THOUGH HE’S MOVED ON, ARONOFSKY LEFT HIS STAMP ON THE WOLVERINE

Renn Brown, It is too bad that...The Wolverine shoots...After Le Miserables.  I...X-Pect The Wolverine, to be an...X-Cellent Wolverine X-Travaganza!

I think when Jackman refers to "the best script we've had so far", he's including the original X-Men trilogy as well.  That said, I suspect we'll be getting a good movie out of this.  I think/hope the shitty days of The Last Stand and Wolverine are behind us..............at least for now.

I don't know....Mangold has done some "good", but he's never come close to "great". And he's never shown an eye for the kind of action a film like this is going to need to really work.

Something pretty awful would have to happen for this to not automatically be better than X3 and Origins.  Mangold isn't the greatest director in the world, but he is a FAR better one than Brett Ratner.  As long as they snag a good DP, they'll be fine.

"It's the best script of the series... so we re-wrote 15% of it to suit James Mangold's 'vision.'"

Ain't never gonna be a good Wolverine movie, boys and girls. Hate to break it to you.

Gabe T, Why be so...Negative?  I found X-Men Origins Wolverine, to be an...X-Cellent, X-Men, X-Travaganza.  I think...The Wolverine will be an...X-Ceptional film too.  Sure, there will never be the...R Rated, Wolverine film set in...Madripoor, featuring the Claremont, Miller Storyline, nor Peter David's Run involving the Muramase Blade of the Yashida Clan, but The Wolverine should be a glorious...Run about Logan and co!

Bob, that doesn't count.

And Duke, come on... Wolverine felt like it was written and directed by goddamned contest winners. It's far too late in the game to trust Hugh Jackman's quality control.

Gabe T, We are simply, not going to agree about X-Men Origins Wolverine.  I think it is...X-Cellent, while you say it is...X-Orable!  I will take James Mangold over Darren Aronofsky any day of the week, as the director for...The Wolverine!

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Bob, that doesn't count.

And Duke, come on... Wolverine felt like it was written and directed by goddamned contest winners. It's far too late in the game to trust Hugh Jackman's quality control.

Why doesn't it count? Because its title isn't "Wolverine"? Wolverine was front and center in all three of the original X-Men films, and the plot of X2 almost entirely centered around him and his back story. I really don't think it's unreasonable to consider it a "Wolverine"film, or at the very least, "Wolverine and his pals, The X-men".
 

It's an X-Men film. Gabe was clearly refering to the solo Wolverine franchise. Jesus, pedants.

Also, whisper it, but X2 looks more pedestrian with each year that passes.

How am I being pedantic? I know it's an X-Men film, I was just defending Bob's point of view that it could be considered a Wolverine film.

Excluding X2 from the "movies specifically about Wolverine" canon is far more obtuse than arguing for it.

And X2 has aged exactly as any other summer blockbuster from 2003. Some effects are shoddy, some are great, while the structure and writing of it is just as decent as it ever was, and just as near-great when graded on the superhero curve.

Jesus Christ, even I got that Gabe was talking specifically about the solo Wolverine movies. I'm sure he'll amend that statement so that you guys can stop getting snotty about it.

As for X2...it's good. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just a little sterile, with so many characters that none - except perhaps Wolverine - feel anything other than briefly sketched. That hurts its longevity for me.

I wasn't intentionally being snotty, and if I came across that way, I apologize to Gabe.

Now as for the new Wolverine, am I misremembering Jackman talking up the script for the original Wolverine, as well? Nothing against the guy, but Wolverine is his bread and butter. This just seems like typical promotion to me. I'll wait until we get to see more of the movie before I develop any expectations one way or the other. After all, I thought X-Men: First Class would be crap, but that turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Jesus Christ, even I got that Gabe was talking specifically about the solo Wolverine movies.

I got that as well, but it doesn't change the fact that of the five X-Men films we have been given..................four of them have had Wolverine as the lead.  Beside, this whole thread is sprung from an article where Jackman states that this is the "best script we've had yet" and he is obviously including the X-Men trilogy within that statement.

Anyway, I'm actually inclined to believe Hugh this time.  The pedigree behind the project is a vast improvement over the last two Wolverine-centric films.  Jackman also doesn't HAVE to make this movie.  His contract is up and he could walk away from it if he wanted to.  He's making it because he wants to and because he's finally getting to do the Wolverine he's desired to from the get-go..............the Japan saga.  Will he do a third one after this?  Hard to say.  He's always spoke of making a trilogy of solo Wolverine films, but I think him continuing in the role depends solely on how well this one turns out and is received.  Fox will likely leave well enough alone this time (just like they did with First Class), as they don't want to torpedo one of their only franchises that is still a moneymaker.............especially when things are kind of up in the air at the moment when it comes to the future of the X-films in general.  They will want to keep Hugh happy, which is likely why they agreed to him bringing Darren Aronofsky on in the first place..........and pretty much allowed Jackman to pick his replacement (in the form of another director he had previously worked with).  I'm not expecting a classic, but I think we have a serious shot at getting a solid sequel.

I'm anticipating this one, fellas.........................especially after how well First Class turned out.  I have no doubt that Fox will resume making shitty X-Men films at some point, but it appears at the moment that they are taking the hands off approach once more and we are all the better for it.

There will never be a good Wolverine movie without Magneto. There, that's better.

Also, come on now - Jackman absolutely DOES need this movie. Unless a Real Steel franchise begins this weekend. Which I seriously fucking doubt.

Nah, he doesn't NEED it......but he does want it.  Jackman can always go back to Broadway and have a massively lucrative career if he ever gets bored with film or the good roles stop getting tossed his way.  He needs a hit if he wants to continue to stay on top in Hollywood, but he doesn't need to really continue his way of life.

S.D. Bob Plissken, Maybe Jackman can do both.  Replace James Mangold as director of...The Wolverine, with The...Assembler of The Avengers, Joss Whedon!  Let Joss, a fan of all things Musical, adapt...The Mikado, and direct a Wolverine Opera!  The story could still be set in Japan too!