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Now now, that's a touch intellectually dishonest as not every charity can help every animal cause at once. Whats PETA doing to help tiger poaching in India or to help the ravaged, virus-ridden turtles of north queensland after the extreme weather events they've gone through in the last year? I'm not trying to score points I'm just saying that sure, those other charities may not be looking at the specific issue PETA have taken upon themselves to tackle at this point in time, but how does that make one better than the other? What we can judge them on tho, are their methods in reaching their higher goals. Here's where I happily make a personal judgement call.

 

Once again, I'm not saying PETA don't do some good, I just think it's mixed in with a lot more self-defeating "bad" than you get from other animal charities that seem to be about promoting animal welfare first and themselves second.

 

It;s also interesting that for you're defense of them in this thread, you do happily admit to giving to plenty of animal charities - but NOT them. Any particular reason for that yt?


From the first part of your post, here's what I posted earlier in the thread:

 

 

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Mercy for Animals, WSPA, ASPCA, Conservation Fund, WWF, etc. etc. are all doing their best to advocate for animals but not because there's a profit in it.  And even with all that they do, species are disappearing off the planet due to poaching, farm factory practices are only getting more disgustingly evil, animals continue to be tortured for entertainment at zoos, circuses and aquatic amusement parks, and there are zero curbs or even checks on vivisection and other inhumane lab practices.  I think it takes all kinds to try to make a difference in this world because anything that tries to stand in the way of profit and dominance usually gets railroaded over.  PETA is one voice and I don't agree that it steals any oxygen from other organizations.

 

 

For the second, it's nothing against PETA but they get a lot of attention and have a lot of donors.  I'm not rich but I do like to give to try to help animals, so I have to choose my battles.  Right now, I'm freaked out that factory farms are essentially concentration camps for animals and people just look the other way, so I'm giving to Mercy for Animals.  I'm moved by what WSPa and WWF are doing to free captive bears and help endangered tigers and lions all over the world, so I give to them regularly.  ASPCA and local animal rescues help all the strays in L.A. so I donate to them.  Also, charities for the animals displaced in disaster zones.  Also Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace who work so hard to help whales, sharks, seals, etc.  Chimp, ape and elephant sanctuaries here in the U.S. 

 

I always feel like PETA's got a lot of support because of their media literacy -- their ability to publicize what they do and to organize benefits.  A lot of other charities don't have that.  But PETA is working against vivisection, and to tell you the truth, this story about the circus elephants moved me and I might have to put them on my year-end list.  If I was rich, I'd do a lot more. 

post #52 of 62
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I only just learned about the existence of shark finning.  Disgusting.  That's capitalism at its 'finest.'  Cut off the fins and dump the rest of the shark to leave more room to ship the expensive stuff used for soup and traditional cures in Asian countries.  Just sickening.



We had a huge victory in California to ban shark finning.  It's a start. 

post #53 of 62
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From the first part of your post, here's what I posted earlier in the thread:

 

 

 

For the second, it's nothing against PETA but they get a lot of attention and have a lot of donors.  I'm not rich but I do like to give to try to help animals, so I have to choose my battles.  Right now, I'm freaked out that factory farms are essentially concentration camps for animals and people just look the other way, so I'm giving to Mercy for Animals.  I'm moved by what WSPa and WWF are doing to free captive bears and help endangered tigers and lions all over the world, so I give to them regularly.  ASPCA and local animal rescues help all the strays in L.A. so I donate to them.  Also, charities for the animals displaced in disaster zones.  Also Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace who work so hard to help whales, sharks, seals, etc.  Chimp, ape and elephant sanctuaries here in the U.S. 

 

I always feel like PETA's got a lot of support because of their media literacy -- their ability to publicize what they do and to organize benefits.  A lot of other charities don't have that.  But PETA is working against vivisection, and to tell you the truth, this story about the circus elephants moved me and I might have to put them on my year-end list.  If I was rich, I'd do a lot more. 



So would you say you lean towards the ethos that if the cause is just enough any and all means of pursuing its goals are acceptable? 

post #54 of 62

Peta is a Left wing Democrat  Supporting bunch of Useful Idiots that is made up of  Drones that are so Stupid they dont Know how Stupid they are. They Liberate Tens of Thousands of "Pets" and put them into an Internment camp only to be Euthanised shortly after being Rescued . Less than 10% of their "refugees" are actually Liberated.  In Virginia in 2010 97% of Dogs and 88% of cats were KILLED by them and Dumped into Dumpsters. Look it up if you are one of the Idiot Drones that trust PBS, MSLSD, CNN and the Rest of our Beloved Dictators Private Reporters and Serfs. 

 

post #55 of 62

Christ here we go...

post #56 of 62

I hate PETA with a passion. Policies like not using animals to assist disabled people is ridiculous. What really irks me about PETA is that people rather blindly support them. "Oh, I just love animals so much, I have to support PETA."

 

The group has set the movement back many, many years as far as I'm concerned.

post #57 of 62
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So would you say you lean towards the ethos that if the cause is just enough any and all means of pursuing its goals are acceptable? 



Nice try, but no.



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I hate PETA with a passion. Policies like not using animals to assist disabled people is ridiculous. What really irks me about PETA is that people rather blindly support them. "Oh, I just love animals so much, I have to support PETA."

 

The group has set the movement back many, many years as far as I'm concerned.


 

I'm in no way a spokesperson for PETA, but on their website their stated policy is that they object to cruelty in training and breeding purebreds, not the concept of service animals. 

post #58 of 62

No, they're pretty clearly against seeing-eye dogs. I mean, they give their reasons - it's mean to the dog to take them away from their owner after they're too old to work as a guide dog, and people aren't allowed to pet them - but honestly, we're talking about dogs being in good homes, looked after, fed well, loved, and serving a great purpose. It's horseshit to object to that.

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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/horses-could-soon-slaughtered-meat-us-080907323.html

 

Horses could soon be slaughtered for meat in US

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No, they're pretty clearly against seeing-eye dogs. I mean, they give their reasons - it's mean to the dog to take them away from their owner after they're too old to work as a guide dog, and people aren't allowed to pet them - but honestly, we're talking about dogs being in good homes, looked after, fed well, loved, and serving a great purpose. It's horseshit to object to that.

 

What is your source?  I searched the faq and didn't find that they're against seeing-eye dogs.
 

 

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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/horses-could-soon-slaughtered-meat-us-080907323.html

 

Horses could soon be slaughtered for meat in US



This is sickening.  I'm glad California and Illinois have horse slaughter bans, but now that it's been deemed OK nationally, it's yet another opportunity for companies to profit off torture and inhumane butchery.  I recall signing a couple of petitions and sending letters about this but clearly the grassroots campaign bombed. 

post #61 of 62
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For the record: I am against endangered animals living out their days in circuses. I've been to one circus in my life when I was five,and I saw a white rhino there. I was told at the time it was one of a few dozen in the world. Still kind of haunted by the experience.

 

And shark finning? It's evil. Check out the ENDANGERED SPECIES WATCH THREAD, started by me. The very first post I used to highlight blue fin tuna sold in Japan. Their entire fishing industry is adrift from any sort of morality I can imagine

 

With all that said though... I still think PETA is doing more harm than good for animals

post #62 of 62
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What is your source?  I searched the faq and didn't find that they're against seeing-eye dogs.
 



Look under section "Working Dogs", the last sentence of the last paragraph: 

"Optimally, humans should be relied upon for support of the disabled rather than working dogs and other animals."

 

http://www.peta.org/issues/Companion-Animals/doing-whats-best-for-our-companion-animals.aspx

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