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post #251 of 456
11/18/11 at 10:21am

Tons of facts!: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/nov/16/occupy-protests-data-video

 

 

Also, love this.

 

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post #252 of 456
11/18/11 at 5:46pm

So HERE is how OWS is being portrayed by the Right.

 

There was a great book (which sadly I can't remember the title of due to Alzheimer's) that described how the Media destroyed the Progressive movement in the 60's. Basically they ignored the reasonable, moderate community leaders who wanted to effect meaningful change, and covered the smelliest, druggiest, most out-there Hippies (and later Yippies). And that became the 60's, with repercussions that we are still dealing with.

 

I think OWs needs to become a coherent movement sooner rather than later.

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post #253 of 456
11/19/11 at 6:19am

Interesting segment on Chris Hayes on a lobbying proposal to the big banks re: OWS.

 

I guess those assholes are beginning to pucker.

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post #254 of 456
11/19/11 at 7:35am

Disgusting. Around the 4:50 mark on guy talks about the Protestors as "raving lunatics" and argues that is an argument for carrying "concealed weapons".

 

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post #255 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:16am

Holy shit! Cops went nuts on UC Davis students. UC Davis professor calls for Chancellor's resignation.

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post #256 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:18am

 

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post

So HERE is how OWS is being portrayed by the Right.

 

There was a great book (which sadly I can't remember the title of due to Alzheimer's) that described how the Media destroyed the Progressive movement in the 60's.

 

 

...and then corporations finished the job.

 

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post #257 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:23am

A movement like this takes a long time.  It's going to be dragged through the mud by the forces that like things just the way they are.  That happened with civil rights and as Cylon pointed out the Progressive groups of the '60s.  I hope everyone just buckles down, stays true and continues to stand.  Because endurance is what creates the kind of pressure that can move mountains. 

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post #258 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post

Holy shit! Cops went nuts on UC Davis students. UC Davis professor calls for Chancellor's resignation.


Wow.  I just emailed the pi...er, the cop who did the deed with a piece of my mind.

 

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post #259 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post

Holy shit! Cops went nuts on UC Davis students. UC Davis professor calls for Chancellor's resignation.


Jesus. I've never seen a more perfect example of the Sociopathy inherent to police brutality. Fucking disgusting.

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post #260 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post

A movement like this takes a long time.  It's going to be dragged through the mud by the forces that like things just the way they are.  That happened with civil rights and as Cylon pointed out the Progressive groups of the '60s.  I hope everyone just buckles down, stays true and continues to stand.  Because endurance is what creates the kind of pressure that can move mountains. 


Yes, but I think even now the seed has been planted in the minds of the populace at large, which is all it takes...Wall Street is now under a microscope.

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post #261 of 456
11/19/11 at 9:47am

Totally, all the so-called lefties that are criticizing the movement fail to realize that they didn't change the narrative, Occupy Wall Street did.  It's already achieved the near-impossible, which is to get the incredible rigging of our economic system, the massive wealth gap, highway robbery of student loans and corrosive effects of lobbying into the idiotic corporate media.  Even though it's corrupt, we still live in a democracy and if more people do what they did in Ohio and Maine, no amount of money and targeted advertising from the a-holes in the Chamber of Commerce etc. can stop it. 

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post #262 of 456
11/19/11 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post

So HERE is how OWS is being portrayed by the Right.


That's pretty laughable, though. And for once I'm actually heartened by a YouTube comments thread, this one consisting largely of people not buying it.

 

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post #263 of 456
11/19/11 at 10:15am

This is what's happening right behind closed doors all over the place right now.  PR companies have the skill, the technology and the richest clients on the planet.  They could convince us all that the sky was green if they wanted to. 

 

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Lobbying firm's memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street

By Jonathan Larsen and Ken Olshansky, MSNBC TV

 

A well-known Washington lobbying firm with links to the financial industry has proposed an $850,000 plan to take on Occupy Wall Street and politicians who might express sympathy for the protests, according to a memo obtained by the MSNBC program “Up w/ Chris Hayes.”

 

The proposal was written on the letterhead of the lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford and addressed to one of CLGC’s clients, the American Bankers Association.

 

CLGC’s memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct “opposition research” on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct “negative narratives” about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead.

 

According to the memo, if Democrats embrace OWS, “This would mean more than just short-term political discomfort for Wall Street. … It has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye.”

 

The memo also suggests that Democratic victories in 2012 should not be the ABA’s biggest concern. “… (T)he bigger concern,” the memo says, “should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies.”

 

Two of the memo’s authors, partners Sam Geduldig and Jay Cranford, previously worked for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. Geduldig joined CLGC before Boehner became speaker;  Cranford joined CLGC this year after serving as the speaker’s assistant for policy. A third partner, Steve Clark, is reportedly “tight” with Boehner, according to a story by Roll Call that CLGC features on its website. 

 

Jeff Sigmund, an ABA spokesperson, confirmed that the association got the memo. “Our Government Relations staff did receive the proposal – it was unsolicited and we chose not to act on it in any way,” he said in a statement to "Up."

 

 

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8884405-lobbying-firms-memo-spells-out-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street

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post #264 of 456
11/19/11 at 10:42am

D. S. Randlett already linked to that, yt.

 

I dunno. I feel like they waited too long to start kicking back, and their initial thrusts (thanks to folks like Frank Miller) have been pretty clumsy and laughable. As easily led as people can be, sudden allegations of rape and debauchery have to seem hollow and suspicious to most people. And trying to talk about what great patriots the Tea Party are falls a little flat--they consistently painted themselves as fighting an oppressive tyrant, yet somehow it's the OWS folks who are getting teargassed and beaten. You have to have a pretty high tolerance for cognitive dissonance not to look at that and wonder. The right is trying to turn it around too fast--it reminds me of John McCain's run for president, where they tried to emphasize his military service--but they'd just spent the last presidential election (and arguably the one before) trying to undermine the concept of military service to defeat Kerry, so they'd shot themselves in the foot. I think something similar is bound to happen here, especially since people are naturally inclined to be sympathetic to protestors right now, be they Tea Party or OWS.

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post #265 of 456
11/19/11 at 10:52am

Apologies to D.S. Randlett!  d'oh!

 

People are with OWS now, but these PR firms have their focus-group-tested techniques down to a science, so just buckle up.

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post #266 of 456
11/19/11 at 11:08am

Sure, but all the PR in the world isn't going to put money in people's bank accounts or give them jobs. Or change their opinions about people they actually know who may be joining the protestors. This is what's desperately been needing to happen for a while now--a true grassroots left-wing movement. And like I say, the right just spent a couple of years drumming up support for the idea of fighting the power. To turn around instantly and say "But those people are dangerous anarchists!" isn't going to work with anyone who isn't a dyed-in-the-wool, Orwellian conservative follower, and no one was ever going to reach those people anyway.

 

We're talking about how the counterculture revolutions of the 60s were co-opted, but the co-opting took a decade or two. In the meantime, they accomplished shit.

 

Not saying it's not going to get rough, but we've already seen some kickback and I don't think people are buying it. The narrative's already shifted quite a bit. Also, hilariously, taking a strong anti-OWS stance basically means supporting the established power structure, which means you'll be siding to some degree with Obama. Even if you're a complete zombie who does whatever the talking heads of the right tell you to do, you've been given too many conflicting orders in too short a time.

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post #267 of 456
11/19/11 at 12:00pm

No problem, yt. The article was just so nice it got shared twice.

 

And I don't think PR campaigns against OWS are going to quite work out like some might hope. There's just too much public sentiment on their side, especially concerning issues of income inequality. I do the accounting for a tire store in Virginia, where the political conversation usually takes the form of "Man this weather sucks... fuck Obama." And even in here, you've got all of these avowed Fox News watchers talking about financial transactions taxes in a favorable light. That's kind of astounding to me.

 

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post #268 of 456
11/19/11 at 12:10pm

That pepper spray video is the top story on Google News at the moment, with a crapload of coverage from major media sources during the last hour or so. Looks like they picked the wrong day to start pepper spraying passive kids.

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post #269 of 456
11/19/11 at 12:20pm

Sign a petition asking for UC Davis Chancellor to resign!

 

Also, evidence that NYPD destroyed protestors personal property.

 

http://gawker.com/5861142/did-nypd-destroy-occupy-wall-street-protesters-stuff

 

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post #270 of 456
11/19/11 at 1:18pm

I'm hopeful, but I see a strong "counter narrative" already appearing. Just a brief YouTube search brings up videos like this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFQuEwJ5xI

 

Note that video was posted by "TeaPartyTelevision"

 

And of course, to my point above, there are always idiots that can be made to represent the whole movement:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ3nEVCtPx0&feature=related

 

 

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post #271 of 456
11/19/11 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post

I'm hopeful, but I see a strong "counter narrative" already appearing. Just a brief YouTube search brings up videos like this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFQuEwJ5xI

 

Note that video was posted by "TeaPartyTelevision"

 

And of course, to my point above, there are always idiots that can be made to represent the whole movement:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ3nEVCtPx0&feature=related

 

 


This is exactly what I'm talking about.  The corporate world has gotten extremely sophisticated about so-called "viral" campaigns.  They're sneaky MF-ers.  I see them all over the 'net pretending to be on the left or "regular folks" while spewing the kind of ideas/talking points that will accomplish the goals of the corporations, i.e. suppressing the vote in 2012, believing the lie that OWS is a bunch of unwashed, violent, drug-taking hippies with "no demands," etc.  I'm just saying underestimate the pushback at your peril. 

 

OWS is an incredibly powerful movement, and it scares the crap out of the establishment and the corporations both.  Yes, people out in the world are recognizing the clear disconnect between what they see with their own eyes and what's portrayed on Fox News & CNN, but what the smear campaign is going to try to do is make it out like OWS is doing it wrong and discourage people from sympathizing, joining or in any way backing them.  The more inclusive OWS is, the more it scares the powers that be, which is why they're being painted as a bunch of violent, unfocused, useless miscreants rather than just regular people standing up for what's right.

 

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post #272 of 456
11/20/11 at 11:54am

That video of the UC Davis chancellor walking to her car amidst a large crowd of completely silent protestors is awesome.

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post #273 of 456
11/20/11 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by PMR View Post

That video of the UC Davis chancellor walking to her car amidst a large crowd of completely silent protestors is awesome.


Whoever organized that silent protest: fucking bravo. Fucking incredible. Funny how the chancellor is a virtual doppelganger of Maggie Thatcher too.

 

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Edited by Art Decade - 11/20/11 at 6:15pm
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post #274 of 456
11/20/11 at 1:54pm

Just for fun I thought I'd post two opposing views of OWs published in The New Republic:

 

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/96062/occupy-wall-street-zizek-lewis

 

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/96283/berman-ows-tk

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post #275 of 456
11/20/11 at 5:16pm

Lt. Pike is a meme!

 

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post #276 of 456
11/20/11 at 10:27pm

Glad you included that. That behavior has no business in our democratic republic.

 

In a crony capitalistic mafia republic with no rule of law or prosecution of real criminals though?

 

Perfect.

 

Stand up for your rights and a system that matters Americans. Help yourself and your neighbors!

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post #277 of 456
11/21/11 at 7:10am

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post #278 of 456
11/21/11 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by PMR View Post

That video of the UC Davis chancellor walking to her car amidst a large crowd of completely silent protestors is awesome.



Wow...and here I was ready to give up on humanity.

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post #279 of 456
11/21/11 at 10:02am

Meanwhile, in (unrelated?) news...

 

Thousands rally against Wisconsin Republican governor

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-rally-against-wisconsin-republican-governor-050012893.html

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post #280 of 456
11/21/11 at 8:22pm

I really do think Wisconsin led the way toward the Occupy movement.  I think people were really inspired by what happened there, and in Egypt and Tunisia as well (although Egypt at least seems to be on some kind of precipice).  I really hope the people of Wisconsin manage to oust Walker after everything he's done, although some a-holes are trying or at least bragging that they're going to try to subvert the recall by collecting signatures and then destroying them. 

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post #281 of 456
11/21/11 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by PMR View Post

That video of the UC Davis chancellor walking to her car amidst a large crowd of completely silent protestors is awesome.



Holy crap, is that powerful. 

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post #282 of 456
11/22/11 at 10:44am

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Good job, internet.

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post #283 of 456
11/22/11 at 1:55pm

Wait, in two of those pics Lt Pike is a Hero!

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post #284 of 456
11/22/11 at 2:17pm

http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/11/22/occupy-movement-set-to-take/

 

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post #285 of 456
11/22/11 at 2:27pm

They make a point to not occupy or boycott local or small businesses.  With that caveat, I think it's a great idea.  Here's the list they give of publicly traded businesses to avoid:

 

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- Abercrombie & Fitch
- Amazon.com (yes, we have to stay away from Amazon, too!)
- AT&T Wireless
- Burlington Coat Factory
- Dick's Sporting Goods (I was surprised, too!)
- Dollar Tree
- The Home Depot
- Neiman Marcus
- OfficeMax
- Toys R'Us
- Verizon Wireless
- Wal-Mart

 

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post #286 of 456
11/22/11 at 8:00pm

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/occupy-protestor-hands-president-obama-note-201229558.html

 

 

Interesting but I'd be surprised if we get any kind of response from him.

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post #287 of 456
11/22/11 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by bigbrother View Post

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/occupy-protestor-hands-president-obama-note-201229558.html

 

 

Interesting but I'd be surprised if we get any kind of response from him.


 

I think the fact that that happened at all is amazing.  Can you imagine the same thing happening with President Bush?  There wouldn't be any Occupy people even allowed in the room.

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post #288 of 456
11/22/11 at 8:24pm

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post #289 of 456
11/22/11 at 8:44pm

not that there isn't a fair share of humor to be found in the OWS movement, but I am finding it difficult to find any humor with regards to the  'Lt Pike meme' ....even without hearing this guy tell his side of the story, I bet he is nothing more than a major league authoritarian asshole...and IMO, the "only doing my job" excuse doesn't hold any weight here.

 

I also see that Fox news is  trying to spin this in their typical way....

 

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“It’s a derivative of actual pepper, it’s a food product, essentially,” she told host Bill O’Reilly. “A lot of experts are looking at saying is that the real deal. Has it been diluted?”

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/22/fox-news-host-megyn-kelly-calls-pepper-spray-a-food-product/

 

 if it's a "food product" maybe we could spray some in your eyes.....just like waterboarding isn't torture....

is having a sociopathic personality a requirement for working at Fox?

 

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post #290 of 456
11/23/11 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

not that there isn't a fair share of humor to be found in the OWS movement, but I am finding it difficult to find any humor with regards to the  'Lt Pike meme' ....even without hearing this guy tell his side of the story, I bet he is nothing more than a major league authoritarian asshole...and IMO, the "only doing my job" excuse doesn't hold any weight here.

 

I also see that Fox news is  trying to spin this in their typical way....

 

 

 if it's a "food product" maybe we could spray some in your eyes.....just like waterboarding isn't torture....

is having a sociopathic personality a requirement for working at Fox?

 


Wow.

 

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post #291 of 456
11/23/11 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post


 

I think the fact that that happened at all is amazing.  Can you imagine the same thing happening with President Bush?  There wouldn't be any Occupy people even allowed in the room.


Everyone commenting about this on my fb marvels at the relaxed security detail.  It's like Obama is some small time senator on the campaign trail, not the Commander In Chief who can't breathe without the air being purified.  The fuck?

 

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post #292 of 456
11/23/11 at 9:53am

and why am I not surprised....

 

Pepper spray cop was involved in anti-gay slur lawsuit which ended in $240,000 settlement

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065035/Pepper-spraying-cop-anti-gay-slur-lawsuit-ending-240-000-settlement-previously-saying-spray-best-tool.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

 

edit to add....I do know there are smart, competent law enforcement officers out there, but I am starting to wonder if they are becoming way out-numbered by the morans.

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post #293 of 456
11/23/11 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

and why am I not surprised....

 

Pepper spray cop was involved in anti-gay slur lawsuit which ended in $240,000 settlement

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065035/Pepper-spraying-cop-anti-gay-slur-lawsuit-ending-240-000-settlement-previously-saying-spray-best-tool.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

 

edit to add....I do know there are smart, competent law enforcement officers out there, but I am starting to wonder if they are becoming way out-numbered by the morans.

 

Check mate.

 

My friend is going to the UC Davis campus today to protest.  I told him to bring a steak so they could season it with their "food product".
 

 

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post #294 of 456
11/23/11 at 10:04am

In the wake of the incident at UC Davis, childhood photos of Lt. Pike have begun to surface:

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post #295 of 456
11/23/11 at 12:30pm

Jesus...

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065258/Occupy-Seattle-protester-Jennifer-M-Fox-miscarriage-police-pepper-spray-attack.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

Teenage Occupy Seattle protester 'suffered miscarriage after police pepper spray attack'

Police have launched an internal investigation after a 19-year-old woman claims she suffered a miscarriage after being pepper-sprayed at an Occupy Seattle protest. Jennifer M. Fox says police kicked her and hit her in the stomach with a bicycle at the encampment on November 15 and also doused her with pepper spray. She says she was three months pregnant at the time.

 

'I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in,' Ms Fox has said. ‘I was screaming, “I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out,”’ she continued.

 

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Crying out: Jennifer Fox was rushed to the hospital after being kicked in the stomach and sprayed with pepper spray by police in Seattle

 

After being kicked and sprayed, she was rushed to the hospital by ambulance where she said an ultrasound confirmed that her baby had not been affected.

But she began cramping and went back to the hospital five days later, and she said she was then told by doctors that there was no heartbeat for the baby.

 

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Cyclists: Ms Fox said that a police officer kicked her in the stomach and threw a bike at her, which she believes prompted her to miscarry

 

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Indiscriminate: Police sprayed Dorli Rainey, 84, in Seattle as well

 

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post #296 of 456
11/23/11 at 12:34pm

That just...I'm pretty fucking upset over that.

 

EDIT:  I hope she sues them for every nickel.

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post #297 of 456
11/23/11 at 12:46pm

I read a conservative tweeting a couple days ago about how I wasn't allowed to be upset about the UC Davis pepper spraying unless I was equally upset about the vague accusations of rape amongst one of the Occupy camps. I wonder what I have to be equally outraged about to be outraged about this.

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post #298 of 456
11/23/11 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

I read a conservative tweeting a couple days ago about how I wasn't allowed to be upset about the UC Davis pepper spraying unless I was equally upset about the vague accusations of rape amongst one of the Occupy camps.



Yeah, because a few bad apples in the movement vindicates Wall Street and validates violent cops.  Christ.

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post #299 of 456
11/23/11 at 12:59pm

That makes me sick. I know no one here would do it but every person who says she shouldn't have been there needs a beating. Any time something like this happens it's all I hear from the people that defend this kind of crap.

 

Edit to add: What supporters of OWS have ever said they weren't upset with rape? Oh wait, are they trying to make it seem like all the OWS people are rape supporters just like all Tea Partiers are racist? I get it now. Good god.

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post #300 of 456
11/23/11 at 1:03pm

I just don't know what the Right-Wing is thinking at all this moment.

 

Oh wait...money.

 

 

 

Quote:Dan Baker

Edit to add: What supporters of OWS have ever said they weren't upset with rape? Oh wait, are they trying to make it seem like all the OWS people are rape supporters just like all Tea Partiers are racist? I get it now. Good god.

 

 

 

Though to be absolutely fair I think it's easier to say that the Tea Party has racist tendencies than the OWS protesters are all rape-fans.

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