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Young Guns (1988)

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Love this film. Much like Top Gun, this was watched by young me until my VHS copy fell apart. With the girlfriend the other day we decided to give it a spin, my first time in over ten years, and it still holds up. It suffers from a bad case of '80s, but the actors are all charming and the violence is top notch.

 

Emilio Estevez is especially engaging. He's an actor that has laid low recently, but here he's magnetic. He manages to make Billy a sympathetic character while lending him a degree of self-destruction and selfishness that adds nuance. It's even worse in the sequel, but he's willing to get his friends killed to accomplish his rather nebulous goal (I'm not sure if it's to the movie's benefit or not that Billy and John Tunstall aren't allowed much time to bond, but Billy takes the man's death worse than the rest), to avenge Tunstall's death. This goal, however, comes across as a rather blatant excuse for Billy to win fame and glory, and also to kill. We're given very little backstory for the character, but Estevez balances his bloodlust and need for attention well with a funny charm (and laugh!), and it's convincing that these young men would follow this ambitious man to their deaths with the promise of "pals" for life.

 

The rest of the cast, especially Keifer Sutherland, is great. All very funny but ruthless when need be. These were, after all, criminals. The only problem is that the movie, at times, ventures into portraying them like a rock (or boy) band. You know, the smart one, the pretty one, the ethnic one. It doesn't help that silly guitar riffs keep butting into the otherwise traditional western score.

 

I'll also give much credit to the pacing and sense of geography. This is a movie that balances action and character development well, taking moments to contemplate gallows humor and the big questions of life and death. These young men are barely old enough to have experienced life but they deal death casually. I especially like Doc, an academic type that is implied to have had a hard background and yet can't escape from the "whirlwind" that is Billy. He tries to act like he's not, but he's a killer like all the rest of them. They're all bad men, but there's an inevitability to their story. The action, meanwhile, is always clearly shot and I love how the bullet impacts are shown and the Regulators themselves don't come across as invincible as they're constantly being wounded (especially Dirty Steve's gangreney arm wound, ew).  

 

Great supporting cast all around. Terry O'Quinn, Jack Palance, there's a sense of world building to everyone on display, like you can buy these characters having active lives offscreen. 

 

An old favorite of mine.

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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Love this film. Much like Top Gun, this was watched by young me until my VHS copy fell apart.


 

You and me both Scriven. I even taped my favourite parts of both those films to C60s and used to listen on my walkman while I biked my early morning paper run and then learned the harmonica parts of the soundtrack when I started playing blues harp. Lots of fun quotes in the film too that me and my bros and pals would bring out. "Reap the whirlwind", of course, as well as "He ain't all there, is he" in that Dirty Steve drawl. "We're in the spirit world asshole" was probably the favourite but in the surf sometimes while waiting for waves we'd sometimes be hollering, "Hey Doc ... Doc ... did you see the size of that chicken?!?!"

 

I agree with pretty much everything you say up there (especially singling out BIlly's funny laugh and Sutherland's sympathetic performance) except I don't think Billy was necessarily "willing to get his friends killed" as much as he just recognised the risks involved in doing what had to be done. I don't think he took John Tunstall's death harder than the others did either, but I think the attachment was genuine and the anger and desire for revenge that came out of that were natural to a hot-headed kid like Billy. I think his desire for fame and respect mixed with his desire for revenge for a man he cared about but didn't outweigh it and his natural leadership qualities drew the boys to follow him.

 

But then you've watched it much more recently than me and I've never really watched it through mature eyes yet so take that for what it's worth.

post #3 of 14

Great, enjoyable film, but I always preferred the sequel.

- A fantastic score (not the Bon Jovi stuff but the actual score)

- William Peterson is lightyears better than Patrick Wayne

- Better death scenes for the principal characters

- Jenny Wright

 

Nothing tops Dirty Steve tripping out on the peyote, though.

post #4 of 14

Yeah, count me in the "Young Guns? Eh. Young Guns II? Now we're fucking talking" camp.

post #5 of 14

Count me in on Young Guns and the hell away from Young Guns 2 camp.

 

The quotes in this film are amazing. Fusco writes wonderful scripts and this one is no exception. It clearly shows how amoral and corrupt the world these young outlaws live in. Ironic these days I know.

 

The performances across the board are terrific. Brian Keith steals the show. Practically a murders row of great character actors here Stamp, Palance, Keith, O'Quinn. Even Wayne who I liked here but who was more impressive in Rustlers Rhapsody.

 

I'd say weirdly the only weak link in the film is Charlie Sheen woefully miscast but does his best dour and glum christian routine.

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Watching Young Guns in 2011, its amusing that Charlie Sheen character is the one who doesn't do peyote.

 

The shootout at the end is awesome!  Its as cool as its unrealistic.

 

"Johnny Crawford isn't with you anymore!"

post #7 of 14
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Dick appears disoriented and confused, aiming his rifle at fellow Regulators. I'm pretty sure he was tripping with them, he just handles it better.
post #8 of 14

I liked the sequel a lot too but it's another one I haven't seen in over a decade and I don't know if that was just dumb bias toward Geoff Murphy. And Christian Slater.

post #9 of 14

Dick didn't drink the water that had the peyote in it. He aimed because he was freaked out by them tripping.

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Dick didn't drink the water that had the peyote in it. He aimed because he was freaked out by them tripping.



Hmmm, you're right. The "Godless heathens" line doesn't make much sense otherwise. 

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Hmmm, you're right. The "Godless heathens" line doesn't make much sense otherwise. 



Another line I've quoted about five billion times over the years.

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I just posted this gem on the B-Action Movie Thread:

 

 

 

post #13 of 14

The look Jack Palance had on his face after getting shot in the head was priceless.

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- Jenny Wright

 

 

Ya know it's just occurred to me, but seeing YG2 in the cinema may just have kicked off my whole "readheaded curvacious amazon" obsession I have going on thanks to Miss Wright. Seriously, I remember a very special, deep stirring in my thirteen year old loins.

 

Long before there was Miss Hendricks, there was Jane Greathouse and that scene...

 

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