings, guilt, openness EVERY EPISODE?  Even Dean is tired of talking about it.  Just fucking drop the Amy thing.  It is completely farcical they open the episode exploring Dean's guilt only to let the murderous witches go completely scott free.

The good stuff were the awesome special fx and kills throughout the episode and the Marsters/Carpenter banter.  That aspect of it really felt like the earlier episodes that made me love this show.

This show is completely going off the rails though.  There is no consistency in any aspect of the writing.  They have slowly made me hate the dynamic between both brothers with each season.

As much as I hate to say it, if this is the quality we have to look forward to I feel like they should have ended the show properly last year with them finally meeting God only to piss him off somehow and drive off in the Impala with "Shout at the Devil" playing on the radio.

If the show ended at season 5, it would be legendary.   Now?   Not so much.

Dean Winchester loves him some Air Supply, classic!

Enjoyed seeing Col. Tigh in action.

I enjoyed the episode, but this season would be better if Dean didn't kill Amy. First the Winchester's not trusting each other and going their separate ways has been done before. Since the promo for next week's show has them back together, its pointless.

Yeah, I'm enjoying a lot of these episodes individually, but the entire Amy storyline is one of the stupidest things they've done.  Just tired, repetitive and pointless.  I really hope they just drop the whole thing after the next episode.

Loved the Pulp Fiction references in this one.  Sad we won't be seeing Colonel Tigh again, but, hey, this marks the fourth(?) appearance of the female sheriff and she's still alive!  That's a surprise.  I do wonder what Crowley's gonna get up to now that he knows the Leviathans aren't interested in being friends. 

The Winchesters and Crowley will team up, with great reservation, to fight the levitations. It may be predictable, but I like Crowley, so I'm cool with it.

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Yeah, I'm enjoying a lot of these episodes individually, but the entire Amy storyline is one of the stupidest things they've done.  Just tired, repetitive and pointless.  I really hope they just drop the whole thing after the next episode.

I really wish they had the balls to split them up for a long period of time. See the 2 of them hunting things seperately. Howeer much like season 2 they will quickly bring them back together.

Really dug this episode, felt pretty old-school. Evil Sam and Dean were great.

good episode...except for all the leviathan bullshit.

Borax...really?

I agree it felt old school and enjoyed a lot of it...but seriously with the AMY THING AGAIN???

Also, terrible ending.  Really sam walking away?  And a nation wide manhunt gets wrapped up and no one is gonna say "hey you look exactly like those guys who got killed!"

God damnit guys, you need to pick this shit up.

This episode got them another couple from me. No matter how you feel the Amy thing was handled, at least it's out of the way. I really could not take the angst heaped upon us any more.

In my mind this is what has been throwing me off since Kripke gave up the reigns. This show used to be AC/DC. It now is My Chemical Romance. Sure they both could vaguely be assumed to belong in the same musical genre, but there's a Grand Canyon size chasm between their philosophies. The Winchesters went from people that faced increasingly insurmountable odds with a certain kamikaze disregard for anyone's safety and the resulting consequences to passive little emo crybabies that can still kind of kick ass. 

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This episode got them another couple from me. No matter how you feel the Amy thing was handled, at least it's out of the way. I really could not take the angst heaped upon us any more.

 

In my mind this is what has been throwing me off since Kripke gave up the reigns. This show used to be AC/DC. It now is My Chemical Romance. Sure they both could vaguely be assumed to belong in the same musical genre, but there's a Grand Canyon size chasm between their philosophies. The Winchesters went from people that faced increasingly insurmountable odds with a certain kamikaze disregard for anyone's safety and the resulting consequences to passive little emo crybabies that can still kind of kick ass. 

 

 

I hate to break it to you, but it's probably just going to get worse. The female fan base has been widely discussed before and what their contributions have brought to the show, or better put, have taken away from the show. Kripke was notorious for his complete contempt for this part of the show's demographic. Even though his hand was obviously forced on many situations, I believe he tried his best to limit that influence. He had a vision for Supernatural and the crazy emo bitches were a means to an end (ratings)

Unfortunately it seems that Gamble is just going to cater the show for their needs, and she will be taking it in a different direction thematically.
 

Woah, woah woah. Resident vagina apologist, so I feel I need to say something:

Not every chick who watched this show was into Dean and Sam making out, crying, and having angst oozing out of every pore. If Kripke was so set on his vision of Supernatural, then we would have no Season 6 or Season 7. I stopped watching at the end of 5 because there was really no point to go on. You'll find some of these same criticisms over at messageboards with a heavier female population. 

And you know what? Even if Gamble is just catering the show for their needs, apparently, two seasons after it was supposed to be ending, it still justifies its existence ratings wise for those that decide to renew it. 

So go crazy emo bitch yourself and STOP WATCHING. Then you won't have to worry about being subjected to the rape of your genre show by female fans. (Who apparently liked Seasons 1-5, seeing as they became fans then, and not now when it's 'My Chemical Romance.')

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Originally Posted by stelios 

 

In my mind this is what has been throwing me off since Kripke gave up the reigns. This show used to be AC/DC. It now is My Chemical Romance. Sure they both could vaguely be assumed to belong in the same musical genre, but there's a Grand Canyon size chasm between their philosophies. The Winchesters went from people that faced increasingly insurmountable odds with a certain kamikaze disregard for anyone's safety and the resulting consequences to passive little emo crybabies that can still kind of kick ass. 

 

 

That is a really brilliant comment stelios.  It makes complete sense.

Good point BoatMan about the rabid female fan base.  I know they've made fun of it in their more meta episodes, but you are definitely right that the angsty influences have become more and more up front.  When Kripke was in charge he ran this show with little fat...now I feel like the show keeps asking its viewers "does this episode make me look fat??".  

I've read about the rabid female fan bases strong feelings about how the show should have progressed in the Kripke era...I never considered the idea that they are now consciously trying to cater to them until reading your comment though BoatMan.  It makes a lot of sense.  For whatever reason, males don't watch a lot of serialized drama that isn't Sci-Fi at least according to the nielsen's.  I would bet the CW's viewing demos are heavily skewed towards women just looking at what they put on their primetime schedule...SUPERNATURAL always felt like the odd man out.

Sigh...hopefully there is enough Borax in the midwest to behead these leviathan fuckers quick and just get to the stand alone episodes.

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 He had a vision for Supernatural and the crazy emo bitches were a means to an end (ratings)

 

 

And this is a perfect example of how an unfortunate choice of words clouds the meaning of an otherwise solid statement. 

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And this is a perfect example of how an unfortunate choice of words clouds the meaning of an otherwise solid statement. 

 

 

 You are correct, I regretted it the second I posted.

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Woah, woah woah. Resident vagina apologist, so I feel I need to say something:

 

Not every chick who watched this show was into Dean and Sam making out, crying, and having angst oozing out of every pore. If Kripke was so set on his vision of Supernatural, then we would have no Season 6 or Season 7. I stopped watching at the end of 5 because there was really no point to go on. You'll find some of these same criticisms over at messageboards with a heavier female population. 

 

And you know what? Even if Gamble is just catering the show for their needs, apparently, two seasons after it was supposed to be ending, it still justifies its existence ratings wise for those that decide to renew it. 

 

So go crazy emo bitch yourself and STOP WATCHING. Then you won't have to worry about being subjected to the rape of your genre show by female fans. (Who apparently liked Seasons 1-5, seeing as they became fans then, and not now when it's 'My Chemical Romance.')

My apologies for dropping the "bitches" comment, I was not applying the label to all females.

I was however applying it to all "fans" that are the crazy emotional types that insist that these two supposedly bad-ass characters do nothing but cry and groan over their feelings every episode and hug everything out. Also that any female character that dares even look in their direction get viciously murdered not too long after. 

Wouldn't the fact the Kripke stopped after 5 (which is what the show was planned for) and handed it over to someone else show that he had a set vision for the series? And when it was done, he was done. You tell me what that means.

Just curious, I've been to a couple of these supposedly level headed and non crazy message boards that you allude to. Do you tell every complainer and slash fiction writer out there that have been complaining since day one to just stop watching?
 

i stand by my misogynystic hoo-rah'ing comment.