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I don't know if it's technically a horror film, but MARTHA MARCY MAY MARLENE is the creepiest, quietest, low key, slow burn of a movie I've seen in ages. It's a marvel of tone and mood. And it helps that it all could be real. A lot of films of this sort go crazy after the slow burn build up, but this one sustains the tension right to the last shot, which suggest many possible things.

 

The unnamed "M" that belongs with the title is MANSON. Martha manages to escape from a cult at the beginning of the film and ends up with her estranged sister at a lake house, although her sister doesn't know exactly what she's been through. There she tries to reintegrate with society. Things don't go well as the film has a subjective stream of consciousness quality as we travel back and forth between the cult and the lake house.

 

Elizabeth Olsen is great. She's a woman without an identity in the world. Someone who at the very least is suffering from PTSD from the abuses she's received. She might very well be paranoid schizophrenic. The movie revolves around her, often in silent closeup, as we try to make sense of her as she tries to discover herself anew. And, perhaps, forget the past. But, it's clear that the past isn't easy to wash away, despite a large lake right outside. It's a star making turn.

 

John Hawkes is also fantastic. He manages to evoke the charisma of Manson without falling into easy cliches. You can just tell though that he views the world and people as something to manipulate to his whims. He tears down and builds up his harem of women and followers according to his needs.

 

There's a trifle of class warfare in this film. Hawkes' cult lives simply off the land in a commune like existence. They talk about being self sufficient, even as they'll have no problem staging home invasions of the rich for things to steal. The lake house world is a world of total privilege. There are two "families" here, Hawkes' "family" and Martha's blood family, and you can sort of see the male patriarchs in charge of both world. Martha's brother-in-law uses his wealth and privilege prinicipally to rule his roost. There are scenes in both sections where Martha is drugged, for instance. I think this subtext is a little overstated, but it's not so much so that both world's are drawn as equivalents.

 

About the only elements I'd criticize are Martha's sister and brother-in-law, Sarah Paulson and Hugh Dancy. They're not bad, but they're not in the class of Olsen and Hawkes and they seem more like cut outs than fully realized characters.

 

Still, terrific, creepy movie. I'll want to see more from Olsen and the writer-director Sean Durkin in the future.

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One of my favorite movies of the year. And I'd be perfectly comfortable calling it a horror film, because it is damn horrific. It's probably tied with Contagion for scariest film this year, for me at least. It can basically be summed up by one of Martha's lines: "You ever have trouble telling if you're remembering something or you're dreaming?" (I'm paraphrasing). There's so many times where a scene begins, and you as a viewer are unsure of whether it's set in the present or past. It's brilliantly disorienting, and does a great job of letting you inside Martha's head.
 
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About the only elements I'd criticize are Martha's sister and brother-in-law, Sarah Paulson and Hugh Dancy. They're not bad, but they're not in the class of Olsen and Hawkes and they seem more like cut outs than fully realized characters.

 

I actually found Lucy to be an interesting character. I liked her mini-arc through the film, where her attempts to deal with her sister tie into her desire to have a baby, and her hope that helping Martha will prove her worthiness to be a mother. Other than that, I agree with you about pretty much everything you've said.

 

I also mentioned this in the "Abrupt Endings" thread, but it bears repeating: the last scene / shot of the film is terrific, and leaves you on the exact right note of paranoia/uncertainty.

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I also mentioned this in the "Abrupt Endings" thread, but it bears repeating: the last scene / shot of the film is terrific, and leaves you on the exact right note of paranoia/uncertainty.


I agree about the ending. It calls back to the dialogue about fear and how that makes us immediately present in the moment. Considering how Martha is absolutely not present through much of the movie it's an almost perfect choice of an ending.

 


Edited by EvilTwin - 10/23/11 at 4:43pm
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Wonderful film, maybe my favorite of the year. I loved how the framing left too much room, making you constantly think something was around every corner. A superbly effective way to create paranoia and tension.

 

I thought Paulson and Dancy were well-drawn characters, not the primary focus but they carried their weight. The ending was perfect.

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huge contrast

 

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Edited by Joseph P. Brenner - 1/14/12 at 10:45am
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I liked the second-to-last scene with her in the lake, with her head popping out of the water as the current washed by.  You could really visualize the parallel-dimension time-stream nonsense the cult members were rambling about and how nicely it correlates with feelings of paranoia and schizophrenia.  It seemed obvious that the cult-members on the other side of the lake could be a hallucination, and that the last scene with the traffic accident could be a coincidence, but I guess that was the point.  Reminded me of the first three seasons of LOST, how everybody was trying to make heads or tails of what was "real" and who was "good".

 

It's neat to think of this as a companion film to "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and "Virgin Suicides", to see what would happen to the somatic spooky pixie-teens if they survived killing themselves or being abducted by aliens, how they would end up in their early twenties, barely hanging on.  This may be the first great post great-recession film, where the lines of class warfare have been redrawn, with Martha as the middle class grasping for reality somewhere between iPhones and lake-houses and handguns and "sustainability". 

 

It's also great to see Hawkes starring in first-class small films years and years after Deadwood.  This was a nice update on Manson, Hawkes' cult member seemed like a reality-show host setting up poorly thought-up "challenges" while he sits back and keeps score - it was a nice touch that he was the only guy on the farm that was taking notes or had a stack of books, which would seem reasonable at a place with no computers, TV, or radio.

 

Hard to imagine that even with ten slots for best picture, neither this or Drive was nominated for best picture or any actor awards.  I feel like I might have outgrown Oscar night.

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So many great little details in this one.  Two of my favorites: The way it's implied that Patrick has all the younger guys who have no idea how to play guitar or sing act like fools in front of the girls before he seduces them with his musical ability.  The eerie scrawl of instructions on the wall over the phone, telling the cult members how to deal with callers.

 

The way the film deals with Martha's PTSD really speaks to the way this kind of trauma fucks with a person, as my wife can attest; she dealt with some pretty terrible stuff in her youth, and this film really hit home with her.  But this is primarily a horror film of sorts, and the movie is filled with terror and dread. In many ways I was reminded of early Polanski.

 

In terms of the class reading, I do not dismiss it, but I didn't get that out of it.  For me it was more a movie about the effects of trauma, and the corrosive danger of silence.  Not just in the extreme example of what happened to Martha in her time with the cult, but also the already strained relations that existed in her family before she fell in with Patrick's group.  Her relationship with her sister was distant, the death of at least one parent early on, living with an aunt who apparently was unloving.  The Virgin Suicides was mentioned above, and in a similar sense I was struck in this film about how sometimes just growing up as a young woman is difficult in a way that guys very seldom if ever have to experience.

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