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Karl Rove is funneling corporate money into this TV ad attacking Elizabeth Warren for fighting Wall Street.

 

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Originally Posted by LaurenOrtega View Post

 

 

Though to be absolutely fair I think it's easier to say that the Tea Party has racist tendencies than the OWS protesters are all rape-fans.



To rational people, it is absolutely easier to say. These aren't rational people though.

post #303 of 456

According to Megyn Kelly's logic, rape is just "surprise sex", essentially.

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That makes me sick. I know no one here would do it but every person who says she shouldn't have been there needs a beating.


She was there because she was a concerned citizen doing her duty, and not expecting to be brutally beaten and pepper sprayed by people hired to protect her.  If anything, she was doing her unborn kid a favor by being concerned for its future.

 

I'll take common sense for $500 Alex.

 

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Originally Posted by Diva View Post

Karl Rove is funneling corporate money into this TV ad attacking Elizabeth Warren for fighting Wall Street.


I can't help but think that the right wing response to OWS has been clunky and slow in general. If they'd been REALLY sharp they could have co-opted them into the Tea Party back when it was just a bunch of folks camping out on Wall Street with no specific message. More recently, their attempts to smear the Occupiers have seemed kind of halfhearted and unfocused compared to footage of cops beating and pepper spraying protesters, and as I mentioned several pages back, conflict pretty strongly with the "fight the man!" narrative the right was promoting mere months ago. Now there's this ad, which attempts to make it look like radicals are storming the streets...right as the Occupiers are being evicted and have less of a physical presence.

 

post #306 of 456

With all due respect, Prankster, I disagree. The Right's OWS narrative gives them that "Dirty, Raping Hippie Scum" enemy they've been missing since the 60's. Actually no, they haven't missed it, because they drag it out anytime any vaguely Progressive Politician or policy proposal appears.

 

Believe me, you go to Fresno or Tulare, people there are probably high fiving each other over that UC Davis pepper spray incident.

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Of course there are people who will never be won over, even if the King of Wall Street came out and ate a baby live on TV while twirling his mustache. I have no problem believing there are assholes who are cheering on Lt. Pike. But the people any argument has to win over are the regular joes, the moderates, the only mildly political, the people who are only half-paying attention. And if the argument being used on these people to counteract videos of pepper spray and stories about miscarriages is vague mutterings about how they're all rapists, I find that kind of laughable.

 

The "these people are violent anarchists! Of course the police had to put them down!" argument is more convincing, but again, we just spent a couple years hearing about how the system was corrupt and there were a whole bunch of patriots out there standing up to the commie Nazis of the Obama administration. Now we're supposed to be pro-commie-Nazi? If you haven't already drunk the Kool-aid, that's a lot to swallow.

 

But I don't know, I don't live in America, maybe I'm way off here. I just feel like the right-wing propaganda machine has gotten lazy in the last decade--they got used to being able to scream "9/11! Terrorists! Booga booga!" and everyone would just go along with their stupid shit. I think it dulled their edge. The Anti-Warren ad is another variation on this--anarchists instead of terrorists--but that works less and less every time you use it.

post #308 of 456

Chris Bird liveblogged the eviction of the Torontonian Occupy camp. Annoyingly, for those who dislike cliches about how polite Canadians are, it went down completely calmly. Clearly the police was anxious not to repeat the mistakes of the G20 summit.

post #309 of 456

The right didn't get its narrative down about the Occupy movement really until lately.  First it was the brainchild of Obama or George Soros, then it was privileged white kids with their iPhones and arugula, then it was dirty, druggy, rapey hippies, which is the one that has kind of stuck.  Their real problem is that they want Occupy to go to Washington and protest government rather than big business.  It makes them extremely uncomfortable and downright scared when normal people--young people no less--start burrowing towards the truth. 

 

I do think there are a lot of people high-fiving each other over the pepper spray and other mistreatment of Occupiers.  It's people who always have to be "better than" other people, and who love to see the people they're "better than" get their comeuppance.

 

Prankster, Los Angeles is kind of the same.  The cops here have been exemplary toward Occupy LA, but now they're trying to find a polite way to get them to leave City Hall.  I don't think they will leave, and I hope they stay. 

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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

According to Megyn Kelly's logic, rape is just "surprise sex", essentially.



Hahaha and now Megyn is getting a lot of flack about her comments that Pepper Spray is a "Food Product".

 

In Fact, there is a petition on the Web to have Megyn enjoy a nice blast of Pepper Spray to the face!

 

I hope all Chewers have a great Thanksgiving, and forge Pepper Spray on their Turkey!

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Once again, The Simpsons was ahead of the curve.

 

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In a similar vein:

 

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Also posted this in the comics forum:

 

Alan Moore comments on the V mask being adopted as a protest symbol.

 

What's ironic is that when the movie was being made, Moore pointed out, correctly, that the filmmakers had misinterpreted what V stood for. He wasn't a freedom fighter, he was an anarchist with his own agenda of revenge, and he would have been the villain in most situations--but he happened to have existed in the right context to be a hero. He wasn't about restoring democracy (which is why blowing up Parliament makes sense in the comic and doesn't in the movie) and he was only about "freedom" in its pure, not-necessarily-beneficial, "Do as thou wilt" form. So unfortunately, the masks do give a bit of ammo to people who claim that the OWS protesters are a bunch of lawless anarchists--they're certainly adopting the symbol of a lawless anarchist.

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   I hate the Fred Phelps's cult as much as everybody else. Yet I respect the First Amendment right. I would rather live in a country with people who make speech look like a bad idea, then have no free speech. If you disagree with OWS, fine you have that right. However if your alright with people being pepper sprayed at point blank range, you are not a patriot. I know I'm stating the obvious to anyone who paid attention in seventh grade, but it seems like a lot of people didn't do that.

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I don't really think that's what the pic is saying..so much as "These guys are inherently WORSE than the protesters and yet you don't see the police fucking them up!"

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I don't really think that's what the pic is saying..so much as "These guys are inherently WORSE than the protesters and yet you don't see the police fucking them up!"


This is correct.

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 I was thinking more of Megyn Kelly's pepper spray is just a food additive logic.

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"Pepper spray for some, miniature American flags for others!"

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Retailers report record black friday sales...Christ people.

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I observed Buy Nothing Day but people I know bought movies and games.  Fortunately, I don't know any of the people who stampeded for $2 waffle irons.  Sigh. 

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It's like, people aren't even intelligent enough to know what black friday even means in the first place.  Forget realizing that if they didn't buy anything on the day retailers go into the black, they'd be forced to slash prices like crazy and everything would be more affordable.  Instead, the mindless zombie consumer culture thrives.  One thing this does say though is that people are more miserable than ever...because when people are miserable, they shop to fill that hole.

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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post

Megyn Kelly's pepper spray is just a food additive logic.


 

I think people are making too big a deal out of those pepper spray comments. As a great man once said, "once you get used to it, it just clears the sinuses."

 

 

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Retailers report record black friday sales...Christ people.



I thought the point was to hit certain specific retailers, not to drive down sales across the board. Though I'm sure Wal*Mart and co. did fine as well...?

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I thought the point was to hit certain specific retailers, not to drive down sales across the board. Though I'm sure Wal*Mart and co. did fine as well...?


Well the specific retailers were the giants and if they get affected, overall sales should drop.  Oh well.  I hope the sheep have fun with what they continue to feed.  It's like watching a heroin act destroy himself.  I'm not even saying don't buy anything, just avoid black Friday for obvious reasons...is it really that difficult?  I guess it is when your mind is so programmed, you may as well wear a dog collar.

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Good god it just gets worse. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-undisclosed-to-congress-gave-banks-13-billion-in-income.html

 

Oops to add I should have put this in the Economy thread.

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Photo from the NYC rally and march a few weeks ago. Too bad no one reported on the thousands upon thousands of people who turned out.

 

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It was a glorious sight, Diva. Glad to be a part of it. Criminal the lack of coverage, but I think Kim was going through her divorce at the time.

 

There are times (okay, usually once a day), reading Salon or HuffPo or whatever, and I hear about all this shit and idiocy and corporate dominance, I read an article about how we should go all Swift and sell our kids (and think, well, it's not like we're giving them much of a better chance anyways), and I have to watch this. I just have to. It's been making the rounds on the internet for a few weeks, but it still grips, still reminds me why we're here. I might've shared it, but I'm sharing it again.

 

 

Fuckin A, Charlie.

 

 

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Criminal the lack of coverage, but I think Kim was going through her divorce at the time.

 

 

???
 

 

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Kardashian.

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Oh, that bitch. 

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Shame on both of us for knowing that, Doc.  hahahah

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The U.S. coverage is embarrassing, but I have to say, Olbermann has been doing a pretty heroic job keeping OWS in his nightly show, if anyone's watching (I am).

 

ETA, Doc Happenin, that clip is incredible.  Wow.  Getting misty eyed over here.

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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/occupy-protesters-mobilize-for-obamas-visit/

 

Occupy Protesters Mobilize for Obama’s Visit

Taken at 7:22 p.m.Occupy Wall Street protesters were in Times Square on their way to the Sheraton New York where President Obama is staying Wednesday Nov. 30, 2011.
 
Tina Fineberg for The New York Times
Occupy Wall Street demonstrators were in Times Square on Wednesday night to protest an event for President Obama.
 

10:06 p.m. | Updated More than 100 Occupy Wall Street protesters marched to a Midtown hotel on Wednesday night to protest a fund-raising event for President Obama.

 

Escorted by police vehicles as they helped snarl traffic across the Times Square area, beginning at Bryant Park, the group settled in front of barricades on the southwest corner of 53rd Street and Seventh Avenue, in view of the Sheraton hotel at which Mr. Obama was expected to appear by 9 p.m.

 

Demonstrators held signs that leveled some of the Occupy protest’s most pointed criticism to date of the president. “Obama is a corporate puppet,” one said. “War crimes must be stopped, no matter who does them,” read another, beside head shots of President George W. Bush and President Obama.

 

One man, wearing a mask of the president’s face and holding a cigar, carried a sign that read, “I sold out!”

 

Ben Campbell, 28, one of the march’s organizers, said he hoped to prove to skeptics of the protests that the demonstrators were political critics of equal opportunity.

“President Obama is coming to town solely to raise money from the richest of the rich,” Mr. Campbell said.

 

The 45-minute march from Bryant Park forced shoppers and theatergoers into retreat on what most likely would have been a difficult night to find sidewalk space anyway. At one point, two pedestrians tried to move through the crowd head-on but quickly reconsidered, breaking into a jog in the other direction. “You better not go that way,” one protester told them moments earlier. “You’re going to hit democracy.”

 

Officers, on foot and on motorcycles, followed the protesters with each step, trying — with occasional success — to keep marchers off the road. Many protesters chafed at the sight of barricaded pens near the hotel, but a majority decided to stay, given how close they were to their destination. Shortly before 9 p.m., as the police cut off traffic and began making final preparations for the president’s arrival, officers informed demonstrators that the area had been designated a “frozen zone” until the president’s departure: They were not allowed to leave their enclosure, bound by three lines of barricades and a Chase bank. Some protesters tried to break through, but were swiftly rebuffed by officers, who shoved them back to their initial perches.

Before the trek began around 6:45 p.m., one officer appeared to foretell a difficult evening. “This is going to be fun,” he said to a colleague, dropping his head. “I already tore my A.C.L. on this job.”

 

 

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apologies if this has already been posted....saw it on another forum and it seems apropos...

 

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Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker View Post

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/occupy-protesters-mobilize-for-obamas-visit/

 

Occupy Protesters Mobilize for Obama’s Visit

Taken at 7:22 p.m.Occupy Wall Street protesters were in Times Square on their way to the Sheraton New York where President Obama is staying Wednesday Nov. 30, 2011.
 
Tina Fineberg for The New York Times
Occupy Wall Street demonstrators were in Times Square on Wednesday night to protest an event for President Obama.
 

10:06 p.m. | Updated More than 100 Occupy Wall Street protesters marched to a Midtown hotel on Wednesday night to protest a fund-raising event for President Obama.

 

Escorted by police vehicles as they helped snarl traffic across the Times Square area, beginning at Bryant Park, the group settled in front of barricades on the southwest corner of 53rd Street and Seventh Avenue, in view of the Sheraton hotel at which Mr. Obama was expected to appear by 9 p.m.

 

Demonstrators held signs that leveled some of the Occupy protest’s most pointed criticism to date of the president. “Obama is a corporate puppet,” one said. “War crimes must be stopped, no matter who does them,” read another, beside head shots of President George W. Bush and President Obama.

 

One man, wearing a mask of the president’s face and holding a cigar, carried a sign that read, “I sold out!”

 

Ben Campbell, 28, one of the march’s organizers, said he hoped to prove to skeptics of the protests that the demonstrators were political critics of equal opportunity.

“President Obama is coming to town solely to raise money from the richest of the rich,” Mr. Campbell said.

 

The 45-minute march from Bryant Park forced shoppers and theatergoers into retreat on what most likely would have been a difficult night to find sidewalk space anyway. At one point, two pedestrians tried to move through the crowd head-on but quickly reconsidered, breaking into a jog in the other direction. “You better not go that way,” one protester told them moments earlier. “You’re going to hit democracy.”

 

Officers, on foot and on motorcycles, followed the protesters with each step, trying — with occasional success — to keep marchers off the road. Many protesters chafed at the sight of barricaded pens near the hotel, but a majority decided to stay, given how close they were to their destination. Shortly before 9 p.m., as the police cut off traffic and began making final preparations for the president’s arrival, officers informed demonstrators that the area had been designated a “frozen zone” until the president’s departure: They were not allowed to leave their enclosure, bound by three lines of barricades and a Chase bank. Some protesters tried to break through, but were swiftly rebuffed by officers, who shoved them back to their initial perches.

Before the trek began around 6:45 p.m., one officer appeared to foretell a difficult evening. “This is going to be fun,” he said to a colleague, dropping his head. “I already tore my A.C.L. on this job.”

 

 


This is a disgustingly slanted story.  Frank Luntz just gave a talk about how to respond to Occupy Wall St. and it's, guess what, Occupy the White House.  The sign in the foreground is probably someone sent over from Freedomworks. 

 

I'm all for pressuring the President to take up the issues OWS is about, and the smart lefties are too, but the way the corporations won in 2010 was discouraging voting because "both parties are the same" and "Obama is a corporate sell-out."  Luntz is no dummy.  The best way to neutralize Occupy Wall Street is to take them off Wall Street and deposit them on the White House lawn, then their message is much easier to pervert and neutralize. 

 

I'm sure the message of this march is a lot more constructive than "Obama is a sell-out," but you won't find it in the corporate media.

 

 

 

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Frank Luntz is an evil genius, and underestimate the impact of his framing at your peril.  Here is how he is teaching Republicans to talk about OWS:

 

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1. Don't say 'capitalism.'

"I'm trying to get that word removed and we're replacing it with either 'economic freedom' or 'free market,' " Luntz said. "The public . . . still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we're seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we've got a problem."

 

2. Don't say that the government 'taxes the rich.' Instead, tell them that the government 'takes from the rich.'

"If you talk about raising taxes on the rich," the public responds favorably, Luntz cautioned. But  "if you talk about government taking the money from hardworking Americans, the public says no. Taxing, the public will say yes."

 

3. Republicans should forget about winning the battle over the 'middle class.' Call them 'hardworking taxpayers.'

"They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers. We can say we defend the 'middle class' and the public will say, I'm not sure about that. But defending 'hardworking taxpayers' and Republicans have the advantage."

 

4. Don't talk about 'jobs.' Talk about 'careers.'

"Everyone in this room talks about 'jobs,'" Luntz said. "Watch this."

He then asked everyone to raise their hand if they want a "job." Few hands went up. Then he asked who wants a "career." Almost every hand was raised.

"So why are we talking about jobs?"

 

5. Don't say 'government spending.' Call it 'waste.'

"It's not about 'government spending.' It's about 'waste.' That's what makes people angry."

 

6. Don't ever say you're willing to 'compromise.'

"If you talk about 'compromise,' they'll say you're selling out. Your side doesn't want you to 'compromise.' What you use in that to replace it with is 'cooperation.' It means the same thing. But cooperation means you stick to your principles but still get the job done. Compromise says that you're selling out those principles."

 

7. The three most important words you can say to an Occupier: 'I get it.'

"First off, here are three words for you all: 'I get it.' . . . 'I get that you're angry. I get that you've seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system."

Then, he instructed, offer Republican solutions to the problem.

 

8. Out: 'Entrepreneur.' In: 'Job creator.'

Use the phrases "small business owners" and "job creators" instead of "entrepreneurs" and "innovators."

 

9. Don't ever ask anyone to 'sacrifice.'

"There isn't an American today in November of 2011 who doesn't think they've already sacrificed. If you tell them you want them to 'sacrifice,' they're going to be be pretty angry at you. You talk about how 'we're all in this together.' We either succeed together or we fail together."

 

10. Always blame Washington.

Tell them, "You shouldn't be occupying Wall Street, you should be occupying Washington. You should occupy the White House because it's the policies over the past few years that have created this problem."

 

BONUS:

Don't say 'bonus!'

Luntz advised that if they give their employees an income boost during the holiday season, they should never refer to it as a "bonus."

"If you give out a bonus at a time of financial hardship, you're going to make people angry. It's 'pay for performance.'"

 

Source:  http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html

 

 

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We've always been at war with Eastasia...

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We've already had some people in this thread taking #10 to heart.

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Here is the thing. Blaming gets us nowhere which is why both parties do nothing but blame.

 

Drug addicts blame, blame and blame more they never get clean until they admit there is a problem.

 

Both parties continue to talk about fixing and reshaping Washington or policies. Not about whats out of control.

 

Watch Europe carefully...

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Watch Europe carefully...



Why?

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We have a good system of laws.  The blame falls plainly at the feet of the corrosive effect of big money on our elections, three branches of government and media.  The more wealth and power people accumulate, the more they have the ability to rig the system to a) allow them even greater power of control, and b) create a system they can benefit from at the expense of everybody else.  Blame is very important in this argument, because the default of blaming "Washington" is a dead end. 

 

Show me a system of government that is impervious to assault from big money?  It doesn't exist.  In a democracy, it's possible to fight back against the money through the power of peaceful demonstration, boycotting and voting.  In a lot of other systems of government, those are not options.

 

There is a difference between Republicans and Democrats, a huge one.  All you need to do is look at the legislative record of Nancy Pelosi versus John Boehner.  Mystery solved.  And while we're assigning blame, who allowed all the nutcase Republicans to win the 2010 midterms and usher in this era of radical right, rich/corporations-coddling legislation?  The brainwashed Republicans and whiny, complacent Democrats who stayed home because "both parties are the same."

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Why?

 

 

'cause.

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Why?



Because we will see the exact same things start happening here its a matter of time.

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We have a good system of laws.  The blame falls plainly at the feet of the corrosive effect of big money on our elections, three branches of government and media.  The more wealth and power people accumulate, the more they have the ability to rig the system to a) allow them even greater power of control, and b) create a system they can benefit from at the expense of everybody else.  Blame is very important in this argument, because the default of blaming "Washington" is a dead end. 

 

Show me a system of government that is impervious to assault from big money?  It doesn't exist.  In a democracy, it's possible to fight back against the money through the power of peaceful demonstration, boycotting and voting.  In a lot of other systems of government, those are not options.

 

There is a difference between Republicans and Democrats, a huge one.  All you need to do is look at the legislative record of Nancy Pelosi versus John Boehner.  Mystery solved.  And while we're assigning blame, who allowed all the nutcase Republicans to win the 2010 midterms and usher in this era of radical right, rich/corporations-coddling legislation?  The brainwashed Republicans and whiny, complacent Democrats who stayed home because "both parties are the same."


Saying both the Apples and Oranges are rotten and the system is flawed/corrupt. I know you think the right is worse than the left and in many instances you would be correct but the left is not without blame and has made things worse for years as well. When the left had all 3 houses what happened were we thriving?

 

Look it doesn't take a genius or a populist thinker to see the SEC prosecuted jack shit over the last 7 years. Surely both parties have to agree on rule of law however how is that possible when both parties are getting money from Goldman Sachs the banks etc? Perhaps you should watch this again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI_P3pxze5w

 

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Because we will see the exact same things start happening here its a matter of time.



What's happening in Europe?  I'm not being snarky, I'm curious.

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Saying both the Apples and Oranges are rotten and the system is flawed/corrupt. I know you think the right is worse than the left and in many instances you would be correct but the left is not without blame and has made things worse for years as well. When the left had all 3 houses what happened were we thriving?

 

Look it doesn't take a genius or a populist thinker to see the SEC prosecuted jack shit over the last 7 years. Surely both parties have to agree on rule of law however how is that possible when both parties are getting money from Goldman Sachs the banks etc? Perhaps you should watch this again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI_P3pxze5w

 


You throw a perfectly ripe tomato in a salad infested with e coli, that tomato does not stay clean.  What drives Republicans, as opposed to Democrats?  Is it the general welfare of the people?  Or is the general welfare of the corporations?  That is how you distinguish Democrats from Republicans -- Democrats may be corruptible, but today's Republican party (not the GOP of the past) is all about oligarchy and feudalism, the primacy of the rich and powerful on the backs of the people.  All you need to do to know how today's Republican party views the non-rich is to listen to Newt Gingrich talk.  Poor kids "have never seen someone get up and go to work in the morning."  That's how they see everyone who is not rich. 

 

We have a corrupt system which pulls down numerous Democrats (like Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, etc.) but overall, the Democrats have not lost sight of whom they're working for, and the Republicans have no questions about whom they're working for -- as Bush said, "the haves and the have mores."

 

This is not even in question.

 

And again, it's pointless to argue this without you going and looking up what legislation was passed when Nancy Pelosi controlled the House and the legislation passed while John Boehner is in charge.  Just do that.  If you can't do that, you're not serious about the question. 

 

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You throw a perfectly ripe tomato in a salad infested with e coli, that tomato does not stay clean.  What drives Republicans, as opposed to Democrats?  Is it the general welfare of the people?  Or is the general welfare of the corporations?  That is how you distinguish Democrats from Republicans -- Democrats may be corruptible, but today's Republican party (not the GOP of the past) is all about oligarchy and feudalism, the primacy of the rich and powerful on the backs of the people.  All you need to do to know how today's Republican party views the non-rich is to listen to Newt Gingrich talk.  Poor kids "have never seen someone get up and go to work in the morning."  That's how they see everyone who is not rich. 

 

We have a corrupt system which pulls down numerous Democrats (like Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, etc.) but overall, the Democrats have not lost sight of whom they're working for, and the Republicans have no questions about whom they're working for -- as Bush said, "the haves and the have mores."

 

This is not even in question.

 

And again, it's pointless to argue this without you going and looking up what legislation was passed when Nancy Pelosi controlled the House and the legislation passed while John Boehner is in charge.  Just do that.  If you can't do that, you're not serious about the question. 

 

 

I understand your position and am sorry you don't understand mine.

 

The moment protesters found a plain-clothes cop in their midst

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-moment-protesters-found-a-plainclothes-cop-in-their-midst-6270908.html

 

6 Shocking Revelations About Wall Street’s “Secret Government”

http://www.alternet.org/story/153274/6_shocking_revelations_about_wall_street%27s_secret_government?page=entire

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