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post #351 of 400

I'm not going to lie, if HBO decided to make a spin-off featuring Harrow, Esther, Manny, and Rothstein* hurtling out of control through time, and only able to get back home by fixing "what's gone wrong?" I'd not only probably watch it, but I'd probably love it more than extended family members.

 

 

I mean, don't we all want to see Arnold Rothstein teach a poor stableboy how to properly woo a delicate noblewoman by feeding him classic poetry? Because I know I do.

 

 

*Doyle can be the team pet.

post #352 of 400

Damn, Lauren. These are some really particular tastes that you've got.

post #353 of 400

I blame my sheltered upbringing.

 

But don't deny the beauty of this idea!

post #354 of 400

My remark was not meant to be taken negatively, ma'am. It's just that I immediately got the image in my head of Doyle in a gimp suit giggling and getting dragged around by a chain by Esther dressed in an Army uniform.

 

I blame the internet.

post #355 of 400

God! And I just thought Doyle would be like the mascot or something! Acting  cowardly, always trying to find something to eat, probably the one who has to figure out the moral lesson of the day.

 

You on the other hand lept right for the bondage suit! Proving once and for all how truly perverse you Europeans all are!

post #356 of 400

Hey, give a guy a break! I'm on the internet since 1992, my mind is warped.

post #357 of 400
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As for Jack Huston, evidently he's going to be in David Chase's new series, Twylight Zones. 


Wait, what? David Chase is making a series called "Twylight Zones"? 

 

post #358 of 400
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Wait, what? David Chase is making a series called "Twylight Zones"? 

 



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1230215/

post #359 of 400

I believe that's a David Chase directed film, not a tv series.

post #360 of 400

I didn't realize it was a film.  That's awesome!!

post #361 of 400

That synopsis doesn't sound nearly as promising as I had hoped.

post #362 of 400

I hope it's not as utterly nihilistic as the Sopranos. Despite the resounding success of that series, I'm ready for Chase to flex some different muscles. 

post #363 of 400

I wonder if some of the new jerk reaction to the season finale is related to how they're handling the historical aspects of the show?

I mean, with what Art Decade and others have said about how we know Nucky is going to end up on top up intul a certain point because he's the protagonist. 

 

While there were historical characters and incidents in Rome, the historical characters were most the B-plots. Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo were at some point real people; however, in the scope of the show they were fair game for whatever shenanigans happened in on the B-Plot/Historical incidents. 

 

In Deadwood, well, it feels much more like an ensemble cast than anyone clear lead. Granted, Bullock would ostensibly be the lead - but look at the credits: Not a face to be found there. While he was an accessory to the main plot in the first season, it didn't quite revolve around him as strongly as it did the location or the subject. Even then, it was equally parts of Al, Hickok, Alma, etc. 

 

Boardwalk Empire is entirely Nucky's show. His face is the first thing we've seen when the series starts, and for every episode onward. I'd argue Jimmy has worked so well with audiences not only because he's the second 'main character', but because he's the gateway character for us into this world. He's started out fresh from the war and has risen and fallen. We've journeyed with him. It's actually something I wish more folks would do in media - rather than bland entry characters who are essentially audience ciphers - these characters who have established motives and histories, but by experiencing a journey with them, we identify with them easier. (Again, something I wonder about Game of Thrones not clicking with me. As someone who hasn't read the books, it's hard to get a handle of where things are because there's no one character to experience that with. The closest thing with me, was with the oldest Stark boy. You could argue the same in medias res for Deadwood, but the very nature of the location invites all manner of newcomers, audience included.)

 

I'll admit I haven't seen the Sopranos so I'm not sure how that all works out - I'm not into modern dramas with the exception being The Wire. But it sounds like Tony manages a certain relationship with the audience - something I feel hasn't really happened with the closed-off Nucky. 

 

On a tangent: Is there a chart for HBO shows with: Gangsters/Thugs, Lesbians, Incest, etc? It feels like there's a lot of re-occuring themes there...Granted, that's probably because it's handling the darker subject matter, but it feels a bit repetitive.

 

post #364 of 400

 

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On a tangent: Is there a chart for HBO shows with: Gangsters/Thugs, Lesbians, Incest, etc? It feels like there's a lot of re-occuring themes there...Granted, that's probably because it's handling the darker subject matter, but it feels a bit repetitive.

 

 

 

 

One day I'd love for HBO to just go ahead and create a television show about a lesbian gangster who engages in incest. Because it's quite clear they want to do that so badly.

post #365 of 400

HBO Presents The Unspeakable Acts Of Gal Capone

 

Make it happen, Jesus.

post #366 of 400

I will fund it. I will overcome my poorness and get rich simply so I can fund it.

post #367 of 400

Who do we cast though? I think we need Eva Green. With Monica Bellucci as a Cossimo type. They're both Italian!

post #368 of 400

Yep, they'd do nicely. The leather budget on this show would be astounding. Crime, Corsets, & Crumpet!" could be the tagline.

 

One of them should also have an eyepatch.

post #369 of 400

I was going more for "Broads, Bullets, Booze and Boobs!" myself. Who should be the incest-angle? OMG. We could have a crossover with Boardwalk Empire where Gillian turns out to be Eva Green's long lost sister? Yes/No? 

post #370 of 400

So much rep...MY MIND!!!

 

One of them has to be the mistress of the longbow though, I'm fucking insistant on that. 'Cause it would like, add to the themes and shit.

 

 

post #371 of 400

It would be positively Freudian! The penetration of the phallic arrow into the busoms of her enemies! Though I'm thinking the mistress of the longbow should be an antagonist. Perhaps a long standing rival who works in the FBI, with whom our protagonist clashes with on a regular basis....with sexy results!

post #372 of 400

Sisters Of The Sling, indeed.

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awesome

post #375 of 400

I watched the finale again and I will be back for sure next season. I was one of those shocked/disappointed people right after I saw it the first time but the more I thought about it the more I give them credit for going in such a ballsy direction. I hope the ratings don't drop though. I think there will be a lot of people who won't watch.

post #376 of 400

It strikes me as so weird that anyone would be upset that Jimmy died at all. It wouldn't even occur to me to miss him.

post #377 of 400

I think the main issue is that without him, the show feels rather adrift going into S3.  Nucky just hasn't been a commanding enough lead for it not to feel like there's gaping hole in the fabric of the show.  Unlike, say, The Sopranos, where Tony was a strong enough presence that you could shuffle any supporting cast around him and be reasonably confident it would work.

post #378 of 400

That's pretty much it. I'm a big Buscemi fan, but Nucky never really commanded the show the way a lead should, whereas Pitt and his arc were absolutely magnetic. Even Harrow, who's a great character in his own right, benefitted from it because he and Jimmy had such a touching relationship. I can't imagine him being as affecting working under Nucky or Capone or anyone.

 

The one thing that might help things is giving Van Alden more to do. Michael Shannon's knocking it out of the park but Jesus Christ what a waste of a character. I'm not even sure what the point of having him around this season was.

post #379 of 400

I think the new irish driver will take over the Jimmy role. They've already established a connection between him and Harrow and have given him the seeds of a proper backstory. I'd like to see them get into Capone more, I think that's how you save Season 3, develop a storyline in Chicago.

post #380 of 400

I think that's my favorite thing about the decision to kill him off though. Boardwalk Empire is now going to have a hell of a third season. It will have to step up big or fall hard, and I could see them doing either, honestly. In a way, the show is almost forcing itself to be great or die trying. The only show I'm more curious to see come back is Breaking Bad.

post #381 of 400

I hope Owen gets a much larger role next season. Maybe things go really bad with Margaret and Nucky and Owen actually has to protect her. Owen and Harrow teaming up and fucking shit up together would be awesome.

post #382 of 400

I think they should have killed off Nucky instead. 

 

Nah, I love the decision they went with. But I think it would have been just as if not better to see Jimmy seize the mantle of main character. He sure earned it. Nucky just isn't a very compelling character. 

post #383 of 400

I think what sucks the most is that it was Michael Pitt himself who fucked up and had to be written off. The scene was great and it allows them to go in other directions with the show but they could have gotten a lot more out of Jimmy's character.

post #384 of 400

The writing for Nucky has to step up too. I love Buscemi's work on the show, in fact I think he's kind of holding the whole thing together, but the writers for the character haven't quite figured out what the most interesting way to present him is. I hope they don't just decide he's the bad guy now, that would be very disappointing.

 

On the other hand, I don't need this show to have a titanic Tony Soprano presence at the center.

post #385 of 400
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I think what sucks the most is that it was Michael Pitt himself who fucked up and had to be written off. The scene was great and it allows them to go in other directions with the show but they could have gotten a lot more out of Jimmy's character.



Has that been confirmed? I heard that rumor but the Pitt and the show-runners denied it. Of course, they would, but I had never seen anything other than rumor. 

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That is awesome! "WrestleMania!!"

post #389 of 400

I was just watching Groundhog Day and recognized Michael Shannon, came here to post it, but was too late.  Not quite creepy looking yet, but you can see the potential.

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I actually didn't mind the way Jimmy's ending played out.  I think it's too early to say if the show will really suffer without him.  However, I hated that overly theatrical ending to the whole Oedipal theme.  Maybe cool conceptually, but in execution it felt almost silly.
 
I can't get much of a read on Nucky at all.  After two seasons he seems fairly poorly defined for a main character.  Other than wanting business to run smoothly (and be business, not violence or thrill seeking), I'm not all that sure what his appetites are, what he's conflicted about, what, if anything, he truly loves.
 
I hate where they've taken Margaret's character.  Giving Nucky's dirty money away to the church in order to pay for her sins strikes me as terribly dull, and not at all befitting a woman of her fierce intelligence.
 
For two seasons I feel like they've largely wasted Michael Shannon's talents, and I can only hope in the third season Van Alden actually becomes something resembling a three dimensional person.
 
I tend to favor the secondary charaters.  Give me more Chalky, more Richard, more Eli, more Rothstein, more Manny, more Esther, more Owen.
post #392 of 400

I think Nucky's character will be more defined in season 3 now that he's gone full gangster. 

 

I hated Margaret's character for the most part until the last few minutes of the season 2 finale. After what Nucky did to Jimmy I was happy when Margaret knew that whole story Nucky told her about Jimmy re-enlisting in the military was bullshit. I loved when she signed over the land to the Church to screw over Nucky. 

 

IMO, they need a really strong season 3. I don't think the writers will fail but I think they need to get some of the more casual viewers back on their side because a lot of people are pissed over what they did to Jimmy. I was too, at first. Now I re-watch that scene at the end of season 2 all the time. It was absolutely amazing. Very well acted, the rain, the background... everything about that scene was epic. So I'll be back for sure. I want to see more Richard, Owen and Manny next season. But season 3 needs to end with Manny being taken out by Richard. 

post #393 of 400

Last season kicked balls.

 

I still don't understand the Jimmy fans. What's to like about him? It's like he's the opposite of a woman on an AMC show, the way people make excuses for him. 

post #394 of 400

Wow. This may be the best, most succint description of my feelings towards the reactions to him I've ever seen.

post #395 of 400

I didn't know if I should post this here or make a new thread since we're still so far away so I'll just post this here. 

 

Season 3 Teaser: 

 

post #396 of 400

As much as I loved this show I think the series could easily have concluded after S2. There were few things i.e. storylines  that were left dangling. Other than Jimmy's incestuous mother and Margaret signing over the land to the Church not much was left unresolved: The Commodore is dead, Nucky is king of AC again, crazy, evangelical fed is on the run but his arc is basically over, Rothstein and Luciano run NYC, while Capone will soon be king of Chicago. I don't see why we need a S3.  

post #397 of 400

Other than it's a good show that's fun to watch? I think it's possible they've just got started with this show.

post #398 of 400

Certainly not complaining that we're getting a S3 and possibly beyond, simply stating that the show's conclusion wouldn't have completely taken me by surprise. But definately looking forward to see where they take these characters -both real and fictional.

post #399 of 400

This is a show that has to go about 4 seasons. No more than that though. Stopping it after season 2 especially with the way everything ended it's kind of crazy to say it should have ended. There's more than enough to keep it interesting for 2 more seasons. 

post #400 of 400

I don't think the show should end until at least the depression hits.

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